Dawnrazor Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: Nigel Farage's wife is a German. I don't buy this, 'because he or she is' example. I know plenty of bitter Orangemen with Catholic wifes. And I have no doubt Slave owners, you know what. Anyway, I don't know who the source is. Just an observation. And people are allowed to have an opinion without being racist. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 A very hard-hitting opinion piece illustrating how bad Bloomberg is, even in comparison to Trump, and indeed taking the Democratic Party to task for its ineffectual, corporatist, anti-working class positions over the past several decades. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/02/michael-bloomberg-nypd-mayor-presidential-campaign Bloomberg and Trump represent two different perversions of democracy. Trump is a corrupt, wannabe autocrat, flagrantly mixing his family business with the nation’s, a hollow, orange-stained vessel for the billionaire donors who shape our health care and tax policies. He rose to the presidency on a wave of wall-to-wall cable television coverage, his rallies carried live, the corporate networks ever thirstier for his carnival act. Bloomberg, through the blunt force of his unprecedented wealth, has bought his way into contention. Since the fall, he has plowed more than $300 million into his own campaign, with no end in sight. Some Democrats, broken by Trump, welcome as a savior such a titanic figure now playing for their team. Others, especially those in elected office, are far more transactional: witness the wave of local officials and members of Congress now endorsing him, no doubt hoping for the largesse of a campaign check or Bloomberg-funded Super PAC in due time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudgeUp Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) Does Sanders have any real chance of winning the Democratic nomination? Edited February 16, 2020 by BudgeUp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 12 hours ago, BudgeUp said: Does Sanders have any real chance of winning the Democratic nomination? At this point Sanders leads in polls in all the important places with big delegate counts: California, Florida, Illinois, Texas. In spite of the media narrative it would appear he is often second choice for many voters so if their preferred candidate were to drop out, he'd gain an equal or outsized share of some of their votes too. So yes, I think he does have a real chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Justin Z said: At this point Sanders leads in polls in all the important places with big delegate counts: California, Florida, Illinois, Texas. In spite of the media narrative it would appear he is often second choice for many voters so if their preferred candidate were to drop out, he'd gain an equal or outsized share of some of their votes too. So yes, I think he does have a real chance. All of the American msm are against him, plus the democratic party machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudgeUp Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Justin Z said: At this point Sanders leads in polls in all the important places with big delegate counts: California, Florida, Illinois, Texas. In spite of the media narrative it would appear he is often second choice for many voters so if their preferred candidate were to drop out, he'd gain an equal or outsized share of some of their votes too. So yes, I think he does have a real chance. Very interesting man to be fair. Anything I've seem of him he seems like a politician that actually ignores the big routes of funding in the US. Unless that's just an act? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Justin Z said: At this point Sanders leads in polls in all the important places with big delegate counts: California, Florida, Illinois, Texas. In spite of the media narrative it would appear he is often second choice for many voters so if their preferred candidate were to drop out, he'd gain an equal or outsized share of some of their votes too. So yes, I think he does have a real chance. Woe betide the first Republican nominee/President that manages to 'lose' Texas. That will be ******* hilarious to watch. And it's probably not that far away either to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, BudgeUp said: Very interesting man to be fair. Anything I've seem of him he seems like a politician that actually ignores the big routes of funding in the US. Unless that's just an act? It is definitely a point he's made of his campaign, that he has zero wealthy donors backing him, and whereby he makes his point about "the people"--funding it, on average, $22 at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 13/02/2020 at 15:18, Bridge of Djoum said: You need a quick history lesson. Do I? What are you watching ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 23:17, BudgeUp said: Does Sanders have any real chance of winning the Democratic nomination? Yes, but letting him run against Trump would be stupid. The media would all scream "COMMIE!" and that'd be that for the election. Huge Trump landslide if Bernie goes against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, Cade said: Yes, but letting him run against Trump would be stupid. The media would all scream "COMMIE!" and that'd be that for the election. Huge Trump landslide if Bernie goes against him. The polls don't suggest that? Pretty sure it was the same in the last election. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483642-poll-trump-edges-out-all-top-2020-democratic-candidates-except-sanders https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-poll-election-2020-biden-bloomberg-1483423 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html#polls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I wonder how a Democratic ticket of Saunders with VP Bloomberg would fare? It might be the Dems best option, but two elderly white guys is not representative of the Democratic party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Big win for Sanders in Nevada. Hard to see past him for the nomination unless a major health issue arises or several others drop out of the race soon (unlikely) - and even then he’d still be favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 Absolutely massive win for Biden in South Carolina leading into Super Tuesday in two days' time, with Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia involved. The media will hype this up and it will give him serious momentum, no doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 23/02/2020 at 11:46, Kalamazoo Jambo said: Big win for Sanders in Nevada. Hard to see past him for the nomination unless a major health issue arises or several others drop out of the race soon (unlikely) - and even then he’d still be favorite. Well, I was wrong about that. Steyer, Buttigieg and Klobuchar all dropping out means that it's game on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said: Well, I was wrong about that. Steyer, Buttigieg and Klobuchar all dropping out means that it's game on. I think Warren will be out in the next 48 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: I think Warren will be out in the next 48 hours. She's waiting till after Super Tuesday in order to split the progressive vote away from Bernie. Likewise, many of the "moderate" (read: centre-right) candidates have dropped out ahead of time, in order to give more numbers to Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Justin Z said: She's waiting till after Super Tuesday in order to split the progressive vote away from Bernie. Likewise, many of the "moderate" (read: centre-right) candidates have dropped out ahead of time, in order to give more numbers to Biden. Soon it will be Bernie, Biden, and Bloomberg. The geriatric Killer B's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Justin Z said: She's waiting till after Super Tuesday in order to split the progressive vote away from Bernie. Likewise, many of the "moderate" (read: centre-right) candidates have dropped out ahead of time, in order to give more numbers to Biden. Biden would almost certainly lose to Trump as an inferior Democratic version of Hilary Clinton. Are the Democrats that stupid that they would risk 4 more years of Trump just to stop Sanders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Costanza said: Biden would almost certainly lose to Trump as an inferior Democratic version of Hilary Clinton. Are the Democrats that stupid that they would risk 4 more years of Trump just to stop Sanders? They are entitled, out of touch and only care about preserving their establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, Justin Z said: They are entitled, out of touch and only care about preserving their establishment. Yup, very much so. Also if Biden is nominated, the Republicans will go to town on his son and Ukraine. The whole election will be on corruption and whilst Biden isn't as bad as Trump, it will hurt him more amongst his own base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I'm glad this guy isn't in the running! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Sorry to be thick (and if this is covered earlier) but if you ‘win’ the state is it winner-takes-all like the Electoral College? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, FWJ said: Sorry to be thick (and if this is covered earlier) but if you ‘win’ the state is it winner-takes-all like the Electoral College? No, you get a share of the delegates for a state depending on your share of the vote there, but you have to get above a certain watershed share (15%) of the vote to do so. As far as I know anyway, not being an expert on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Barack said: Good night for Biden. Extremely good, if he wins Texas. Warren needs to have a wee think, stop acting angry, and drop out. 3rd in your home State, and your campaign team releasing statements about "momentum." As one commentator said, an "unconscionable" response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 hours ago, redjambo said: No, you get a share of the delegates for a state depending on your share of the vote there, but you have to get above a certain watershed share (15%) of the vote to do so. As far as I know anyway, not being an expert on the subject. That's correct. It's different from the method used by the Republican party, which is winner take all, afaik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Trump will beat any candidate. He won the last time and his popularity has only strengthened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Good to see Warren down and out. First came across her in a double act with Hillary in the last campaign where the two danced around a stage in matching pantsuits. Ridiculous and vacuous display. Trump despite his idiocy nailed her with his Pocahontas gibe at her ancestry claims which alienated real Native Americans and many others.. Edited March 4, 2020 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Good to see Warren down and out. First came across her in a double act with Hillary in the last campaign where the two danced around a stage in matching pantsuits. Ridiculous and vacuous display. Trump despite his idiocy nailed her with his Pocahontas gibe at her ancestry claims which alienated real Native Americans and many others.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, hughesie27 said: Trump will beat any candidate. He won the last time and his popularity has only strengthened. His approval rating has been hovering around 43% for a couple of years. I think he might lose the popular vote again, but that doesn't mean he won't win the election, just like last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodger Mellie Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said: His approval rating has been hovering around 43% for a couple of years. I think he might lose the popular vote again, but that doesn't mean he won't win the election, just like last time. I think he'll beat the totally uninspiring Joe Biden, who sadly looks like he's going to be the Democratic nominee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rodger Mellie said: I think he'll beat the totally uninspiring Joe Biden, who sadly looks like he's going to be the Democratic nominee. Yep, but if Bernie won it would be a whitewash I think, the argument between Americanism against Socialism would only have one winner I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, hughesie27 said: Trump will beat any candidate. He won the last time and his popularity has only strengthened. No it hasn't. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Watching Newsnight. If this is intelligent political debate and Biden is touted as the credible opposition to Trump. Then fek me sideways because it's a joke. Bit depressing even after last night . Theres so many things that's wrong with this guy. Only slightly less corrupt than Trump and only slightly less creepy. But apparently the American bomber has been banging heads together. What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, jake said: Watching Newsnight. If this is intelligent political debate and Biden is touted as the credible opposition to Trump. Then fek me sideways because it's a joke. Bit depressing even after last night . Theres so many things that's wrong with this guy. Only slightly less corrupt than Trump and only slightly less creepy. But apparently the American bomber has been banging heads together. What a joke. It's incredible that the world's most powerful, diverse, richest country has to choose its next President from two elderly white men of limited intelligence, laughably inept, and with a background of dubious business dealings. Fek me sideways indeed. It's enough to make any sane person despair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I'm with the elderly "socialist" though ah ken it'll no happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 17 hours ago, jake said: Watching Newsnight. If this is intelligent political debate and Biden is touted as the credible opposition to Trump. Then fek me sideways because it's a joke. Bit depressing even after last night . Theres so many things that's wrong with this guy. Only slightly less corrupt than Trump and only slightly less creepy. But apparently the American bomber has been banging heads together. What a joke. You still talking shite about Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 17 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: It's incredible that the world's most powerful, diverse, richest country has to choose its next President from two elderly white men of limited intelligence, laughably inept, and with a background of dubious business dealings. Fek me sideways indeed. It's enough to make any sane person despair. It's the parody of so called in depth analysis on newsnight. I'm giving up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: You still talking shite about Obama. What shite? His record breaking bombing and still winning the noble peace prize is the shite. As is the farce that sees a total fud like Trump hold office as is the farce that sees Biden as some sort of credible progressive. As is the farce of the political questioning of so called high brow newsnight. Slag me off all you want . Its all a load of utter shite. You buy into it if you want . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 23 hours ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: You still talking shite about Obama. 11 minutes ago, jake said: What shite? His record breaking bombing and still winning the noble peace prize is the shite. As is the farce that sees a total fud like Trump hold office as is the farce that sees Biden as some sort of credible progressive. As is the farce of the political questioning of so called high brow newsnight. Slag me off all you want . Its all a load of utter shite. You buy into it if you want . Indeed. I know you don't like it when I call you "accidentally right", ri, but this is exactly the reason why. Not a word jake just wrote here is wrong. Obama did **** all he said he was going to do, to get elected in 2008, and accordingly didn't get my vote in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Justin Z said: Indeed. I know you don't like it when I call you "accidentally right", ri, but this is exactly the reason why. Not a word jake just wrote here is wrong. Obama did **** all he said he was going to do, to get elected in 2008, and accordingly didn't get my vote in 2012. I like it. I'm not against your thinking. I just apply it fear or favour. FWIW I wish we all had the same skin colour. Because that's truly where I come from. I will quit when ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Justin Z said: Indeed. I know you don't like it when I call you "accidentally right", ri, but this is exactly the reason why. Not a word jake just wrote here is wrong. Obama did **** all he said he was going to do, to get elected in 2008, and accordingly didn't get my vote in 2012. Who does, JZ? But hey let's focus on Obama the bomber. Not his fellow President Bombers who caused the mess. 👍 As for your accidentally, right pish, you have missed my point again. As usual but hey, that's oot Justin, the authority of feck all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 9 hours ago, jake said: What shite? His record breaking bombing and still winning the noble peace prize is the shite. As is the farce that sees a total fud like Trump hold office as is the farce that sees Biden as some sort of credible progressive. As is the farce of the political questioning of so called high brow newsnight. Slag me off all you want . Its all a load of utter shite. You buy into it if you want . No, Jake, there's only one reason. As for your list. Many western leader has done all these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 F. D. R where is he in the bomber top ten? Anyway, C'mon Bernie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Who does, JZ? But hey let's focus on Obama the bomber. Not his fellow President Bombers who caused the mess. 👍 As for your accidentally, right pish, you have missed my point again. As usual but hey, that's oot Justin, the authority of feck all. No one is "focusing" on Obama here. Your one-liner post certainly didn't have a point, so it will have been hard for me to miss it, eh? In your subsequent post, you claim many western "leader" have done the same as Obama. You're right. Ignoring the fact that Obama gets a pass for it even after he campaigned against doing the exact things he ended up doing--that is missing the point. Anyway, c'mon Bernie indeed, someone who voted against the Iraq war and against the Patriot Act and who isn't a "centrist" (by American standards) in progressive clothing like Obama was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Justin Z said: No one is "focusing" on Obama here. Your one-liner post certainly didn't have a point, so it will have been hard for me to miss it, eh? In your subsequent post, you claim many western "leader" have done the same as Obama. You're right. Ignoring the fact that Obama gets a pass for it even after he campaigned against doing the exact things he ended up doing--that is missing the point. Anyway, c'mon Bernie indeed, someone who voted against the Iraq war and against the Patriot Act and who isn't a "centrist" (by American standards) in progressive clothing like Obama was. No he does not. But a certain poster focuses on him, relentlessly, without perspective. Because!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 But yes, C'mon Bernie. How's things anyway, JZ? Any better luck with immigration? Good luck, BTW. And keep up the sanctimonious patronisation of Jkb. 👍 😃 Only pulling yer leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: No he does not. But a certain poster focuses on him, relentlessly, without perspective. Because!? Ah, indeed. So responding without perspective is the answer. Not that it's unfair to say he does it mostly without perspective--quite right. But again, that's the entire point of what I've been trying to say to you. When you respond in kind it makes your own position look weaker. And well, I don't want that for independence--so I hold the likes of you to a higher standard. 23 minutes ago, ri Alban said: But yes, C'mon Bernie. How's things anyway, JZ? Any better luck with immigration? Good luck, BTW. And keep up the sanctimonious patronisation of Jkb. 👍 😃 Only pulling yer leg. I do my best. Nah, I'm getting chucked out Monday unfortunately. I'll be back, but not as a productive, working member of the society I want to be a part of. The fab Tory immigration policy hard at work. Thankfully we live in the internet era and I can do lots of work on American contracts from anywhere in the world. Side note rant--that's the thing. Using xenophobia as a political tool as the Tories have to secure power, the result is never a laser-sighted sniper rifle picking off "undesirables" the way they claim--it's a shotgun. They didn't aim it at me, but I've been caught in the blast anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 Now that it's down to Bernie and Biden, a big aspect of Bernie continuing to increase his appeal to minority voters is by hammering Biden for supporting policies like the absolutely horrific 1994 Crime Bill, which he even went out of his way to stamp his name onto. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/ The criminal justice system in the United States is racist because of things like the Crime Bill. And yet on name recognition and short memory alone he got greater than 60% of the Black vote in South Carolina, as one example. It's an absolutely vital piece of the puzzle and I'm hopeful the Sanders campaign has a way to make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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