redjambo Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Today's trend stats. A bit of a stutter today in the recent steady decline in the overall case rate. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 28 Jul 27 Jul 26 Jul 25 Jul 24 Jul ... 1 May Scotland 158 159 -1 166 176 186 194 204 ... 22 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 223 230 -7 238 192 162 147 143 ... 0 West Dunbartonshire 4 223 229 -6 232 237 238 238 229 ... 28 Inverclyde 4 219 186 +33 186 197 204 199 209 ... 15 North Lanarkshire 4 206 206 0 217 226 238 254 260 ... 40 South Lanarkshire 4 202 194 +8 189 180 189 192 199 ... 18 Clackmannanshire 4 199 193 +6 189 187 183 189 193 ... 14 East Lothian 4 192 196 -4 216 216 228 245 255 ... 5 Glasgow City 4 185 187 -2 206 224 229 233 244 ... 33 West Lothian 4 181 174 +7 187 188 194 200 223 ... 26 Midlothian 4 176 176 0 180 211 224 257 277 ... 10 North Ayrshire 4 174 157 +17 164 156 154 142 127 ... 17 Dundee City 4 165 165 0 170 182 201 202 238 ... 13 Fife 4 164 162 +2 167 171 188 197 206 ... 32 Stirling 4 158 158 0 171 182 169 173 164 ... 11 Edinburgh City 4 153 159 -6 173 183 203 223 239 ... 27 Falkirk 3 146 149 -3 152 165 168 186 189 ... 23 Aberdeen City 3 144 141 +3 148 152 165 172 178 ... 13 South Ayrshire 3 139 130 +9 134 144 151 169 178 ... 25 Dumfries & Galloway 3 138 133 +5 121 130 146 148 146 ... 19 East Ayrshire 3 137 141 -4 156 164 172 185 189 ... 45 Renfrewshire 3 137 147 -10 152 163 166 178 191 ... 20 Scottish Borders 3 133 141 -8 144 150 162 155 148 ... 6 Highland 3 123 130 -7 121 133 137 138 149 ... 9 East Renfrewshire 3 120 136 -16 148 160 182 207 236 ... 24 Argyll & Bute 3 114 114 0 130 150 176 177 165 ... 7 Angus 3 112 116 -4 119 133 157 161 178 ... 7 Moray 3 109 121 -12 129 139 137 135 141 ... 65 East Dunbartonshire 3 108 106 +2 111 130 137 169 190 ... 51 Perth & Kinross 3 104 104 0 116 132 154 167 182 ... 22 Shetland Islands 3 96 122 -26 122 171 171 153 157 ... 0 Aberdeenshire 3 85 94 -9 99 108 113 116 121 ... 8 Orkney Islands 2 36 40 -4 49 54 49 54 36 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 28 Jul 27 Jul 26 Jul 25 Jul 24 Jul ... 1 May Tests 23458 23430 +28 23373 23829 23612 23901 24079 ... 18484 Cases 1232 1239 -7 1300 1372 1452 1518 1589 ... 171 Positivity rate % 5.8 5.9 -0.1 6.2 6.4 6.8 7.0 7.3 ... 1.1 Deaths 6.6 6.6 0.0 7.9 7.6 8.4 8.4 8.4 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 19016 18891 +125 18716 18581 18576 19217 19217 ... 45346 1st Dose 2179 2213 -34 2261 2318 2382 3012 3551 ... 6677 2nd Dose 16837 16678 +159 16455 16263 16194 16205 15666 ... 38669 All in hospital 477 482 -5 481 489 497 506 510 ... 81 Non-ICU 415 420 -5 420 429 440 451 458 ... 70 ICU 62 62 0 61 60 57 55 52 ... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, redjambo said: Today's trend stats. A bit of a stutter today in the recent steady decline in the overall case rate. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area WHO Today Yesterday 28 Jul 27 Jul 26 Jul 25 Jul 24 Jul ... 1 May Scotland 158 159 -1 166 176 186 194 204 ... 22 Na h-Eileanan Siar 4 223 230 -7 238 192 162 147 143 ... 0 West Dunbartonshire 4 223 229 -6 232 237 238 238 229 ... 28 Inverclyde 4 219 186 +33 186 197 204 199 209 ... 15 North Lanarkshire 4 206 206 0 217 226 238 254 260 ... 40 South Lanarkshire 4 202 194 +8 189 180 189 192 199 ... 18 Clackmannanshire 4 199 193 +6 189 187 183 189 193 ... 14 East Lothian 4 192 196 -4 216 216 228 245 255 ... 5 Glasgow City 4 185 187 -2 206 224 229 233 244 ... 33 West Lothian 4 181 174 +7 187 188 194 200 223 ... 26 Midlothian 4 176 176 0 180 211 224 257 277 ... 10 North Ayrshire 4 174 157 +17 164 156 154 142 127 ... 17 Dundee City 4 165 165 0 170 182 201 202 238 ... 13 Fife 4 164 162 +2 167 171 188 197 206 ... 32 Stirling 4 158 158 0 171 182 169 173 164 ... 11 Edinburgh City 4 153 159 -6 173 183 203 223 239 ... 27 Falkirk 3 146 149 -3 152 165 168 186 189 ... 23 Aberdeen City 3 144 141 +3 148 152 165 172 178 ... 13 South Ayrshire 3 139 130 +9 134 144 151 169 178 ... 25 Dumfries & Galloway 3 138 133 +5 121 130 146 148 146 ... 19 East Ayrshire 3 137 141 -4 156 164 172 185 189 ... 45 Renfrewshire 3 137 147 -10 152 163 166 178 191 ... 20 Scottish Borders 3 133 141 -8 144 150 162 155 148 ... 6 Highland 3 123 130 -7 121 133 137 138 149 ... 9 East Renfrewshire 3 120 136 -16 148 160 182 207 236 ... 24 Argyll & Bute 3 114 114 0 130 150 176 177 165 ... 7 Angus 3 112 116 -4 119 133 157 161 178 ... 7 Moray 3 109 121 -12 129 139 137 135 141 ... 65 East Dunbartonshire 3 108 106 +2 111 130 137 169 190 ... 51 Perth & Kinross 3 104 104 0 116 132 154 167 182 ... 22 Shetland Islands 3 96 122 -26 122 171 171 153 157 ... 0 Aberdeenshire 3 85 94 -9 99 108 113 116 121 ... 8 Orkney Islands 2 36 40 -4 49 54 49 54 36 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 28 Jul 27 Jul 26 Jul 25 Jul 24 Jul ... 1 May Tests 23458 23430 +28 23373 23829 23612 23901 24079 ... 18484 Cases 1232 1239 -7 1300 1372 1452 1518 1589 ... 171 Positivity rate % 5.8 5.9 -0.1 6.2 6.4 6.8 7.0 7.3 ... 1.1 Deaths 6.6 6.6 0.0 7.9 7.6 8.4 8.4 8.4 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 19016 18891 +125 18716 18581 18576 19217 19217 ... 45346 1st Dose 2179 2213 -34 2261 2318 2382 3012 3551 ... 6677 2nd Dose 16837 16678 +159 16455 16263 16194 16205 15666 ... 38669 All in hospital 477 482 -5 481 489 497 506 510 ... 81 Non-ICU 415 420 -5 420 429 440 451 458 ... 70 ICU 62 62 0 61 60 57 55 52 ... 11 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 hours ago, fancy a brew said: After quite a bit back and forth I have to admit I'm not entirely sure what general point you're making, any chance could you spell it out? it was more a question in that do these tests provide uniform results in all scenarios or can they be affected by various cogs in the process eg who made them - what the guidance was on the certain batches of tests - who does the testing - who is being tested - and maybe some other stuff and if it’s possible to get a false positive can the rate of false positives be affected by any of the cogs in the process some of which I’ve listed above as I said it was a general point / question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deke Thornton said: So the SG strategy of relying on a piece of paper turns out to be another master stroke! They are working on an app too. Edited July 30, 2021 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 NHS England now starting to report more detailed stats about those in hospital with Covid. 23% of those patients are thought to have been admitted initially for non-Covid conditions. It's long overdue that the figures are reported in a more detailed way, in order to provide a more accurate picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: NHS England now starting to report more detailed stats about those in hospital with Covid. 23% of those patients are thought to have been admitted initially for non-Covid conditions. It's long overdue that the figures are reported in a more detailed way, in order to provide a more accurate picture. Around about a quarter of the cases are people catching covid whilst being treated in hospital for something else, If I've got what your saying right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Around about a quarter of the cases are people catching covid whilst being treated in hospital for something else, If I've got what your saying right. Not necessarily. You might come in with something else and have Covid but are just unaware you have it - it's only when they routinely test you as an incoming patient that they discover you have Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: Not necessarily. You might come in with something else and have Covid but are just unaware you have it - it's only when they routinely test you as an incoming patient that they discover you have Covid. That undoubtedly happens. However even if there were was only 10% of hospital aquired infections, that's still thousands of people a day UK wide, being infected who may not have caught covid otherwise. Plus with them being in hospital, then they are probably Ill and probably already in a weaked state to start with, then they catch covid. I think this would account for quite a few deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: NHS England now starting to report more detailed stats about those in hospital with Covid. 23% of those patients are thought to have been admitted initially for non-Covid conditions. It's long overdue that the figures are reported in a more detailed way, in order to provide a more accurate picture. as further data is eventually released the outcomes of those poor people might become clearer it would not be an unreasonable assumption that within the percentage a higher number of them (compared to the general population) will have unfortunately been more vulnerable to a bad outcome given that they were in/attending hospital the sort of things you have been bringing to the discussion for some time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 5 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: it was more a question in that do these tests provide uniform results in all scenarios or can they be affected by various cogs in the process eg who made them - what the guidance was on the certain batches of tests - who does the testing - who is being tested - and maybe some other stuff and if it’s possible to get a false positive can the rate of false positives be affected by any of the cogs in the process some of which I’ve listed above as I said it was a general point / question A lot of variables there, but there will be quality controls to flag up discrepancies between batches, personnel, labs, etc. Last year around this time positive cases dropped to very low levels, so unless some other variable in the testing changed it's hard for me to see how that could happen if there are false positives inherent in the system. Hospitalisations and deaths seemed to have tracked the path of positive cases as expected, which would point to lab results being accurate. New Zealand have been testing around 6000/day and getting 2 or 3 positives, so at the very least you'd hope they're sharing their secrets with other countries, or maybe they don't have a secret and the tests and protocols they use are similar to elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 23 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: Comparison on uptake between BAME and white people Covid: BAME inequalities remain in vaccine uptake - BBC News Sorry, no stats for gammon What is the definition of gammon? Surely not based on skin colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, fancy a brew said: A lot of variables there, but there will be quality controls to flag up discrepancies between batches, personnel, labs, etc. Last year around this time positive cases dropped to very low levels, so unless some other variable in the testing changed it's hard for me to see how that could happen if there are false positives inherent in the system. Hospitalisations and deaths seemed to have tracked the path of positive cases as expected, which would point to lab results being accurate. New Zealand have been testing around 6000/day and getting 2 or 3 positives, so at the very least you'd hope they're sharing their secrets with other countries, or maybe they don't have a secret and the tests and protocols they use are similar to elsewhere. the stuff on nz or hospitalisation etc I’m not disputing (or agreeing with) my general point was to ask the question of the tests in a general sense it appears the risk of the test being less accurate can change depending on the circumstances and mitigating processes may be required to improve confidence in the results (as well as usual quality control stuff) - just for clarity I’m not suggesting these risks are not being mitigated against just that they do exist and that the risk isn’t uniform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Also dislike this lumping of all who are not "white" into the BAME category. There are huge differences between different groups in both categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 From observation in London I would say mask wearing during the pandemic (and probably a close match to vaccination take up) would put those of Japanese/Chinese or other South East Asians origin at the top. Those by origin from the Indian sub continent next. And here I will get in trouble blacks of carribbean origin last. But that is simplistic. In all but the top tier of the Chinese or Japanese age is the biggest factor the old being far more compliant than the young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: From observation in London I would say mask wearing during the pandemic (and probably a close match to vaccination take up) would put those of Japanese/Chinese or other South East Asians origin at the top. Those by origin from the Indian sub continent next. And here I will get in trouble blacks of carribbean origin last. But that is simplistic. In all but the top tier of the Chinese or Japanese age is the biggest factor the old being far more compliant than the young. any anecdotal stats on the gammon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: any anecdotal stats on the gammon? Define gammon and I will try to answer. Edited July 30, 2021 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: any anecdotal stats on the gammon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Define gammon and I will try to answer. not sure the tighter definition but I’m guessing there’s a lower age of about mid 40s and and British non-bame slightly gammon-ish complexion would be 3 of the parameters - there’s a few experts on here can probably tighten-up the definition but maybe provisional stats on those 3 parameters ? cheers FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 4 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: as further data is eventually released the outcomes of those poor people might become clearer it would not be an unreasonable assumption that within the percentage a higher number of them (compared to the general population) will have unfortunately been more vulnerable to a bad outcome given that they were in/attending hospital the sort of things you have been bringing to the discussion for some time Yes, completely agree MMM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 10 hours ago, Francis Albert said: What is the definition of gammon? Surely not based on skin colour. I think it is. Ironically, the people who describe others as gammon are usually the ones who are raging about everything from Tories to brexit. Probably a tad more gammon faced than the gammons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 42 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I think it is. Ironically, the people who describe others as gammon are usually the ones who are raging about everything from Tories to brexit. Probably a tad more gammon faced than the gammons Alll white people aren't gammon any more than all white women are Karens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, jonesy said: I think we all know that the best way to foster an inclusive and supportive society is to divide and sub-divide people by skin colour/ethnicity and foster self-identification through such labels. This woke generation really know their/zir/xyr/per shizzle. My pronouns are: gammon/pineapple 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Can you choose any pronouns or only ones that have been deemed acceptable? I was thinking of using I/Me for maximum confusion. It's also entirely gender neutral which is progressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, jonesy said: In the subjective world of gender self-identification, you can and should be able to use any utterance you wish to address yourself. The breaking down of traditional norms, roles and identities is here and a part of our modern society. And by logical extension, other people should be perfectly entitled to use whatever pronouns they deem fit to address anyone else. If one person gets to go through the looking glass, we're all coming along for the ride. Glorious, I/Me it is if anyone tried to force me to share what mine are. Some are quite militant on social media about everyone displaying them. (I should add I'm not against people using different pronouns in any way shape or form, I'm quite pro gender-neutrality personally. I'm a he/him but what that means is different for every he/him imo...thinking it's not is just boxing people up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 45 minutes ago, Smithee said: Alll white people aren't gammon any more than all white women are Karens you’ll be saying you’ve got a lot of gammon friends next how was that definition i had a stab at anything key to add to the 3 parameters (assuming they were ok) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: you’ll be saying you’ve got a lot of gammon friends next how was that definition i had a stab at anything key to add to the 3 parameters (assuming they were ok) ? 😂😂 "My brother is a gammon I'll have you know" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Taffin said: 😂😂 "My brother is a gammon I'll have you know" him and his type .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 12 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: the stuff on nz or hospitalisation etc I’m not disputing (or agreeing with) my general point was to ask the question of the tests in a general sense it appears the risk of the test being less accurate can change depending on the circumstances and mitigating processes may be required to improve confidence in the results (as well as usual quality control stuff) - just for clarity I’m not suggesting these risks are not being mitigated against just that they do exist and that the risk isn’t uniform Do you lack confidence in the results? There's a lot of ifs, buts and maybes in your posts, but if you don't have confidence in the results it would be good to know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, jonesy said: That's cool, but I reserve the right to identify you as a parsnip. Urgghhh, I hate parsnips as well. Probably apt in that case 😭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 minute ago, fancy a brew said: Do you lack confidence in the results? There's a lot of ifs, buts and maybes in your posts, but if you don't have confidence in the results it would be good to know why. it’s a general point mate which gives back to 2005 a theoretical point I’m not that bothered about the confidence in the results - given mitigating measures and judgement are required at riskier times it wouldn’t wholly surprise me if they weren’t as accurate as they might be if those measures weren’t required as i said the practicality of the results be it in uk japan or nz - not bothered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: it’s a general point mate which gives back to 2005 a theoretical point I’m not that bothered about the confidence in the results - given mitigating measures and judgement are required at riskier times it wouldn’t wholly surprise me if they weren’t as accurate as they might be if those measures weren’t required as i said the practicality of the results be it in uk japan or nz - not bothered I see, making a 'general' point means you don't have to bother with pesky details like evidence, got it now thanks. Edited July 31, 2021 by fancy a brew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, fancy a brew said: I see, making a 'general' point means you don't have to bother with pesky details like evidence, got it now thanks. disappointing post mate i would have maybe added predictable too to other posters but didn’t really expect it here I understand people’s frustrations with back to 2005 - a lot of us get frustrated at each other too he raised a point which he maybe didn’t fully understand (it’s complex) and got confused with the detail (think you said you got confused at one point too) so rather than just dismiss him/the point and continually focus on his confusion or the detail it could have been better addressed (imo) along the lines of - 2005 ur getting confused with the detail here but I think I know the point ur getting at these tests do not have uniform risk and the probability of a false positive can be increased at certain times however this is recognised and additional processes are advised to be put in place to mitigate against the extra risk of additional inaccurate tests in order that we can be confident about the results I assume you think these mitigating measures are deliberately being ignored in order to maximise positive results do you have any evidence for this? i realise saying something like - the number of cycles doesn’t affect the results is quicker (and in some folks eyes does the same job) also realise we can all do better at times here and elsewhere see you on the terrace later hopefully trying to downplay bobs glorious victory by focussing on celtics deficiencies and questioning whether it’s maybe jig that’s the brains behind the operation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartleyLegend3 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 I'm beginning to think this thread should be joined with Tory lies.. If anyone has been following this thread, the video below won't be news to you. But I'd encourage you to share it with others. I've shown posts by Peter Stefanovic and videos by led by donkey's to friend, family and work mates. The look of shock and disgust mesmerising. Obviously for unionist tory voters is embarrassingly shameful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 2 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: you’ll be saying you’ve got a lot of gammon friends next how was that definition i had a stab at anything key to add to the 3 parameters (assuming they were ok) ? Don't bloody think so! And no idea what you're talking about. TBQH I wasn't sure what you were talking about the other day either and, no offence, but I'm not here to validate anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 35 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: disappointing post mate i would have maybe added predictable too to other posters but didn’t really expect it here I understand people’s frustrations with back to 2005 - a lot of us get frustrated at each other too he raised a point which he maybe didn’t fully understand (it’s complex) and got confused with the detail (think you said you got confused at one point too) so rather than just dismiss him/the point and continually focus on his confusion or the detail it could have been better addressed (imo) along the lines of - 2005 ur getting confused with the detail here but I think I know the point ur getting at these tests do not have uniform risk and the probability of a false positive can be increased at certain times however this is recognised and additional processes are advised to be put in place to mitigate against the extra risk of additional inaccurate tests in order that we can be confident about the results I assume you think these mitigating measures are deliberately being ignored in order to maximise positive results do you have any evidence for this? i realise saying something like - the number of cycles doesn’t affect the results is quicker (and in some folks eyes does the same job) also realise we can all do better at times here and elsewhere I have no problem admitting I owe all my knowledge of the PCR tests to 10 minutes on Google, but then again I'm not claiming the results are wrong (or they're not as accurate as they might be, or we need to raise confidence in them). Provide the evidence or don't, your choice. But if you fly with the crows... 37 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: see you on the terrace later hopefully trying to downplay bobs glorious victory by focussing on celtics deficiencies and questioning whether it’s maybe jig that’s the brains behind the operation Amen to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 23 minutes ago, Smithee said: 2 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: you’ll be saying you’ve got a lot of gammon friends next Expand Don't bloody think so! And folk have a go at i8's narrow social group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Just about sums it up. 👇 "ME: CDC, should I get a poke if I already had Covid? CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.” ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last? CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.” ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity? CDC: … ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades? CDC: Yes. NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.” ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity? CDC: Possibly. You never know. ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick? BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people. ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke? CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them. ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases? CDC: That’s right. ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me? CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death. ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death. CDC: We don’t know “exactly.” ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is? CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question. ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it? CDC: Yes, for the collective. ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked? CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die. ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else? CDC: Yes. ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else? CDC: Yes. ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke? CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk. ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating? CDC: No. ME: So it can still mutate in poked people? CDC: Yes. ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke? CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people. ME: But what KIND of threat?? CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die. ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said: And folk have a go at i8's narrow social group. Nah, they have a go at him for being prejudiced toward sexual minorities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 37 minutes ago, Smithee said: Nah, they have a go at him for being prejudiced toward sexual minorities And that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Scottish numbers: 31 July 2021 Summary 1,018 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-438; down from 1,307 a week ago] 22,725 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-3,265] 4.9% of these were positive [-1.3%] 9 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [+3] 64 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+4] 445 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-29] 4,009,611 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,180,160 have received their second dose [+2,034; +17,498] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 The SG haven't updated their local authority figures yet (perhaps the person in charge is watching the F1 qualifying or the Olympic Games ), so the trend stats will be later than usual today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: Just about sums it up. 👇 "ME: CDC, should I get a poke if I already had Covid? CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.” ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last? CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.” ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity? CDC: … ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades? CDC: Yes. NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.” ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity? CDC: Possibly. You never know. ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick? BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people. ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke? CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them. ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases? CDC: That’s right. ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me? CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death. ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death. CDC: We don’t know “exactly.” ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is? CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question. ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it? CDC: Yes, for the collective. ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked? CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die. ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else? CDC: Yes. ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else? CDC: Yes. ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke? CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk. ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating? CDC: No. ME: So it can still mutate in poked people? CDC: Yes. ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke? CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people. ME: But what KIND of threat?? CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die. ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??" Well summed up, James. There are numerous contradictions and myths about all things Covid. We've heard it mutates - as if we didn’t know viruses mutate - when it comes up against a population with high immunity and is struggling to find a host. Then we are told it also mutates when it "rampages" or "rips" through the population 😮. We keep hearing about variants evading the vaccine despite knowing from those who produced the vaccine that it aint true. In reality, the UK govt want us to spend our money on staycations so they are concocting fears about tired old SA variants, in order to deter travellers going overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 38 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: And that. I will wear my Displays-Prejudice-Toward-Salted-Pork-Products badge with pride though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: Just about sums it up. 👇 "ME: CDC, should I get a poke if I already had Covid? CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.” ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last? CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.” ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity? CDC: … ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades? CDC: Yes. NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.” ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity? CDC: Possibly. You never know. ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick? BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people. ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke? CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them. ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases? CDC: That’s right. ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me? CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death. ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death. CDC: We don’t know “exactly.” ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is? CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question. ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it? CDC: Yes, for the collective. ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked? CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die. ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else? CDC: Yes. ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else? CDC: Yes. ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke? CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk. ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating? CDC: No. ME: So it can still mutate in poked people? CDC: Yes. ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke? CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people. ME: But what KIND of threat?? CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die. ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??" Yes, another simple copy and paste job from Facebook to save you from critical thinking - that most definitely sums you up 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Well summed up, James. There are numerous contradictions and myths about all things Covid. We've heard it mutates - as if we didn’t know viruses mutate - when it comes up against a population with high immunity and is struggling to find a host. Then we are told it also mutates when it "rampages" or "rips" through the population 😮. We keep hearing about variants evading the vaccine despite knowing from those who produced the vaccine that it aint true. In reality, the UK govt want us to spend our money on staycations so they are concocting fears about tired old SA variants, in order to deter travellers going overseas. 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, kila said: Yes, another simple copy and paste job from Facebook to save you from critical thinking - that most definitely sums you up 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 24 minutes ago, kila said: Yes, another simple copy and paste job from Facebook to save you from critical thinking - that most definitely sums you up 👍 Boo hoo someone who doesnt want facts to get in his way of critical thinking it seems . Must be horrible when your narrative is shredded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, jonesy said: In our own context, you just have to look at in whose interest it is to keep the fears from early 2020 going as long as possible. In London, Johnson would have loved to have been seen as some kind of Churchillian saviour. When it became apparent to him that he was unable to be that kind of leader, he moved quickly to open things up. In Edinburgh, Sturgeon has never been one to shy away from modifying the behaviour of 'the Scottish people' (aka the ones who need to be saved), and so deliberately made Level 0 (what most folk would think of as a return to normality) contain some restrictions (i.e. not normal) in order to nudge her way through 2021 as she so clearly enjoyed doing in 2020. In the US, there seems to be a real ding dong battle between the pro and anti mask/vaxx proponents. I dare say some in the 'pro' camp don't mind winding up the 'anti' lot with continued restrictions for a wee while. Yes, there are definitely some "trojan horse" agendas being driven through, like the climate change brigade introducing cycle lanes, the deliberate policy to place as many ridiculous obstacles as possible in the way of international travel, from over priced PCR tests to hotel quarantines. Then we have the vested interests nudging us towards a cashless society, the numerous Apps that track our everyday movements etc etc. Regarding mask compliance though, the latest ONS survey of population behaviour found mask wearing to be very slightly higher in England, since Freedom Day, than in Scotland, where we are mandated and hectored into compliance. Despite the usual suspects criticising Johnson's plans, the people CAN be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: Boo hoo someone who doesnt want facts to get in his way of critical thinking it seems . Must be horrible when your narrative is shredded You're essentially saying the vaccine is a waste of time and people shouldn't bother getting it. Only you're using some American's social media post to convey your viewpoint... Then you hide behind silly gifs and memes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Just now, kila said: You're essentially saying the vaccine is a waste of time and people shouldn't bother getting it. Only you're using some American's social media post to convey your viewpoint... Then you hide behind silly gifs and memes. No it’s saying that the not Everyone needs the vaccine ! The gifs and memes are humour which you sorely lack any sense of . Miserable person really 😵 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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