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GinRummy
Just now, OldGorgie said:

I’m just saying that Naismith himself puts country before club and rightly so. A few to**ers may disagree with that by Naismith thinks otherwise.


Most hearts fans I know put us before Scotland I wouldn’t call them, you or Naisy names regardless of what you thought on the subject.

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OldGorgie
2 minutes ago, GinRummy said:


Most hearts fans I know put us before Scotland I wouldn’t call them, you or Naisy names regardless of what you thought on the subject.

You are missing the point. Virtually all players regard playing for their country far more important than their club. Playing for a club is a job. Playing for your country is an honour.

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soonbe110
3 minutes ago, OldGorgie said:

And which league is different. There’s more foreigners in the English leagues than you can shake a stick at but their national team is doing ok because of careful planning and fan support. The problem in Scotland is there are far to many “up to their knees loyalists “.

Fair enough but I disagree. Lot more young English guys playing in top two leagues in England than Scotish players in top league up here. 

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OldGorgie
Just now, soonbe110 said:

Fair enough but I disagree. Lot more young English guys playing in top two leagues in England than Scotish players in top league up here. 

Let’s have some stats to back up your view

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GinRummy
8 minutes ago, OldGorgie said:

You are missing the point. Virtually all players regard playing for their country far more important than their club. Playing for a club is a job. Playing for your country is an honour.


I doubt that’s true.

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Riccarton3

I wasn't that keen on the narrative suggesting his choice of Hearts was now seen as a wise one now he's made it to 50 caps. You'd like to think the club had more to offer than just guaranteeing his presence on the pitch when fit.

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weehammy
18 hours ago, FarmerTweedy said:

Firstly, we don't raise less in tax per capita, and secondly, lots of people from Edinburgh, and elsewhere in Scotland outside of Glasgow and Dundee, want Scotland to cease being part of the UK.

For the umpteenth time p**s off to the shed with this stuff.

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Smithee
41 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Fair enough but I disagree. Lot more young English guys playing in top two leagues in England than Scotish players in top league up here. 

 

There's 44 teams with money to put into their squads in the top two leagues in England to be fair though.

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Coburg Hearts
9 hours ago, XB52 said:

Ask the loony unionists. They see red at any mention of Scotland. Wish they would keep their bile to the shed 

Nice to know that in an all inclusive iScotland I would be regarded as a loony.

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soonbe110
23 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

There's 44 teams with money to put into their squads in the top two leagues in England to be fair though.

Agreed, money has a lot to do with it but that’s the reality. Excluding the OF our other top league teams would probably be lower half of Championship at best, probably lower. The task of finding a national team with any chance of getting to finals in a regular basis with largely that level of player is a big ask. 

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OldGorgie
21 minutes ago, Coburg Hearts said:

Nice to know that in an all inclusive iScotland I would be regarded as a loony.

Live with it.

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Coburg Hearts
Just now, OldGorgie said:

Live with it.

Thanks for that. Now I kinda know how the jews felt in pre-war Germany. 

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OldGorgie
2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Agreed, money has a lot to do with it but that’s the reality. Excluding the OF our other top league teams would probably be lower half of Championship at best, probably lower. The task of finding a national team with any chance of getting to finals in a regular basis with largely that level of player is a big ask. 

Without the huge amount of money English football gets from Sky England would be a backwater in terms of football. As it was before Sky came along.

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ramrod
1 minute ago, Coburg Hearts said:

Thanks for that. Now I kinda know how the jews felt in pre-war Germany. 

Ffs seriously? 

Have a word , drama queen 

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soonbe110
1 hour ago, OldGorgie said:

Let’s have some stats to back up your view

Just compare the current England and Scotland squads in terms of numbers and quality playing in their top leagues. England’s entire team today are pretty much regulars in the best league in the world. We had one in our team yesterday. 

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GinRummy
Just now, OldGorgie said:

Without the huge amount of money English football gets from Sky England would be a backwater in terms of football. As it was before Sky came along.


Didn’t Liverpool, Forrest and Ipswich win European trophies before Sky. They weren’t a backwater before Sky at all.

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upgotheheads
6 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Agreed, money has a lot to do with it but that’s the reality. Excluding the OF our other top league teams would probably be lower half of Championship at best, probably lower. The task of finding a national team with any chance of getting to finals in a regular basis with largely that level of player is a big ask. 

 

Don't exclude the OF from that calculation. There are huge clubs in England who struggle to get above that level.

 

 

1 minute ago, Coburg Hearts said:

Thanks for that. Now I kinda know how the jews felt in pre-war Germany. 

 

:cornette::facepalm:

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soonbe110
2 minutes ago, OldGorgie said:

Without the huge amount of money English football gets from Sky England would be a backwater in terms of football. As it was before Sky came along.

Agreed, but it isn’t. And I doubt that the money situation will change significantly in our lifetimes. 
I think the real point in the debate is that Scotland teams until the start of this century over-achieved significantly considering population, funding, facilities etc. 

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OldGorgie
Just now, Coburg Hearts said:

Thanks for that. Now I kinda know how the jews felt in pre-war Germany. 

What a pathetic and deranged comment. Nobody is suggesting you have to wear badges showing you are a unionist, or placing you in a Ghetto or concentration camp. I never cease to be amazed at the absolute drivel that comes from Unionists when they are put on the spot. What next only Kaflicks vote Labour? 

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alwaysthereinspirit

Iceland has a population less than Edinburgh. 

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OldGorgie
2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Just compare the current England and Scotland squads in terms of numbers and quality playing in their top leagues. England’s entire team today are pretty much regulars in the best league in the world. We had one in our team yesterday. 

I asked for stats not anecdotes

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soonbe110
4 minutes ago, OldGorgie said:

Without the huge amount of money English football gets from Sky England would be a backwater in terms of football. As it was before Sky came along.

Did we have Sky in 1966? 

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ramrod

Wonder if Naisy might retire from the international scene after the play offs now he's in the hall of fame . 

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Mikey1874

Shankland replaced by Brophy.

 

Naismith could start v Kazakhstan. Especially if Clarke sees him as a key player. 

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upgotheheads
Just now, Mikey1874 said:

Shankland replaced by Brophy.

 

Naismith could start v Kazakhstan. Especially if Clarke sees him as a key player. 

 

I'm sure he does.

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soonbe110
3 minutes ago, OldGorgie said:

I asked for stats not anecdotes

I’m not going to waste my time based on your  other comments. It’s as clear as the nose on your face. Fact - today 11 England starters play regularly in best league in world, only 1 Scotland starter yesterday good enough to play regularly in that league. Says it all in terms of the gulf. 

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BarneyBattles
1 minute ago, soonbe110 said:

Agreed, but it isn’t. And I doubt that the money situation will change significantly in our lifetimes. 
I think the real point in the debate is that Scotland teams until the start of this century over-achieved significantly considering population, funding, facilities etc. 


We qualified because the pool of players we had to choose from was much better. Think about the mid 80s. For strikers alone we could choose from Nicholas, mccoist, Robbo, Johnston, McClair, Dodds, Archibald (a bit earlier admittedly) and probably more I’ve forgotten about. Our centre halves were genuinely world class (Hansen, Miller, and date I say it CL could have been too) and we had an abundance of talent on the wings, at full back and in midfield. Goram whether you like him or not was world class too. 
 

All these players, and hundreds more did nothing but kick a ball as kids, as did everyone else. They weren’t coached, they learned the game by themselves by playing it constantly as kids, that’s why we had so many good players for such a small country, there was **** all else to do!

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Sir Gio

Vote Naismith 

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tcjambo

Is Naismith injured?

 

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soonbe110
2 hours ago, OldGorgie said:

And which league is different. There’s more foreigners in the English leagues than you can shake a stick at but their national team is doing ok because of careful planning and fan support. The problem in Scotland is there are far to many “up to their knees loyalists “.

Could be, but I think the real issue is that kids don’t play football anymore, at least not as many kids as in the past, and as a result the population numbers play out more strongly. The English national team is doing really well because of clubs academies, loan system and the fact that they now have EPL managers that are willing to give young players a chance eg Klopp, Guardiola, Lampard, Emery, Olle,   whereas in the past the Allardyces, etc only wanted to play experienced pro’s 

im not sure what role ‘up to their knees loyalists’ play in the Scottish football demise. 

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Barack

Riiiight. "Personal circumstances." Hope  Naismith's suffering the same thing on Tuesday...

 

 

 

(Think I got away with that...)

 

 

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soonbe110
53 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:


We qualified because the pool of players we had to choose from was much better. Think about the mid 80s. For strikers alone we could choose from Nicholas, mccoist, Robbo, Johnston, McClair, Dodds, Archibald (a bit earlier admittedly) and probably more I’ve forgotten about. Our centre halves were genuinely world class (Hansen, Miller, and date I say it CL could have been too) and we had an abundance of talent on the wings, at full back and in midfield. Goram whether you like him or not was world class too. 
 

All these players, and hundreds more did nothing but kick a ball as kids, as did everyone else. They weren’t coached, they learned the game by themselves by playing it constantly as kids, that’s why we had so many good players for such a small country, there was **** all else to do!

Exactly. We over -achieved. Significantly more world class players than we should have had. Every boy was in the park after school playing football. Today they are practically empty. 

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Weakened Offender
40 minutes ago, tcjambo said:

Virtually no-one in Scotland speaks anything but English as their first language.

 

Are you sure about that? 

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Mikey1874
38 minutes ago, tcjambo said:

Is Naismith injured?

 

 

No

 

Shankland is injured 

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rick witter
1 hour ago, OldGorgie said:

No but England had home advantage and a dodgy ref and linesman. Remember what Baxter, Law did to them in 67,. What have they done since then.

They got to the World Cup semi final FFS!! 
They have just romped their qualifying group with a +30 odd goal difference. 

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Lfhearts

Did Naisy tell you he was not injured or is it another Mikey assumption?

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ramrod
3 minutes ago, rick witter said:

They got to the World Cup semi final FFS!! 
They have just romped their qualifying group with a +30 odd goal difference. 

Thinking of backing them to win next years  Euros , they look impressive tbf 

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Barack
1 minute ago, ramrod said:

Thinking of backing them to win next years  Euros , they look impressive tbf 

Their defensive 3rd is dog's dirt. Even their media admit that much. 

 

Save your money, ramathorne.

 

 

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rick witter
3 minutes ago, ramrod said:

Thinking of backing them to win next years  Euros , they look impressive tbf 

I agree I think they are fantastic to watch. Obviously they will come up against better sides but I think the will make at least the semis of the euros and have a great chance of winning it. 

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Beast Boy

Thankfully there are better teams out there, so I don’t worry about England winning anything. France and Belgium are too good for them.

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ramrod
2 minutes ago, Barack said:

Their defensive 3rd is dog's dirt. Even their media admit that much. 

 

Save your money, ramathorne.

 

 

True that and the mental side of things always seems to be a problem, Belgium  could be a decent shout @7's 

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Barack
Just now, ramrod said:

True that and the mental side of things always seems to be a problem, Belgium  could be a decent shout @7's 

Belgium are 7's?

:wow:

With who?

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ramrod
4 minutes ago, Barack said:

Belgium are 7's?

:wow:

With who?

Betway, Bet 888 and Skybet plenty of 13/2 around including my app Wm Hill

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soonbe110
9 minutes ago, Barack said:

Their defensive 3rd is dog's dirt. Even their media admit that much. 

 

Save your money, ramathorne.

 

 

If they find a defence before next summer they will skoosh  it. 

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cosanostra

No more spamming this thread or any other on the Terrace with political debate please.

Thanks.

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busby1985

Hearts over Scotland, all the time, every time. That shouldn’t even be a debate. 

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OldGorgie
18 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Hearts over Scotland, all the time, every time. That shouldn’t even be a debate. 

Fairly obvious that the players who get picked from Hearts don’t take that view. 

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Independence
17 hours ago, OldGorgie said:

I’m just saying that Naismith himself puts country before club and rightly so. A few to**ers may disagree with that but Naismith thinks otherwise.

He doesn't though. Both are intertwined. The club pays the wages, playing for your country brings the icing. Too many people 'overthinking' this.

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Independence
22 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Hearts over Scotland, all the time, every time. That shouldn’t even be a debate. 

Deary me. As I have previously stated both are intertwined. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

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OldGorgie
36 minutes ago, Independence said:

Deary me. As I have previously stated both are intertwined. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Because the “ up to their knees lot” are incapable of rational thought.

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