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16 hours ago, Barack said:

Definitely a hint of missed schadenfreude on this thread from some.

 

Hardly revelatory. But interesting to see.

 

The most succinct post on this thread. 

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Aye,  I enjoyed it. Doesnt feel that long ago with the camera set up on the roof at st andrews social club. Very funny seeing mcphee on his arse at that header :)   New dressing room is huge compared to the old

 

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4 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Just finished watching it and it is a pretty superficial view of the works of a football club. It’s not geared up to be a deep journalistic investigation and I’m not expecting much, if any, revelations in the next two episodes. It’s a bit like the Ladybird Book of Football Clubs. 
 


Good description. 
 

I wonder if Hearts have ensured they will show certain elements of the battle with Doncaster and the league  that show our frustration and anger. 
 

Maybe not Budge putting the phone down on Doncaster, looking at the camera and mouthing the c-word, but something that makes it clear that we were raging. 

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I appreciate the original aims were to show the development of the club as a whole and its day to day running over the last 5 years before our full transition to fan ownership, but they've really missed a trick by not exposing what the hell was going on with the first team under Levein. It's ultimately what we all really wanted to see...

 

I never fully appreciated that Levein might not have wanted to be a DoF back in 2014 but the club were desperate for a Hearts person to fill the role. The more I dwell on what he said, the more I think he was just trying to cover his arse for the mess he created. Juggling DoF and first team coach was entirely his own doing and was only going to end one way. Ann's big mistake was not at least telling him to choose one role or the other to maintain the structure of the club and continue the development.

 

Austin's Japanese is dreadful 😂 Meshino never had a chance. Also thought Austin seems to love himself a bit much for someone who achieved absolutely nothing at Hearts.

 

Ann's chat with the finance director was completely staged. I cringed at the loaded comments of how big a club we are. Just showed that her only aim for the documentary was to create a big PR stunt and make the management look good.

 

Locke comes across really well.

 

I'll hope that the next two episodes are a bit more fascinating but given that they chose to dedicate so much time to MacPhee's handful of games in charge, I'll not hold my breath..

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jambo in Japan said:

I appreciate the original aims were to show the development of the club as a whole and its day to day running over the last 5 years before our full transition to fan ownership, but they've really missed a trick by not exposing what the hell was going on with the first team under Levein. It's ultimately what we all really wanted to see...

 

And the crux of the matter is that was not the terms of documentary agreed by the production team and Hearts and notably their audience isn't solely 'WE'

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24 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

And the crux of the matter is that was not the terms of documentary agreed by the production team and Hearts and notably their audience isn't solely 'WE'

Indeed. It will only ever be as interesting as what was agreed to be shown.

 

'tis what it is.

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5 hours ago, Heres Rixxy said:

For folks abroad that might not be able to access:

 

 

Thanks for that Rixxy, been having trouble trying to watch this over in Oz....if possible could you try and upload the next 2 episodes as well once they come out?

Would be much appreciated mate.

 

Thanks again👍

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4 hours ago, Jambo in Japan said:

Ann's chat with the finance director was completely staged. I cringed at the loaded comments of how big a club we are. Just showed that her only aim for the documentary was to create a big PR stunt and make the management look good.

 

 

Did come across that way, just didn't seem right that Ann as Chairwoman/CEO was talking the DoF through the recruitment process in the way someone junior to the DoF would, it'd surely just be a case of 'we have shortlisted 3, you're going to have to budget the new managers salary as being between these numbers'

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14 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Embarrassing the way people on here tried to defend McPhee (mainly by pretending he had mythical talents which we hadn’t quite tapped into). Was shown up as an imposter straight away by the Huns

 

Are you saying that anyone who puts out a team against Rangers and loses by 3 goals is an imposter?

I'm not defending McPhee by asking that.

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18 hours ago, CJGJ said:

Are you really saying managers who applied for the job should have been named on camera, interviewed and then made to face the camera just to please you ?

Your naivety in regards to managers applying for the post is just laughable...agents work for managers and fire off CV's at a moments notice..they don't stop to think about the club and it's needs financially or otherwise and a manger does not know initially the salary on offer...much of it is done to keep them in the public eye

 

So much nonsense and again another chance to put the boot onto Levein/Budge which lets face it is the reason for your post

Wrong. As much as I dislike Levein I have supported Ann. Having a moan doesn't mean I want her out. As for managers there are many here in the know and had these names been banned about then we would have heard more. Not suggesting putting them in front of a camera and this is more about YOU having a dig than anything else.

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25 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Are you saying that anyone who puts out a team against Rangers and loses by 3 goals is an imposter?

I'm not defending McPhee by asking that.

 

The list of non-imposters will be very small if being easily beaten by Rangers is the barometer.

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1 hour ago, graygo said:

 

Are you saying that anyone who puts out a team against Rangers and loses by 3 goals is an imposter?

I'm not defending McPhee by asking that.


No. I’m saying the state of that performance under a head coach who allegedly knew the squad and had recommended signing some of the players made him an imposter. He was like the proverbial competition winner.

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6 hours ago, Jambo in Japan said:

I appreciate the original aims were to show the development of the club as a whole and its day to day running over the last 5 years before our full transition to fan ownership, but they've really missed a trick by not exposing what the hell was going on with the first team under Levein. It's ultimately what we all really wanted to see...

 

I never fully appreciated that Levein might not have wanted to be a DoF back in 2014 but the club were desperate for a Hearts person to fill the role. The more I dwell on what he said, the more I think he was just trying to cover his arse for the mess he created. Juggling DoF and first team coach was entirely his own doing and was only going to end one way. Ann's big mistake was not at least telling him to choose one role or the other to maintain the structure of the club and continue the development.

 

Austin's Japanese is dreadful 😂 Meshino never had a chance. Also thought Austin seems to love himself a bit much for someone who achieved absolutely nothing at Hearts.

 

Ann's chat with the finance director was completely staged. I cringed at the loaded comments of how big a club we are. Just showed that her only aim for the documentary was to create a big PR stunt and make the management look good.

 

Locke comes across really well.

 

I'll hope that the next two episodes are a bit more fascinating but given that they chose to dedicate so much time to MacPhee's handful of games in charge, I'll not hold my breath..

 

 

You wanted to see Hearts wash all their dirty washing in public ? 

Is it not enough to have suffered last season without replaying it live on national TV ? 

Why would any genuine Hearts fan want that ? 

 

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6 hours ago, Jambo in Japan said:

I appreciate the original aims were to show the development of the club as a whole and its day to day running over the last 5 years before our full transition to fan ownership, but they've really missed a trick by not exposing what the hell was going on with the first team under Levein. It's ultimately what we all really wanted to see...

 

I never fully appreciated that Levein might not have wanted to be a DoF back in 2014 but the club were desperate for a Hearts person to fill the role. The more I dwell on what he said, the more I think he was just trying to cover his arse for the mess he created. Juggling DoF and first team coach was entirely his own doing and was only going to end one way. Ann's big mistake was not at least telling him to choose one role or the other to maintain the structure of the club and continue the development.

 

Austin's Japanese is dreadful 😂 Meshino never had a chance. Also thought Austin seems to love himself a bit much for someone who achieved absolutely nothing at Hearts.

 

Ann's chat with the finance director was completely staged. I cringed at the loaded comments of how big a club we are. Just showed that her only aim for the documentary was to create a big PR stunt and make the management look good.

 

Locke comes across really well.

 

I'll hope that the next two episodes are a bit more fascinating but given that they chose to dedicate so much time to MacPhee's handful of games in charge, I'll not hold my breath..

 

 

 

Can i ask, if things went tits-up in your line of work and it cost you your job, would you want those meetings covered by a camera team? Would you be happy if conversations between you and your boss, or conversations/emails between other people in the business about your work were broadcast for all to see?

 

I am not sure exactly what you would expect or want to see here? We could all see the team was underperforming and the fans were not happy.

 

If we want the truth about those months then we need to interview Budge and/or Levein, but that is a completely diffeeent programme.

 

 

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I must admit I thought the program was ok. 

 

Anyone expecting a warts and all documentary really need to think again. 

 

It was never going to be anything like that, as it would be manna from heaven for the likes of the cretins from Leith et all.

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16 minutes ago, luckydug said:

You wanted to see Hearts wash all their dirty washing in public ? 

Is it not enough to have suffered last season without replaying it live on national TV ? 

Why would any genuine Hearts fan want that ? 

 

 

Exactly. Talk about not seeing the big picture.

 

The AGM yes, not national television.

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10 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

Exactly. Talk about not seeing the big picture.

 

The AGM yes, not national television.

AGM was recorded by the Production team Jonno.

 

Mind you she did get quite an easy ride on the back of Levein (partial) sacking and Stendel in.

 

I can't remember what the silly questions were from the audience, so hopefully one makes the cut.

 

Not that anything will beat the year before

 

'Criag, a man down the pub told me....

 

'Maybe you need new pals.....' 

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The one thing the program re-inforced for me is how much I miss watching Hearts play in a crowded Tynecastle. Roll on the day we can do that again!! 

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4 hours ago, Ribble said:

 

Did come across that way, just didn't seem right that Ann as Chairwoman/CEO was talking the DoF through the recruitment process in the way someone junior to the DoF would, it'd surely just be a case of 'we have shortlisted 3, you're going to have to budget the new managers salary as being between these numbers'

 

Most big companies will have an executive team, which in my case is MD, DOF, Head of HR and Director of Marketing. They should make the strategic decisions but as you pointed out the CEO could have the final say. 

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52 minutes ago, Peakybunnet said:

 

Most big companies will have an executive team, which in my case is MD, DOF, Head of HR and Director of Marketing. They should make the strategic decisions but as you pointed out the CEO could have the final say. 

 

Yeah, just felt the discussion was one that normally happens upwards ie DoF to CEO rather than the other way round

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6 hours ago, JamboBrisbane said:

Thanks for that Rixxy, been having trouble trying to watch this over in Oz....if possible could you try and upload the next 2 episodes as well once they come out?

Would be much appreciated mate.

 

Thanks again👍

 

Should be able to yeah 👍

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I finally watched this after work today. I was quite surprised it made me feel like when I went back to Tynecastle after a few years away when we were in real trouble. The families attending games. Mum and laddie going to Hampden, the groundsmen and staff in the shop etc. 

Hearts are a special club, a family. Having a shitshow of a season and still paying money into the club and queuing out the door in the club shop.

Stendel, for me will always be a wonder what might have been kinda manager, though I'm happy Robbie is back.

Levein, genuinely looked teary and, obviously cares a great deal for this club but his vanity/pride wouldn't allow him to see he had lost it.

MacPhee believed in himself but it didn't look like anyone else did

Ann, as always comes across as someone who put too much faith in, gave too much power and was too loyal to one person.

I'm looking forward to the rest of it to be honest

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15 hours ago, Jambo in Japan said:

I appreciate the original aims were to show the development of the club as a whole and its day to day running over the last 5 years before our full transition to fan ownership, but they've really missed a trick by not exposing what the hell was going on with the first team under Levein. It's ultimately what we all really wanted to see...

 

I never fully appreciated that Levein might not have wanted to be a DoF back in 2014 but the club were desperate for a Hearts person to fill the role. The more I dwell on what he said, the more I think he was just trying to cover his arse for the mess he created. Juggling DoF and first team coach was entirely his own doing and was only going to end one way. Ann's big mistake was not at least telling him to choose one role or the other to maintain the structure of the club and continue the development.

 

Austin's Japanese is dreadful 😂 Meshino never had a chance. Also thought Austin seems to love himself a bit much for someone who achieved absolutely nothing at Hearts.

 

Ann's chat with the finance director was completely staged. I cringed at the loaded comments of how big a club we are. Just showed that her only aim for the documentary was to create a big PR stunt and make the management look good.

 

Locke comes across really well.

 

I'll hope that the next two episodes are a bit more fascinating but given that they chose to dedicate so much time to MacPhee's handful of games in charge, I'll not hold my breath..

 

That pretty much how I saw it. Much better than I could have typed. Think I was wanting a bit more oomph but enjoyed it nonetheless.

 

8 hours ago, luckydug said:

You wanted to see Hearts wash all their dirty washing in public ? 

Is it not enough to have suffered last season without replaying it live on national TV ? 

Why would any genuine Hearts fan want that ? 

 

 

Maybe it could have helped shut up various rumours and bare faced lies that have been hanging around? 

 

8 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

Can i ask, if things went tits-up in your line of work and it cost you your job, would you want those meetings covered by a camera team? Would you be happy if conversations between you and your boss, or conversations/emails between other people in the business about your work were broadcast for all to see?

 

I am not sure exactly what you would expect or want to see here? We could all see the team was underperforming and the fans were not happy.

 

If we want the truth about those months then we need to interview Budge and/or Levein, but that is a completely diffeeent programme.

 

I get your point, but Hearts agreed to this documentary and as Mr Levein was happy enough to be interviewed, I assume he also agreed to be filmed whilst working, good or bad. I don't think it needs to be anything to do with personal meetings or emails and I don't think anyones asking to have the finer details aired on national TV. Maybe a bit of insight into training, interactions with players, pre game prep etc etc. I would have loved to have seen more of the dressing room stuff. Actually seeing a bit of passion. Possibly more to come of that in the next two episodes though.

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15 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

That pretty much how I saw it. Much better than I could have typed. Think I was wanting a bit more oomph but enjoyed it nonetheless.

 

 

Maybe it could have helped shut up various rumours and bare faced lies that have been hanging around? 

 

 

I get your point, but Hearts agreed to this documentary and as Mr Levein was happy enough to be interviewed, I assume he also agreed to be filmed whilst working, good or bad. I don't think it needs to be anything to do with personal meetings or emails and I don't think anyones asking to have the finer details aired on national TV. Maybe a bit of insight into training, interactions with players, pre game prep etc etc. I would have loved to have seen more of the dressing room stuff. Actually seeing a bit of passion. Possibly more to come of that in the next two episodes though.

 

 

"Happy enough to be interviewed?"

 

Most folks, and many on here, in the same position would have told them to bolt. 

He could have gone and hidden behind a keyboard in his bedroom and "got his own back" under some pseudonym, changing his name every 6 months to try and shake off the attack dogs.

 

He failed!  He admitted he failed!  He then had the guts to sit in front of a camera, and you could see he was upset, instead of sloping off and slagging the club like rats such as Michael Stewart.

 

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:


Good description. 
 

I wonder if Hearts have ensured they will show certain elements of the battle with Doncaster and the league  that show our frustration and anger. 
 

Maybe not Budge putting the phone down on Doncaster, looking at the camera and mouthing the c-word, but something that makes it clear that we were raging. 

 

Anybody expecting an expose of the corruption, double-dealing, backstabbing, deception and downright lying that went on over the course of the summer are in for a bit of a disappointment.

Sympathy for Hearts at the time was practically non existant so there's no danger of BBC Scotland breaking ranks now and pointing the finger at the guilty.

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55 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

 

I get your point, but Hearts agreed to this documentary and as Mr Levein was happy enough to be interviewed, I assume he also agreed to be filmed whilst working, good or bad. I don't think it needs to be anything to do with personal meetings or emails and I don't think anyones asking to have the finer details aired on national TV. Maybe a bit of insight into training, interactions with players, pre game prep etc etc. I would have loved to have seen more of the dressing room stuff. Actually seeing a bit of passion. Possibly more to come of that in the next two episodes though.

 

I wonder if we'll get some indirect criticism of Levein and his coaches through comments from interviews comparing the training under Stendel and then Neilson? So those baying for Levein's blood might yet get what they want! If it wasn't for the pandemic, the story probably would have focused more on Levein and then our (being optimistic) last gasp escape from relegation under Stendel. The pandemic gave the filmmakers a much bigger story with broader appeal instead.

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59 minutes ago, colinmaroon said:

 

 

"Happy enough to be interviewed?"

 

Most folks, and many on here, in the same position would have told them to bolt. 

He could have gone and hidden behind a keyboard in his bedroom and "got his own back" under some pseudonym, changing his name every 6 months to try and shake off the attack dogs.

 

He failed!  He admitted he failed!  He then had the guts to sit in front of a camera, and you could see he was upset, instead of sloping off and slagging the club like rats such as Michael Stewart.

 

So gutsy. 

 

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15 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I wonder if we'll get some indirect criticism of Levein and his coaches through comments from interviews comparing the training under Stendel and then Neilson? So those baying for Levein's blood might yet get what they want! If it wasn't for the pandemic, the story probably would have focused more on Levein and then our (being optimistic) last gasp escape from relegation under Stendel. The pandemic gave the filmmakers a much bigger story with broader appeal instead.

 

Possibly, yeah. I think the transition will be good to see in all honesty. From Levein/McPhee to Stendel and then to Neilson. Completely different styles and the way the get that across, I would personally find very interesting.

 

Also agree about the pandemic changing the course. A bit disappointing we don't get the full season but it's only three episodes and this is a bigger story. 

 

The cameras where right in front of where I was sitting in Paisley so looking forward to living that all over again.

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2 hours ago, Jamhammer said:

I finally watched this after work today. I was quite surprised it made me feel like when I went back to Tynecastle after a few years away when we were in real trouble. The families attending games. Mum and laddie going to Hampden, the groundsmen and staff in the shop etc. 

Hearts are a special club, a family. Having a shitshow of a season and still paying money into the club and queuing out the door in the club shop.

Stendel, for me will always be a wonder what might have been kinda manager, though I'm happy Robbie is back.

Levein, genuinely looked teary and, obviously cares a great deal for this club but his vanity/pride wouldn't allow him to see he had lost it.

MacPhee believed in himself but it didn't look like anyone else did

Ann, as always comes across as someone who put too much faith in, gave too much power and was too loyal to one person.

I'm looking forward to the rest of it to be honest

Says it all.

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12 hours ago, luckydug said:

You wanted to see Hearts wash all their dirty washing in public ? 

Is it not enough to have suffered last season without replaying it live on national TV ? 

Why would any genuine Hearts fan want that ? 

 

I wanted to see how football was being run at the club. After endless threads on Levein and Ann on here, I'd have thought most supporters would have felt the same way. Not trying to have an argument, just to be clear, but what did you want to see from the documentary?

11 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Can i ask, if things went tits-up in your line of work and it cost you your job, would you want those meetings covered by a camera team? Would you be happy if conversations between you and your boss, or conversations/emails between other people in the business about your work were broadcast for all to see?

 

I am not sure exactly what you would expect or want to see here? We could all see the team was underperforming and the fans were not happy.

 

If we want the truth about those months then we need to interview Budge and/or Levein, but that is a completely diffeeent programme.

 

 

Of course not, but that's why the club would never have agreed to that. I didn't expect or want to see any meetings as such between Craig and Ann, but more coverage of the first team. We had a bad season, despite reaching a cup final, the season before but still signed up for this at the time. That said, Levein must have believed at the start of the season he could have turned things around, and he wouldn't have predicted his sacking, and I'm sure he would have been consulted by Ann before agreeing to let cameras in around training. The segment on Austin shows there's plenty footage of training, but in the first episode it was all focused on one man who was caretaker for only a few games. Few words from players and no sense of what the atmosphere was like amongst the squad for a large chunk of the season when fans were very curious about how we were being run. Months were just glossed over.

 

I appreciate, it could have been agreed afterwards that Levein didn't want a lot of what happened at that time repeated on TV. I have no idea what was really agreed in the deal between the club and broadcasters. It is what it is. Also appreciate it's only commissioned for 3 episodes, where there's an awful lot more to cover from the second half of the season. It may make for more interesting viewing. Who knows. Either way, I'll definitely watch and am looking forward to the remaining 2 hours.

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On 11/11/2020 at 13:32, Heres Rixxy said:

For folks abroad that might not be able to access:

 

 

 Cheers for that, was looking for it !

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On 10/11/2020 at 18:17, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

Hope you're doing ok LB. My DM's always open if you need an ear 👍

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If all you had seen was the documentary you would think that Levein sadly had to leave due to a few injuries which led to a few bad results.  A normal managerial story.

 

The real story was that rarely has one person had the opportunity to shape a football team in their image.  And failed in every respect from football results, style, transfer business, choice of hapless useless coaches, failed bootroom conveyor belt, misfiring youth system after a colossal amount spent on it.  A total disaster in every respect.

 

And yet allowed to remain at the club! The documentary at least shone a light on the FoH people who are just club cheerleader useful idiots- but where were the rest of the club Board who should have been scrutinising Levein's unfolding disaster?

 

Laughing at the self publicist MacPhee is one thing ... but the documentary never even considered how Ann Budge was so taken in by Levein.

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4 hours ago, Jambo in Japan said:

I wanted to see how football was being run at the club. After endless threads on Levein and Ann on here, I'd have thought most supporters would have felt the same way. Not trying to have an argument, just to be clear, but what did you want to see from the documentary?

Of course not, but that's why the club would never have agreed to that. I didn't expect or want to see any meetings as such between Craig and Ann, but more coverage of the first team. We had a bad season, despite reaching a cup final, the season before but still signed up for this at the time. That said, Levein must have believed at the start of the season he could have turned things around, and he wouldn't have predicted his sacking, and I'm sure he would have been consulted by Ann before agreeing to let cameras in around training. The segment on Austin shows there's plenty footage of training, but in the first episode it was all focused on one man who was caretaker for only a few games. Few words from players and no sense of what the atmosphere was like amongst the squad for a large chunk of the season when fans were very curious about how we were being run. Months were just glossed over.

 

I appreciate, it could have been agreed afterwards that Levein didn't want a lot of what happened at that time repeated on TV. I have no idea what was really agreed in the deal between the club and broadcasters. It is what it is. Also appreciate it's only commissioned for 3 episodes, where there's an awful lot more to cover from the second half of the season. It may make for more interesting viewing. Who knows. Either way, I'll definitely watch and am looking forward to the remaining 2 hours.


👍🏻

 

To be honest, after the way that season panned out I would prefer an hour watching Lockie bantering with the staff than any focus on the team 😁

 

Having said that, showing ten minutes of the ladies team when the club was in genuine turmoil was odd, to say the least. 

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19 hours ago, luckydug said:

You wanted to see Hearts wash all their dirty washing in public ? 

Is it not enough to have suffered last season without replaying it live on national TV ? 

Why would any genuine Hearts fan want that ? 

 

This.....in a nutshell! 

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31 minutes ago, Coco said:

Laughing at the self publicist MacPhee is one thing ... but the documentary never even considered how Ann Budge was so taken in by Levein.

 

That's because the documentary isn't an expose on what went wrong at the club. It's an insight into how clubs are run, who's involved etc etc.

 

It could have been any club in Scotland, they chose Hearts because of the size of the club and the FoH handover.

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21 hours ago, jonnothejambo said:

I must admit I thought the program was ok. 

 

Anyone expecting a warts and all documentary really need to think again. 

 

It was never going to be anything like that, as it would be manna from heaven for the likes of the cretins from Leith et all.

 

Being Liverpool set the benchmark. I was rather hoping to see more about what people actually do - a day in the life of type of programme. Also, for example, they could have looked into what goes on in preparing Tynecastle for a match, how new signings are welcomed and helped to settle in to life in Edinburgh, what it is like being a youngster in the Academy; there will be many more stories to be told. There is a massive middle ground between being warts and all and superficial, and I think it unfortunate that this was not exploited. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Jambo in Japan said:

I wanted to see how football was being run at the club. After endless threads on Levein and Ann on here, I'd have thought most supporters would have felt the same way. Not trying to have an argument, just to be clear, but what did you want to see from the documentary?

Of course not, but that's why the club would never have agreed to that. I didn't expect or want to see any meetings as such between Craig and Ann, but more coverage of the first team. We had a bad season, despite reaching a cup final, the season before but still signed up for this at the time. That said, Levein must have believed at the start of the season he could have turned things around, and he wouldn't have predicted his sacking, and I'm sure he would have been consulted by Ann before agreeing to let cameras in around training. The segment on Austin shows there's plenty footage of training, but in the first episode it was all focused on one man who was caretaker for only a few games. Few words from players and no sense of what the atmosphere was like amongst the squad for a large chunk of the season when fans were very curious about how we were being run. Months were just glossed over.

 

I appreciate, it could have been agreed afterwards that Levein didn't want a lot of what happened at that time repeated on TV. I have no idea what was really agreed in the deal between the club and broadcasters. It is what it is. Also appreciate it's only commissioned for 3 episodes, where there's an awful lot more to cover from the second half of the season. It may make for more interesting viewing. Who knows. Either way, I'll definitely watch and am looking forward to the remaining 2 hours.

 

The press release about the documentary being filmed linked in the OP was from a week after Levein was sacked, and suggests the cameras were only at 1 game with Levein in charge. So the absence of Craig doesn't look like some sort of cover up, just that there wasn't much footage.

Given the truncated season, to get to Stendel's appointment at the end of the first episode seems reasonable

As others have said it's not just about football, but about the whole club.

 

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19 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

 

The press release about the documentary being filmed linked in the OP was from a week after Levein was sacked, and suggests the cameras were only at 1 game with Levein in charge. So the absence of Craig doesn't look like some sort of cover up, just that there wasn't much footage.

Given the truncated season, to get to Stendel's appointment at the end of the first episode seems reasonable

As others have said it's not just about football, but about the whole club.

 

Fair enough, must have missed that. Thanks for pointing it out 👍

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3 hours ago, Coco said:

If all you had seen was the documentary you would think that Levein sadly had to leave due to a few injuries which led to a few bad results.  A normal managerial story.

 

The real story was that rarely has one person had the opportunity to shape a football team in their image.  And failed in every respect from football results, style, transfer business, choice of hapless useless coaches, failed bootroom conveyor belt, misfiring youth system after a colossal amount spent on it.  A total disaster in every respect.

 

And yet allowed to remain at the club! The documentary at least shone a light on the FoH people who are just club cheerleader useful idiots- but where were the rest of the club Board who should have been scrutinising Levein's unfolding disaster?

 

Laughing at the self publicist MacPhee is one thing ... but the documentary never even considered how Ann Budge was so taken in by Levein.


😂 thank **** it didn’t do any of those things. frankly all that shit is done and I couldn’t give a shiny shite.
 

Would just supply ammunition to our enemies.

 

onwards and upwards

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2 hours ago, henryheart said:

 

Being Liverpool set the benchmark. I was rather hoping to see more about what people actually do - a day in the life of type of programme. Also, for example, they could have looked into what goes on in preparing Tynecastle for a match, how new signings are welcomed and helped to settle in to life in Edinburgh, what it is like being a youngster in the Academy; there will be many more stories to be told. There is a massive middle ground between being warts and all and superficial, and I think it unfortunate that this was not exploited. 

 

 


Is that the one where Brendan Rodgers got the 3 envelopes out and looked a complete dick?

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3 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

 

The press release about the documentary being filmed linked in the OP was from a week after Levein was sacked, and suggests the cameras were only at 1 game with Levein in charge. So the absence of Craig doesn't look like some sort of cover up, just that there wasn't much footage.

Given the truncated season, to get to Stendel's appointment at the end of the first episode seems reasonable

As others have said it's not just about football, but about the whole club.

 

I watched the whole episode out of complete boredom last night after giving up the first time and for me it hardly paints a picture of a club that has been in a downward spiral for months, a manager/DOF who was incapable of turning it around, there is absolutely no sense of any tension (quite the opposite) in the club.  Austin comes across as something out of The Office as does the comms/PR  woman. In fact the only person who managed  to convey the feeling of what was going on was the groundsman. 

 

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3 hours ago, henryheart said:

 

Being Liverpool set the benchmark. I was rather hoping to see more about what people actually do - a day in the life of type of programme. Also, for example, they could have looked into what goes on in preparing Tynecastle for a match, how new signings are welcomed and helped to settle in to life in Edinburgh, what it is like being a youngster in the Academy; there will be many more stories to be told. There is a massive middle ground between being warts and all and superficial, and I think it unfortunate that this was not exploited. 

 

 

 

You make some pertinent points, Henry.

 

What you have stated would have improved the documentary for sure.

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On 11/11/2020 at 12:28, DETTY29 said:

AGM was recorded by the Production team Jonno.

 

Mind you she did get quite an easy ride on the back of Levein (partial) sacking and Stendel in.

 

I can't remember what the silly questions were from the audience, so hopefully one makes the cut.

 

Not that anything will beat the year before

 

'Criag, a man down the pub told me....

 

'Maybe you need new pals.....' 


The one I partucularly remember was along the lines of "what contingencies have been made in case of relegation", It got laughed off but had the revelation about relegation clauses, though the strict meaning of that was ambiguous

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7 hours ago, Coco said:

If all you had seen was the documentary you would think that Levein sadly had to leave due to a few injuries which led to a few bad results.  A normal managerial story.

 

The real story was that rarely has one person had the opportunity to shape a football team in their image.  And failed in every respect from football results, style, transfer business, choice of hapless useless coaches, failed bootroom conveyor belt, misfiring youth system after a colossal amount spent on it.  A total disaster in every respect.

 

And yet allowed to remain at the club! The documentary at least shone a light on the FoH people who are just club cheerleader useful idiots- but where were the rest of the club Board who should have been scrutinising Levein's unfolding disaster?

 

Laughing at the self publicist MacPhee is one thing ... but the documentary never even considered how Ann Budge was so taken in by Levein.

 

That's a much larger story, not just the story of last season. To properly analyse and reflect the job Levein did you'd need to go right back to before he recommended Neilson as manager and the three of them joined the club. You'd also need to cover the state of the club, including the academy, at that point. AYou;d need to cover Cathro and Levein taking over as manager, including the great start to 18/19 and the injuries that halted that, plus his heart attack. Football is ups and downs. Hard as it is for some to admit, there have been ups during the period since Levein came in as DoF, and although he failed miserably at the end he was unlucky with injuries and many people think the heart scare changed him more than anyone, including him, thought at the time.

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On 11/11/2020 at 13:51, davemclaren said:

The one thing the program re-inforced for me is how much I miss watching Hearts play in a crowded Tynecastle. Roll on the day we can do that again!! 

The thing that came across loud and clear to me is the passion of the fans and the staff, Tynecastle has to be one of the best atmospheres when filled to the brim with Jambos and I can't wait for us fans to be allowed back. HHGH Only Hearts 💕. Terry 

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10 hours ago, Coco said:

If all you had seen was the documentary you would think that Levein sadly had to leave due to a few injuries which led to a few bad results.  A normal managerial story.

 

The real story was that rarely has one person had the opportunity to shape a football team in their image.  And failed in every respect from football results, style, transfer business, choice of hapless useless coaches, failed bootroom conveyor belt, misfiring youth system after a colossal amount spent on it.  A total disaster in every respect.

 

And yet allowed to remain at the club! The documentary at least shone a light on the FoH people who are just club cheerleader useful idiots- but where were the rest of the club Board who should have been scrutinising Levein's unfolding disaster?

 

Laughing at the self publicist MacPhee is one thing ... but the documentary never even considered how Ann Budge was so taken in by Levein.


FOH just say three bags full whenever Budge does anything. The definition of yes men.

 

We should never have signed up to a documentary because they’re asking for trouble. But it’s typical Budge arrogance to do that and then try and sugar coat it.

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