williamgerrard Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fergie_Jambo said: Have the police confirmed to him that there is no case? Didnt get that far mate police have not received any complaints as far as i am aware hearts brought in a lip reading specialist cant really say anymore than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, williamgerrard said: Didnt get that far mate police have not received any complaints as far as i am aware hearts brought in a lip reading specialist cant really say anymore than that Think you’ve said enough, William. Careless talk and all that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie_Jambo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, williamgerrard said: Didnt get that far mate police have not received any complaints as far as i am aware hearts brought in a lip reading specialist cant really say anymore than that Ok Bud, ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, cocobeab said: Interesting development if a punter using social media can accuse another (and by implication his club’s support) of criminal activity, using only his own interpretation of events shown on TV as evidence. Also interesting to note that BT shot these events using a camera behind the player, almost as if the fans he was goading were of more interest than the jubilant goal scorer. I’m cynical enough to think that could easily become a ploy, employed by story hunting/creating media types. Using the match day cameras to spot and bring to prominence anti social behaviour, allowing screen grabs of individual faces and the online witch hunt that follows thereafter, all seems terribly easy. Does make me wonder why in 40 years of watching Scottish football I have never seen TV cameras show a similar close up of the away end at Tynecastle. When, on certain days, anyone of c3000 fans might’ve been similarly brought to prominence and brought to book. Not sure if you have watched it but if not go onto BBC IPlayer and watch a series called The Capture. If you think simply grabbing images of people via CCTV is bad wait till you see them Capturing people's moving images and altering them. Nothing surprises me now even before watching that series but I am just an old cynic to be fair😃 Edited October 21, 2019 by joondalupjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Whatever said: The club have brought this negative press upon themselves with the ‘statement’. Complete naivety on their part and not for the first time. Seems like they jumped the gun a little . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Whatever said: The club have brought this negative press upon themselves with the ‘statement’. Complete naivety on their part and not for the first time. Yes - they keep calling out Hearts fans as criminals and say nothing about the opposition fans who do similar or worse. I can only assume that Budge gives her blessing to this. I’ll be glad when she is gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, busby1985 said: Incredible that this has been on every half hourly bulletin on five live, talk sport and bbc. This has come from a fan literally deciding he can read lips and him subsequently posting it on twitter. The club are now being vilified for doing the right thing, shambles. I sincerely hope Budge and the board publish the results and take the correct people to task. 4500 people sing about the UDA, UVF and it’s ignored but some mad crackpot Rangers fan sitting in his house decides he seen something and it’s national news. Disgrace. Great post have some mana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, ramrod said: Seems like they jumped the gun a little . Something people don't realise. SPFL rules put a big onus on clubs to deal with problems at grounds. I would say this is No 1 reason for the statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 20/10/2019 at 17:05, The Real Maroonblood said: No. Hope I’m proved wrong. Where the bottle was thrown ' just take more seats of them another 200 or more ? Personally dont want any of them at tyney !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 It does seem naive to have commented on this in the face of little more than internet chatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Keeps getting better and better https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/sfa-and-spfl-urged-to-act-after-alfredo-morelos-abuse-claims-at-hearts-1-5030479 Not even a mention that it took the away end 60 minutes before the word "rangers" appeared in one of their songs with the rest taken up with songs I am not familiar with but mentioning UDA and UVF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Yes - they keep calling out Hearts fans as criminals and say nothing about the opposition fans who do similar or worse. I can only assume that Budge gives her blessing to this. I’ll be glad when she is gone The club hasn’t called anyone out as a criminal re this incident from what I’ve seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, cocobeab said: Interesting development if a punter using social media can accuse another (and by implication his club’s support) of criminal activity, using only his own interpretation of events shown on TV as evidence. Also interesting to note that BT shot these events using a camera behind the player, almost as if the fans he was goading were of more interest than the jubilant goal scorer. I’m cynical enough to think that could easily become a ploy, employed by story hunting/creating media types. Using the match day cameras to spot and bring to prominence anti social behaviour, allowing screen grabs of individual faces and the online witch hunt that follows thereafter, all seems terribly easy. Does make me wonder why in 40 years of watching Scottish football I have never seen TV cameras show a similar close up of the away end at Tynecastle. When, on certain days, anyone of c3000 fans might’ve been similarly brought to prominence and brought to book. The same BT who had a clear shot of the coin hitting Lennons chest but chose to cut away at the last second. Lets have Hearts release 3000 separate videos showing every away supporter shouting “fenians”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Riccarton3 said: how is the club being villified for doing the right thing? Our name is being aired nationally, every 30 minutes alleging that we have racist fans. This has all come from some mad rangers fan who thinks he can read lips. By the time the game had finished this Rangers lip reading professional had the incident viral. Hearts have done the right thing by acknowledging it, even tho it’s non sense and they didn’t have to. Our club is now being shamed for doing so. Sportsound tonight asked if the SFA should now introduce the UEFA protocol for racism based on this alleged incident. Again, the incident is a Rangers fan who has attributed his own quote to the his own footage. It’s a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: The club hasn’t called anyone out as a criminal te this incident from what I’ve seen. Was just the perfect storm for the media. Given the events in Bulgaria the merest hint of racism and they were going to be all over it. Hearts say we’re investigating an alleged racist incident, the media quickly drop ‘alleged’ from that and run with the story. I hope the lad in question is fully absolved by the club and the instigator taken to task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, williamgerrard said: Theres no case to answer the guy in question is not a racist and can see someone getting sued re this cant say to much as i am friends with the accused but the person who put it up on twitter has been sent a private message on fb all i will say hes a bitter zombie Has the guy been in contact with the club or been contacted by the club as yet ? Would be good if his name was cleared and a statement was made by the club to this effect . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Whatever said: The club have brought this negative press upon themselves with the ‘statement’. Complete naivety on their part and not for the first time. The club haven't made any "statement" though. Its nothing more than a quote noting the "alleged" racist complaint and that they are investigating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His name is Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 What ever happened about the alleged racist incident against motherwell last season. Again the press had a field day but I'm sure it all turned out to be rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, jambogemz said: The club haven't made any "statement" though. Its nothing more than a quote noting the "alleged" racist complaint and that they are investigating. Complaint to who though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgoJambo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: Racism is disgusting whether in football or life, but why is it the media give it full focus and not sectarianism? That bothers me just as much and both have no place in society. . Racism’s HOT 👌🏾 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: An outrageous comment from Show Racism the Red Card...…...….. “We are deeply distressed that again another horrible incident has taken place at the highest level of Scottish football. This abuse directed at Alfredo Morelos has been caught on live TV and circulated across social media seen by millions, yet these rising incidents of racism in football remain far outnumbered by those that do not make the headlines. Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Sometimes you despair at Hearts hierarchy. Over 100 years of vile anti catholic rants from Rankers and suddenly , despite never having adopted a sectarian stance, it’s Hearts that are under the spotlight. West coast journalism, including the BBC have a long history of hypocrisy, ignoring the blatant sectarian vile from the ugly sisters. Since I started watching Hearts over 60 years ago, I have heard nothing but the vilest comments from Rankers supporters directed at Hearts players who were catholics. It still continues yet because one moron shouts at a Rankers player, the focus is on Hearts. No wonder sectarianism is rife in the West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo66 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, williamgerrard said: Theres no case to answer the guy in question is not a racist and can see someone getting sued re this cant say to much as i am friends with the accused but the person who put it up on twitter has been sent a private message on fb all i will say hes a bitter zombie He should certainly consider taking legal advice here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Eiffel Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Race vs Sect? How do we differentiate? It appears that one is unacceptable while the other is tolerated by our establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo66 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: An outrageous comment from Show Racism the Red Card...…...….. “We are deeply distressed that again another horrible incident has taken place at the highest level of Scottish football. This abuse directed at Alfredo Morelos has been caught on live TV and circulated across social media seen by millions, yet these rising incidents of racism in football remain far outnumbered by those that do not make the headlines. If show racism the red card has made that statement and it can be clearly linked to this incident, then it looks as if they may have made a defamatory statement as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: An outrageous comment from Show Racism the Red Card...…...….. “We are deeply distressed that again another horrible incident has taken place at the highest level of Scottish football. This abuse directed at Alfredo Morelos has been caught on live TV and circulated across social media seen by millions, yet these rising incidents of racism in football remain far outnumbered by those that do not make the headlines. If the guy being accused ends up being found not guilty of the accusation and decides to lawyer up, that lawyer is going to be very busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jambo66 said: If show racism the red card has made that statement and it can be clearly linked to this incident, then it looks as if they may have made a defamatory statement as well. The person involved in the incident may well now have a very good legal case for action Sometimes 'worthy' organisations just can't help wanting their share of publicity before anything has been proven...you have to ask also why the media do not call them out on it and ask them to defend their guilty verdict before judgement statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyrood_Hearts Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Whatever said: The club have brought this negative press upon themselves with the ‘statement’. Complete naivety on their part and not for the first time. Rubbish. The club have reacted to a story, absolutely nothing wrong with that. It’s better being proactive than reactive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Shillyshally Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, cocobeab said: Interesting development if a punter using social media can accuse another (and by implication his club’s support) of criminal activity, using only his own interpretation of events shown on TV as evidence. Also interesting to note that BT shot these events using a camera behind the player, almost as if the fans he was goading were of more interest than the jubilant goal scorer. I’m cynical enough to think that could easily become a ploy, employed by story hunting/creating media types. Using the match day cameras to spot and bring to prominence anti social behaviour, allowing screen grabs of individual faces and the online witch hunt that follows thereafter, all seems terribly easy. Does make me wonder why in 40 years of watching Scottish football I have never seen TV cameras show a similar close up of the away end at Tynecastle. When, on certain days, anyone of c3000 fans might’ve been similarly brought to prominence and brought to book. Excellent point. You could very well be onto something there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 If you score a goal and stick it up the opposition fans - you're going to get abuse (see Lafferty or Skacel) - quite how what that ***** Morelos got was racist is anyone's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, Alec Eiffel said: Race vs Sect? How do we differentiate? It appears that one is unacceptable while the other is tolerated by our establishment. That is it, in a nutshell. 👍 It’s absolutely fine for countless thousands of moronic Old Firm ‘fans’ to belt out the Irish, and anti-Irish pish week in, week out but, Heavens above, let’s hammer one person making a comment, regarding colour, that is still unproven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocobeab Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) I’ve heard us sing a gloriously apposite dirty when Neil Lennon is in town ’its not sectarian, you’re just a c...’ doesn’t scan half as well but can I be the first to suggest a slight rewording for Hampden ‘it’s not at all racism, you’re just a c....’ Edited October 21, 2019 by cocobeab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, Holyrood_Hearts said: Rubbish. The club have reacted to a story, absolutely nothing wrong with that. It’s better being proactive than reactive A story? Us reacting to a Rangers fans tweet has ensured we’re national news for all the wrong reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, cocobeab said: I’ve heard us sing a gloriously apposite dirty when Neil Lennon is in town ’its not sectarian, you’re just a c...’ doesn’t scan half as well but can I be the first to suggest a slight rewording for Hampden ‘it’s not at all racism, you’re just a c....’ I know you meant ‘ditty’ but, the autocorrect is beautifully appropriate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgoJambo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, BarneyBattles said: An outrageous comment from Show Racism the Red Card...…...….. “We are deeply distressed that again another horrible incident has taken place at the highest level of Scottish football. This abuse directed at Alfredo Morelos has been caught on live TV and circulated across social media seen by millions, yet these rising incidents of racism in football remain far outnumbered by those that do not make the headlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, cocobeab said: Interesting development if a punter using social media can accuse another (and by implication his club’s support) of criminal activity, using only his own interpretation of events shown on TV as evidence. Also interesting to note that BT shot these events using a camera behind the player, almost as if the fans he was goading were of more interest than the jubilant goal scorer. I’m cynical enough to think that could easily become a ploy, employed by story hunting/creating media types. Using the match day cameras to spot and bring to prominence anti social behaviour, allowing screen grabs of individual faces and the online witch hunt that follows thereafter, all seems terribly easy. Does make me wonder why in 40 years of watching Scottish football I have never seen TV cameras show a similar close up of the away end at Tynecastle. When, on certain days, anyone of c3000 fans might’ve been similarly brought to prominence and brought to book. A Hibs fan was given a 12 month football ban and community service after TV cameras caught him punching Zlamal from the away end at Tynecastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambo66 said: If show racism the red card has made that statement and it can be clearly linked to this incident, then it looks as if they may have made a defamatory statement as well. They’ll be disappointed if this guy gets cleared. That’s part of the problem - too many people with agendas who actually want this to have happened rather than be glad it didn’t happen. Weirdos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocobeab Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: A Hibs fan was given a 12 month football ban and community service after TV cameras caught him punching Zlamal from the away end at Tynecastle. Granted. Likewise the old Leither that was pulled up for abusing Dikamona at Easter Road. Just find it a little perplexing that such use of TV cameras has never, to the best of my knowledge, managed to pick out even one of the many thousands who have for years now consistently disregarded anti-social behaviour and more specifically anti-sectarian rulings in their ‘support’ of our two biggest clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocobeab Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Morgan said: I know you meant ‘ditty’ but, the autocorrect is beautifully appropriate! Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: A Hibs fan was given a 12 month football ban and community service after TV cameras caught him punching Zlamal from the away end at Tynecastle. I used this as an example yesterday to show ridiculous it would be to ban a fan for life for using a racist expletive in the heat of the moment. Also how someone like Peter Beardsley can do it and pretty much get away with it, get put on a course or whatever. As a Scotsman who lived down south for 5. years, I’d always rather be called a Scottish b***ard or some other derogatory racist stereotype than get assaulted. Have to say it didn’t really bother me at the time but times have changed. Doesn’t make either right of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, cocobeab said: Granted. Likewise the old Leither that was pulled up for abusing Dikamona at Easter Road. Just find it a little perplexing that such use of TV cameras has never, to the best of my knowledge, managed to pick out even one of the many thousands who have for years now consistently disregarded anti-social behaviour and more specifically anti-sectarian rulings in their ‘support’ of our two biggest clubs. What happened to the Hibs fan that allegedly racially abused Dikamona again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, BarneyBattles said: An outrageous comment from Show Racism the Red Card...…...….. “We are deeply distressed that again another horrible incident has taken place at the highest level of Scottish football. This abuse directed at Alfredo Morelos has been caught on live TV and circulated across social media seen by millions, yet these rising incidents of racism in football remain far outnumbered by those that do not make the headlines. If he's found innocent I wonder if they'll publically apologise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 So, that's Hearts, hibs getting a kick in the bawz for racism. (or been kicked in the bawz for it) Aberdeen got investigated for sectererian singing last season. 😂 Meanwhile.... Rangers, celtic? Scottish football at it it's finest. It's not even funny anymore. The best part is Uefa have fined both a combined total of about 393 times in the past ten years. How many times have the SFA brought them up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: So, that's Hearts, hibs getting a kick in the bawz for racism. (or been kicked in the bawz for it) Aberdeen got investigated for sectererian singing last season. 😂 Meanwhile.... Rangers, celtic? Scottish football at it it's finest. It's not even funny anymore. The best part is Uefa have fined both a combined total of about 393 times in the past ten years. How many times have the SFA brought them up? Part of me hopes they get drawn against each other in the europa and uefa can really see it first hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Part of me hopes they get drawn against each other in the europa and uefa can really see it first hand. now that would be a sight worth seeing. Popcorn viewing. Battering each other whilst singing their horrible little rhymes. please let that happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Part of me hopes they get drawn against each other in the europa and uefa can really see it first hand. Aye, but I prefer it when they give the European police forces baton practice. "Right lads, routine baton practice scheduled on Tuesday is cancelled, it's 2000 now on Thursday, be careful, these targets move, stink and pish themselves". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said: Aye, but I prefer it when they give the European police forces baton practice. "Right lads, routine baton practice scheduled on Tuesday is cancelled, it's 2000 now on Thursday, be careful, these targets move, stink and pish themselves". A friend of mine who works for a global company gets regular updates on travel alerts/warnings for those travelling to various parts of the world This week has included: Spain - due to Catalan protests Hong Kong - democracy protests USA - hurricane alerts Portugal - rangers are playing in Porto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: A friend of mine who works for a global company gets regular updates on travel alerts/warnings for those travelling to various parts of the world This week has included: Spain - due to Catalan protests Hong Kong - democracy protests USA - hurricane alerts Portugal - rangers are playing in Porto An eye opener, nice bit of information. Thing is, they (rangers fans) would be happy about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: A friend of mine who works for a global company gets regular updates on travel alerts/warnings for those travelling to various parts of the world This week has included: Spain - due to Catalan protests Hong Kong - democracy protests USA - hurricane alerts Portugal - rangers are playing in Porto The Foreign Office advice relates to the safety of the travelling football fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Former Rangers striker Kenny Miller believes players may have to leave the pitch to combat racist behaviour from fans in Scottish football, after Ibrox forward Alfredo Morelos was allegedly targeted in Sunday's draw at Hearts. (Herald, subscription required) and should we also do the same for sectarianism that DEFINITELY not ALLEGEDLY happens with the uglies ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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