Thomaso Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 11 hours ago, eyesandears said: demonise Yes supporters take this crap to The Shed please. Exactly what a load of drivel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Murray relies on the anti-independence, or to put it another way, British nationalist vote. There's no other explanation for why in an area that voted Remain by some distance in the EU referendum, a majority would then vote for a Brexit supporting party in the general election. This as others have said should be in the Shed but one track minded SNP supporters drag their single issue into everything. By all accounts Murray is a good constituency MP and has built up some personal support beyond the core Labour support.The sort of thing that is necessary to win elections rather than maintain a pure socialist (or for that matter nationalist) agenda that makes people feel virtuous but at the end of the day achieves nothing. Labour was hardly "Brexit supporting". The policy was to negotiate a better deal and then have a second referendum on which the leader would be neutral. In the overall UK picture (and it was a UK election) the best practical hope of stopping Brexit was to elect Labour MPs (unless ypu believed Jo Swinson had a chance of forming a Government) Edited January 8, 2020 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Been meaning to ask this for a while. In the Acknowledgements section at the start, amongst those listed as having contributed to the book was a certain Ken Fruish. I have only ever once met anyone with the surname Fruish (I believe his first name was Ken). He was a teacher at Carrick Knowe Primary around 1973-74 and took the school football teams. Sadly he left teaching to cycle round the world. We heard he got as far as India. If it is the same guy he was sadly missed by us in the school teams. If anyone on here knows any more I would be delighted if you could post it on here. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One five Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I got this book for a Xmas pressie I keep meaning to get it started heard it’s good 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number witheld Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 What a great read this was. Late at night reading about the other late bids and hibs fans caused a few sleepless nights. For those who pull politics into it get a life. Hearts fans goes above and beyond to secure the future of the club. This should be applauded whatever your political persuasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number witheld Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 In fact for those who bring his politics into it it says more about you than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, number witheld said: In fact for those who bring his politics into it it says more about you than him. Murray himself brought politics into it in the actual book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 23 hours ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Been meaning to ask this for a while. In the Acknowledgements section at the start, amongst those listed as having contributed to the book was a certain Ken Fruish. I have only ever once met anyone with the surname Fruish (I believe his first name was Ken). He was a teacher at Carrick Knowe Primary around 1973-74 and took the school football teams. Sadly he left teaching to cycle round the world. We heard he got as far as India. If it is the same guy he was sadly missed by us in the school teams. If anyone on here knows any more I would be delighted if you could post it on here. Thanks! Not the same person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Coco said: Not the same person. No worries buddy and thanks for the reply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 If Murray goes on about Labour I have a problem with him. If he keeps his Labour politics out of Hearts business I’ll just happily ignore him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 15/01/2020 at 22:20, ToqueJambo said: Murray himself brought politics into it in the actual book. I read the book and didn't spot that. Unless mentioning he was Labour "brought politics into it" . If party politics made more than 1% of the book I totally missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, mitch41 said: If Murray goes on about Labour I have a problem with him. If he keeps his Labour politics out of Hearts business I’ll just happily ignore him. Why would you ignore him in your second scenario? Even if you ignored him on your first, however irrelevant as far as his book is concerned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Why would you ignore him in your second scenario? Even if you ignored him on your first, however irrelevant as far as his book is concerned? I try and ignore anything Murray goes on about. Sorry but when the insults and attacks my fellow Scots I just can’t stand the guy. Hearts as a club try hard to represent every person no matter their race, religion or politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, mitch41 said: I try and ignore anything Murray goes on about. Sorry but when the insults and attacks my fellow Scots I just can’t stand the guy. Hearts as a club try hard to represent every person no matter their race, religion or politics. Every fan has different opinions re life, politics, religion etc We have a common interest in our club and he is part of our club..indeed he has made a fantastic contribution to it's survival. I try to separate my 'life' views from football and enjoy life on a Saturday with my fellow fans I've yet to hear Ian Murray berate his fellow fans regarding his club and like many political figures before him he's welcome in our 'church' There have been Tory politicians, Nationalist politicians, Liberal politicians and Labour politicians who are or have been fans of our club and long may that continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 04/01/2020 at 10:26, Footballfirst said: I picked up on a couple of things. It's not 79.9% of shares that will be handed over to FOH. It is only 75.1%. He also refers to Halifax taking over Bank of Scotland. It was actually a merger on a share for share basis in the two companies becoming shares in HBOS. Having known Ian as a Councillor and MP for about 15 years I admit to being biased but having just finished the book I can honestly say i thoroughly enjoyed it. For me the 'take away' was the 'trivial' things that nearly derailed the whole process - in some way its a 'life lesson' Anyhow the issues i spotted were [in chronological order] 1. the player with most appearances for the club spells his name Mackay; not McKay - bit unfortunate. 2. when i sat in the row behind Ian [and his brother] in the Wheatfield Section G - I was in row 23, he said his seat was in Row 11 - he might have moved seats however . 3. the commentator at the Relegation Party game was Derek Rae - not Ian Crocker. None of these destroy an excellent read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, CJGJ said: Every fan has different opinions re life, politics, religion etc We have a common interest in our club and he is part of our club..indeed he has made a fantastic contribution to it's survival. I try to separate my 'life' views from football and enjoy life on a Saturday with my fellow fans I've yet to hear Ian Murray berate his fellow fans regarding his club and like many political figures before him he's welcome in our 'church' There have been Tory politicians, Nationalist politicians, Liberal politicians and Labour politicians who are or have been fans of our club and long may that continue Amen to all the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) On 05/01/2020 at 13:58, Francis Albert said: Islington contains more millionaires per head and far more houses in the multi-million pound bracket than Edinburgh Pentland, contains areas that make Morningside look positively deprived, and returns two Labour MPs with thumping majorities. Edinburgh Pentland is not just Morningside and similar "wealthy" enclaves. Not clear what your last sentence means. Not important but thought I would point out that as far as the UK parliament is concerned there is no Edinburgh Pentland it is purely a Scottish Parliament seat and has been SNP controlled for nearly 10 years. Ian Murray's UK constituency is Edinburgh South. Not looking for an argument. Edited January 17, 2020 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 17 hours ago, Francis Albert said: I read the book and didn't spot that. Unless mentioning he was Labour "brought politics into it" . If party politics made more than 1% of the book I totally missed it. Near the end. The bit we were discussing earlier on this thread about people supposedly writing to the club saying they'd cancel FoH pledges unless he resigns. Yet even though he said he had the emails/letters and had verified they were genuine pledgers he didn't say how many, which is strange and suggests it was a tiny number. He also, from what I could see, completely failed to mention Salmond's last ditch intervention which was all over the papers at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Standing for the Deputy Leader of Labour. Fair play to him, will probably get beaten by some Corbynite like Long-Baileys flatmate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) On 05/01/2020 at 13:58, Francis Albert said: Islington contains more millionaires per head and far more houses in the multi-million pound bracket than Edinburgh Pentland, contains areas that make Morningside look positively deprived, and returns two Labour MPs with thumping majorities. Edinburgh Pentland is not just Morningside and similar "wealthy" enclaves. Not clear what your last sentence means. Easy to understand as I have stated before to you it depends on your agenda. Edited January 17, 2020 by Independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 17 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Near the end. The bit we were discussing earlier on this thread about people supposedly writing to the club saying they'd cancel FoH pledges unless he resigns. Yet even though he said he had the emails/letters and had verified they were genuine pledgers he didn't say how many, which is strange and suggests it was a tiny number. He also, from what I could see, completely failed to mention Salmond's last ditch intervention which was all over the papers at the time. It might well have been a tiny number but for every one person who acts there will be a proportional number who sympathise with that view. Whatever the actual number, IM would have to take into consideration if his involvement was going to be a positive or a negative. IMO it’s good to see a politician with some sort of self awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Good man, Ian. A couple of years below me at same school. Good, down to earth Hearts supporting Labour man from Wester Hailes. There’s many like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) I can separate a man's politics and religion from the football club he supports provided he does not bring the first two into the latter. As a jambo. Ian does fine by me. My MP is a staunch Livi supporter, it matters not a jot. Edited January 18, 2020 by Tasavallan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 17/01/2020 at 02:11, graygo said: Not important but thought I would point out that as far as the UK parliament is concerned there is no Edinburgh Pentland it is purely a Scottish Parliament seat and has been SNP controlled for nearly 10 years. Ian Murray's UK constituency is Edinburgh South. Not looking for an argument. I don't argue against facts! Thanks for the correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Independence said: Easy to understand as I have stated before to you it depends on your agenda. The statement I questioned was that "Ian Murray depends on nationalist votes just as much as any SNP MP" or words to that that effect. So interpreting it myself, agenda-free, I can only assume yoiu think all Murray's voters were British nationalists and by extension all non-SNP (and non-Green) voters in Scotland are British nationalists. Hard though it must be for some SNP supporters to accept, for many people there are other issues than nationalism, of any sort. Edited January 18, 2020 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 50 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: I don't argue against facts! Thanks for the correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Nice maroon and white tie he had on for the Andrew Marr show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, Steve_Jersey_HMFC said: Nice maroon and white tie he had on for the Andrew Marr show Aye, I clocked that too. If it didn't come from the club shop they are missing a trick!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessjambo Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Wears his FOH badge on tv a lot too I’m a massive fan of Ian’s and I’m an SNP voter - just for the record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 18/01/2020 at 03:36, Francis Albert said: The statement I questioned was that "Ian Murray depends on nationalist votes just as much as any SNP MP" or words to that that effect. So interpreting it myself, agenda-free, I can only assume yoiu think all Murray's voters were British nationalists and by extension all non-SNP (and non-Green) voters in Scotland are British nationalists. Hard though it must be for some SNP supporters to accept, for many people there are other issues than nationalism, of any sort. It's common knowledge that in the current political environment in Scotland, Murray relies on tactical "anyone but the SNP" votes for his seat. Yes, there are other issues for voters. Murray's constituency for example voted Remain by a huge margin, so surely they would vote with the anti-Brexit party? Yet they voted for pro-Brexit Labour. Read any analysis of his seat and you'll see political commentators acknowledge all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argyjambo Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 04/01/2020 at 11:52, davemclaren said: A lot of folk in Edinburgh would argue that Halifax took over BoS. 😄 I concur. as I was a BofS employee at that time. A lot of very capable people in key roles were replaced at that time. Too many of those who stepped into the roles were totally our of their collective depths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, argyjambo said: I concur. as I was a BofS employee at that time. A lot of very capable people in key roles were replaced at that time. Too many of those who stepped into the roles were totally our of their collective depths. Is this thread closed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: It's common knowledge that in the current political environment in Scotland, Murray relies on tactical "anyone but the SNP" votes for his seat. Yes, there are other issues for voters. Murray's constituency for example voted Remain by a huge margin, so surely they would vote with the anti-Brexit party? Yet they voted for pro-Brexit Labour. Read any analysis of his seat and you'll see political commentators acknowledge all this. The Labour party was hardly the anti-Brexit party. It's policy was to renegotiate and agree an inevitably softer Brexit and hold a Peoples Vote on that and remain in which the Labour PM and party leader would be neutral. It was the best bet for stopping Brexit or at the very least greatly reducing the damage of Brexit. Unless you were the only person other than Jo Swinson who thought she would be PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Jessjambo said: Wears his FOH badge on tv a lot too I’m a massive fan of Ian’s and I’m an SNP voter - just for the record Great post and kudos for being reasonable at a time when hate is peoples go to position. Edited January 19, 2020 by SE16 3LN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Maroon tie on question time tonight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart McNeill Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 anyone know where I can get a copy of the book seems like it's currently unavailable on amazon and the clubstore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My half sister Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Jap Jambo said: Maroon tie on question time tonight... Speaking out well whenever he gets a chance, the scary SNP woman is trying to take over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, My half sister said: Speaking out well whenever he gets a chance, the scary SNP woman is trying to take over One of Edinburgh’s finest I believe ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My half sister Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said: One of Edinburgh’s finest I believe ... Yes despite not agreeing with his politics, he comes over as a decent politician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 54 minutes ago, My half sister said: Yes despite not agreeing with his politics, he comes over as a decent politician 😂 you are a ‘cherry picker’!! Hearts vote Watson!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Spoke well whenever he got a chance which was limited due to the bletherer with the green heart representing Braveheart (sorry SNP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Stuart McNeill said: anyone know where I can get a copy of the book seems like it's currently unavailable on amazon and the clubstore I've seen it in Waterstones Princes Street. 2nd floor sports section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 08/01/2020 at 04:26, Meadows said: Sounds very Celtic / Victims all this demonising Yes supporters . FWIW , I enjoyed the book and politics never crossed my mind whilst reading it . As is how it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Congratulations to Ian Murray on his well deserved award. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/edinburgh-south-mp-ian-murray-receives-top-award-book-saving-hearts-fc-1996304 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 The best Best Biography or Memoir by a Parliamentarian. #establishmentclub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obua Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Bravo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just got round to finishing the book and was a very good read. Brought back the whole gripping episode of what we all went through back then. We really could and maybe should have went under........the rest is indeed history. I have been critical of Ann recently like most of us but maybe she deserves a break after everything she has done since first getting on board. let’s appreciate all the hard work that many put in during that awful period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Clerry Jambo said: Just got round to finishing the book and was a very good read. Brought back the whole gripping episode of what we all went through back then. We really could and maybe should have went under........the rest is indeed history. I have been critical of Ann recently like most of us but maybe she deserves a break after everything she has done since first getting on board. let’s appreciate all the hard work that many put in during that awful period. spot on. Also finished the book recently and didn't fully appreciate at the time how seriously close we were to folding and all the hard work by numerous people it took to get us over the line. Puts our current difficulties into perspective Edited March 30, 2020 by maroonsgotop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flem Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Clerry Jambo said: Just got round to finishing the book and was a very good read. Brought back the whole gripping episode of what we all went through back then. We really could and maybe should have went under........the rest is indeed history. I have been critical of Ann recently like most of us but maybe she deserves a break after everything she has done since first getting on board. let’s appreciate all the hard work that many put in during that awful period. I have also just finished this, very good read. Would recommend to all Hearts fans. Couldn't agree more about Ann after reading the book and I have also been critical recently. Wonder how many will get this read during the period of lock down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I had bought this book with the intention of reading it on my summer holiday in July. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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