shaun.lawson Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Taffin said: barring an absolute con from a referee like the last world cup Exhibit A: Exhibit B, from 38:40 here. That's as clear a red card as it's possible to imagine. But as it was against Samoa, who don't count apparently, the ref unbelievably only gave a yellow. For a deliberate stamp on a prone player. Scotland won the match by 3 points. The refereeing was why. Strangely, for some obviously unfathomable reason, no-one in the Scottish media mentioned this... before all hell broke loose the following week, after Scotland lost because of a clodhoppingly stupid call at their own lineout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: Exhibit A: Exhibit B, from 38:40 here. That's as clear a red card as it's possible to imagine. But as it was against Samoa, who don't count apparently, the ref unbelievably only gave a yellow. For a deliberate stamp on a prone player. Scotland won the match by 3 points. The refereeing was why. Strangely, for some obviously unfathomable reason, no-one in the Scottish media mentioned this... before all hell broke loose the following week, after Scotland lost because of a clodhoppingly stupid call at their own lineout. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ You've lost me, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Taffin said: 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ You've lost me, sorry. The "refereeing con" you referred to favoured Scotland against Samoa. No con = no quarter-final place. Just about every Scot out there - including you too, it would seem - didn't even notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: The "refereeing con" you referred to favoured Scotland against Samoa. No con = no quarter-final place. Just about every Scot out there - including you too, it would seem - didn't even notice. What's that got to do with my post or the discussion it was a part of though? I was just saying that bar us being dealt a bad one by a referee like in 2015 )for reference) then we'd have nobody but ourselves to blame for going out. Were Samoa hard done by too? Yes. But it's not really remotely relevant to anything in this instance. Edited September 28, 2019 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: The "refereeing con" you referred to favoured Scotland against Samoa. No con = no quarter-final place. Just about every Scot out there - including you too, it would seem - didn't even notice. What a comical comparison. That ‘knock on’ came during a Scotland penalty advantage on the Samoan 5m line after 73 minutes with Scotland leading. If it’s disallowed, Scotland have another scrum/line out 5m out, still in the lead. The Joubert penalty is just plainly the wrong call, which gave Australia a shot at goal in added time when it should’ve been a Scotland ball which would’ve given us the win. Straw clutching of a magnitude almost unrivalled, even for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Taffin said: What's that got to do with my post or the discussion it was a part of though? I was just saying that bar us being dealt a bad one by a referee like in 2015 )for reference) then we'd have nobody but ourselves to blame for going out. Were Samoa hard done by too? Yes. But it's not really remotely relevant to anything in this instance. Of course it's relevant! Because if Samoa hadn't been very hard done to, Scotland wouldn't have even played Australia in the first place. And the entire "we wuz robbed" narrative would never have happened. In the quarter-final, Scotland played very well... yet fed entirely off Australian mistakes. Scotland produced their best performance in a game of such magnitude in many years, Australia their worst. Yet still, in the pouring rain at the end, the lineout call to go long was astonishing: essentially borne out of Scotland having no experience of being in that position. More broadly: if a team has good luck at one stage in a tournament, it often has bad luck later. England were extremely fortunate to beat Australia in the 2007 quarter-finals, because they missed a very kickable penalty late on. Then France completely choked against us: we didn't do anything really, just let them beat themselves. Then our good luck turned to bad luck as Mark Cueto's try was maybe rightly, maybe wrongly (the TMO was never given a camera angle parallel to the ground, so no-one will ever know for sure) ruled out. Then there was the good luck against Belgium and Cameroon in 1990 turning to bad luck against Germany; or the good luck against Scotland and especially Spain in 1996 turning to bad luck against Germany. It's sport. So often decided on a fraction of an inch. But equally often, we only notice bad decisions against our team; and turn a blind eye when they're in favour. On your original point: I have a very hard time imagining Scotland beating Japan at all now. Their tails are up, the crowd are incredibly into it, Ireland are a clearly better side than Scotland... and unlike 4 years ago, Japan get proper rest between games. A Scotland win in that game would, in my view, be a tremendous achievement. Edited September 28, 2019 by shaun.lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said: What a comical comparison. That ‘knock on’ came during a Scotland penalty advantage on the Samoan 5m line after 73 minutes with Scotland leading. If it’s disallowed, Scotland have another scrum/line out 5m out, still in the lead. Excuse me? An illegal try being wrongly awarded is a 'comical comparison'?! Tell me that one next time Hearts are screwed in Glasgow yet again. And besides: the lack of a red card earlier was a disgusting disgrace which kept Scotland in it. Scotland won the game by 3 points. 7 points for the wrongly awarded try and the failure to punish a disgusting stamp with a red card was why. Edited September 28, 2019 by shaun.lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Great result for Japan, I was cheering them on despite knowing Scotland are going to really struggle to qualify. Even though Ireland beat us, questions regarding Ireland's changing of winning the world cup considering that's two poor games they've had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 minute ago, shaun.lawson said: Of course it's relevant! Because if Samoa hadn't been very hard done to, Scotland wouldn't have even played Australia in the first place. And the entire "we wuz robbed" narrative would never have happened. In the quarter-final, Scotland played very well... yet fed entirely off Australian mistakes. Scotland produced their best performance in a game of such magnitude in many years, Australia their worst. Yet still, in the pouring rain at the end, the lineout call to go long was astonishing: essentially borne out of Scotland having no experience of being in that position. More broadly: if a team has good luck at one stage in a tournament, it often has bad luck later. England were extremely fortunate to beat Australia in the 2007 quarter-finals, because they missed a very kickable penalty late on. Then France completely choked against us: we didn't do anything really, just let them beat themselves. Then our good luck turned to bad luck as Mark Cueto's try was maybe rightly, maybe wrongly (the TMO was never given a camera angle parallel to the ground, so no-one will ever know for sure) ruled out. Then there was the good luck against Belgium and Cameroon in 1990 turning to bad luck against Germany; or the good luck against Scotland and especially Spain in 1996 turning to bad luck against Germany. It's sport. So often decided on a fraction of an inch. But equally often, we only notice bad decisions against our team; and turn a blind eye when it's in favour of it. On your original point: I have a very hard time imagining Scotland beating Japan at all now. Their tails are up, the crowd are incredibly into it, Ireland are a clearly better side than Scotland... and unlike 4 years ago, Japan get proper rest between games. A Scotland win in that game would, in my view, be a tremendous achievement. Weird post but feel free to go off on a tangent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 The Japan win over Ireland now gives Scotland a chance to top the group (3 wins with bonus points), something that certainly didn't look possible in the aftermath of our game against the Irish, but strangely, on the flipside, the Japanese victory also makes our qualification less likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 40 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: Excuse me? An illegal try being wrongly awarded is a 'comical comparison'?! Tell me that one next time Hearts are screwed in Glasgow yet again. And besides: the lack of a red card earlier was a disgusting disgrace which kept Scotland in it. Scotland won the game by 3 points. 7 points for the wrongly awarded try and the failure to punish a disgusting stamp with a red card was why. Conveniently ignore all the context. It’s the football equivalent of scoring a borderline offside goal when you’re already playing an advantage for a penalty. Samoa were 10 points down after the try. That changes al the dynamics. There’s no way of saying they’d come back and score a try like they did. Total strawman argument. You’ve had an absolute nightmare here. Give it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: Exhibit A: It might've been given as a knock-on if the scrum-half touched the ball with his hand. Since that didn't happen - my evidence being that the referee is standing only a few metres away - the try was the correct award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 4 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: Exhibit A: Exhibit B, from 38:40 here. That's as clear a red card as it's possible to imagine. But as it was against Samoa, who don't count apparently, the ref unbelievably only gave a yellow. For a deliberate stamp on a prone player. Scotland won the match by 3 points. The refereeing was why. Strangely, for some obviously unfathomable reason, no-one in the Scottish media mentioned this... before all hell broke loose the following week, after Scotland lost because of a clodhoppingly stupid call at their own lineout. Exhibit A, the ball goes forward off the number 8's foot; therefore no knock on. Perhaps the TMO could have brought it back for a review but that's what he would have seen. What Wilson did deserved the yellow he got. It was no Farrell shoulder barge to the head, though. The call was right. The subtle difference between reckless and dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Still making lenient decisions backing the offending players. 2 yellow card offences given only as penalties. Shocked that Australia are benefitting. Edited September 29, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Wales are looking good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Wales doing okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Still making lenient decisions backing the offending players. 2 yellow card offences given only as penalties. Shocked that Australia are benefitting. Neither were yellows. Then the penalty against Kerevi was absurd. He was tackled high; penalty to the high tackler! The TMO clearly talked Poite into it too. Ridiculous. Wales have certainly been the better side - but not 15 points better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Leading with forearm into a tackle is a penalty as agreed by the experts in the studio. You are allowed to hand off not forearm off. Edited September 29, 2019 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: Neither were yellows. Then the penalty against Kerevi was absurd. He was tackled high; penalty to the high tackler! The TMO clearly talked Poite into it too. Ridiculous. Wales have certainly been the better side - but not 15 points better. They were yellows based on what rugby authorities have been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Barack said: ****ing Australia. Too many mistakes Another mistake - another 3 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 As non rugby fan this is some game, like a very good heavyweight boxing match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Better by Australia. Game on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 It's all Australia now. Wales look spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Wales digging in. Momentum shift. Suddenly Wales looking good for it. Edited September 29, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Great game. Big win for Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Good news is its heading for an Australia v England quarter final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Good, tense game. Dreadful officiating team (including touch judges calling non-existent forward passes, TMOs calling non-existent penalties and Poite making completely random calls). And the better team lost. Edited September 29, 2019 by shaun.lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Bit early but I'll go for the semi finals as Wales v South Africa Australia v New Zealand (Sorry Barack) Edited September 29, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Bit early but I'll go for the semi finals as Wales v South Africa Australia v New Zealand (Sorry Barack) Wales just need to manage bodies for last 2 games and France or Argentina shouldn't be a problem. England will beat first half Aussies, 2nd half tough call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 28/09/2019 at 14:54, Mikey1874 said: Brilliant for Japan and world rugby. Is it? With half a team of kiwis? Farcical imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 44 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Is it? With half a team of kiwis? Farcical imo. Didn't know that. I know Scotland has a fair number of Englishmen, South Africans and New Zealanders now and in teams of the last 30 years. Maybe an issue across the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Meanwhile had missed this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Didn't know that. I know Scotland has a fair number of Englishmen, South Africans and New Zealanders now and in teams of the last 30 years. Maybe an issue across the world. Changing eligibility rules from 3 years to 5 from 2020 re residency. Big teams e.g Australia, are picking off the talent, lining them up even before they are eligible. This means a drop off in competitiveness from for example Samoa and Fiji. Edited September 29, 2019 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: Didn't know that. I know Scotland has a fair number of Englishmen, South Africans and New Zealanders now and in teams of the last 30 years. Maybe an issue across the world. Yeah it’s became a bit of a nonsense tbh. In the past we had people with Scottish roots now you only have to play in the country for a few years and you’re eligible. The japan team is a farce though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I think in the Australia v Fiji game, something like 60% of the starting 30 players were Fijian born, and something like 90% were South Sea Islanders of some sort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Barack said: Think I might move home if Wales get to another Semi-Final. Between the Welsh Media & certain supporters, they're as unbearable as the English. Sometimes more so. You have my sympathies. For English football hype, read Welsh rugby hype. And if fans on websites/forums are anything to go by, unbearable is exactly the word. The following rules apply with them when it comes to Wales at the Rugby World Cup: 1. Wales must always be hyped up before any big game, and their opponents disregarded 2. Any other team being hyped up - including their opponent - is a sign of anti-Welsh bias 3. If Wales win said big game, the beaten opponent must then be hyped up too 4. If anyone questions Wales' performance in any way, it's all a sign of anti-Welsh bias and their 'jealousy' 5. When Wales lose, regardless of the circumstances, they were robbed 6. If, God forbid, England go further than Wales, any win of theirs was achieved by cheating, being 'boring', and was completely undeserved 7. Anyone talking England's chances up is guilty of 'arrogance': including if it's before a meeting with the likes of Namibia, Canada or Scotland 8. If England go further than Wales but do not win the World Cup, they must be laughed at, ridiculed and told how bad they are when they lose: including if defeat comes in the final 9. If England go further than Wales but do win the World Cup, they were outrageously lucky. And the MBEs and open top bus tour are a disgrace 10. As soon as the World Cup is over, it never actually happened, and the only thing that matters is beating England in the Six Nations. Of which there is every chance, cos Wales are amazing and England are terrible. Rinse and repeat. Forever. Edited September 29, 2019 by shaun.lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 10 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Bit early but I'll go for the semi finals as Wales v South Africa Australia v New Zealand (Sorry Barack) Too early. Especially as I don't think Wales will respond well to being clear favourites in their quarter-final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Boof said: my evidence being that the referee is standing only a few metres away Well... my 'evidence' is therefore that Craig Joubert was standing only a couple of metres from where the knock-on happened. Penalty correctly awarded, well done Australia. That is the logic of your argument. Edited September 29, 2019 by shaun.lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: Well... my 'evidence' is therefore that Craig Joubert was standing only a couple of metres from where the knock-on happened. Penalty correctly awarded, well done Australia. That is the logic of your argument. What the **** has that got to do with the Samoa game? Are you unable to admit that you've made a horse's ass of yourself of Wales-Belgium DVD proportions so that you have to try and pick a fault in my argument that was being generous to you? Fair enough how about this for evidence - what you think you saw didn't ****ing happen. Edited September 29, 2019 by Boof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Japan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 A typhoon has been forecast over Kobe/Hyogo for the latter half of this week. Likelihood is that it will either die down or change direction away from here, but it's been mentioned before that if any of the pool games are unable to be played for a typhoon then they automatically go down as a 0-0 draw. Ireland play Russia here in Kobe on Thursday night... Again, unlikely it'll happen but imagine being knocked out because of weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambo in Japan said: A typhoon has been forecast over Kobe/Hyogo for the latter half of this week. Likelihood is that it will either die down or change direction away from here, but it's been mentioned before that if any of the pool games are unable to be played for a typhoon then they automatically go down as a 0-0 draw. Ireland play Russia here in Kobe on Thursday night... Again, unlikely it'll happen but imagine being knocked out because of weather. It must be American rain. Thought Ireland were Scotland. Giruy rain!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Boof said: What the **** has that got to do with the Samoa game? Are you unable to admit that you've made a horse's ass of yourself of Wales-Belgium DVD proportions so that you have to try and pick a fault in my argument that was being generous to you? Fair enough how about this for evidence - what you think you saw didn't ****ing happen. He’s had a nightmare (not for the first time). No doubt he’ll scuttle off for a few months before returning to bless us with his awe inspiring insight into sports psychology, politics, and comparable refereeing decisions. Edited September 30, 2019 by Captain Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohearts Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Crunch game for Scotland. Lose against Samoa, and the spectre of WC qualifiers against the likes of Romania, Spain and Germany looms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Well here we go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I like the drums they play (beat?) before each match. ’mon Scotland - I took a day off work for this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Day off work too, have to say I think Scotland will blow it but I know nothing about rugby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Handling errors stopping all momentum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Such a hard slog. It's like watching Hearts. You just know Samoa will end up winning . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just feel we had to translate the early dominance into more points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Scotland are brutal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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