Japan 2019

[Tazio]

And now Ali Price is flying home injured. One match and two players out. 

[Boof]

4 hours ago, Tazio said:

And now Ali Price is flying home injured. One match and two players out. 

 

FFS - I thought Ali Price gave us a bit of impetus when he came on at the weekend.

[Mikey1874]

 

[shaun.lawson]

Samoa were dreadful v Russia in a violent game. Neither side should be any problem even for this Scotland side. Japan may be another matter though. 

[shaun.lawson]

4 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

Indeed. There's only been one good ref: Paul Williams' handling of England v Tonga was excellent. Barnes was OKish; the rest were shocking. With Angus Gardner's total incompetence throughout France v Argentina the worst of the lot, because it changed the outcome. 

Edited September 24, 2019 by shaun.lawson

[ri Alban]

2 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

Samoa were dreadful v Russia in a violent game. Neither side should be any problem even for this Scotland side. Japan may be another matter though. 

Japan were a flash in the pan because of the little man who now has England powering toward WC success.

[shaun.lawson]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

Japan were a flash in the pan because of the little man who now has England powering toward WC success.

 

We'll see about that. In both cases! 

[ri Alban]

Just now, shaun.lawson said:

 

We'll see about that. In both cases! 

We will indeed!

[shaun.lawson]

On 23/09/2019 at 08:38, Seymour M Hersh said:

Maybe we should start supporting Georgia. Nice strips and all!  

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/nov/17/england-australia-live-autumn-international

 

"And then a massive roar, accompanied by plenty of fireworks, as England turn up. They're dressed as Heart of Midlothian today, in a preposterous maroon get-up".

[Mikey1874]

No idea why the Samoan challenges weren't red cards. 

 

 

 

[shaun.lawson]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

No idea why the Samoan challenges weren't red cards. 

 

 

 

First one's a yellow. The second one's as red as red can ever get. What's he trying to do, decapitate him or something?

 

The answer to your question, though, is simple. Romain Poite. AKA absolute ****ing imbecile. 

[Roxy Hearts]

Some of these Samoan guys are absolute morons. 

[shaun.lawson]

Just now, Roxy Hearts said:

Some of these Samoan guys are absolute morons. 

 

Always have been. Their challenges in the 1995 World Cup quarter-final with South Africa should've had some of them prosecuted, quite frankly. 

 

Goodness knows, the rugby authorities treat the Pacific Islanders abominably badly - and the referee of Fiji's game as good as committed brutal assault against them throughout the second half. But people gloss over stuff like this and romanticise these teams far, far too often. The challenges above are those of violent thugs who shouldn't be anywhere near a rugby pitch.

[Mikey1874]

Maybe will get cited. One anyway. 

[shaun.lawson]

Fiji 27-30 Uruguay. Greatest win in this country's rugby history by a million miles. An unbelievable achievement: most of the players are amateurs. 

 

It was an absolute pleasure to watch. They gave bloody everything, and are heroes no matter what now. This could be the moment rugby goes big time (or at least, semi-big time) here. Small country; huge heart.

[Mikey1874]

3 week ban for this

 

 

[Adam Murray]

The two Samoans have been cited.

So, if they are using the Reece Hodge case as a benchmark, they both should be missing the up and coming Scotland game.

 

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/482506?fbclid=IwAR164VFYc_kpXUM5P05GRQWbjAYC_vAsyFsUFxg48bk-3vovP6_wyEqsnxc

[Mikey1874]

5 hours ago, Adam Murray said:

The two Samoans have been cited.

So, if they are using the Reece Hodge case as a benchmark, they both should be missing the up and coming Scotland game.

 

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/482506?fbclid=IwAR164VFYc_kpXUM5P05GRQWbjAYC_vAsyFsUFxg48bk-3vovP6_wyEqsnxc

 

Yes

 

Expect the same 3 week ban

 

Hopefully the referee gets a ban too

[Jambo in Japan]

A lot can change by the end of the pools. We've had 2 key players sent home through injury already and if we're expecting to beat Japan then we'll need to get through the next two games, particularly Samoa, relatively unscathed. Japan will also have a rest week before the final match whereas we're only getting a few days break. 

 

All of this, combined with the crippling loser's mentality that has infested the SRU for the last 15 years means that, to be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if we come up short.

 

Actually, neutrals will argue that Japan into the quarters will be better for the game worldwide, and us out in the pools might make more chance of a coaching change. Who knows.

[Boof]

6 hours ago, Jambo in Japan said:

Actually, neutrals will argue that Japan into the quarters will be better for the game worldwide, and us out in the pools might make more chance of a coaching change. Who knows.

 

Re the coaching change thing...didn't Townsend work some minor miracles with the Glasgow team?

Could it be he's more suited to club management?

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, Boof said:

 

Re the coaching change thing...didn't Townsend work some minor miracles with the Glasgow team?

Could it be he's more suited to club management?

 

He's not handling the physicality and precision (not making errors) of the top teams.

 

At club level though they are good teams full of internationals that is a lower levels and you can get away more with relying on attacking play with physicality provided by a few foreign often Pacific nation players. 

[I P Knightley]

 

21 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

3 week ban for this

 

 

How it wasn't picked up during the match is a mystery. It's almost as if it was Owen Farrell putting in the challenge. 

[Jambo in Japan]

22 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

He's not handling the physicality and precision (not making errors) of the top teams.

 

At club level though they are good teams full of internationals that is a lower levels and you can get away more with relying on attacking play with physicality provided by a few foreign often Pacific nation players. 

This.

 

There's a big difference between club and international level in Rugby, as with football, but the differences seem amplified in my opinion. Not sure Townsend has adjusted to having his players together only a handful of times throughout the season for only a handful of tests compared to training every week amongst regular weekly fixtures. As mentioned the pro14 gives more margin for error but it's cut-throat at international level.

 

There definitely seems to have been a step taken backwards since the last WC. Under cotter we were getting results against tier 1 nations, and now we seem to have gone back to running them close but ultimately on the wrong side of scorelines.

 

You could argue he needs more time. Jones has had a full world cup cycle, Schmidt more than that, Gatland been at Wales for 10 years, but the other common denominator there is that they are coaches sought from abroad. Born winners imported from elsewhere. Townsend's credible success at Glasgow doesn't mean, for me at least, that it'll translate to international success.

[Mikey1874]

One of the Samoans - Rey Lee-Lo the first one - has had a 3 week ban. The other decision not announced yet. That boy is injured anyway hurting himself in tackle. 

Edited September 27, 2019 by Mikey1874

[Victorian]

Japan looking good enough to be a big problem for Scotland.    

[Cruyff Turn]

What time do Scotland start getting beat at? 

[milky_26]

12 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

What time do Scotland start getting beat at? 

monday at 11:15

[Gulpener]

12 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

What time do Scotland start getting beat at? 

 

Monday, 11.15

[Jambo-Jimbo]

47 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Japan looking good enough to be a big problem for Scotland.    

 

Japan play like they are doing, they'll beat Scotland.

[Bindy Badgy]

Japan into the lead. They'll hammer us.

[Victorian]

Only hope is this is them at 150% and they have a crash vs Scotland.    Just as Ireland have done here.

[Cruyff Turn]

18 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

monday at 11:15

 

18 minutes ago, Gulpener said:

 

Monday, 11.15

Thank you chaps. 👍🏼

[Victorian]

Scotland might win twice but still be practically out before we play Japan.    

[Thommo414]

Think this is it for us tbh. As it stands you've got

 

Japan 9

Samoa 5

Ireland 5

Scotland 0

Russia 0 

 

We play Samoa, Russia and Japan. Need to be taking 14 points from that minimum. Last pool game is against Japan so can only hope they have a tough ride against Samoa and lose a bit of momentum before they play us because Ireland will easily take 10 from the tier 2 nations 

[neilnunb]

The Oirish boy kicking into touch after the gong 🤣

 

GIRFUY!

[Victorian]

I think Scotland are ****ed already unless somehow Japan **** up vs Samoa.

[Roxy Hearts]

Just now, neilnunb said:

The Oirish boy kicking into touch after the gong 🤣

 

GIRFUY!

What was the thicko thinking? Well played Japan. 

[Victorian]

Ireland got a bonus point there.    ****s Scotland up.

 

It's 9-6-5-0-0

Edited September 28, 2019 by Victorian

[manaliveits105]

Shove that up yer backstop 

[Cade]

2 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Shove that up yer backstop 

You are one pathetic individual

[Sooperstar]

10 minutes ago, Barack said:

 

Kicked out for losing BP. Ireland wouldn't have went the full length, & if they'd coughed up possession, Japan only needed 3 points more.

 

Hate to say it, but it was 100% a smart play. Direct from coaches that one.

But surely if Japan had got possession they'd have booted it out themselves?

[Victorian]

Incredible.   We could go out due to a good decision of the world #1 team to kill a game for a losing bonus point vs Japan in only the 2nd pool match.    

 

As unlikely things go,   that would take some beating.

[Roxy Hearts]

34 minutes ago, Barack said:

 

Kicked out for losing BP. Ireland wouldn't have went the full length, & if they'd coughed up possession, Japan only needed 3 points more.

 

Hate to say it, but it was 100% a smart play. Direct from coaches that one.

Forgot about bonus points, cheers. 

[Mikey1874]

At least Scotland helped today by helping take Sexton out of the game. They don't seem to be the same team without him. 

[dobmisterdobster]

I don't think we have played well enough to go through this time.

[Taffin]

59 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Incredible.   We could go out due to a good decision of the world #1 team to kill a game for a losing bonus point vs Japan in only the 2nd pool match.    

 

As unlikely things go,   that would take some beating.

 

The only reason we'll go out is because we aren't good enough to have gone through. We've played one game, it's all still in our own hands. If we can't beat the 3 teams left to play with bonus points then we don't deserve to be in the next round of the world cup.

Edited September 28, 2019 by Taffin

[Victorian]

Just now, Taffin said:

 

The only reason we'll go out because we aren't good enough to have gone through. We've played one game, it's all still in our own hands. If we can't beat the 3 teams left to play with bonus points then we don't deserve to be in the next round of the world cup.

 

I think everyone would agree on that but you've missed the point of the post.    It's just such an unlikely set of events to have occurred so early.

 

Scotland were poor vs Ireland and are generally a bit limited but these events have conspired to almost put Scotland out after one match vs the world ranked #1 side.

 

There's still a chance of course.

[Taffin]

38 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

I think everyone would agree on that but you've missed the point of the post.    It's just such an unlikely set of events to have occurred so early.

 

Scotland were poor vs Ireland and are generally a bit limited but these events have conspired to almost put Scotland out after one match vs the world ranked #1 side.

 

There's still a chance of course.

 

Apologies, I read your post as if we go out in that scenario it will be due to the unlikely circumstances rather than because we didn't take care of three lower ranked teams.

 

We're certainly in a bit of a pickle now but barring an absolute con from a referee like the last world cup I think we'll only have ourselves to blame if we fail to go through.

[Mikey1874]

Brilliant for Japan and world rugby.

[Sooperstar]

4 hours ago, Barack said:

Possibly, but if Ireland cough it up 2 metres out, & Japan could see to it that Ireland's losing BP might knock them out...I'd be asking my players to go for 3 more, minimum.

 

As it is, Schmidt's call has pretty much sent Ireland into the 1/4's.

People should stop taking this rugby lark so seriously. Just go out and have fun.