Sharky999 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Has to be more to this than meets the eye, why on earth no one has taken a chance on this lad is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Dale Cooper Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Sharky999 said: Has to be more to this than meets the eye, why on earth no one has taken a chance on this lad is beyond me. Yeah I remember Ian McCall saying in the Spring on the radio he had a handful of big clubs on both side of the offer enquire about his availability, and he was sure Shankland was heading to a big league. Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 I’m surprised he never made the step up either to the premiership or down south. Maybe his Aberdeen experience has played a part in his decision making. Good luck to him though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Sharky999 said: Has to be more to this than meets the eye, why on earth no one has taken a chance on this lad is beyond me. Maybe a touch of the James Keatings about him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) I think it’s down to the player rather than no one wanting to take a punt on him. He’s allegedly making decent money through his PT stuff and is reluctant to give it up. Maybe easier to continue with Dundee Utd than it would be at hearts/Sunderland etc. Edited July 3, 2019 by Morph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Morph said: I think it’s down to the player rather than no one wanting to take a punt on him. He’s allegedly making decent money through his PT stuff and is reluctant to give it up. Maybe easier to continue with Dundee Utd than it would be at hearts/Sunderland etc. Or alternatively there was little evidence to suggest that the player is good enough, given he previously failed at Scottish Premiership level, and his goalscoring from so far has been in semi professional Scottish League one (Faisal El Baktouhi?) and half a season in the Scottish Championship. I suspect that Dundee United were perhaps the only team offering a guarantee of first team football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Whatever said: Time will tell. I think he’d toil to do it at a higher level. Maybe there’s a reason why he’s signing for Dundee Utd? We shall see. Maybe so, but a 1 year deal on his wages wouldn't have cost us very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Locky said: Maybe so, but a 1 year deal on his wages wouldn't have cost us very much. Whereas Utd are apparently offering a 3 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Whereas Utd are apparently offering a 3 year deal. They'll get a good season out of him in the Championship one would think. From there, it's 2 years in the Premiership he's got to live up to. Can't see past United winning the league this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Locky said: 3 year deal at United reported. Great bit of business for them. How he didn't end up at a Prem side or an English club is mental. Can't help but feel we should've took a punt here. He's just not that good mate, simple as that. If I've seen the flaws in his game I have to assume that professional scouts have too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Martin_T said: Or alternatively there was little evidence to suggest that the player is good enough, given he previously failed at Scottish Premiership level, and his goalscoring from so far has been in semi professional Scottish League one (Faisal El Baktouhi?) and half a season in the Scottish Championship. I suspect that Dundee United were perhaps the only team offering a guarantee of first team football. Just repeating what i've heard. Sunderland were after him as well so it's not like there wasn't interest in him from other places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Morph said: I think it’s down to the player rather than no one wanting to take a punt on him. He’s allegedly making decent money through his PT stuff and is reluctant to give it up. Maybe easier to continue with Dundee Utd than it would be at hearts/Sunderland etc. Surely he’d make more money in football than PT stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscjambo Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Shankland is of a level, not convinced he's a goalscorer in SPFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macros Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Surely he’d make more money in football than PT stuff? A mate of mine was captain of Ayr Utd whilst working as a firefighter and also running an estate agency franchise, he was earning good money and was then approached by Inverness, who were in the Premier League at the time, and there 'offer' to go full time was £200 a week plus bonuses which was a fraction of what he was already earning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Des Lynam said: Surely he’d make more money in football than PT stuff? The chat was he was on a fairly good goal bonus (not sure if this was funded by someone outwith Ayr, seen that mentioned) and doing well with his other business. I think if we were after him we probably didn't think he was worth as much as he was asking for and that's how he's ended up at another championship club. I suppose for some players it will be about taking a job that gives them the best lifestyle they want rather than trying to play at the very highest level possible. All that could be shite i suppose but sounds plausible. I think he looks like a great player and if we're going to sign from the lower leagues it's players like that you want but if he has no real interest then nothing you can really do. If he's not arsed about moving on there's not that much scope to sell him on for a profit either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Dundee united are going for it big time this season so could prob blow out the water some spfl clubs interested. Sunderland were linked but can’t see jack Ross there for the long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, mscjambo said: Shankland is of a level, not convinced he's a goalscorer in SPFL Aye? https://spfl.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 If he is at Dundee United it's because that was the best offer he got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 No way Budge would pay him a 4k basic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: Whereas Utd are apparently offering a 3 year deal. No brainer for the lad 3yr deal vs 1 yr deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, jambopilms said: If he is at Dundee United it's because that was the best offer he got. Have to agree with this as players go for rhe best deal they can get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Morph said: The chat was he was on a fairly good goal bonus (not sure if this was funded by someone outwith Ayr, seen that mentioned) and doing well with his other business. I think if we were after him we probably didn't think he was worth as much as he was asking for and that's how he's ended up at another championship club. I suppose for some players it will be about taking a job that gives them the best lifestyle they want rather than trying to play at the very highest level possible. All that could be shite i suppose but sounds plausible. I think he looks like a great player and if we're going to sign from the lower leagues it's players like that you want but if he has no real interest then nothing you can really do. If he's not arsed about moving on there's not that much scope to sell him on for a profit either. Did we actually put an offer on the table for him? Edited July 3, 2019 by Costa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Costa said: Did we actually put an offer on the table for him? No idea, there was rumoured interest but maybe clear early on it wasn't going to go anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, Smithee said: He's just not that good mate, simple as that. If I've seen the flaws in his game I have to assume that professional scouts have too. Not saying for a second he's gonna be the messiah, but he's still young and on the back of a strong season. In a world where Craig Levein thinks Craig Wighton is worth a 6 figure sum of cash, I'd have though Shankland would've been at least worth a punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Well considering the number of failed punts we've taken over the years maybe it's for the best we didn't on this occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Locky said: Not saying for a second he's gonna be the messiah, but he's still young and on the back of a strong season. In a world where Craig Levein thinks Craig Wighton is worth a 6 figure sum of cash, I'd have though Shankland would've been at least worth a punt. Its surelg the consistency you have to look for in a player too I think we need to look at a similar player to Uche as the bigman wont play every game Shankland aint similar to Uche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Costa said: Its surelg the consistency you have to look for in a player too I think we need to look at a similar player to Uche as the bigman wont play every game Shankland aint similar to Uche Problem with that is if Levein signs some 6 foot 3 striker who's built like a brick shithouse, he'll be blasted as a dinosaur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 46 minutes ago, jambopilms said: If he is at Dundee United it's because that was the best offer he got. I don’t think that the best offer for him necessarily means the best wage. He seems keen to ensure that he’s playing. At a bigger club his game time could have been extremely limited. Heshould get plenty game time at Dundee United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Locky said: Problem with that is if Levein signs some 6 foot 3 striker who's built like a brick shithouse, he'll be blasted as a dinosaur. Well he shouldnt be as a good big guy is worth his weight in Gold especially one who can lead the line well bring others onto play and score goals We cant all be Man City or Liverpool we are in the spfl ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: First competitive game, versus Hearts. Wonder what’s going to happen there ... Guaranteed. Might have been worth signing him just to avoid that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Shankland despite having a ‘great’ goal record on paper actually only scored 5 or 6 goals post January, and even a few of them were penalties. Also yes, he was top scorer but he only finished a few goals ahead of a 36 year old Stephen Dobbie. He’d be a risk for anyone at a higher level tbh, given how shite Morgan was for Sunderland coming from the same level I’m not surprised they didn’t take the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Locky said: Maybe so, but a 1 year deal on his wages wouldn't have cost us very much. agreed compared to some of the dross we have signed recently - he would be been low risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 So he’s chosen DU over Rangers ? Another fable for the ITK’ers bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, DH1986 said: So he’s chosen DU over Rangers ? Another fable for the ITK’ers bin. Is there any evidence (other than this thread) that Hearts / Rangers / Sunderland were actually in for this guy? If so, he's made a weird choice of club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, DH1986 said: So he’s chosen DU over Rangers ? Another fable for the ITK’ers bin. Over Swansea and Sunderland too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: First competitive game, versus Hearts. Wonder what’s going to happen there ... Hearts to win , but shankland first goalscorer ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Fair chance United will have Gauld in also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, iainmac said: Is there any evidence (other than this thread) that Hearts / Rangers / Sunderland were actually in for this guy? If so, he's made a weird choice of club! Exactly my thoughrs sounds as if it was all rubbish that 30 clubs were chasing his signature Why would you choose the arabs it just disnae make any sense at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscjambo Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Aye? https://spfl.co.uk/ Aye Won't do it in the top league..... Dennis Wyness, Gavin Reilly, plenty guys score bundles in the lower league but can't do it in the top league.....thanks for the link but I'll pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Dundee utd surely going to romp the championship next season. If they get gauld they might as well just be given the trophy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Utd look far stronger than those two, particularly in attack. I mean Sow, Clark, McMullan, Shankland and even Cammy Smith would be decent options at spl level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Signed officially for united https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/6126/UNITED-ANNOUNCE-SHANKLAND-SIGNING.html?key=dufc&utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=dundeeunitedfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Remains to be seen but I personally think we’ve missed out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajthejambo Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Apparently he was scouted by a number of clubs who felt he wasn't any better than the level he was at. Apologies if that has already been mentioned on the thread. I heard it second hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 It is a bit weird for a striker to have such an amazing goalscoring record 2 seasons running and have absolutely no takers at a higher level. There must be something putting clubs off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: It is a bit weird for a striker to have such an amazing goalscoring record 2 seasons running and have absolutely no takers at a higher level. There must be something putting clubs off. My thoughts exactly. The fact is we've got in Washington, Walker and (probably) Naismith instead who have all played at higher levels is reassuring however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza Cuore Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I think it's a good fit. Shankland looking to play at a higher level but a bit reticent to go the Premier too soon and blow it. United seem the perfect fit as a potential Premier team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: It is a bit weird for a striker to have such an amazing goalscoring record 2 seasons running and have absolutely no takers at a higher level. There must be something putting clubs off. That is my thoughts too. Apparently he's a wee ned but it's never stopped Scottish clubs in the past tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 If he was as good as some people think - he wouldn’t just have signed for Dundee United. Take that to the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Put your money on United winning that league at long last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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