RudiHMFC Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: On that basis, was our penalty in the the 2012 final a mistake, as the defender did not initiate contact and it was merely Suso's trailing leg that caught the boot of the defender? Well, Yes. It's beyond me why any football fan would think that was a legitimate penalty last night, can't even be arsed going in to it in detail but it's just not a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, RudiHMFC said: Well, Yes. It's beyond me why any football fan would think that was a legitimate penalty last night, can't even be arsed going in to it in detail but it's just not a penalty. So was it a penalty in 2012? Seemed like Kujabi was running in a straight line - as was Suso - the defender made no attempt to tackle but Suso's heel caught Kujabi's foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I'm going to go a wee bit against the grain here. To me the American keeper moved off her line before Houghton struck the ball. Surprised no one else has picked this up and asked why VAR didn't insist on a retake alla France v Nigeria and Scotland v Argentina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) Guarantee you wouldn’t see that VAR review that way if it was Hearts or Scotland. Outside the box of the ref sees that it’s a free kick therefore it’s a penalty - see loads of free kicks for that sort of thing every weekend during the season. Prevented from taking a shot because of the foot of another player making contact with player and not ball. Edited July 3, 2019 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, John Findlay said: I'm going to go a wee bit against the grain here. To me the American keeper moved off her line before Houghton struck the ball. Surprised no one else has picked this up and asked why VAR didn't insist on a retake alla France v Nigeria and Scotland v Argentina. Watched it again and her foot is on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Surely you wanted England to win not only against the USA but the final as well? If they had imagine every time the men's team played, the commentators could not once refer back to then winning a WC in 1966 without a backlash. They would have to take the default position of saying the woman won in 2019 or try and get round it somehow. They would just keep digging and digging and making the hole bigger and bigger. Then it would get better because it would have shown that a team of vastly lesser paid players winning a major event in the modern era when the multi million pound untouchables keep on failing time after time. It would have been great to hear them get out of that one. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Watched it again and her foot is on the line. I disagree. The camera right behind the goal she is well off her line for me. More than Lee Alexander against Argentina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: So was it a penalty in 2012? Seemed like Kujabi was running in a straight line - as was Suso - the defender made no attempt to tackle but Suso's heel caught Kujabi's foot. Spot on, never a foul. Kujabi’s arm was travelling in a straight line. Suso’s jersey intiated the contact by wrapping itself around Kujabi’s hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, John Findlay said: I'm going to go a wee bit against the grain here. To me the American keeper moved off her line before Houghton struck the ball. Surprised no one else has picked this up and asked why VAR didn't insist on a retake alla France v Nigeria and Scotland v Argentina. She had part of her foot still on the line. No issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, John Findlay said: I disagree. The camera right behind the goal she is well off her line for me. More than Lee Alexander against Argentina. She very deliberately leaves one foot behind on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: Spot on, never a foul. Kujabi’s arm was travelling in a straight line. Suso’s jersey intiated the contact by wrapping itself around Kujabi’s hand. It is the kick on the back of Suso's foot that brings him down. Don't worry, i still think it was a penalty, as it was last night for England. Edited July 3, 2019 by Nookie Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: Spot on, never a foul. Kujabi’s arm was travelling in a straight line. Suso’s jersey intiated the contact by wrapping itself around Kujabi’s hand. Was about to say this. You can argue all day long as to whether our penalty in 2012 was a foul outside the box for a shirt pull or inside for the trip. Not a single Hearts fan I know doesn’t accept that the first contact was when Kujabi hauled Suso’s shirt outside the box. If he hadn’t committed that offence the foul would not have continued and the trip inside the box wouldn’t have happened. Whichever foul you give, Kujabi initiates it and was going to receive a second booking, meaning the penalty did not influence the outcome of the match, just like last night. On second thoughts, we may have been less lenient on Hibs and scored even more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Shaggy2 said: Was about to say this. You can argue all day long as to whether our penalty in 2012 was a foul outside the box for a shirt pull or inside for the trip. Not a single Hearts fan I know doesn’t accept that the first contact was when Kujabi hauled Suso’s shirt outside the box. If he hadn’t committed that offence the foul would not have continued and the trip inside the box wouldn’t have happened. Whichever foul you give, Kujabi initiates it and was going to receive a second booking, meaning the penalty did not influence the outcome of the match, just like last night. On second thoughts, we may have been less lenient on Hibs and scored even more! So it should have been a free kick outside the box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: So it should have been a free kick outside the box? Thats exactly what you’re welcome to debate, all day long. Do you give the first foul or the second? The referee decided to try and play advantage and he committed the second foul, which would not have occurred if Suso had been able to run away from him. The debate about in the last few posts was about who initiated contact. Suso certainly never initiated the trip and neither did White last night, to be fair, as neither could see their opponent. The only difference is that the USA girl never had a hold of a jersey and the contact was due to a natural running motion versus the less natural shape in the act of shooting. I’d be after a penalty if it was Hearts or Scotland. Neither were anything like Edouard’s dive in the final as he had Bobby’s whole body to aim at to manufacture a foul. Edited July 3, 2019 by Shaggy2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Shaggy2 said: Thats exactly what you’re welcome to debate, all day long. Do you give the first foul or the second? The referee decided to try and play advantage and he committed the second foul, which would not have occurred if Suso had been able to run away from him. The debate about in the last few posts was about who initiated contact. Suso certainly never initiated the trip and neither did White last night, to be fair, as neither could see their opponent. The only difference is that the USA girl never had a hold of a jersey and the contact was due to a natural running motion versus the less natural shape in the act of shooting. I’d be after a penalty if it was Hearts or Scotland. Neither were anything like Edouard’s dive in the final as he had Bobby’s whole body to aim at to manufacture a foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said: So it should have been a free kick outside the box? If a foul is initiated outside the box but continues inside a pen can be given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Can someone please add Morgan's tea drinking image as a new emoji? Let's bring kickback up into the 20th century for equality..........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 People getting upset about the tea drinking. Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said: Can someone please add Morgan's tea drinking image as a new emoji? Let's bring kickback up into the 20th century for equality..........? I second this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portable Badger Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Justin Z said: ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Guarantee you wouldn’t see that VAR review that way if it was Hearts or Scotland. Outside the box of the ref sees that it’s a free kick therefore it’s a penalty - see loads of free kicks for that sort of thing every weekend during the season. Prevented from taking a shot because of the foot of another player making contact with player and not ball. White swung her leg back to get a shot in but clipped the defender's leg in doing so. Is the defender not allowed to be so near her ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoof.hearted Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Semi was on tv as I passed lounge. Score was 1-1, corner kick to England. Sat and watched corner being taken ...ball went straight into crowd behind goals. Got up and walked out. Women's football is eye bleedsingly garbage. Like watching boys under 10's. Laboured, slow & powder puff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Jamboelite said: If a foul is initiated outside the box but continues inside a pen can be given. Pospisil in the 2006 semi-final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Had that incident been mirrored at other end and USA were awarded the penalty then BBC would have been in meltdown. The Hand of God would be old news and this would be the new greatest injustice ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, hoof.hearted said: Sat and watched corner being taken ...ball went straight into crowd behind goals. And you've never seen that happen in the Scottish Premiership? (or any other men's league for that matter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 13 hours ago, Zlatanable said: England teams seem to lack the killer/champions mindset. They were close. IF they scored that penalty, could been a different result. USA are so good. I can't see them losing to either Netherlands or Sweden. Ellen White the top scorer with the 'glasses' won't take penalties. Too nervous they were saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, TexasAndy said: Had that incident been mirrored at other end and USA were awarded the penalty then BBC would have been in meltdown. The Hand of God would be old news and this would be the new greatest injustice ever. Sue Smith, Pearce's sidekick, said it wasn't a penalty then changed her mind after seeing it for the umpteenth time. White missed the ball through no fault of the defender and justice was done in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, hoof.hearted said: Semi was on tv as I passed lounge. Score was 1-1, corner kick to England. Sat and watched corner being taken ...ball went straight into crowd behind goals. Got up and walked out. Women's football is eye bleedsingly garbage. Like watching boys under 10's. Laboured, slow & powder puff Ooooh. Edgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 50 minutes ago, Hackney Hearts said: And you've never seen that happen in the Scottish Premiership? (or any other men's league for that matter) To be fair, it was particularly atrocious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambosteve1902 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 watching it just to see Alex Morgans worth it, for 30 she is a delightful piece of art ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Sue Smith, Pearce's sidekick, said it wasn't a penalty then changed her mind after seeing it for the umpteenth time. White missed the ball through no fault of the defender and justice was done in the end. Had it on briefly and said to my mate it was never a pen. So justice prevailed in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 The “ lionesses” not happy with USA 2 nd goal celebration - imitating drinking.tea ! quuite funny Typical engurland bad winners bad losers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: My problem with the penalty was that while you describe the US player as "clipping" her leg I thought it was in the act of shooting the English girl hit the US girls leg. Now I've not studied it in great detail just my thoughts on seeing it a couple of times. My point it if you make contact with the defender who is standing or in a position they are entitled to be in should it be a penalty? For me it was similar (although completely accidental) to players flicking their legs out to make contact with goalies in the box a la Eduard in the cup final. Yup. Softest penalty imaginable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, hoof.hearted said: Semi was on tv as I passed lounge. Score was 1-1, corner kick to England. Sat and watched corner being taken ...ball went straight into crowd behind goals. Got up and walked out. Women's football is eye bleedsingly garbage. Like watching boys under 10's. Laboured, slow & powder puff Watching kids playing football can be very entertaining. Obviously not to be compared with professional football, but still nice to watch. That's the way I feel about yesterday's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: White swung her leg back to get a shot in but clipped the defender's leg in doing so. Is the defender not allowed to be so near her ? The defender one way or another impeded her, made contact and didn’t win or touch the ball. More of a penalty than Edouard’s IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 Anyway Toodle Pip England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, hoof.hearted said: Semi was on tv as I passed lounge. Score was 1-1, corner kick to England. Sat and watched corner being taken ...ball went straight into crowd behind goals. Got up and walked out. Women's football is eye bleedsingly garbage. Like watching boys under 10's. Laboured, slow & powder puff You mean not a single Hearts corner went like that last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: The “ lionesses” not happy with USA 2 nd goal celebration - imitating drinking.tea ! quuite funny Typical engurland bad winners bad losers Is it just me that finds this patter that's all over the papers absolutely chronic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Der Kaiser said: Can someone please add Morgan's tea drinking image as a new emoji? Let's bring kickback up into the 20th century for equality..........? Needs to be smaller and get a proper name to be an official emoji - but I like it. More so now that the BBC and England folk are raging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, Boof said: Needs to be smaller and get a proper name to be an official emoji - but I like it. More so now that the BBC and England folk are raging! They don't like it up them captain Mainwaring. Those English lady footballers. They don't like it up them. ...or do they???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, John Findlay said: They don't like it up them captain Mainwaring. Those English lady footballers. They don't like it up them. ...or do they???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Anyway Toodle Pip England That what their celebration was. That's quite good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portable Badger Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, Marvin said: That what their celebration was. That's quite good You can tell that Alex lacks proper breeding. If she was used to drinking tea out of a bone China cup then she would only require the thumb and forefinger to grasp the handle while leaving the remaining three fingers free to point outward. Ah well I'll just have to suffer a 'bit of rough' then !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gordons Gloves Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 hours ago, hoof.hearted said: Semi was on tv as I passed lounge. Score was 1-1, corner kick to England. Sat and watched corner being taken ...ball went straight into crowd behind goals. Got up and walked out. Women's football is eye bleedsingly garbage. Like watching boys under 10's. Laboured, slow & powder puff Ha! You kidding yeah? The game yesterday was a really good watch with a skill level that i'd love to see in Scottish football. As for powder puff, aye, sure it was, some great meaty challenges going in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Top celebration tbf. The seeth it has drawn is particularly pleasing. Holland to win tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 23/06/2019 at 22:07, Mikey1874 said: Brazil player hurt from hitting 50 yard shot. Unlucky. Did she break a nail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Anyway Toodle Pip England The new world wide troll for England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, trotter said: Is it just me that finds this patter that's all over the papers absolutely chronic? It is chronic And we now know they have a centre forward who is scared to take penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) BBC 1 now should be good. England update before the second semi final. 12 million watched last night's game here on TV. Edited July 3, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Missed penalty still looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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