From the Heart

[Buffalo Bill]

This is where the argument falls down.

 

Does it have to be a big protest? Does it have to be a big campaign?

 

The biggest statement the individual Hearts supporter can make is to keep their money in their pocket. does it affect Romanov? Not when 1 or 2 do it but it does have an effect when 3,4 or 5 thousand do it.

 

Remember that only 2 or 3 weeks ago you yourself were speaking of serious unrest if Hearts appointed another 'nobody' manager. As you have your ST and don't have the option of keeping your money in your pocket, what do you have in mind should this appointment come to fruition?

 

 

I'm not sure if you've read any of the posts where I said I support those who have not renewed but just for the record (again) - I support those who chose not to renew. I have friends who haven't renewed. I respect and understand their decision. I'm not how many more times I have to write this before getting a tatto on my forehead.

 

My point is (again), that I think it's far too easy (and flawed) for people to sit behind a computer and tell Hearts fans not to renew. I cite the Irvine Jambo case: he was filling youngsters heads full of SNP crap, and boasting of being a millionaire for anyone willing to take it all in.

 

He was a fake.

 

Now I'm not saying our friend here (on this thread) is a fake: but I'm saying he could be. In my humble opinion, if you want to influence others into not renewing, then I believe you should do so in person. There were loads of games last season where the atmosphere was ripe for demos, protests, leaflets etc. There are lots of places where this can take place.

 

How many times did it happen? Not once.

 

Why should I or anyone else listen to a faceless avatar?

 

I would actually admire anyone who took a public stance. It doesn't have to be a concert in Hyde Park. But I think it has to be done in person, in the real world - the place where I live, socialise and support HMFC.

 

With regards to me and my season ticket: yes, I predict a terrible atmosphere at Tynecastle in the first game if a proper manager is not in place. It's just a prediction mate. I might be wrong.

 

What will I do?

 

I'll do whatever the hell I see fit; be that boo, shout, clap, laugh, cry, get up, walk out, stay away or protest.

 

But I'd never tell you what to do.

 

And no one on Kickback will ever tell me.

 

So where exactly does my argument fall down?

 

 

Buffalo Bill

 

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[Buffalo Bill]

Keeping my Dosh in me pocket, this is the smallest bit of pressure an individual needs to make, but collectively it would be enough drive this nutter out and return our club to sanity.

 

Cash, cash, cash; just cash.

 

 

So what did you about influencing the 9,000 who did renew apart from blaming them all on here?

 

For someone with such strong views, what did you actually do about it?

 

 

Might I suggest, nothing?

 

 

Buffalo Bill

 

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[djf]

Actually, because we'll never meet (I dont like you and you dont like me, and we dont drink in the same pubs remember) I cant see how else i will tell you that you are wrong.

 

Because you are

 

And when the plug gets pulled, remember our little exchange, and accept at least 1/9000 of the blame

 

Of course if Romanov does appoint a manager, allow him to manage and success follows you won't bother to return to Tynecastle as you clearly were not part of the hardcore faithful who convinced him that the club had the backing to succeed even through the tough times?

 

Your argument is one giant fallacy.

 

Oh and get over yourself.

[djf]

If the sum of your efforts to "saving" the club you claim to love was refusing to renew your season ticket then you have no right to take the moral high ground over other Hearts fans.

[The Old Tolbooth]

I can stay silent no longer. I did buy a season ticket this season more out of tradition than enthusiasm to see the crap we are being served. So in that respect I along with 9000 other people are seen to be supporting Romanov. Bull###t. Its Hearts I support not some tin pot megalomaniac from some European footballing back water. Because I bought my ticket does not mean he has my support or my respect.

 

We are now at a serious crossroads. Can we continue to watch what is happening, the team being ripped apart to promote Lithuanian, Portuguese and Chilean journey men with no loyalty or feeling for the club or its social standing? Or do we try to make clear our fear for the club and its long term future?

Can we watch the likes of Frail, Mann, (Ogilvie ?) as well as countless players being booted because they cannot comply with Romanovs agenda?

 

We are continually chasing the carrot he offers such as new stand, a new manager, good players and anything else his cohorts suggest will keep the masses quiet for a while.

 

We are a divided bunch with some saying wait a while longer others saying how long can we afford to wait. The sad thing is we may have waited too long. Can we not all agree that our team has little chance of success as there is no managerial guidance. There are too many average players at best and too many crap players on average.

 

Can we not agree that we have little chance of changing things unless we unite and boycott games or merchandise, or sing our hearts out at every game against the current regime. These are hardly radical ideas but en mass may make a difference and may actually be heard back in Kaunas.

 

I have first hand experience of working within a Lithuanian controlled business and agree there are only two ways of doing things, their way or not at all.

 

I have been a member of Kickback for a number of years and do not post very often, this does not mean I am a Hobo or Romanov apologist.

 

Rant over and all comments welcome. I expect abuse as well as support so bring it on!

 

A cracking post Gooders!

 

I'm one who hasn't renewed yet, and probably won't if I don't get a satisfactory result from the mad one, however I've also made it perfectly clear on here that I refuse to knock people who have renewed because I fully understand why (it cuts me to the quick not renewing but I feel like it's my way of making an impact).

 

I feel you have summed up the feelings of both renewers and non renewers, and we shouldn't be fighting with each other over this, but should be trying to knock our heads together and come up with a way in which we call all pull together.

[Corrie Jambo]

Romanov does thing differently but if gets us a good manager and we are up challenging again we will all be delighted.

 

There is a (good) chance that this will happen.

 

He is very frustrating and cost us a top 6 place last season and Europe the season before and probably cost us the league when getting rid of Burley.

 

He wants to be loved and he wants to be in charge.

 

There is another man who's team are in West London who doesn't get anywhere near the abuse that Romanov get from the press and supporters. He sacked one of the best managers in the world and may have deliberatley cost his team the Champions League and the Premiership last season by bringing in his own Rix (Grant).

 

I give you Mr Abramovich. Mourinho was sacked for not doing what he was told.

 

Tell me the difference between the two?

[virgilhiltz]

If the sum of your efforts to "saving" the club you claim to love was refusing to renew your season ticket then you have no right to take the moral high ground over other Hearts fans.

 

Yes, well i have for months been planning to recruit a team of 'wild geese' mercenaries with a view to going over to Lithuania, storming the head office of UKIO and holding the banks board to ransom, demanding the safe return of our great institution.

 

Anyhow, only takes one marble to burst a bawbag, eh?

[The Mighty Thor]

I'm not sure if you've read any of the posts where I said I support those who have not renewed but just for the record (again) - I support those who chose not to renew. I have friends who haven't renewed. I respect and understand their decision. I'm not how many more times I have to write this before getting a tatto on my forehead.

 

My point is (again), that I think it's far too easy (and flawed) for people to sit behind a computer and tell Hearts fans not to renew. I cite the Irvine Jambo case: he was filling youngsters heads full of SNP crap, and boasting of being a millionaire for anyone willing to take it all in.

 

He was a fake.

 

Now I'm not saying our friend here (on this thread) is a fake: but I'm saying he could be. In my humble opinion, if you want to influence others into not renewing, then I believe you should do so in person. There were loads of games last season where the atmosphere was ripe for demos, protests, leaflets etc. There are lots of places where this can take place.

 

How many times did it happen? Not once.

 

Why should I or anyone else listen to a faceless avatar?

 

I would actually admire anyone who took a public stance. It doesn't have to be a concert in Hyde Park. But I think it has to be done in person, in the real world - the place where I live, socialise and support HMFC.

 

With regards to me and my season ticket: yes, I predict a terrible atmosphere at Tynecastle in the first game if a proper manager is not in place. It's just a prediction mate. I might be wrong.

 

What will I do?

 

I'll do whatever the hell I see fit; be that boo, shout, clap, laugh, cry, get up, walk out, stay away or protest.

 

But I'd never tell you what to do.

 

And no one on Kickback will ever tell me.

 

So where exactly does my argument fall down?

 

 

Buffalo Bill

 

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BB you've got the wrong end of the stick mate. (or i haven't made it clear) I said THE argument and not your argument.

 

YOU and i have traded posts on this before and we're of the same opinion. Renew if you want and if you don't then don't. There's no right or wrong in it. It's the choice of the individual. We're agreed on that.

 

My point is/was that no matter how much we all stamp our feet, on here or in public, Romanov ain't listening. He isn't about to alter course. Not now, not ever. That's his character type.

 

JKB is full of righteous posters on the season ticket issue on both sides and all said and done 9,000 renewed and 4,000 didn't and both sides probably feel they've done the right thing.

 

Our friend in this thread has made a few salient points lost in amongst a whole lot of Irvine Jambo-esque self importance.

 

Your probably right, you shouldn't listen to any of the faceless wonders on here. me included.

 

 

As for listenin

[shaun.lawson]

Romanov does thing differently but if gets us a good manager and we are up challenging again we will all be delighted.

 

There is a (good) chance that this will happen.

 

He is very frustrating and cost us a top 6 place last season and Europe the season before and probably cost us the league when getting rid of Burley.

 

He wants to be loved and he wants to be in charge.

 

There is another man who's team are in West London who doesn't get anywhere near the abuse that Romanov get from the press and supporters. He sacked one of the best managers in the world and may have deliberatley cost his team the Champions League and the Premiership last season by bringing in his own Rix (Grant).

 

I give you Mr Abramovich. Mourinho was sacked for not doing what he was told.

 

Tell me the difference between the two?

 

Hmm. Apart from over ?200m spent on players, the recent appointment of a world class manager, two league titles, two League Cups, a CL final and three semi-finals, and a club which clearly prioritises a successful team and winning trophies above anything else, the answer is nothing.

 

Meanwhile, given the team has been going backwards ever since VR got full control and Burley left, we aren't prepared to fund the wages which paid for quality signings under GB, every decent player to have since exited has been replaced by an inferior one, and that, over 32 months on, we still haven't appointed a truly credible manager, how on earth do you reach the conclusion that there's a good chance of getting a good manager and challenging again under Romanov's watch? Can I have some of what you're clearly taking?

[virgilhiltz]

Romanov does thing differently but if gets us a good manager and we are up challenging again we will all be delighted.

 

There is a (good) chance that this will happen.

 

He is very frustrating and cost us a top 6 place last season and Europe the season before and probably cost us the league when getting rid of Burley.

 

He wants to be loved and he wants to be in charge.

 

There is another man who's team are in West London who doesn't get anywhere near the abuse that Romanov get from the press and supporters. He sacked one of the best managers in the world and may have deliberatley cost his team the Champions League and the Premiership last season by bringing in his own Rix (Grant).

 

I give you Mr Abramovich. Mourinho was sacked for not doing what he was told.

 

Tell me the difference between the two?

 

 

Surest signs of a psychotic megalomaniac if u ask me.

[Le Chat]

Surest signs of a psychotic megalomaniac if u ask me.

 

No question about it.

 

The boy's a fecking fruit loop.

[Buffalo Bill]

BB you've got the wrong end of the stick mate. (or i haven't made it clear) I said THE argument and not your argument.

 

YOU and i have traded posts on this before and we're of the same opinion. Renew if you want and if you don't then don't. There's no right or wrong in it. It's the choice of the individual. We're agreed on that.

 

My point is/was that no matter how much we all stamp our feet, on here or in public, Romanov ain't listening. He isn't about to alter course. Not now, not ever. That's his character type.

 

JKB is full of righteous posters on the season ticket issue on both sides and all said and done 9,000 renewed and 4,000 didn't and both sides probably feel they've done the right thing.

 

Our friend in this thread has made a few salient points lost in amongst a whole lot of Irvine Jambo-esque self importance.

 

Your probably right, you shouldn't listen to any of the faceless wonders on here. me included.

 

 

As for listenin

 

Apologies!

 

 

Buffalo Bill

 

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[Coco]

BB you've got the wrong end of the stick mate. (or i haven't made it clear) I said THE argument and not your argument.

 

YOU and i have traded posts on this before and we're of the same opinion. Renew if you want and if you don't then don't. There's no right or wrong in it. It's the choice of the individual. We're agreed on that.

 

My point is/was that no matter how much we all stamp our feet, on here or in public, Romanov ain't listening. He isn't about to alter course. Not now, not ever. That's his character type.

 

JKB is full of righteous posters on the season ticket issue on both sides and all said and done 9,000 renewed and 4,000 didn't and both sides probably feel they've done the right thing.

 

Our friend in this thread has made a few salient points lost in amongst a whole lot of Irvine Jambo-esque self importance.

 

Your probably right, you shouldn't listen to any of the faceless wonders on here. me included.

 

 

As for listenin

 

I think that whether a few fans renew or not will not make any difference. They would simply become traitors.

 

No the only time when the course will be turned is if the financing situation at UBIG is squeezed and they run out of money.

 

Then the really interesting time at Hearts would begin. Would VR scorch the earth and try to claw back everything that he could by selling Tynecastle for whatever it would raise - ?15m?. Or would he take the financial hit on Hearts and sell it on as a going concern?

[Corrie Jambo]

Hmm. Apart from over ?200m spent on players, the recent appointment of a world class manager, two league titles, two League Cups, a CL final and three semi-finals, and a club which clearly prioritises a successful team and winning trophies above anything else, the answer is nothing.

 

Meanwhile, given the team has been going backwards ever since VR got full control and Burley left, we aren't prepared to fund the wages which paid for quality signings under GB, every decent player to have since exited has been replaced by an inferior one, and that, over 32 months on, we still haven't appointed a truly credible manager, how on earth do you reach the conclusion that there's a good chance of getting a good manager and challenging again under Romanov's watch? Can I have some of what you're clearly taking?

 

Shaun - I had read too much negativity last night about Romanov and wanted to put a bit perspective on things. I know he is frustrating but we could challenge again.

 

Nobody can deny that Abramovitch put an inept oaf in charge of his team once he hasd sacked the special one which resulted in them missing out on the two biggest prizes last year - and yet the press and supporters do not berate him. I grant you he has rectified it a bit with Scolari.

 

The start under Burley is the most excited time I have had supporting Hearts and the 1-0 against Rangers is the ONLY time I have went to a match against one of the Old Firm where I knew we would win.

 

This can come back to us with the right conditions. A good manager and a leader of men on the pitch. Get rid of the dross.

 

When can you say in the recent history of Hearts that we have two world class players Kingston and Pinilla (if he ever gets fit).

 

C'mon the Maroon Marauders!

[Pilmuir]

Sorry to see Jambos arguing with each other on this forum. We are all united in a common desire to see Hearts do well and we should save our energies for that purpose. It makes no difference who has bought a season ticket and who has not. Either way, the owners of Hearts have no interest in our views and are clueless on how to run the club. We have gone beyond a laughing stock and now the integrity of the club is being questioned. The lamentable treatment of Steve Frail was the final straw for a lot of people outside the club.

 

There were concerns about Vlad when he first joined us. However, he was the only show in town and we hoped for the best. The writing was on the wall when Burley & Co were shown the door. Since then it has all been downhill.

 

What do we do about it? Does anyone believe a walkout or protest will cut any ice? Forget it. We are relying on someone persuading Vlad to sell the club and starting again. Any ideas? Let's just hope we don't lose all our good players and staff in the meantime.