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I'm glad to watch all of this unfold, there'll always be a massive response when a state is directly attacked from within.

I want to see him realise he's ****ed.

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Trump making a tit of himself (as usual) by sending a 14 page letter to the Jan 6th committee ranting about their poor TV ratings and how the election was stolen and how the committee is a radical left conspiracy

 

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9 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Nancy Pelosi less calm here than on the other videos. Hopefully see the whole one.

 

 

😆 Oh I'd have enjoyed seeing that!

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1 minute ago, Cade said:

Trump making a tit of himself (as usual) by sending a 14 page letter to the Jan 6th committee ranting about their poor TV ratings and how the election was stolen and how the committee is a radical left conspiracy

 

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Honestly think they should goad Trump as running scared from the committee. Big feartie Trump, Donald Dumb,  well something far better than that, but turning his trick aganst him, Lyin' Hilary, Sleepy Jo, Paedo Pence that kinda thing

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I'm trying to imagine the devastation if they hadn't stopped Trump going tp the Capitol. How would they have stopped this mob if he were at the front of it looking for Mike Pence? Shoot him?

 

Personally I would have liked that, ideal solution. I think Pelosi may have shot him herself.

 

New footage shows congressional leaders, on both sides of the aisle, scrambling to secure the Capitol on January 6th

 

 

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Trump always screaming it's a pack of lies, witch hunt, blah blah blah. Okay Dopey, answer the subpoena, give us the real story.

 

If I were being set up like that I would be demanding they listen to my version. Answer all their questions to clear myself.

 

'What Kind Of Snowflake Is Donald Trump?': Raskin Calls Out Trump To Answer Subpoena

 

 

 

 

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Michael Cohen: Trump’s 14-Page Letter Defending Response To Capitol Attack Is ‘Insane’

 

Former President Trump defended his response to the attack on the Capitol a day after the January 6th Committee voted to subpoena him. Former Trump attorney Michael Cohen says “he’s not showing up under any circumstance.”

 

 

 

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The Decades-Long Saga of How the GOP Went Crazy - It didn't start with Trump

 

Many have bolstered the notion that the current GOP, with its cultlike embrace of Trump and his Big Lie, and its acceptance of the fringiest players, is a break from the past. But was the GOP’s complete surrender to Trumpism an aberration? Or was the party long sliding toward this point?

 

 

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This guy is speaking of a Washington Post article which he and maybe the Post, I don't know I haven't read the article, seem to consider the final nail in Trumps coffin regarding the documents case.

 

There Is An Informer Inside Donald Trump's Home

 

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell analyzes new reporting from The Washington Post that an employee of Donald Trump’s told federal investigators that they were ordered by the former president to move boxes containing government documents to Trump’s private residence at Mar-a-Lago after Trump was subpoenaed by the Justice Department for those documents.

 

 

 

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This is a link to a pdf copy of Trump's 14 page letter in response to the committee and this truly is deranged right from the opening paragraph. Hell right from the opening line.

 

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Dear Chairman Thompson,

 

THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2020 WAS RIGGED AND STOLEN!

 

 

Trump thinks all caps and exclamation marks are powerful stuff, but it rapidly gets even crazier. If I were ranting like this and didn't actually end up on a psych ward i'm certain people around me would be thinking I should be for my own good.

 

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/27/27b7896f-01c5-4609-93c7-742e5cb22e96/830-am-final-january-6th-committee-letter14446.pdf?_nlid=test123&_nhids=TEST

 

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Trump closed his letter to Thompson by defending the rioters as “great American patriots” who questioned the election results, even as the Justice Department has prosecuted numerous members of the mob for their actions that day.


“The people of this Country will not stand for unequal justice under the law, or Liberty and Justice for some. Election Day is coming. We demand answers on the Crime of the Century,” Trump wrote.

 

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Biden reportedly going to promise to enshrine Row/Wade in law if the democrats win the mid-terms

 

:interehjrling: Could be an election winner, right there.

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Massive thank you to the contributors on this thread.

 

It educated me and allowed me to appear nuanced and knowledgeable about USA politics during my early online relationship with @dorothy , and allowed us to come closer together.

 

Tomorrow I fly to Kansas and finally get to marry her.

 

My deepest thanks guys.

 

Not sure how i feel about going to America now.,  Three years ago it was sort of a promised land.  Now i dont know if im going to be arrested for speaking out cos im going to a red state.

 

And jeez have the authorities made it hard - is prolly going to end up 10k in charges to get her over her.  Solicitor was expensive - I even have to provide chat history , bills and photos for her to come back over here as my wife.

 

But main thing is she will be, thanks to kickback in part, so thank you

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5 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

Massive thank you to the contributors on this thread.

 

It educated me and allowed me to appear nuanced and knowledgeable about USA politics during my early online relationship with @dorothy , and allowed us to come closer together.

 

Tomorrow I fly to Kansas and finally get to marry her.

 

My deepest thanks guys.

 

Not sure how i feel about going to America now.,  Three years ago it was sort of a promised land.  Now i dont know if im going to be arrested for speaking out cos im going to a red state.

 

And jeez have the authorities made it hard - is prolly going to end up 10k in charges to get her over her.  Solicitor was expensive - I even have to provide chat history , bills and photos for her to come back over here as my wife.

 

But main thing is she will be, thanks to kickback in part, so thank you

Im also going to grump that, despite her being allowed to stay here six months at a time, a fiancee visa in britain was thousands so was cheaper for both of us to fly to the usa and just make it a done deal

 

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56 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

Im also going to grump that, despite her being allowed to stay here six months at a time, a fiancee visa in britain was thousands so was cheaper for both of us to fly to the usa and just make it a done deal

 

 

I married an American in the US in 2012 after having been here for 8 weeks on a 6 month tourist visa. What will her status be in the UK once you're married?

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She submits her passport as soon as we are married, i think its 8 week then she comes over and stays, and five years to naturalise

 

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Just now, Captain Slog said:

She submits her passport as soon as we are married, i think its 8 week then she comes over and stays, and five years to naturalise

 

Currently, she been staying on a six month tourist visas in Scotland, but she isnt allowed to work with that.

Luckily, my gp ignored that, as i dont think shes entitled to NHS either until marriage

 

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4 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

Currently, she been staying on a six month tourist visas in Scotland, but she isnt allowed to work with that.

Luckily, my gp ignored that, as i dont think shes entitled to NHS either until marriage

 

Status wise, nope she either comes in on a tourist visa, but we have to apply for a marriage visa for her to come over, and prove things like income etc

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25 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I married an American in the US in 2012 after having been here for 8 weeks on a 6 month tourist visa. What will her status be in the UK once you're married?

Hi, I'm the American girl in question. :)

 

As far as I understand it, I will be able to have the marriage recognized in the UK and therefore can come over on a 2.5 year spouse visa rather than have to do the whole 6 month fiance visa then apply again. That would mean double the solicitor fees and such, plus this way he can meet my family and understand why I want to get away from them!

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3 hours ago, Captain Slog said:

Massive thank you to the contributors on this thread.

 

It educated me and allowed me to appear nuanced and knowledgeable about USA politics during my early online relationship with @dorothy , and allowed us to come closer together.

 

Tomorrow I fly to Kansas and finally get to marry her.

 

My deepest thanks guys.

 

Not sure how i feel about going to America now.,  Three years ago it was sort of a promised land.  Now i dont know if im going to be arrested for speaking out cos im going to a red state.

 

And jeez have the authorities made it hard - is prolly going to end up 10k in charges to get her over her.  Solicitor was expensive - I even have to provide chat history , bills and photos for her to come back over here as my wife.

 

But main thing is she will be, thanks to kickback in part, so thank you

 

I'm sure the gag will have already been done...but I do hope, at some point, she says "Captain Slog, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."

And congrats.

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5 hours ago, Boof said:

 

I'm sure the gag will have already been done...but I do hope, at some point, she says "Captain Slog, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."

And congrats.

Hello Boof, I thought Shetland had a power cut?

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6 hours ago, Boof said:

 

I'm sure the gag will have already been done...but I do hope, at some point, she says "Captain Slog, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."

And congrats.

😀First time she came over she brought a placard with toto on it to pre empt the funnies

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44 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Congratulations @Captain Slog and @Dorothy. I hope you live long and prosper. 🖖

Thank you Ri.  And your perseverance may have paid off after all these years, for the first time in my life, when i come home i hope its 'an undiscovered country', never ever thought Id start leaning towards independence, but it just doesnt feel like Britain anymore.

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2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Hello Boof, I thought Shetland had a power cut?

 

Aye - been a curious one. I've had internet all day. Not sure how, but not complaining!

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Aye - been a curious one. I've had internet all day. Not sure how, but not complaining!

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16 hours ago, Dorothy said:

Hi, I'm the American girl in question. :)

 

As far as I understand it, I will be able to have the marriage recognized in the UK and therefore can come over on a 2.5 year spouse visa rather than have to do the whole 6 month fiance visa then apply again. That would mean double the solicitor fees and such, plus this way he can meet my family and understand why I want to get away from them!

 

Does it give you access to the NHS?

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She pays slightly under 2000 bar for the privilege of the NHS when applying for the marriage visa.

 

The costs for the application will be as follows:

 

            MBS Solicitors             £2,600.00 plus vat

 

            Home Office               £1,538.00 (subject to exchange rates)

 

            Imm. Health Surch     £1,860.00 (subject to exchange rates)

 

            Biometrics Fee            £19.20 ((subject to exchange rates)

 

            Priority Service           £573.00 (subject to exchange rates and availability)

 

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28 minutes ago, Smithee said:

?

 

I have an American wife, I want to know if we lived in the UK would she have the same access to the NHS I would.

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2 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I have an American wife, I want to know if we lived in the UK would she have the same access to the NHS I would.

Mine wont for five years, hence the 1860 fee for getting the NHS.

 

If you are married for five years, and have been resident at least three i think your wife can naturalise and claim it - otherwise- they charge.  Its a bit messy, i could be wrong.

 

Thankfully my doctor ignored all the rules and just signed her up as a patient when she was here

 

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And JFK, believe it or not - 

 

I have to provide all this

List of Documents for xxx
1. Copy British Passport
2. Copy Birth Certificate
3. Contract of Employment
4. 6 months wage slips
5. 6 months bank statements
6. P60
7. Letter from Employer (to be advised)
8. Contact Details of HR Department
9. Family Tree (parents and siblings / names, addresses, dates of birth, nationalities)
10. Travel History for past 5 years
11. Copy Tenancy Agreement
12. Utility Bills for past 1 year
13. Council Tax Demand Notice
14. Voter’s Roll
15. Marriage Certificate
16. Marriage Photographs
17. Chat history
 
 
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3 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

Mine wont for five years, hence the 1860 fee for getting the NHS.

 

If you are married for five years, and have been resident at least three i think your wife can naturalise and claim it - otherwise- they charge.  Its a bit messy, i could be wrong.

 

Thankfully my doctor ignored all the rules and just signed her up as a patient when she was here

 

 

Probably still cheaper than the cost here of just basic health insurance. People here are astounded and some actually don't even believe me when I tell them that an ambulance costs nothing to the individual in the UK. Here if they call an ambulance they will be looking at a bill of $5,000 and upwards.

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3 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

And JFK, believe it or not - 

 

I have to provide all this

List of Documents for xxx
1. Copy British Passport
2. Copy Birth Certificate
3. Contract of Employment
4. 6 months wage slips
5. 6 months bank statements
6. P60
7. Letter from Employer (to be advised)
8. Contact Details of HR Department
9. Family Tree (parents and siblings / names, addresses, dates of birth, nationalities)
10. Travel History for past 5 years
11. Copy Tenancy Agreement
12. Utility Bills for past 1 year
13. Council Tax Demand Notice
14. Voter’s Roll
15. Marriage Certificate
16. Marriage Photographs
17. Chat history
 
 

 

I presume a chat history wouldn't apply to me since we have been married and living in the same house for over 10 years.

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4 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

Probably still cheaper than the cost here of just basic health insurance. People here are astounded and some actually don't even believe me when I tell them that an ambulance costs nothing to the individual in the UK. Here if they call an ambulance they will be looking at a bill of $5,000 and upwards.

Its less than she was paying as a schoolteacher in America tbh

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Just now, Captain Slog said:

Its less than she was paying as a schoolteacher in America tbh

 

And I would bet what she was paying for was nothing like as comprehensive as the NHS is. 

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5 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I presume a chat history wouldn't apply to me since we have been married and living in the same house for over 10 years.

I'd check out if the immigration health surcharge is applicable then, I certainly recollect it mentioned being married 5 years, so hopefully you wouldnt have to foot that

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1 minute ago, Captain Slog said:

I'd check out if the immigration health surcharge is applicable then, I certainly recollect it mentioned being married 5 years, so hopefully you wouldnt have to foot that

 

Got a marriage certificate from may 2012, I was amused by the name of the preacher who married us which is on the certificate.

 

I was told I was being married by Jim Davidson just minutes before the ceremony. And I couldn't convey to these Americans around me what gave me a little giggle event. Thank F he didn't look anything like Jim Davidson, that would have slayed me.

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6 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

Got a marriage certificate from may 2012, I was amused by the name of the preacher who married us which is on the certificate.

 

I was told I was being married by Jim Davidson just minutes before the ceremony. And I couldn't convey to these Americans around me what gave me a little giggle event. Thank F he didn't look anything like Jim Davidson, that would have slayed me.

Let me preface this by saying that I could be wrong, but my understanding is that by paying the surcharge, essentially if granted the visa I will have full access to the NHS for that 2.5 years. Then I think I may have to pay it again (Sorry love) at the 2.5 mark for an additional 2.5 years of it, then in theory, I would pay it like any other citizen assuming I am granted citizenship.

 

Also yes to what you assumed earlier. My health insurance coverage was absolutely abysmal. I'm still paying $50 a month to a hospital because I dared to go to an A&E because I had a violent stomach flu 2 years ago. I probably still have at least several months to pay on it.

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7 minutes ago, Dorothy said:

Also yes to what you assumed earlier. My health insurance coverage was absolutely abysmal. I'm still paying $50 a month to a hospital because I dared to go to an A&E because I had a violent stomach flu 2 years ago. I probably still have at least several months to pay on it.

 

The US has the worst WHO healthcare ranking of any high income nation and is below many middling nations. Think they're about 37th in the world or around it. Yet there's a delusion that they have "the best healthcare in the world"

 

I put that in quotation marks because I have heard it parroted by Republican talking heads so many times, and as you know it's utter nonsense. People here live in terror of being sick, injured, or their kids being sick or injured which isn't uncommon among kids. Because they know it could ruin their lives.

 

I have seen a goodly number of articles written by Americans who moved to the UK with that preconceived idea in their heads. With the additional Republican parroted line that if you're in one of those "socialist" healthcare countries, socialist is a bad word, just a grade below Nazi, and get sick you're going to die waiting for treatment.

 

What these people eventually come to realise is that this is utter garbage and that the NHS is infinitely superior to anything they ever had at home.

 

Despite all the domestic bitching about the NHS you have to experience something like this US shambles masquerading as healthcare to truly appreciate what a gift it is. A remark by one of those Americans who moved to the UK in her article praising the NHS as infinitely superior to US healthcare.

 

She's sitting in a doctors waiting room for her appointment and there are a couple of older ladies there waiting to be seen too. They're complaining about how long they have to wait, one complained she waited 20 minutes on her previous appointment, "scandalous" said the other.

 

While all this American woman could think is what they're saying amounts to this Rolls Royce isn't driving fast enough for their liking. And having experienced both it is a Rolls Royce in comparison to the American Arkansas Chug-a-Bug.

 

Calling this healthcare is like calling McDonalds foodcare, if you have money you get a burger. If you don't you're going hungry. Same with their "healthcare"

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7 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

Despite all the domestic bitching about the NHS you have to experience something like this US shambles masquerading as healthcare to truly appreciate what a gift it is. A remark by one of those Americans who moved to the UK in her article praising the NHS as infinitely superior to US healthcare.

This is something I wish more people would understand. Time and time again while I've been visiting the UK I've had people shocked when I say that I'm the one who wanted to immigrate over, because "people die trying to get into America!" They don't get that so many Americans die from preventable or treatable diseases simply because they know going in to get checked at a doctor could be the end of them financially. I am fully aware that I am one major illness away from being thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt from something I have no control over. And why? Because as you said anything labelled "socialist" here is a slap in the face and invokes anger and vitriol. That's perhaps the saddest part of America to me, we don't care enough about our fellow people to want them to be able to live happy and  healthy lives because that means we have to pay a smidge more taxes or re-think what we know about the definitions of words.

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2 minutes ago, Dorothy said:

This is something I wish more people would understand. Time and time again while I've been visiting the UK I've had people shocked when I say that I'm the one who wanted to immigrate over, because "people die trying to get into America!" They don't get that so many Americans die from preventable or treatable diseases simply because they know going in to get checked at a doctor could be the end of them financially. I am fully aware that I am one major illness away from being thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt from something I have no control over. And why? Because as you said anything labelled "socialist" here is a slap in the face and invokes anger and vitriol. That's perhaps the saddest part of America to me, we don't care enough about our fellow people to want them to be able to live happy and  healthy lives because that means we have to pay a smidge more taxes or re-think what we know about the definitions of words.

 

Taxes in Canada are higher than in the USA, but ...

 

On October 3 my wife was transported to hospital in an ambulance.  She spent a day in Emergency then was transferred to the ICU.  She spent 6 days in Intensive Care following emergency surgery, then was transferred to a general ward to recover. She had more tests, scans, and drugs than I can count. I brought her home today, 17 days after she went to hospital.  My bill for all of that?  Nada, zip, zero.

Some Americans sneer at our socialist system, but I'm glad I live here.

 

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3 minutes ago, Dorothy said:

That's perhaps the saddest part of America to me, we don't care enough about our fellow people to want them to be able to live happy and  healthy lives because that means we have to pay a smidge more taxes or re-think what we know about the definitions of words.

 

One guy did say to me "I don't want to pay for other peoples healthcare"

 

But that aside, he is paying for other peoples healthcare if they're costing a lot in treatment and he isn't. That health insurance system is effectively a tax on top of income taxes.

 

If they adopted the British system any tax increase to pay for it would be less than paying for health insurance. They pay something like 3 times more per head than the UK does for far inferior results. They're being milked by a combination of insurance companies and drug manufacturers. It's a 2 trillion dollar a year gravy train.

 

But yes, it's a harsh unforgiving society. And becoming worse as the GOP go full Q anon level crazy.   

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2 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Taxes in Canada are higher than in the USA, but ...

 

On October 3 my wife was transported to hospital in an ambulance.  She spent a day in Emergency then was transferred to the ICU.  She spent 6 days in Intensive Care following emergency surgery, then was transferred to a general ward to recover. She had more tests, scans, and drugs than I can count. I brought her home today, 17 days after she went to hospital.  My bill for all of that?  Nada, zip, zero.

Some Americans sneer at our socialist system, but I'm glad I live here.

 

 

That's a bankruptcy for the typical American.

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