maroonnicky63 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, GingaNinja said: Serious question and not having a dig (because I agree that the word legend is thrown about to much in the modern game) but that said , what is your definition of a Legend ?? what makes a player a Legend in your eye's ?? I'd say for instance the entire 98 team that won the Scottish cup are legends , not so much the 2006 team but the 2012 team that won should also be held in high regard Legend status for me !! why because they all shared in huge moments in my life and every Hearts fans lives ........ As for Rudi Skacel , well Legend for me for what he did on and off the park . Selling pints in our moment of need just scrapes the surface !! If you hold him as a legend then he is one in your eyes and that's fine. I hold the ones in my heart as legends because they played for the love of the game and the love for Hearts , they earned a pittance in comparison to what players earn now and that's not there fault to be fare everything is about money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, GingaNinja said: Serious question and not having a dig (because I agree that the word legend is thrown about to much in the modern game) but that said , what is your definition of a Legend ?? what makes a player a Legend in your eye's ?? I'd say for instance the entire 98 team that won the Scottish cup are legends , not so much the 2006 team but the 2012 team that won should also be held in high regard Legend status for me !! why because they all shared in huge moments in my life and every Hearts fans lives ........ As for Rudi Skacel , well Legend for me for what he did on and off the park . Selling pints in our moment of need just scrapes the surface !! +1. Not only great on the park, not just off it, the spirit of the club he embraced. Makes him a legend in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSK Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Saying that the word “legend” is overused is one of these common opinions in football that linger around and become so clicheic that they stop being true/ relevant. Football pundits have long exhausted the saying “you can’t compare them, they’re completely different players” to the point where it was, at a time, the first words off their lips and you couldn’t compare any players anymore. Similarly, the opinion that the word ‘legend’ is overused has surely gone overboard when folk start saying Rudi Skacel is not a Hearts legend? What’s a guy got to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, SuperstarSteve said: Anybody who watched Paterson knew he would be going places, if you didn’t see it your blind in my opinion. He came through the youth academy as a striker, debuted as a striker, so pointing out he’s not that’s good at defending, doesn’t take a genuis. the only one blind here is you if you didn't read some of the comments on here about Paterson when he was going through a bad time or did you choose to ignore them and pretend that everyone on here just said nice things about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingaNinja Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, maroonnicky63 said: If you hold him as a legend then he is one in your eyes and that's fine. I hold the ones in my heart as legends because they played for the love of the game and the love for Hearts , they earned a pittance in comparison to what players earn now and that's not there fault to be fare everything is about money. Yeah I hear that thought process but I feel it's flawed in that by your way off thinking Hearts will never have another Legend again nor any other team for that matter as they all get paid way to much .......... seems a shame tbh . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, GingaNinja said: Yeah I hear that thought process but I feel it's flawed in that by your way off thinking Hearts will never have another Legend again nor any other team for that matter as they all get paid way to much .......... seems a shame tbh . Good point but players don't tend to stay at clubs long nowt to become legends as money tends to dictate that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingaNinja Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, maroonnicky63 said: Good point but players don't tend to stay at clubs long nowt to become legends as money tends to dictate that Yep I totally agree with you on that point , but it does happen that a player can and will show loyalty to a club . I don't want to bang on about him but Rudi has shown everything you talk about to Hearts as an example (Possibly Paul Hartley as well ?? although not as openly but certainly on the park) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Rudi Skacel has scored three goals in two Cup finals which we won, that is legendary Dave Mackay played for hearts for just 6 years and is head and shoulders above players like Walter kidd and Gary mackay in terms of legend status despite their longevity imo For me to be legendary takes more than being good enough to play but limited enough to not leave (like hibs legends Lewis Stevenson and Paul hanlon), being a legend means that you've made a lasting positive impact and contribution, the hearts team of the late fifties and early sixties are most definitely on their own tier, but our biggest contributors in Cup wins since then deserve to be acknowledged as legends imo and rudi has two medals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, maroonnicky63 said: the only one blind here is you if you didn't read some of the comments on here about Paterson when he was going through a bad time or did you choose to ignore them and pretend that everyone on here just said nice things about him You came across as if you were having a pop at people for claiming they seen Paterson’s talent early doors, as in anyone who thought Paterson would make it was talking rubbish. if that isn’t the case and it doesn’t look to be then my humble apologies. completely different situation if folk Are contradicting themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodenHertz Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Milinkovic has officially signed for Hull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 hours ago, SuperstarSteve said: Anybody who watched Paterson knew he would be going places, if you didn’t see it your blind in my opinion. He came through the youth academy as a striker, debuted as a striker, so pointing out he’s not that’s good at defending, doesn’t take a genuis. Was just about to post the same thing! Also totally agree the word legend is overused but not in the case of Rudi Skacel! Come on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 hours ago, GingaNinja said: Serious question and not having a dig (because I agree that the word legend is thrown about to much in the modern game) but that said , what is your definition of a Legend ?? what makes a player a Legend in your eye's ?? I'd say for instance the entire 98 team that won the Scottish cup are legends , not so much the 2006 team but the 2012 team that won should also be held in high regard Legend status for me !! why because they all shared in huge moments in my life and every Hearts fans lives ........ As for Rudi Skacel , well Legend for me for what he did on and off the park . Selling pints in our moment of need just scrapes the surface !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 8 hours ago, maroonnicky63 said: coming from you that is hilarious how dare anyone support players and ex players ,SHOCKING Oh and by the way I bet you are one of the supporters who always knew Paterson would make it. Why would anyone not think Paterson would make it? Big , strong , powerful , driven , finisher , gets stuck in , control his hotheadedness and he fits exactly what teams look for down south to be successful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, sadj said: Why would anyone not think Paterson would make it? Big , strong , powerful , driven , finisher , gets stuck in , control his hotheadedness and he fits exactly what teams look for down south to be successful? Because our support is full of revisionist mentalists. Paterson got slated for ages at times when he was clearly the best player we have brought through since Craig Gordon. Oh aye and anyone that didnt a lump in their throat when Rudi came home in a Arab shirt and he clapped us all isn’t emotionally functioning properly. Edited July 9, 2018 by Juanjo15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Good luck David ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, sadj said: Why would anyone not think Paterson would make it? Big , strong , powerful , driven , finisher , gets stuck in , control his hotheadedness and he fits exactly what teams look for down south to be successful? its funny you know this happens all the time , a player especially a young player will go through a run of bad form , he will get pelters saying get rid, not good enough ect but as soon as he comes out of it and shows promise everyone starts saying '' I knew he would make it '' terrific player. Not counting you in this as I can't recall if you ever did have a go so no offence to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 9 hours ago, maroonnicky63 said: Yeh truth hurts eh , your getting your knickers in a twist about someone who has left the club and reading between the lines I would say you are rather bitter, sorry if that offends you but I will continue supporting players and ex players who have pulled the jersey on, unless they come back to tyncastle with another team Yeh truth hurts eh Don't quite know where you get this from as I've not commented on any ex players on this thread? I would say you are rather bitter Bitter about what? I have in the past commented on Jamie Walkers commitment to Hearts when he wore the jersey, but since he is no longer a Hearts player couldn't care less about him. Same applies to most players who leave Hearts i.e. Jason Holt & Milinkovic. Ill look out for Patersons progress and hope he gets the breaks his talent and attitude deserves as ultimately it could make the team i support a fair bit of money. I merely pointed out that you seem to take comments other posters have about ex players very personal, to the point people would either think you were close friends or family ( which i don't think you are). It is a fans forum after all and people will have differing points of view. Think you need to chill a bit? (just my opinion though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 If you don't see Rudi Skacel, winner of TWO Scottish cups with us, as a Hearts legend, your opinion on players has to be taken with a pinch of salt IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 hours ago, WoodenHertz said: Milinkovic has officially signed for Hull. Looked better in maroon. Always tried for us. Helped end celtics run in embarrassing fashion. Best of luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 54 minutes ago, Smithee said: If you don't see Rudi Skacel, winner of TWO Scottish cups with us, as a Hearts legend, your opinion on players has to be taken with a pinch of salt IMO. Agreed. No-one else alive has done that...and he scored in both. Legend!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 On 08/07/2018 at 17:22, jonnothejambo said: I doubt he will cut it down there. He moved purely for the money which is his prerogative and totally understandable. Won't be following his career now as I will be concentrating on my team. Basically thanks and good riddance. Sums up my feelings too. Be interesting to see if he gets anywhere near the same adoration from the Hull support as he did at Hearts. One thing’s for sure no one will ever love him as much as he loves himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Think it’s time to close this thread, the guys moved on and we should also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 On 08/07/2018 at 17:22, jonnothejambo said: I doubt he will cut it down there. He moved purely for the money which is his prerogative and totally understandable. Won't be following his career now as I will be concentrating on my team. Basically thanks and good riddance. I think that's overly harsh. Money will be great but he is getting an opportunity at a pretty big club in England. One that should be aiming for promotion to the EPL. Succeed and he's in the biggest, richest league in the world. Not only that but he will be battling against some of the world best and he will also be lining up along side players we only dream of signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 First interview up on YouTube. Flat, unimpressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterEgo Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: First interview up on YouTube. Flat, unimpressive Hull or Milinkovic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: First interview up on YouTube. Flat, unimpressive He’s gone. Build a bridge. People acting like a live torn teenager or saying he will be shite anyway and let’s see where he ends up nobody loving him as much as himself is actual tragic. Everyone including me was delighted a fee was agreed with Genoa now it’s all bullshit. Good luck Davie. Have you back any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Fair play to him. Will be a nice wee earner! Best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, WalterEgo said: Hull or Milinkovic? Him. To me he actually looks disappointed, when asked about Hearts. Ye, good luck to him, good footballer. One of the best signings we've made in the last few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: Him. To me he actually looks disappointed, when asked about Hearts. Ye, good luck to him, good footballer. One of the best signings we've made in the last few years Wanted to be at us and is really disappointed it didn't happen just hope we can add someone of his quality or better to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambocub Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, rudi must stay said: First interview up on YouTube. Flat, unimpressive What should he say that would be impressive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, jambocub said: What should he say that would be impressive? **** the Leeds? Grimsby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 It would appear that the transfer fee was circa £200k. wages quoted at hull per week for first team player is 5 figures. We just cannot compete with that. Cannot blame him, 3 year deal = over a million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Seriously? Rudi isn't a legend? I had the misfortune to be working in the pub trade and becoming a new father during both of Rudi's time at Hearts. I pretty much missed all of 2006 and 2012 and everything in between. But to say a man who played in two cup finals, that we won, and that he scored in both, is not a legend, is frankly pants on their head, full on wibble wibble boink mentalness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Enjoy Hull ya wee bawbag. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Meh, I can handle Hull. They’re a decent sized club and played in the premiership not long ago. Someone had told me the other day there it was Burton Albion he was going to, that would have been annoying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Allowayjambo1874 said: It would appear that the transfer fee was circa £200k. wages quoted at hull per week for first team player is 5 figures. We just cannot compete with that. Cannot blame him, 3 year deal = over a million. By the time his contract is up, he could buy Hull, the actual city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, SuperstarSteve said: Anybody who watched Paterson knew he would be going places, if you didn’t see it your blind in my opinion. He came through the youth academy as a striker, debuted as a striker, so pointing out he’s not that’s good at defending, doesn’t take a genuis. Yet people took the piss out of Locke when he didn’t play him as a defender. Edited July 10, 2018 by Paolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 12 hours ago, Smithee said: If you don't see Rudi Skacel, winner of TWO Scottish cups with us, as a Hearts legend, your opinion on players has to be taken with a pinch of salt IMO. I have no issues at all with you or anyone else saying Rudi is a legend but IMO I thought he was a very good player who like any other player had his bad games which some fans tend to forget and that is not having a dig at him just saying he was prone to bad games like any other player , he scored some screamers and very important goals and no doubt in your eyes and many others he is a legend but I personally would not hold him as a legend. Robbo is a legend to me but make no mistake he had some stinkers but somehow always managed to score especially against the hibbies and purely because of this his performance during a game went unnoticed , but good on you though if you feel like that about Rudi many on here feel the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, maroonnicky63 said: I have no issues at all with you or anyone else saying Rudi is a legend but IMO I thought he was a very good player who like any other player had his bad games which some fans tend to forget and that is not having a dig at him just saying he was prone to bad games like any other player , he scored some screamers and very important goals and no doubt in your eyes and many others he is a legend but I personally would not hold him as a legend. Robbo is a legend to me but make no mistake he had some stinkers but somehow always managed to score especially against the hibbies and purely because of this his performance during a game went unnoticed , but good on you though if you feel like that about Rudi many on here feel the same So Robbo had bad games and scored at important times and Rudi scored important goals when not playing well. Both utterly dominated Hibs when they played. Both have incredibly good scoring ratios (one being a midfielder) and one of these players helped win us two trophies, while the other if it hadnt been for a bit bad luck could have done the same. However you dont feel Rudi qualifies as a legend of the club...fair enough i guess but thats bonkers in my mind. Edited July 10, 2018 by Jamboelite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Showing the benefits of coming to Hearts and Scotland (at last). Help us get others in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Ah well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 That's really weird. Was going to just write a comment and the editor automatically "restored" my content...It was a reply from Grumpy Espana to Mitch 41... Anyways, I think it is fair to say that Hull will be giving him the money that we could not afford. All he needs to do it earn it. I'm pretty sure he can do that, so all the best to the guy. Out of our price range unfortunately...Same as Messi and Ronaldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 hours ago, maroonnicky63 said: I have no issues at all with you or anyone else saying Rudi is a legend but IMO I thought he was a very good player who like any other player had his bad games which some fans tend to forget and that is not having a dig at him just saying he was prone to bad games like any other player , he scored some screamers and very important goals and no doubt in your eyes and many others he is a legend but I personally would not hold him as a legend. Robbo is a legend to me but make no mistake he had some stinkers but somehow always managed to score especially against the hibbies and purely because of this his performance during a game went unnoticed , but good on you though if you feel like that about Rudi many on here feel the same Hey it's all about opinions on here, I just can't see how the only person to have won two Scottish cups with us in the last half century doesn't qualify! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hull Hell & Hearts Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Juanjo15 said: **** the Leeds? Grimsby? The first of these will surely follow when he's had chance to work out the local geography/Championship rivalries If he'd said "Allam Out" that would have gone down a storm with the 10,000 stay away supporters (and many of those who continue to go in spite of the owners) but it probably would have ended his career here before it's even started The move's been well received at our end (it might even persuade me to end my own boycott) but thanks in no small matter to the esteem he was held in at Hearts. It promises to be an interesting ride. Edited July 10, 2018 by Hull Hell & Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Probably getting double what we offered him. Cant blame him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Wish him every success! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Jamboelite said: So Robbo had bad games and scored at important times and Rudi scored important goals when not playing well. Both utterly dominated Hibs when they played. Both have incredibly good scoring ratios (one being a midfielder) and one of these players helped win us two trophies, while the other if it hadnt been for a bit bad luck could have done the same. However you dont feel Rudi qualifies as a legend of the club...fair enough i guess but thats bonkers in my mind. correct but if he is a legend in your eyes then he is a legend , he isn't to me but i do consider him very highly. my team of legends would be from the 50's and 60's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonnicky63 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Smithee said: Hey it's all about opinions on here, I just can't see how the only person to have won two Scottish cups with us in the last half century doesn't qualify! only to me smithee if he is a legend to you then that's fine by me ,as you says it's only an opinion mate I assume I am older than you ( don't know why ) my legends would come from the 50's and 60's as I have already highlighted to another poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Will be back with us on loan by January ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diez Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Having grown up absolutely idolising Robbo and crying like a complete idiot when he held aloft the Cup on the 16th May 1998.... Rudi Skacel to me is more of a legend. There, I said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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