Hard Brexit

[Boab1874]

The E U know we can’t leave. W T O rules state a hard border between North and South Ireland.Against U K law. We can only trade on the coat tails of the E U. 5-10 years.Spain will veto that .As we are not a member of the W T O we have to join.Chile U S A and New Zealand will block it. Welcome to the U K no jobs no N H S nothing.The nazi UKIP have left the country

[frankblack]

21 minutes ago, Boab1874 said:

The E U know we can’t leave. W T O rules state a hard border between North and South Ireland.Against U K law. We can only trade on the coat tails of the E U. 5-10 years.Spain will veto that .As we are not a member of the W T O we have to join.Chile U S A and New Zealand will block it. Welcome to the U K no jobs no N H S nothing.The nazi UKIP have left the country

 

I don't think I've ever read a bigger load of bollocks.  Not one bit of that post has any factual basis, instead being a collection of lies accumulated from ill-informed social media.

[Boab1874]

Came from Bryce someone  who works as E U man for Bloomberg.He was explaining the ins and outs on L B C.He was not telling the nazi lies UKIP tell..

[Boris]

1 hour ago, Boab1874 said:

The E U know we can’t leave. W T O rules state a hard border between North and South Ireland.Against U K law. We can only trade on the coat tails of the E U. 5-10 years.Spain will veto that .As we are not a member of the W T O we have to join.Chile U S A and New Zealand will block it. Welcome to the U K no jobs no N H S nothing.The nazi UKIP have left the country

 

Yes we are.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Boab1874 said:

The E U know we can’t leave. W T O rules state a hard border between North and South Ireland.Against U K law. We can only trade on the coat tails of the E U. 5-10 years.Spain will veto that .As we are not a member of the W T O we have to join.Chile U S A and New Zealand will block it. Welcome to the U K no jobs no N H S nothing.The nazi UKIP have left the country

 

What UK law?

We are a member of the WTO.

Hypothetically, why would  Chile, USA and New Zealand (!) block our membership?

 

You packed a lot of inaccuracy into a short post there.

Edited September 27, 2018 by Francis Albert

[Boab1874]

Have a united Ireland and we can leave. Blair done well in protecting us against the Tory scum and the nazi UKIP. Support the 63% remain

[frankblack]

32 minutes ago, Boab1874 said:

Have a united Ireland and we can leave. Blair done well in protecting us against the Tory scum and the nazi UKIP. Support the 63% remain

 

You are having a shocker here, and its time to quit while you are behind.

[Boab1874]

New Zealand in dispute over U.K. EU quota.We are not members of W T O we come under E U. We can use the E U for 5-10 years till we become members of the W T O. The problem is Spain over Gibraltar they will stop at nothing to get access to it.They will veto the 5-10 year period.The U.K. has 22 idependant trade deals. China  Saudi Thailand chile Brazil  New Zealand Australia ect. and 68 with E U.  European Commission..

[frankblack]

4 minutes ago, Boab1874 said:

New Zealand in dispute over U.K. EU quota.We are not members of W T O we come under E U. We can use the E U for 5-10 years till we become members of the W T O. The problem is Spain over Gibraltar they will stop at nothing to get access to it.They will veto the 5-10 year period.The U.K. has 22 idependant trade deals. China  Saudi Thailand chile Brazil  New Zealand Australia ect. and 68 with E U.  European Commission..

 

That is still not any more coherent.

 

Are you still on the brew after last night?

[Boab1874]

Go to bbc U.K. trade deals and look it up..Do not listen to the lies..

[Boris]

40 minutes ago, Boab1874 said:

New Zealand in dispute over U.K. EU quota.We are not members of W T O we come under E U. We can use the E U for 5-10 years till we become members of the W T O. The problem is Spain over Gibraltar they will stop at nothing to get access to it.They will veto the 5-10 year period.The U.K. has 22 idependant trade deals. China  Saudi Thailand chile Brazil  New Zealand Australia ect. and 68 with E U.  European Commission..

 

EU states are members of the WTO via both EU status and as individual nations.

 

UK has been at the forefront since GATT's inception in 1948.

 

 

[Boab1874]

We are not members E U is the member fact.

[Boab1874]

We are not stand alone members of the W T O

[Boris]

3 minutes ago, Boab1874 said:

We are not members E U is the member fact.

 

No, we are as we were oneof the countries that initially created GATT in 1948.  Prior to any involvement in EEC, EC, EU etc etc

 

Until now the EU has represented Britain at the WTO, and Britain’s membership rights were not set out distinctly, even though Britain was always a WTO member in its own right. Its June 2016 decision to leave the EU meant disentangling their trade rules to allow Britain to act independently.

(Bold my own - from https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-wto/britain-and-eu-formally-start-splitting-wto-membership-agreements-idUKKBN1KE2LJ)

[Francis Albert]

Google "can the UK rejoin the WTO" and get it from the horse's mouth, the WTO. (The title is odd because the WTO repeatedly says in the briefing that the UK is and will remain a member of the EU).

There are in fact a few germs of truth (buried in nonsense) in Boab1874's incoherent posts, but the conclusion I reach from reading the WTO briefing is that becoming a member fully independent of joint EU arrangements is about the least of our worries and about the least of the obstacles relating to Brexit.

That the WTO has anything to do with the Irish Border, that a hard border would be against UK Law, that Spain or any other member can simply veto  the UK's continued membership of the WTO, that the EU knows we can't leave because of something or other to do with WTO ... is however all drivel (or the sort of thing that Boab1874 would call lies)

 

Edited September 27, 2018 by Francis Albert

[Francis Albert]

33 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Google "can the UK rejoin the WTO" and get it from the horse's mouth, the WTO. (The title is odd because the WTO repeatedly says in the briefing that the UK is and will remain a member of the EU).

There are in fact a few germs of truth (buried in nonsense) in Boab1874's incoherent posts, but the conclusion I reach from reading the WTO briefing is that becoming a member fully independent of joint EU arrangements is about the least of our worries and about the least of the obstacles relating to Brexit.

That the WTO has anything to do with the Irish Border, that a hard border would be against UK Law, that Spain or any other member can simply veto  the UK's continued membership of the WTO, that the EU knows we can't leave because of something or other to do with WTO ... is however all drivel (or the sort of thing that Boab1874 would call lies)

 

In the first para I meant member of the WTO not the EU of course.

Incoherence is catching!

[Ulysses]

Anyhoo, back in the real world, Leo Varadkar explains that the "humiliation" endured by the PM in Salzburg was a tad exaggerated. 

 

His assessment is that the a major part of the problem for the PM was created by the unrealistic expectations built up by the British press. 

 

http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0926/998195-leaders/

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, Ulysses said:

Anyhoo, back in the real world, Leo Varadkar explains that the "humiliation" endured by the PM in Salzburg was a tad exaggerated. 

 

His assessment is that the a major part of the problem for the PM was created by the unrealistic expectations built up by the British press. 

 

http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0926/998195-leaders/

 I think there is more to it than that. Olly Robbins our chief negotiator apparently told May that Chequers was a "game changer", and there was clearly briefing going on that prompted press optimism. . Presumably Robbins advice was based on some soundings with someone somewhere in the EU. (If not it was just anther example of the shambles of the UK approach to the negotiation) But even if Robbins got some signals from somewhere,  relying on the views of someone or even several people seems unwise since the private thoughts of 27 Governments plus the EU itself are unlikely to be in unison. After all even the public thoughts of May's own cabinet are often not.

[jake]

8 hours ago, Ulysses said:

Anyhoo, back in the real world, Leo Varadkar explains that the "humiliation" endured by the PM in Salzburg was a tad exaggerated. 

 

His assessment is that the a major part of the problem for the PM was created by the unrealistic expectations built up by the British press. 

 

http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0926/998195-leaders/

You have got to be joking?

Unrealistic 

 

The British press.

 

 

[Ulysses]

34 minutes ago, jake said:

You have got to be joking?

Unrealistic 

 

The British press.

 

 

 

 

Hi jake,  I am neither Leo Varadkar nor the RTÉ website.

 

If anyone's got to be joking, it's not me.

[The Mighty Thor]

Well it would appear we're starting to get a glimpse of the grand vision of the brexiteers. Today's grand plan from Johnson is for a 'Super Canada' deal with the EU. Surprisingly it's heavy of  soundbite and light of actual details, but hey at least, with 6 months left, one of them has bothered to come up with something. 

Still moonbeams on the Irish border but who  cares about them anyway. Right?

 

Oh and buried away in there is an admission that it won't be signed and sealed by 29th March 2019. 

 

27 months to come up with feck all and he's the poster boy for the whole shambles.

 

 

 

[JamboX2]

Had a good chuckle at BBC Question Time last night - Question: "Given the lack of progress in talks is it time a brexiteer took on negotiations?" 

 

No one seemed to give the correct answer: they have and are run by Brexiteers. First we had Davis. But he did nothing in office. Now he's carping about all these great ideas he's suddenly had since leaving office. We had Johnson as Foreign Secretary. But he didn't use the power of his office to achieve much at all. Now we've Raab. Who's about as effective as a fart in a hurricane. Meanwhile Liam Fox as Trade Minister seems to be bobbing along doing little. All the while the ERG group have pulled as ever closer to a hard Brexit.

 

Perhaps it's time we put a remainer in charge.

Edited September 28, 2018 by JamboX2

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

Had a good chuckle at BBC Question Time last night - Question: "Given the lack of progress in talks is it time a brexiteer took on negotiations?" 

 

No one seemed to give the correct answer: they have and are run by Brexiteers. First we had Davis. But he did nothing in office. Now he's carping about all these great ideas he's suddenly had since leaving office. We had Johnson as Foreign Secretary. But he didn't use the power of his office to achieve much at all. Now we've Raab. Who's about as effective as a fart in a hurricane. Meanwhile Liam Fox as Trade Minister seems to be bobbing along doing little. All the while the ERG group have pulled as ever closer to a hard Brexit.

 

Perhaps it's time we put a remainer in charge.

Our chief negotiator is a Remainer. Who seems to have grossly misled May on the likely reaction of the EU to Chequers.

[Ulysses]

15 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Today's grand plan from Johnson is for a 'Super Canada' deal with the EU.

 

 

 

He needs to re-title it "Shit Canada" or else the Saudis are gonna get seriously pissed off.

[Francis Albert]

Following Rod Stewart's contribution to the Remain/second vote campaign I see Bob Geldof has written an open letter to the PM signed by fellow musical "greats" aka Bob's contacts, "a roll call of Britain's (?) rock and classical establishment". Apparently "the vast voice" of the music industry will be silenced inside a "self-built cultural jail" if Britain "crashes out" of the EU. The letter contains some nauseating self-adulatory stuff about the UK's domination of the market "because we are brilliant at it". For the Observer this news is important enough to cover half the front page and two full inside pages. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

6 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Following Rod Stewart's contribution to the Remain/second vote campaign I see Bob Geldof has written an open letter to the PM signed by fellow musical "greats" aka Bob's contacts, "a roll call of Britain's (?) rock and classical establishment". Apparently "the vast voice" of the music industry will be silenced inside a "self-built cultural jail" if Britain "crashes out" of the EU. The letter contains some nauseating self-adulatory stuff about the UK's domination of the market "because we are brilliant at it". For the Observer this news is important enough to cover half the front page and two full inside pages. 

 

How did the Beatles, Stones, Who etc etc manage it prior to the UK joining the Common Market?  Geldof is a prick. 

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

How did the Beatles, Stones, Who etc etc manage it prior to the UK joining the Common Market?  Geldof is a prick. 

Indeed. And what exactly has the international success of British musicians (of which Geldof and his mates brag) since 1974 owe to our membership of the EU? And why haven't non-UK EU musicians enjoyed any similar international success? Abba predated Sweden's EU membership by a couple of decades.Yet this nonsense is swallowed whole by the Observer as news without any questioning or scepticism.

 

Edited October 7, 2018 by Francis Albert

[jake]

10 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Following Rod Stewart's contribution to the Remain/second vote campaign I see Bob Geldof has written an open letter to the PM signed by fellow musical "greats" aka Bob's contacts, "a roll call of Britain's (?) rock and classical establishment". Apparently "the vast voice" of the music industry will be silenced inside a "self-built cultural jail" if Britain "crashes out" of the EU. The letter contains some nauseating self-adulatory stuff about the UK's domination of the market "because we are brilliant at it". For the Observer this news is important enough to cover half the front page and two full inside pages. 

It actually gave me the boak .

 

And what's even worse as you pointed out was the coverage given to his views.

 

 

[ADAM]

This article by Clare Foges sums it up perfectly for me...

 

Big lie of the ‘anti‑ establishment’ Brexit vote

Many of those who voted Leave will be hardest hit by Brexit, while the elites it was meant to punish remain unscathed

 

In 1924 Harold Macmillan became MP for Stockton-on-Tees. Witnessing brutal poverty there between the wars, he said later that he had learnt “lessons which I have never forgotten. If, in some respects, they may have left too deep an impression on my mind, the gain was greater than the loss.” The gain was a lifelong conviction that the central aim of domestic policy must be to avoid the horror of mass unemployment. Forget ideological posturing; the job of a responsible Conservative government was to keep people in work.

Almost a century and 25 miles up the A19 later, we arrive in Sunderland, where the Conservatives’ reputation for economic stewardship is dying. A hard or no-deal Brexit is in danger of placing a bomb under the livelihoods of another generation in the northeast. Last week Nissan, the town’s largest private employer, gave its most ominous warnings yet on the “serious implications” of a no-deal Brexit. Carlos Ghosn, the chief executive, said: “We are preparing for the worst, but I do not want to tell you how we are preparing for the worst because you will say I am just trying to scare people.” The sword of Damocles (or a no-deal Brexit) hangs over about 8,000 jobs in one Sunderland plant alone.

 

Nissan’s warnings coincided with a report suggesting that men with few qualifications are most at risk of losing their jobs if trade barriers go up after Brexit. The Institute for Fiscal Studies estimates that half a million people work in “process, plant and machine operative occupations”, which would be highly vulnerable should we leave the EU without a deal. There is, of course, a sad irony in all this, which is that those regions and demographic groups that voted most heavily for Brexit look likely to suffer most heavily from it. According to YouGov, 70 per cent of voters with only GCSE qualifications (or none) voted to leave. Sunderland voted 61 to 39 per cent to leave the EU.

This is tragic enough, yet Brexit as a victory for “the people” was only half the promise. The other half was about who would lose. Leaving the EU would be a glorious triumph over those whose selfish embrace of globalisation had caused so much suffering: “the establishment”.

Attacking the establishment is a good campaigning move on account of the term’s vagueness. It is a bucket into which you can chuck all those stereotypes and sinister types that are widely distrusted. According to your perspective, the establishment may be neoliberal or lefty liberal; metropolitan elite or land-owning squireocracy; old money or new. It can span politics and the media, big business and finance, academia and the arts. It may apply to virtue-signalling professors or vice-revelling bankers; the Bob Geldofs or the Bernie Madoffs (and, of course, George Soros). The promise of Brexit was not only to take back control of our sovereignty and borders; it was to poke this lot in the eye.

 

To crank up the heat, Leavers’ arguments were sprinkled with the dastardly “They”: They screwed you over in the financial crisis; They look down on your provincial life; They sneer at your patriotism; They believe you are closet racists. Brexit would avenge all of this. Complacent Westminster would be rocked to its core, the greedy City convulsed, middle-class lefties forced to eat their pieties on immigration along with their quinoa.

But one of Brexit’s many con tricks is that the so-called establishment won’t get a kicking at all. The Whitehall establishment certainly won’t. Yes, there will be the return of some powers from Brussels, but when it comes to exercising those powers, the mandarins of Whitehall will remain as unaccountable to the average Briton as ever.

 

What about the media-arts-culture establishment, whose spiritual home is the BBC and whose patron saint is Dame Emma Thompson? Their central fear has been that Brexit will render Britain xenophobic and hostile to foreigners, but the signs are that immigration will be little affected. All probable candidates for prime minister post-May are likely to continue allowing immigration to respond to economic demand, with the only difference being that an increasing proportion will come from outside Europe. Already the number of non-EU migrants has more than made up for the fall in EU arrivals since Brexit. So the pro-immigration establishment is unlikely to get the rude awakening some anticipated.

Will the great establishment reckoning come in the field of finance? While it is true that the City has much to fear from a no-deal Brexit, the top tier may simply go elsewhere, as the Goldman Sachs boss Lloyd Blankfein hinted in a tweet last year: “Just left Frankfurt. Great meetings, great weather, really enjoyed it. Good, because I’ll be spending a lot more time there. #Brexit”. Meanwhile there are those who scent opportunity in no-deal volatility. Crispin Odey is the hedge fund manager who helped bankroll the Leave campaign and made hundreds of millions on referendum night by shorting sterling. He is now one of many hedge fund bosses betting billions against the pound because, in Odey’s words, “it is going to be difficult to do a deal . . . I didn’t expect negotiations with Brussels to go well and I was a Brexiteer.”

 

The moneyed establishment — the rich and super-rich — may be touched by Brexit, but wealth will insulate them against real pain. As the billionaire Peter Hargreaves, who reportedly gave millions to the Leave campaign, puts it: “You say my wealth is $4.6 billion? If it wiped $4 billion off and left me $600 million it would not change my lifestyle one iota.” Indeed, according to a survey last year by UBS, most UK millionaires believe Brexit will make them even richer. If not they can always escape, like the Brexiteer and Britain’s richest man Sir Jim Ratcliffe, who recently left the promised land of Brexit for the sunnier climes of Monaco.

 

I am not anti-wealth or anti-“establishment”; indeed many may think I am part of it. What sticks in the craw is the way Brexit was sold as a great reckoning, a chance to show “them” who’s boss — when those who are intelligent enough to know better must have realised this was balderdash. Of course, if there is serious economic fallout from Brexit, this will have an impact on us all. Yet “establishment” elites will not, on the whole, be catastrophically affected. Yes, their fortunes may take a dent, they may grieve over what has happened, but the Sunseeker yacht catalogues will still be thumbed, the man in Whitehall will still “know best”, the City gents will still throng their clubs, the metropolitan liberals will still escape to their homes in Umbria to console themselves about Brexit over a bottle of the local red.

 

Meanwhile the “winners” of this battle must fear the shuttering of the local plant, the loss of jobs, the crushing of the spirit that comes with unemployment and poverty. A strange, tragic victory this.

Edited October 8, 2018 by ADAM

[JudyJudyJudy]

Im not an economist by any stretch but even the most stupid person must know that it would be bad for businesses coming out of a economic arrangement which is reciprocal?  Im angry that the freedom to work and live abroad in 27 other countries will also be curtailed. Shocking. 

[Ulysses]

Ah here, yiz would miss the Continent all the same.

 

 

 

 

Just saying. 

[Francis Albert]

After the Observer's first page and inner page scoop about Sir Bob Geldof's and his chums incoherent and self promoting prediction of the death of British music as a result of our imprisonment in a Brexit jail, the Guardian followed up yesterday by "fearlessly" (its description of itself) reporting on the big Brexit news of the weekend.

"Hundreds  of dogs and their human companions strode out  in Westminster, London, yesterday afternoon, ahead of the People's Vote March on 20 October, to call for a "wooferendum" on Brexit.

Organisers of the mass dog walk which culminated in a rally in Parliament Square,  said they were "howling on behalf of the millions of people who believe Brexit is a huge mistake".

Among the speakers, accompanied by his Cavalier King Charles spaniel was Alastair Campbell - no competition there for who is most trustworthy of that pair.The story is accompanied by a spread of no fewer than six photographs (by three different photographers) of the event accompanied by captions of varying degrees of tweeness and dog related Project Fear stuff . Dogs leave messages at a "pee station" adorned with a photograph of ... Boris Johnson",  A red setter with a  Brexit is Barking placard ..."owners are concerned that no deal with the EU could mean a shortage of vets". "A terrier in the march sports an EU bandana. Some people fear they could lose pet passports because of Brexit"

If a second People's Vote still doesn't deliver the right answer perhaps we could have a Dogs' vote. Or maybe the goldfish in my pond could join in. I am sure there must be a threat to their food and Medifin supply.

Edited October 9, 2018 by Francis Albert

[The Mighty Thor]

Nissan assembles in Sunderland. The majority of components come in from overseas. 

Anything that restricts movement of goods potentially makes their lives more difficult. 

It's pretty straightforward. 

 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

16 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Nissan assembles in Sunderland. The majority of components come in from overseas. 

Anything that restricts movement of goods potentially makes their lives more difficult. 

It's pretty straightforward. 

 

TBF, the Mackems will be getting what they voted for.

[Rab87]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/10/10/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-final-weeks-of-brexit

 

Required reading.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Rab87 said:

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/10/10/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-final-weeks-of-brexit

 

Required reading.

I really hate these articles where the writer responds to mainly stupid questions he has just made up himself. And so can make

himself seem clever.

[Boris]

25 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I really hate these articles where the writer responds to mainly stupid questions he has just made up himself. And so can make

himself seem clever.

 

You didn't read it to the end then?

 

"This piece is based on conversations with Holger Hestermeyer, mid-career fellow at the British Academy and shell reader in International Dispute Resolution at King's College London, John Springford, deputy director of the Centre for European Reform, Brigid Fowler and Ruth Fox, senior researcher and director at the Hansard Society, and others in London and Brussels who asked not to be named."

[Francis Albert]

8 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

You didn't read it to the end then?

 

"This piece is based on conversations with Holger Hestermeyer, mid-career fellow at the British Academy and shell reader in International Dispute Resolution at King's College London, John Springford, deputy director of the Centre for European Reform, Brigid Fowler and Ruth Fox, senior researcher and director at the Hansard Society, and others in London and Brussels who asked not to be named."

I did. "Based on". I don't believe any of them asked questions of such stupidity and simplicity as the writer invents to support his case. Unless of course they are all hard line Remainers with an agenda (could that possibly be?).  

It is an idiotic piece of nonsense you could spend hours picking holes in.

Not by any stretch "everything we need to know".

Edited October 10, 2018 by Francis Albert

[Boris]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

I did. "Based on". I don't believe any of them asked questions of such stupidity and simplicity as the writer invents to support his case. Unless of course they are all hard line Remainers with an agenda (could that possibly be?).  

It is an idiotic piece of nonsense you could spend hours picking holes in.

Not by any stretch "everything we need to know".

 

It kind of lays out the tomeline and what needs done/may happen etc.  I think you are being a trifle harsh on it, tbh.  It is attempting humour as well.

[SE16 3LN]

On ‎10‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 14:11, Rab87 said:

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/10/10/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-final-weeks-of-brexit

 

Required reading.

It nails it really. The EU are trying to screw the UK over because they are worried the UK will be more competitive and thrive outside the EU. Who would have thought it?

[Cade]

Raab spanked and sent home again tonight.

 

No deal looking more and more likely due to the UK's mental, contradictory red lines.

[Boab1874]

All our freedoms are protected by the E U. We cannot let the U K scum bags take that away..W T O 164 countries and all have to agree for a trade deal..There are 10 countries against U K joining W T O.. The U K is 80% services.We will lose 70 trade deals if we leave,gov papers.Time for the brain dead Brexit supporters to wake up. No Jobs, 15% mortgage rates.Riots all over the place.The E U did not send planes to Poland ect. It was Labour and Tory governments that allowed it. Workers sacked and agencies taking over.  Every E U country has a €20-30000 min income plus private health care.Remember 10-15 million jobs will go. House  prices back to late 90’s level Unemployment back to 4-5 million. Is that what the brain dead want. Look at Scotland how rich we would be away from the U K.Bankrupt no health or pensions no jobs. That is U.K. Brexit 

[Francis Albert]

26 minutes ago, Boab1874 said:

All our freedoms are protected by the E U. We cannot let the U K scum bags take that away..W T O 164 countries and all have to agree for a trade deal..There are 10 countries against U K joining W T O.. The U K is 80% services.We will lose 70 trade deals if we leave,gov papers.Time for the brain dead Brexit supporters to wake up. No Jobs, 15% mortgage rates.Riots all over the place.The E U did not send planes to Poland ect. It was Labour and Tory governments that allowed it. Workers sacked and agencies taking over.  Every E U country has a €20-30000 min income plus private health care.Remember 10-15 million jobs will go. House  prices back to late 90’s level Unemployment back to 4-5 million. Is that what the brain dead want. Look at Scotland how rich we would be away from the U K.Bankrupt no health or pensions no jobs. That is U.K. Brexit 

I assume this is a satirical attack on Project Fear. If not Boab has a cheek accusing Leave voters of being brain dead.

Almost everything in the post is utter nonsense but just to name one: the minimum annual income in Poland is less than 6000 euros and the average less than 12000. And this is higher than most East European  member states.

[Space Mackerel]

30 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I assume this is a satirical attack on Project Fear. If not Boab has a cheek accusing Leave voters of being brain dead.

Almost everything in the post is utter nonsense but just to name one: the minimum annual income in Poland is less than 6000 euros and the average less than 12000. And this is higher than most East European  member states.

 

Do you still count black peoples as you’re going to the odd football matches at Tynecastle along Gorgie Road? 

[Francis Albert]

43 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Do you still count black peoples as you’re going to the odd football matches at Tynecastle along Gorgie Road? 

Yes because I am a racist.

In fact I did it once just to confirm beyond any doubt what I already knew. The context was some outrage on here because some visiting black comedian mentioned  that Edinburgh was one of the whitest places he had been. Some saw that as a racist comment (as some take every excuse to label people)  when it was a simple statement of fact. . And at a time when some people in Scotland were (they probably still are) endlessly banging out about how open and tolerant they were compared to the racist English.

I live somewhere vastly more diversified in terms of race and religion and most other things than Edinburgh. It is one of the reasons why I like living here and would not despite its many attractions want to return to living in Edinburgh. 

 

Now back on topic?

Edited October 14, 2018 by Francis Albert

[jake]

2 hours ago, Boab1874 said:

All our freedoms are protected by the E U. We cannot let the U K scum bags take that away..W T O 164 countries and all have to agree for a trade deal..There are 10 countries against U K joining W T O.. The U K is 80% services.We will lose 70 trade deals if we leave,gov papers.Time for the brain dead Brexit supporters to wake up. No Jobs, 15% mortgage rates.Riots all over the place.The E U did not send planes to Poland ect. It was Labour and Tory governments that allowed it. Workers sacked and agencies taking over.  Every E U country has a €20-30000 min income plus private health care.Remember 10-15 million jobs will go. House  prices back to late 90’s level Unemployment back to 4-5 million. Is that what the brain dead want. Look at Scotland how rich we would be away from the U K.Bankrupt no health or pensions no jobs. That is U.K. Brexit 

Somebody call the cops

[jake]

1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Do you still count black peoples as you’re going to the odd football matches at Tynecastle along Gorgie Road? 

Pathetic

[Jambo-Jimbo]

11 hours ago, Boab1874 said:

All our freedoms are protected by the E U. We cannot let the U K scum bags take that away..W T O 164 countries and all have to agree for a trade deal..There are 10 countries against U K joining W T O.. The U K is 80% services.We will lose 70 trade deals if we leave,gov papers.Time for the brain dead Brexit supporters to wake up. No Jobs, 15% mortgage rates.Riots all over the place.The E U did not send planes to Poland ect. It was Labour and Tory governments that allowed it. Workers sacked and agencies taking over.  Every E U country has a €20-30000 min income plus private health care.Remember 10-15 million jobs will go. House  prices back to late 90’s level Unemployment back to 4-5 million. Is that what the brain dead want. Look at Scotland how rich we would be away from the U K.Bankrupt no health or pensions no jobs. That is U.K. Brexit 

 

You forgot to mention that the Earth will stop spinning and the Sun won't rise the day after we leave the EU.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

So who will be left in the cabinet to see Brexit through by the time the two Tory factions have committed hara kiri this Tuesday?

 

Even the uber self publicist Mooth is threatening to invent some principles to resign over.

 

What a carry on.

 

[Boris]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

So who will be left in the cabinet to see Brexit through by the time the two Tory factions have committed hara kiri this Tuesday?

 

Even the uber self publicist Mooth is threatening to invent some principles to resign over.

 

What a carry on.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45856784 

 

Yeah, I saw this.  Interesting that Ruth Davidson is aligning herself with the DUP.  Says it all about the Tories, I'd say.

Edited October 15, 2018 by Boris