Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: Her response to the lady was excellent, there is no prospect of even a 2nd referendum any time soon so nothing to worry about in living in Scotland and working in Newcastle. The question she asked was nothing to do with a 2nd Indy ref. Edited March 2, 2018 by Space Mackerel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Victorian said: He let something slip in that interview. Something about a position they've come to that should be acceptable to the EU and to the Tory Party. **** the country. Tory Party is happy. Job done. It wasn't even a slip. There's always been a barely concealed contempt for the electorate from that mob. It's probably worse now than ever given the fact that simpletons and old ***** have empowered them under the banner of fighting for Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, The Mighty Thor said: It wasn't even a slip. There's always been a barely concealed contempt for the electorate from that mob. It's probably worse now than ever given the fact that simpletons and old ***** have empowered them under the banner of fighting for Britain. With a superficial mandate by way of a UK taxpayer funded bribe to a bogus mob of utter cretins. The ultimate cling to power for no more purpose other than self aggrandisement and the satisfaction of psychotic zealots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: It wasn't even a slip. There's always been a barely concealed contempt for the electorate from that mob. It's probably worse now than ever given the fact that simpletons and old ***** have empowered them under the banner of fighting for Britain. Forgive me but do simpletons and old ***** not have a vote in this country? The metro - elite are all for democracy but only if you agree with them. By the way the Tory party won the most seats in the last election and are the legitimate government of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 34 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Coming over to our way of thinking eventually? What took you? No. Because the yes movement are proposing Scotland do similar with the UK as the UK is going to with the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: With a superficial mandate by way of a UK taxpayer funded bribe to a bogus mob of utter cretins. The ultimate cling to power for no more purpose other than self aggrandisement and the satisfaction of psychotic zealots. Wow, that is well thought out reasoning!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 minute ago, jambo lodge said: Forgive me but do simpletons and old ***** not have a vote in this country? The metro - elite are all for democracy but only if you agree with them. By the way the Tory party won the most seats in the last election and are the legitimate government of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: No. Because the yes movement are proposing Scotland do similar with the UK as the UK is going to with the EU. All about making the correct economic and social choices. Enjoy Brexit England then. Edited March 2, 2018 by Space Mackerel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, jambo lodge said: Wow, that is well thought out reasoning!! May had to check where Ireland was on the map before diving for the phone to buy the DUP. Legitimate my arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: May had to check where Ireland was on the map before diving for the phone to buy the DUP. Legitimate my arse. Another classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: All about making the correct economic and social choices. Enjoy Brexit England then. Racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, jambo lodge said: Another classic. Another non counter argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, jambo lodge said: Racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: Forgive me but do simpletons and old ***** not have a vote in this country? The metro - elite are all for democracy but only if you agree with them. By the way the Tory party won the most seats in the last election and are the legitimate government of the country. It's a Brexit thread. The empowerment I'm talking about is off the back of a campaign founded on porkies swallowed whole by the simpletons and old feckers that read the mail and express who believe that this country is fecked because of them immigrants and Europeans telling us what to do. My father/grandfather/great grandfather fought two world wars and one world cup for England sorry Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: All about making the correct economic and social choices. Enjoy Brexit England then. Look it's two sides of the same coin for indy and Brexit. I am a Scottish, British and European citizen. Why do I need to choose? As for economic and social choices, both Indy and Brexit have detrimental effects here. Worse before any better. I'll leave it there and focus on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: Forgive me but do simpletons and old ***** not have a vote in this country? The metro - elite are all for democracy but only if you agree with them. By the way the Tory party won the most seats in the last election and are the legitimate government of the country. Firstly - your first part is a fair question. The second - what about the Brexit elite? Thirdly - no one is disputing that. It's more a criticism of that party putting itself before country that's the issue. Oh that and it's internal bickering and muddled leadership at a time of national importance. On your first question those people do. But in a democracy we must accomodate all views if we are to serve the whole of the people. At the moment we seem to be serving the Tory right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: Why do I need to choose? Stop moaning about Brexit on here and eat your porage then!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 hour ago, JamboX2 said: Watch Gove on C4 news... jesus christ. We're now talking about being associate members of bodies across the EU with no say but paying in. He talked up the free trade deal they want being better than Canada's but it's worse than membership, massively worse. We laugh at facists in Italy. Yet we have a press backing UKIP and Farage. We denounce EU bureaucrats. We belittle the Civil Service. Mock experts. We praise obstructions to government - Boris, Fox, Mogg, Davis, Gove. Give money to the DUP whilst Stormont lies empty This nation is descending into a farce. Which parts of the British press support Farage and UKIP? Which, however repugnant they are, are not fascists. Why are EU bureaucrats and civil servants not open to criticism and opposition? One of the major obstacles to Corbyn' s plans for creating a socialist paradise will come from those sources. You can throw in the law lords there too The idea we should be ruled by so called "experts" is an old and vrry undemocratic one The DUP are elected members of the UK parliament whether Stormont is empty or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 hour ago, jambo lodge said: Agreed but she has to bring her party with her otherwise the votes in parliament wont add up. Who knows where Corbyn will be when the vote comes. As regards agricultural produce we have amongst the highest standards of food production in the world why would be change them.......same argument as for manufacturing. Are those standards above current eu standards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: Firstly - your first part is a fair question. The second - what about the Brexit elite? Thirdly - no one is disputing that. It's more a criticism of that party putting itself before country that's the issue. Oh that and it's internal bickering and muddled leadership at a time of national importance. On your first question those people do. But in a democracy we must accomodate all views if we are to serve the whole of the people. At the moment we seem to be serving the Tory right. The much criticised Brexit means Brexit was on the back of an agreed parliamentary referendum question in or out? The people spoke clearly to leave the EU. There is no Brexit elite as such just a healthy debate on what form it should take. The elite are still at it though, Blair, Mandelson, Major etc lets have another referendum, almost Sturgeon like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, jambo lodge said: The much criticised Brexit means Brexit was on the back of an agreed parliamentary referendum question in or out? The people spoke clearly to leave the EU. There is no Brexit elite as such just a healthy debate on what form it should take. The elite are still at it though, Blair, Mandelson, Major etc lets have another referendum, almost Sturgeon like. Are you in this? LOL!! You should be. https://www.army.mod.uk/who-we-are/corps-regiments-and-units/77th-brigade/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Boris said: Are those standards above current eu standards? They will have to match our standards if a deal is to be done otherwise our own farmers would be up in arms.......and they have the ear of government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said: Are you in this? LOL!! You should be. https://www.army.mod.uk/who-we-are/corps-regiments-and-units/77th-brigade/ Usual crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Just now, jambo lodge said: Usual crap. Doubt you wouldve passed selection going by the guff you post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: Usual crap. What we do Audience, Actor and Adversary Analysis Information Activity and Outreach Counter-adversarial Information Activity Support to Partners Across Government Collecting media content Disseminating Media Monitoring the information environment Evaluating the information environment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: What we do Audience, Actor and Adversary Analysis Information Activity and Outreach Counter-adversarial Information Activity Support to Partners Across Government Collecting media content Disseminating Media Monitoring the information environment Evaluating the information environment Space, WADR, could you give it a rest? I don't agree with jambo lodge either, but posting shite like that just makes you look like a wally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: Space, WADR, could you give it a rest? I don't agree with jambo lodge either, but posting shite like that just makes you look like a wally. Hows it shite? The Regiment was formed in 2015. Given you a bit of a scare? Same rules apply for all social media nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Hows it shite? The Regiment was formed in 2015. Given you a bit of a scare? Same rules apply for all social media nowadays. I'm presuming you're just being smart-arsed with the guy rather than actually engaging in any of that flakey conspiracy theory nonsense. I mean I disagree with him, but so what? I disagree with many of the people posting on the thread and 52% of the UK's voters in the Brexit referendum. Put it like this. If a person makes an argument with someone like jambo lodge by using information and data, they can come across as rational and their argument sounds reasoned. When someone comes out with shite suggesting the guy is some kind of operative, they just sound like a nutcase. Try not to be the guy who sounds like a nutcase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ulysses said: I'm presuming you're just being smart-arsed with the guy rather than actually engaging in any of that flakey conspiracy theory nonsense. I mean I disagree with him, but so what? I disagree with many of the people posting on the thread and 52% of the UK's voters in the Brexit referendum. Put it like this. If a person makes an argument with someone like jambo lodge by using information and data, they can come across as rational and their argument sounds reasoned. When someone comes out with shite suggesting the guy is some kind of operative, they just sound like a nutcase. Try not to be the guy who sounds like a nutcase. Yeah, sorry for presuming Jambo lodge is an agent of the deep state ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Yeah, sorry for presuming Jambo lodge is an agent of the deep state ? I thought you were just being a smart arse to him, but that's a matter for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ulysses said: I thought you were just being a smart arse to him, but that's a matter for yourself. I was making a general point to the board (using his quotes as collateral) that there are bigger and stronger forces at work behind the scenes. A lot of people on here use social media, they should be aware fully what goes on, be it Brexit, Indy 2, Syria, Trump or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: I was making a general point to the board (using his quotes as collateral) that there are bigger and stronger forces at work behind the scenes. A lot of people on here use social media, they should be aware fully what goes on, be it Brexit, Indy 2, Syria, Trump or whatever. Whatever. He's as entitled to his opinion as the next guy. Even wankers like us. Can we get back to talking about Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Whatever. He's as entitled to his opinion as the next guy. Even wankers like us. Can we get back to talking about Brexit? Crack on, I didn't derail the thread by going off about other peoples replies to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said: Crack on, I didn't derail the thread by going off about other peoples replies to others. I didn't say you did. You derailed the thread by saying something monumentally stupid. I'm not setting the bar all that high here, Space. Do your best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ulysses said: I didn't say you did. You derailed the thread by saying something monumentally stupid. I'm not setting the bar all that high here, Space. Do your best. You’re derailing the thread again. Thought you wanted to talk about Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: It wasn't even a slip. There's always been a barely concealed contempt for the electorate from that mob. It's probably worse now than ever given the fact that simpletons and old ***** have empowered them under the banner of fighting for Britain. You talk of contempt and post about old feckers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: mvemjsnup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 John Major is calling for a free vote in Parliament on the outcome of Brexit. https://www.ft.com/content/03de76f0-1c92-11e8-956a-43db76e69936 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, jake said: You talk of contempt and post about old feckers I don't agree with Brexit, but I don't agree with berating the people who voted for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ulysses said: I don't agree with Brexit, but I don't agree with berating the people who voted for it. I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 54 minutes ago, Ulysses said: mvemjsnup indeed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: Stop moaning about Brexit on here and eat your porage then!!! Misses my point. Where is the necessity in these votes on whether we are in or out of something? None if us are oppressed and by and large we've done better with both unions than without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 56 minutes ago, Ulysses said: John Major is calling for a free vote in Parliament on the outcome of Brexit. https://www.ft.com/content/03de76f0-1c92-11e8-956a-43db76e69936 Irish folk rejoice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, JamboX2 said: Misses my point. Where is the necessity in these votes on whether we are in or out of something? None if us are oppressed and by and large we've done better with both unions than without. “None of us are oppressed” The new neuvo riche Corbynistas speak the truth ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Ulysses said: I don't agree with Brexit, but I don't agree with berating the people who voted for it. We should. Old people are not affected by the short term effects of Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 hours ago, jambo lodge said: The much criticised Brexit means Brexit was on the back of an agreed parliamentary referendum question in or out? The people spoke clearly to leave the EU. There is no Brexit elite as such just a healthy debate on what form it should take. The elite are still at it though, Blair, Mandelson, Major etc lets have another referendum, almost Sturgeon like. There's an "elite" on both sides here. An elite is a group with power, influence and money. How Mogg, Johnson, Dacre, Gove, Farage, Banks and groups like the DUP and papers like the Mail, Express and Telegraph do not collectively constitute an elite I'm not quite sure. On the form it should take, all those you mention have entered that debate and want a soft brexit. They've all said why. And they're also giving reasons for why parliamentary sovereignty should be properly exercised over a final say over the will of the executive. Why then should we be calling one lot an elite and another not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: “None of us are oppressed” The new neuvo riche Corbynistas speak the truth ? Neuvo riche? Aren't you the one banging on about his business and money in these threads? You can vote for who you want, have a fair trial, have free speech and the rest. How are you politically oppressed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, JamboX2 said: Neuvo riche? Aren't you the one banging on about his business and money in these threads? You can vote for who you want, have a fair trial, have free speech and the rest. How are you politically oppressed? I’m well off. I would like to see a fairer resdistribution of wealth. Think of me like the MD of Timpons the cobblers then you’ll get a drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Which parts of the British press support Farage and UKIP? Which, however repugnant they are, are not fascists. Anti-immigrant, nationalistic, one man band, anti-non British, rightist leaning... The Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph have all tacitly backed the same narrative as UKIP and Farage. Airing his views in mass media like they often do via editorials etc is clear to see. Seen the front covers of the Daily Mail in the run up to the referendum? Bit ukipy. 4 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Why are EU bureaucrats and civil servants not open to criticism and opposition? For what they do wrong, yes. For doing their job and preparing forecasts on growth etc they shouldn't. The strength of the UK comes from highly professional groups like civil service running things with little political interference. Look to the USA for the outcomes of a politicised civil service; still a lot of ambassadors for Trump to appoint... 4 hours ago, Francis Albert said: One of the major obstacles to Corbyn' s plans for creating a socialist paradise will come from those sources. You can throw in the law lords there too And yet... a lot more EU nations than not have nationalised utilities.... some run ours! Deary me. Big bad EU preventing us nationalising Scotrail but lets the nationalised Dutch railways do it... 4 hours ago, Francis Albert said: The idea we should be ruled by so called "experts" is an old and vrry undemocratic one The DUP are elected members of the UK parliament whether Stormont is empty or not Who's saying we should disregard democracy?!? I'm arguing experts should be consulted and unlike Gove said "(we've) had enough of them". The DUP and SF are frankly obstructionists. And the fact that they win nowadays compared to rational folk in the UUP and SDLP nuts. Fact is though the DUP is the largest NI party in the last Stormont election yet it struggles to accept it ahould govern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: I’m well off. I would like to see a fairer resdistribution of wealth. Think of me like the MD of Timpons the cobblers then you’ll get a drift. I see. And how do you, like Timpsons, put this into practice? I'm not as well off as you Spacey. So don't presume to call me "nuevo riche". Whilst in a decent profession I'm struggling to put a foot on the housing ladder or afford rent in Edinburgh. But bash on with presumptions. Perhaps my views of the flaws in Scotland and the UK are formed by the fact that unlike you I'm not well off and can see the crap in the utterings of strawmen offering jam tomorrow. If anything you're nouveau riche. Edited March 3, 2018 by JamboX2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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