Shooting on Vegas strip

[Boab]

Hypocrisy at it's finest. So not the people who, as I've said, use the European attacks as something of a playing card to justify their own usage of guns? Not the people who use these incidents while trying to 1-up in an arguement? Not the people who insist Europe "deserved" it's attacks for trying to be sympathetic to refugees?

 

They've had these gun massacres for decades now and they've not done anything about it at all. Even to the softest and most sympathetic person their patience and sympathy would be tested. They just won't learn, and now so many of them are using European attacks to justify regular citizens having shotguns ffs.

You don't even know what hypocrisy means.

You have been posting hypocritical nonsense since you came on the thread.

Another shambles, and the words of condemnation from others tells it's own story.

[peter_hmfc]

I know a number of people who were at that concert last night (thankfully all have reported safe). What a horrible, delusional individual you are. An utter disgrace. Nothing else to say. 

 

 

If 20 children being murdered at Sandy hook doesn't prompt them to change gun laws then there's no chance this will.

 

I honestly thought that would be "the one" that made the difference but apparently not, then again a lot of people will have been sure Pulse would have been the final straw, but again... .

 

Reports saying 8 rifles found in the room and mixed reports on whether the police killed him or he killed himself. Some of the witness accounts are harrowing with friends and partners falling down around them having been hit. America has to decide if this is the price they want to pay for the right to own guns(particularly AR's) and arguably the answer has been given many times that they are willing to accept this despite the immediate aftermath of these and similar events.

 

I fear the death and injured toll to risk considerably.

 

I actually think the pro-gun people will use the fact that it was an illegal automatic that's incredibly difficult to get even on the black market (so I've heard) as a defence. They'll insist that it wasn't a gun a regular citizen would have so the usual "I'm a responsible gun owner, why should we be punished?" line will be rolled out, and the old "Criminals will alwys have guns." noise.

[luckyBatistuta]

If 20 children being murdered at Sandy hook doesn't prompt them to change gun laws then there's no chance this will.

Sad, but true. They just will not give it up.

[Maple Leaf]

The real tragedy here is that this mass killing is just a blip in the statistics.

 

On average, 90 Americans die each day from gunshots.  If one was to do a bar chart of gun deaths over a year, there would be a wee spike on October 1, nothing more.

 

By this time next week, Las Vegas will be barely in the news.  That's how immune Americans have become to gun violence.

[Sharpie]

Up to 2015 september actually my wife and I had gone to Vegas three times a year. For numerous reasons we have not gone the last two years. In conversation we have commented on how we don't miss it so much as we thought we would.  One of my reasons was that lately there had been a shooting on the Strip, there had been a vehicle running down pedestrians, and when you just think of the volumes of people on the Strip, in the Casinos and places like the Malls at Caesers, Venetian and Planet Hollywood  the big mystery is not why it happened but is actually why did it take so long.

 

I can as I have experienced it just imagine the total devastation of those who will be advised of the passing of their close relatives who have died so tragically, when only in the location to enjoy themselves, my heart goes out to them.  There are comments about people videoing the happenings and after actions, this is 2017, the equipment to do so is available, we all relish Facebook, and the other sites, it is just nowadays a natural rection to activate the video. The hard truth is that possiblye should be able to see what a crime site is like, as have others on here I have arrived at scenes of course nothing comparable in numbers to this, but the horror of violent death is something that only a few meet, mebbe now we should all realise just how horrific, terrifying it is, and how those responsible should after due process be punished severely.

 

As far as gun control once again I will express my opinion that gun laws achieve nothing. Canada has legislation that prohibits the type of weapoms that are commonly used in these incidents, in the outer Vancouver area we have had again not with the numbers as today, but a shooting with the automatic type weapons used today. Bad people who do bad things can get from other bad people the tools to do what they may.

 

With regard that America deserves this, since childhood having been idoctrinated by movies I have had great feeling for America and Americans, one thing I will say for sure the kind of people who were probably victims today did not deserve this end to their lives.

[luckyBatistuta]

I honestly thought that would be "the one" that made the difference but apparently not, then again a lot of people will have been sure Pulse would have been the final straw, but again... .

 

So therefore grounds for these citizens of the US and other nationalities being murdered and injured in public, because the people in power allow psychopaths like Stephen Paddock to carry a gun.

[peter_hmfc]

So therefore grounds for these citizens of the US and other nationalities being murdered and injured in public, because the people in power allow psychopaths like Stephen Paddock to carry a gun.

 

 

You can't realistically have it both ways, you can't have a nation with around 300,000,000 guns and not expect mass shootings or incidents such as this.

 

There is a reason you don't hear about mass-shootings in the UK and Australia any more.

[luckyBatistuta]

 

You can't realistically have it both ways, you can't have a nation with around 300,000,000 guns and not expect mass shootings.

 

There is a reason you don't hear about mass-shootings in the UK and Australia any more.

Of course there is a reason, but how the #### is that the fault of the innocent people who were gunned down. I didn't realise that every time I take my family on holiday to America, we all deserve to get gunned down in the street. Your just not right.

[peter_hmfc]

Of course there is a reason, but how the #### is that the fault of the innocent people who were gunned down. I didn't realise that every time I take my family on holiday to America, we all deserve to get gunned down in the street. Your just not right.

 

The actual hell are you talking about ?

[AlimOzturk]

Hypocrisy at it's finest. So not the people who, as I've said, use the European attacks as something of a playing card to justify their own usage of guns? Not the people who use these incidents while trying to 1-up in an arguement? Not the people who insist Europe "deserved" it's attacks for trying to be sympathetic to refugees?

 

They've had these gun massacres for decades now and they've not done anything about it at all. Even to the softest and most sympathetic person their patience and sympathy would be tested. They just won't learn, and now so many of them are using European attacks to justify regular citizens having shotguns ffs.

You keep using the term "they" like the 50 people massacred and 200 others injured had this big massive say in guns laws in America. These are inncocent people no matter what they think or believe.

 

Could be people on this board personally Affected by these events and you post pish like that.

 

Gone do one.

[Bridge of Djoum]

Finding it hard to have any sympathy for them at all to be honest. Recently the way Americans have borderline-celebrated terrorist attacks in Europe is beyond repulsive. The Paris attacks are practically an annual holiday in the US.

I've never read such utter horseshit

[Peebo]

 

You can't realistically have it both ways, you can't have a nation with around 300,000,000 guns and not expect mass shootings or incidents such as this.

 

There is a reason you don't hear about mass-shootings in the UK and Australia any more.

People do expect it. And sadly, the country accepts it. Prayers sent, shoulders shrugged and people move on.

 

Doesn?t make these incidents any less shocking, nor those affected less deserving of sympathy. The country itself also needs to be pitied, as history and the power within mean that this is a cross that it looks like they will bear for a long, long time.

[Boab]

The actual hell are you talking about ?

 

You'll never know.

[peter_hmfc]

I've never read such utter horseshit.

 

 

Wouldn't be a Kickback discussion if Fidel didn't show up exploiting an opportunity to dish out meaningless senseless abuse that offers nothing to the actual thread: .

[Boab]

Wouldn't be a Kickback discussion if Fidel didn't show up exploiting an opportunity to dish out meaningless senseless abuse that offers nothing to the actual thread .

You're getting the hang of hypocrisy now, Pedro !

 

We're getting there....small steps !

[Bridge of Djoum]

Wouldn't be a Kickback discussion if Fidel didn't show up exploiting an opportunity to dish out meaningless senseless abuse that offers nothing to the actual thread .

You just don't know when to stop, do you?

 

Even after every single person on this thread has condemned your words, you still don't get it. You are a disgrace and an embarrassment.

[luckyBatistuta]

Wouldn't be a Kickback discussion if Fidel didn't show up exploiting an opportunity to dish out meaningless senseless abuse that offers nothing to the actual thread .

Meaningless senseless abuse that offers nothing to the actual thread...are you typing this in front of a mirror?

 

 

Unlike you I have sympathy for them. Heck, I even have sympathy for you...Get well soon

[peter_hmfc]

You just don't know when to stop, do you?

 

Even after every single person on this thread has condemned your words, you still don't get it. You are a disgrace and an embarrassment. 

 

*Complains when other people don't add anything to the discussion... then adds nothing to the discussion.*

 

*Dishes out pointless abuse... cries when someone reponds similarly.*

 

Carry on about other people being a disgrace and an embarrassment though, bash on.

 

[Bridge of Djoum]

*Complains when other people don't add anything to the discussion... then adds nothing to the discussion.*

 

*Dishes out pointless abuse... cries when someone reponds similarly.*

 

Carry on about other people being a disgrace and an embarrassment though, bash on.

 

Oh, ok. Let's try this.

 

Please post links to Americans celebrating attacks on Europe.

It's just that I live here and did not see a single person article or news story celebrating it.

 

You're little online persona of trying to be controversial might stand up better if you actually knew what the **** you were on about. You're just not bright enough to pull it off.

When you eventually leave your mother's basement and enter the world inhabited by adults and people who challenge you to your face, you're gonna be shafted, kiddo.

 

Reply at will, you're on ignore now.

[iantjambo]

Think this thread?s reaching its conclusion quicker than anticipated.

 

Not quite sure why we bother with Mods anymore.

 

I?m out.

Just caught up and have to say that I'm disgusted with the with the turn that the thread has taken.

 

One poster in particular seems to have succeeded in making the thread all about himself.

[peter_hmfc]

Oh, ok. Let's try this.

 

Please post links to Americans celebrating attacks on Europe.

It's just that I live here and did not see a single person article or news story celebrating it.

 

You're little online persona of trying to be controversial might stand up better if you actually knew what the **** you were on about. You're just not bright enough to pull it off.

When you eventually leave your mother's basement and enter the world inhabited by adults and people who challenge you to your face, you're gonna be shafted, kiddo.

 

Reply at will, you're on ignore now.

 

That's a great idea.

 

[luckyBatistuta]

Oh, ok. Let's try this.

 

Please post links to Americans celebrating attacks on Europe.

It's just that I live here and did not see a single person article or news story celebrating it.

 

You're little online persona of trying to be controversial might stand up better if you actually knew what the **** you were on about. You're just not bright enough to pull it off.

When you eventually leave your mother's basement and enter the world inhabited by adults and people who challenge you to your face, you're gonna be shafted, kiddo.

 

Reply at will, you're on ignore now.

I'm looking forward to seeing him try to find that, I'll let you know bud, but don't hold your breath.

[Bridge of Djoum]

I'm looking forward to seeing him try to find that, I'll let you know bud, but don't hold your breath.

He'll most likely just post a rofl or Cornette. That's his MO.

[AlphonseCapone]

Some people were apparently celebratory towards the Paris attacks. They were American.

 

Innocent people, their opinion on the Paris attacks we don't know, nor even their nationality, were asking for it because it was in America.

 

That is the logic?

[Ibrahim Tall]

Finding it hard to have any sympathy for them at all to be honest. Recently the way Americans have borderline-celebrated terrorist attacks in Europe is beyond repulsive. The Paris attacks are practically an annual holiday in the US.

Based on averages and also where it happened I'd imagine a decent percentage of the 50 + 400 odd aren't Americans, a decent number are probably even British. Do you feel any sympathy for them?

[Morgan]

Finding it hard to have any sympathy for them at all to be honest. Recently the way Americans have borderline-celebrated terrorist attacks in Europe is beyond repulsive. The Paris attacks are practically an annual holiday in the US.

Just reading through this thread and am absolutely stunned at this post.

 

I probably shouldn't be considering who the author is but it still defies belief.

[Morgan]

Just caught up and have to say that I'm disgusted with the with the turn that the thread has taken.

One poster in particular seems to have succeeded in making the thread all about himself.

He very much enjoys doing that very thing Ian.

[Morgan]

Meaningless senseless abuse that offers nothing to the actual thread...are you typing this in front of a mirror?

Unlike you I have sympathy for them. Heck, I even have sympathy for you...Get well soon

Sorry for my third consecutive post but I am reading through the thread and responding one by one.

 

Well said LB.

[Morgan]

You really should think before you post, and if you did then you really are a repulsive individual.

Nod.

[The Internet]

ISIS claiming responsibility

 

 

Possibly 70 dead now.

[Morgan]

ISIS claiming responsibility

Possibly 70 dead now.

Jesus Christ.

 

These poor folk.

[Tazio]

ISIS claiming responsibility

Possibly 70 dead now.

The thing is though that it isn't impossible. A clever individual getting inside a disturbed persons head and getting them to commit things. Manson was a good example.

 

I don't believe it yet in this case though as we have very few facts either way so won't jump. Some will though.

[Sharpie]

Watching a number of channels it would seem the man lived in a small town named Mesquite.  They say he lived in a 55+ gated community in what is a fairly popular area for retirees.  I have passed through Mesquite a couple of times, I honestly cannot remember seeing any residences, there are a couple of fairly big hotel/casinos and gas stations which were the reason for my stop.  If I recall it is just under a couple of hours from there to Vegas. The reports say no records indicating problems with the individual before, and that he possibly commited suicide after the shootings.

 

What on earth puts you into a mindset to do something so horrible, and allow you to plan it  in advance without causing you to have second thoughts and restrain yourself.

[iantjambo]

The thing is though that it isn't impossible. A clever individual getting inside a disturbed persons head and getting them to commit things. Manson was a good example.

 

I don't believe it in this case though as we have very few facts either way so won't jump. Some will though.

ISIS are claiming that he converted to Islam several months ago.

 

Whether that's true or not remains to be seen.

[elvoys]

ISIS are claiming that he converted to Islam several months ago.

 

Whether that's true or not remains to be seen.

 

A lot of folk will immediately pour scorn on this as there seems to be a widely held belief that 'they just claim anything'. That simply hasn't been the case because the value of their propaganda is pretty much the be all for them. You will note things like stabbings of a rabbi Strasbourg, Israeli in London by a Norwegian as examples of stuff they never claimed.

 

if the claim has come directly from Amaq (their propaganda wing and it may be a forgery) then their will have almost certainly have been a pledge of allegiance ('bayah') to Al Bagdadi, either in video from the scene or before this.

 

It would be very, very off form or a sign of desperation for them to simply be thinking he has offed himself so we can tag ourselves onto him here. Maybe it is bs but this would be pretty much unprecedented I think, especially on this scale although at same time,  the Philippines casino one was BS a few months back. T

[maroonlegions]

Just caught up and have to say that I'm disgusted with the with the turn that the thread has taken.

 

One poster in particular seems to have succeeded in making the thread all about himself.

 

He is getting away with it too.

 

Sad,sad day for all those killed or  injured and the families affected by this cowardly act.

 

What can drive another human being to commit such atrocities, is mental illness in this age we live in  so hidden and misunderstood  that the boy next door could turn.. 

 

Is mental illness/depression got so severe today atricities like this happen.

 

I mean, outside of terrorist motivated acts , is there a real need for a better understanding of the causes of  modern age mental illnesses. Is there more that needs to be done to tackle mental illness.

[Sharpie]

As I have said in a previous post I have been surfing news channels, one has suggested that he the shooter has spent a lot of money recently gambling, no report whether winning or losing, this does also sound a reasonable cause of dramatic action if losing was a factor.

 

Watched Trump giving his talk, much as I dislike and disrespect the man, in fairness I must give him credit for his excellent words in sympathy with the victims.

[iantjambo]

He is getting away with it too.

 

Sad,sad day for all those killed or injured and the families affected by this cowardly act.

 

What can drive another human being to commit such atrocities, is mental illness in this age we live in so hidden and misunderstood that the boy next door could turn..

 

Is mental illness/depression got so severe today atricities like this happen.

 

I mean, outside of terrorist motivated acts , is there a real need for a better understanding of the causes of modern age mental illnesses. Is there more that needs to be done to tackle mental illness.

He's went quiet so either he's satisfied that he got the reaction he was after or he's been thread banned.

 

 

Got to admit that I'd like to get into the head of someone like Stephen Paddock just to understand how they tick and what drives them to do what they do.

[The Internet]

The shooters brother was interviewed by one of the American news stations. Pretty hard to watch, the poor guy clearly had no idea this was even remotely possible.

[hughesie27]

58 people at least so far.

[Craig Gordons Gloves]

Deadliest in history.  Yet I come into work this morning and there isn't much chat about it at all.  Mainly because as has been mentioned, people are immune to shit like this happening.  They're not bad people, it just doesn't show up.  I'm one of them -i woke up this morning, read the news and the impact on me was less than pulse, which was less than Sandy Hook which was less than whatever was before that.  It's sad how dead you become to these kind of incidents.

 

On another note - almost everyone I know, including many gun owners are in favour of controls and background checks so not all gun owners over here are NRA arseholes. Mind you, the majority of those that I know have hunting rifles and that's about it. 

 

 

[hughesie27]

Over 500 injured.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

The very first thing I saw posted on Facebook about this was from a gun nuts group that a friend of mine from law school is a member of.

 

The admin of the group posted a link to a story about the shooting and wrote "it's going to be a tough few days".

 

That was the first thing on his mind.  That it was going to be tough for a few days to defend his "right" to own weapons of mass killing in the face of people outraged at this.

 

Words cannot adequately express my loathing for my countrymen at times.

 

You should ask him why does anybody need at least 10 rifles?  You can only fire one at a time so why does anybody need 10+?

 

Genuine Question.

Doesn't someone buying gun after gun after gun, even over an extended period of time, not get flagged up on some database somewhere, assuming they are all legally held.

If legally held, surely someone must seen X number of guns registered to this one person and questions should be asked as to why you need that many guns, or does it not work that way, because maybe it should do.

[The Internet]

Over 500 injured.

That's just crazy. Loads of folk must have been hurt in the rush to get away.

[Hendricks]

Deadliest in history.  Yet I come into work this morning and there isn't much chat about it at all.  Mainly because as has been mentioned, people are immune to shit like this happening.  They're not bad people, it just doesn't show up.  I'm one of them -i woke up this morning, read the news and the impact on me was less than pulse, which was less than Sandy Hook which was less than whatever was before that.  It's sad how dead you become to these kind of incidents.

 

On another note - almost everyone I know, including many gun owners are in favour of controls and background checks so not all gun owners over here are NRA arseholes. Mind you, the majority of those that I know have hunting rifles and that's about it. 

 

 

Have had a very different experience this morning possibly because I know a lot of people who live in or near Las Vegas and indeed several (all of whom are fine) were at the concert last night. I actually saw pictures and videos of them at the earlier part of yesterday's festival before I went to sleep so it was pretty shocking to wake to the news and be scrambling around to get updates. Most had already put confirmation on their social media timelines. I've subsequently seen real time videos etc which are just horrendous. Some saw dead bodies so are going to be psychologically effected for goodness knows how long. Few had been able to stay with those they attended with such was the chaos.

 

I think its safe to say that security entering Las Vegas hotels/casinos will change forever on the back of this nightmare. I've attended various conventions and events with many thousands of people own Vegas and on numerous occasions it has crossed my mind that it is a sitting duck for a terrorist or mass shooting situation. Now its happened. Whether at long last there is any move towards gun reform who knows but there damn well should be. Very very few American's I know believe that legislations shoudn't be tightened and changed massively even if the basis of the 2nd Amendment remains in place. There is simply no reason for people to have access to the types of weapons used to massacre these innocent people. 

[Francis Albert]

You should ask him why does anybody need at least 10 rifles?  You can only fire one at a time so why does anybody need 10+?

 

Genuine Question.

Doesn't someone buying gun after gun after gun, even over an extended period of time, not get flagged up on some database somewhere, assuming they are all legally held.

If legally held, surely someone must seen X number of guns registered to this one person and questions should be asked as to why you need that many guns, or does it not work that way, because maybe it should do.

In Nevada there are apparently  some checks on people buying from gun shops, although I am not sure how strictly they are applied. But there is no control of the private sale of guns. So in a place like Las Vegas in particular where it will not be difficult to find someone short of readies,  no-one, whatever their history of mental illness or gun crime would have any difficulty in acquiring as many guns as they want, Slip a hundred or so dollars (if that much) to someone who will pass the checks, and you are home and dry. 

 

I puzzle a bit over why people protesting over the removal of a statue bring tens of thousands onto the streets across America in counter-protest. But there is no mass movement protesting against the ludicrous US gun laws,

 

After the Charleston shootings a few years ago I watched on US television endless comedic riffs on the outrage of the presence of a Confederate flag near the state capitol, culminating in a mock up of a Union Flag flying on the White House lawn to illustrate how inappropriate  flying the Confederate flag was. None of the right on liberal satirists involved had the wit or courage to say that while flying the British flag would be absurd. introducing something more like UK gun laws might not be such a bad idea.

[Cade]

ISIL also claimed responsibility for the casino shooting in the Phillipines that turned out to be a gambler with huge debts, a drinking problem and a grudge against the casino.
They claim responsibility for everything. Very rarely is a link found.

 

 

[Peebo]

In Nevada there are apparently some checks on people buying from gun shops, although I am not sure how strictly they are applied. But there is no control of the private sale of guns. So in a place like Las Vegas in particular where it will not be difficult to find someone short of readies, no-one, whatever their history of mental illness or gun crime would have any difficulty in acquiring as many guns as they want, Slip a hundred or so dollars (if that much) to someone who will pass the checks, and you are home and dry.

 

I puzzle a bit over why people protesting over the removal of a statue bring tens of thousands onto the streets across America in counter-protest. But there is no mass movement protesting against the ludicrous US gun laws,

 

After the Charleston shootings a few years ago I watched on US television endless comedic riffs on the outrage of the presence of a Confederate flag near the state capitol, culminating in a mock up of a Union Flag flying on the White House lawn to illustrate how inappropriate flying the Confederate flag was. None of the right on liberal satirists involved had the wit or courage to say that while flying the British flag would be absurd. introducing something more like UK gun laws might not be such a bad idea.

Some valid points, but worth noting that NRA conventions do draw protests (I recall some in Houston a few years back), and there are pro-gun-control movements that do hold events.

 

I?d imagine if there was a pro-gun ownership rally held somewhere, there would be counter protests. Sadly, there is no need for the former to happen.

[Jamboelite]

As I have said in a previous post I have been surfing news channels, one has suggested that he the shooter has spent a lot of money recently gambling, no report whether winning or losing, this does also sound a reasonable cause of dramatic action if losing was a factor.

 

Watched Trump giving his talk, much as I dislike and disrespect the man, in fairness I must give him credit for his excellent words in sympathy with the victims.

This is not the thread for this discussion but his reaction to what is likely a domestic incident compared to a terror attack is quite noticable.

 

515 injured, i can only assume some most of these people were injured trying to escape and not shot.

[William H. Bonney]

This is not the thread for this discussion but his reaction to what is likely a domestic incident compared to a terror attack is quite noticable.

 

515 injured, i can only assume some most of these people were injured trying to escape and not shot.

Probably trampled on trying to flee.