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6 hours ago, Justin Z said:

:rofl:

 

 

Most brexitons wouldn't have a clue what he's talking about. 

I had hoped he'd explain how UK citizens in NI can apply for EU passports and retain their freedom of movement rights (while the rest of us are fecked, obviously) but when you've got Tory MPs tweeting the world that any Brit can apply for an Irish passport you can see why it took SO long to "get a deal". 

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30 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Meanwhile in the sunny uplands of the fishing world .....
 

 

 

Happy to ruin many other people's hopes and dreams because he thought it would benefit his family and his industry. Don't have any sympathy for him.

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9 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Happy to ruin many other people's hopes and dreams because he thought it would benefit his family and his industry. Don't have any sympathy for him.

 

...while ignoring expert advice to the contrary. Sounds oddly familiar 🤔

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49 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Meanwhile in the sunny uplands of the fishing world .....
 

 

 

 

tough feckin titty

 

He knew what he was voting for.

 

Prick.

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9 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

"Slow puncture effect".

 

That'll help my kids future in this shitty island ran by millionaire arseholes!

The slow puncture effect in the financial services sector is well underway. Mind boggling sums involved and when the dust settles in a few years time, I fear what the total cost to us all will be.

 

They knew what they voted for.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/brexit-has-driven-2500-finance-jobs-and-170bn-to-france-says-bank-governor?fbclid=IwAR2Hnc2g8QIX3-609XDaVL6TFqiHoIGz8FzDVQbr7n4OMVx8FHIJU6MoSco

 

 

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6 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Most brexitons wouldn't have a clue what he's talking about. 

I had hoped he'd explain how UK citizens in NI can apply for EU passports and retain their freedom of movement rights (while the rest of us are fecked, obviously) but when you've got Tory MPs tweeting the world that any Brit can apply for an Irish passport you can see why it took SO long to "get a deal". 

 

EU passports?  Like, one of these?

 

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1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

The slow puncture effect in the financial services sector is well underway. Mind boggling sums involved and when the dust settles in a few years time, I fear what the total cost to us all will be.

 

They knew what they voted for.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/brexit-has-driven-2500-finance-jobs-and-170bn-to-france-says-bank-governor?fbclid=IwAR2Hnc2g8QIX3-609XDaVL6TFqiHoIGz8FzDVQbr7n4OMVx8FHIJU6MoSco

 

 

I just don’t understand what has happened here tbh. Who is benefiting? It’s a slowly unfolding fecking disaster...

Id like to see odds on us rejoining in the next year or so tbh. 

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12 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Happy to ruin many other people's hopes and dreams because he thought it would benefit his family and his industry. Don't have any sympathy for him.

I don't get the vitriolic attitude towards people who voted brexit. The Johnson and Farage, Yes, but not someone who thinks it's what's best for his family. 

 

Please don't tell me folk would rather go bust than make someone else go bust. Bollox, you protect your own first and always. 

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I'm glad for the people of Sunderland they don't get put thro what many towns in Scotland went thro, when Companies left them and Thatcher didn't put other things in place to keep folk from despair. 

 

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13 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Most brexitons wouldn't have a clue what he's talking about. 

I had hoped he'd explain how UK citizens in NI can apply for EU passports and retain their freedom of movement rights (while the rest of us are fecked, obviously) but when you've got Tory MPs tweeting the world that any Brit can apply for an Irish passport you can see why it took SO long to "get a deal". 

See if I was a Unionist PM who didn't want Scotland to leave, I'd have negotiated with EU for Scotland to retain what NI have retained. It would have put The SNP on the back foot for a bit and made it really difficult to argue for indyref 2. But hey, thank feck we have English nationalism at the top table of Wm. 

 

If we must have border checks England and Wales vs the EU.27. 🤔

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2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I don't get the vitriolic attitude towards people who voted brexit. The Johnson and Farage, Yes, but not someone who thinks it's what's best for his family. 

 

Not having sympathy for someone is hardly vitriolic.

 

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

 

Please don't tell me folk would rather go bust than make someone else go bust. Bollox, you protect your own first and always. 

 

He wasn't about to go bust. He just wanted more. 

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Fishermen got greedy, all they were thinking of was getting more and more quota and profit and they never thought it through.

Now they're able to catch more fish, but they're getting less for it so all that's ended up is that they're working harder for less gain.

We told them so.

They refused to listen.

We told them so again.

They did a silly wee flotilla down the Thames with Kate Hoey and Nigel Farage.

We told them so yet again.

They voted leave.

Now the cold dawn of reality is hitting them.

Feck 'em.

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6 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I don't get the vitriolic attitude towards people who voted brexit. The Johnson and Farage, Yes, but not someone who thinks it's what's best for his family. 

 

Please don't tell me folk would rather go bust than make someone else go bust. Bollox, you protect your own first and always. 

I do.

It's interesting to contrast the arguments on here for brexit and for/against independence. 

One had literally no cost benefit analysis done* (in fact, not a single economic argument was ever put forward other than unicorns like fish & "trade deals" , but emotion  won the day. 

Now, compare it to the independence debate. 

That should tell you all you need to know. 

 

* Even when  businesses warned voters it was in UKs best interests to stay, that advice was ignored. 

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7 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I don't get the vitriolic attitude towards people who voted brexit. The Johnson and Farage, Yes, but not someone who thinks it's what's best for his family. 

 

Please don't tell me folk would rather go bust than make someone else go bust. Bollox, you protect your own first and always. 

Remember the farmer who relied on Eastern European countries labour to pick his crop? On the C4 Dispatches programme he conceded that voting for Brexit would mean he would be out of business. One of the quotes, David Figgis said he voted for what he thinks is “better for my country” but added: “Personally, it’s a disaster.”


Not quite in tune with your point, but that is a special type of person. He was so conned, that he was willing to vote for likely having to wind up has family business in order to “benefit” his country. I struggle to make sense of that, like much of Brexiteer thinking. 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-backing-fruit-farmer-shares-fears-after-voting-leave-despite-relying-on-eastern-european-labour-a4111936.html

 

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2 hours ago, Cade said:

Fishermen got greedy, all they were thinking of was getting more and more quota and profit and they never thought it through.

Now they're able to catch more fish, but they're getting less for it so all that's ended up is that they're working harder for less gain.

We told them so.

They refused to listen.

We told them so again.

They did a silly wee flotilla down the Thames with Kate Hoey and Nigel Farage.

We told them so yet again.

They voted leave.

Now the cold dawn of reality is hitting them.

Feck 'em.

This. All day long. 

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If Brexit does end up turning out to be harmful to the UK, at least most of the protagonists for it can be held accountable in their roles within the current government. No hiding places for the Conservative party from this one. They pushed for it, got it through the people and Parliament, and negotiated the terms of, what we were told would be, the easiest deal in our history.

The one who faces absolutely no accountability is Farage, the cheerleader of the Rule Britannia boys and Trump. He will declare, from his new home when he moves away from our brave new UK to Germany, that it was all Johnson’s fault because he failed to negotiate as good a separation from the EU as he would have done.

He is the ultimate Teflon Man, who should have been hounded by the UK press for publicly saying that Trump was the bravest man he had ever met. Trump, the draft dodger, braver than any of the ex servicemen in the UK, who Farage would happily pose for photos with, to boost his own false ego.

They should have kept him locked up in that pub in the High Street, a few years ago, when they had the chance.

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Ghanian farmers threatening to stop all exports to the UK because we're trading with them on WTO terms and the tariffs are resulting in them losing money on every shipment of bananas.

 

The UK refused to "roll over" the deal that the EU has with Ghana in december.

Instead, the UK tried to force the Ghanians into a new "take it or leave it" deal.

They left it.

Now we're trading on WTO terms.

 

 

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19 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I just don’t understand what has happened here tbh. Who is benefiting? It’s a slowly unfolding fecking disaster...

Id like to see odds on us rejoining in the next year or so tbh. 

I hope I’m wrong, but I reckon we are in for a decade of decay, before we look to Rejoin. If you want to understand why we ended up where we now find ourselves, the following is a brilliant up to date summary from the FT. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/cc6b0d9a-d8cc-4ddb-8c57-726df018c10e

 

 

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Imagine how bad things would be if we had left on No Deal "Australian Terms"?

Seem to remember some comments here that a no deal would just mean a smaller GDP over 15 years.

Perhaps they'll come back on and reassure us Remoaners that it's just Guardian propaganda.

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Department for International Trade advisors are telling UK companies to set up shell companies registered in the EU to get around Brexit red tape

 

:scenes:

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11 minutes ago, Cade said:

Department for International Trade advisors are telling UK companies to set up shell companies registered in the EU to get around Brexit red tape

 

:scenes:

This has been happening in reality for months. 

Another business overhead that no one wants to acknowledge in brexitopia. 

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4 hours ago, Cade said:

Ghanian farmers threatening to stop all exports to the UK because we're trading with them on WTO terms and the tariffs are resulting in them losing money on every shipment of bananas.

 

The UK refused to "roll over" the deal that the EU has with Ghana in december.

Instead, the UK tried to force the Ghanians into a new "take it or leave it" deal.

They left it.

Now we're trading on WTO terms.

 

 

Oh for the heady days when Liz Truss was sending trade agreements to Japan (amongst others) using EU terms but simply replacing "EU" with "UK".    And being sent packing.

 

The naivety of this govt is staggering. But then Truss was a "remoaner" until the outcome of the advisory referendum was known. 

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8 hours ago, SectionDJambo said:

If Brexit does end up turning out to be harmful to the UK, at least most of the protagonists for it can be held accountable in their roles within the current government. No hiding places for the Conservative party from this one. They pushed for it, got it through the people and Parliament, and negotiated the terms of, what we were told would be, the easiest deal in our history.

The one who faces absolutely no accountability is Farage, the cheerleader of the Rule Britannia boys and Trump. He will declare, from his new home when he moves away from our brave new UK to Germany, that it was all Johnson’s fault because he failed to negotiate as good a separation from the EU as he would have done.

He is the ultimate Teflon Man, who should have been hounded by the UK press for publicly saying that Trump was the bravest man he had ever met. Trump, the draft dodger, braver than any of the ex servicemen in the UK, who Farage would happily pose for photos with, to boost his own false ego.

They should have kept him locked up in that pub in the High Street, a few years ago, when they had the chance.

Gove & Johnson (and many others still in Cabinet positions) trumpeted brexit. 

Johnson in particular is despicable : he was in/out/shakeitallabout , saying whatever the moment required (just like Gove). But they campaigned and  lied to win the day (that red bus just won't go away) and they'll defend it to the death, as will the Tory media (ie nearly all of the UK media). 

There won't be accountability because so many brexiters don't care about the outcome : "brexit" was always the prize, in itself that was enough.

The consequences are irrelevant.

Only the outcome mattered. 

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7 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

President Biden phoned Boris first before anyone else in Europe - report BBC - good news 

Mr Johnson has attempted to play down suggestions of a rift with the new president as a result of his close relationship with Donald Trump and his previous remarks about Barack Obama.

In recent days he has refused to comment on a description of the president as “woke” and his decision to remove a bust of Sir Winston Churchill in the Oval Office. He has previously suggested that Barack Obama’s removal of the bust in 2016 was “a snub to Britain” which might be prompted by the “part-Kenyan” president’s ancestral dislike of the empire. Mr Biden once described Mr Johnson as a “physical and emotional clone of Trump”.
 

I wonder what Kamala Harris thinks of Bogjob, given the above? Pretty sure it’s not “good news”.

 

Keep digging.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/biden-boris-johnson-phone-call-covid-b1791787.html

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34 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

President Biden phoned Boris first before anyone else in Europe - report BBC - good news 

:vrface:

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19 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Not having sympathy for someone is hardly vitriolic.

 

 

He wasn't about to go bust. He just wanted more. 

It was in general, not personal. Scotland has a way back in, if it bothers us so much, why don't we take it. Easy. 

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15 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Remember the farmer who relied on Eastern European countries labour to pick his crop? On the C4 Dispatches programme he conceded that voting for Brexit would mean he would be out of business. One of the quotes, David Figgis said he voted for what he thinks is “better for my country” but added: “Personally, it’s a disaster.”


Not quite in tune with your point, but that is a special type of person. He was so conned, that he was willing to vote for likely having to wind up has family business in order to “benefit” his country. I struggle to make sense of that, like much of Brexiteer thinking. 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-backing-fruit-farmer-shares-fears-after-voting-leave-despite-relying-on-eastern-european-labour-a4111936.html

 

I didn't say they were all geniuses. :)

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