CJGJ Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Raab C Brexit on the channels this morning trying to claim the devastation of the Scottish fishing industry in the last fortnight has got nothing to do with the shit Brexit deal his mob caved on. Welcome to the post-truth world of the lying Tories and the complicit media. I have little sympathy for those poor fishermen They were one of the leading lights in the leave movement and now can reap what they have sown Their dreams of having the right to fish in the UK waters exclusively was always pie in the sky and they were told this but oh no they wanted out imagining the riches to follow and not caring about anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, CJGJ said: I have little sympathy for those poor fishermen They were one of the leading lights in the leave movement and now can reap what they have sown Their dreams of having the right to fish in the UK waters exclusively was always pie in the sky and they were told this but oh no they wanted out imagining the riches to follow and not caring about anyone else Two separate issues. Greedy barstewards will always be greedy. The farmers were the same and they'll be pissing and moaning shortly. The main issue is the steadfast refusal of the ideologues to own it and the utterly pathetic media that refuses to hold them to account. The BBC are front and centre again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Eurostat, the data agency of the European Union. Completely ignoring regions Spain, Italy, Greece, Eastern Europe and the Baltic States as that would completely **** up their stats. Is Eastern Europe still in Northern Europe aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: Raab C Brexit on the channels this morning trying to claim the devastation of the Scottish fishing industry in the last fortnight has got nothing to do with the shit Brexit deal his mob caved on. Welcome to the post-truth world of the lying Tories and the complicit media. No surprise there. Lying scumbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: Raab C Brexit on the channels this morning trying to claim the devastation of the Scottish fishing industry in the last fortnight has got nothing to do with the shit Brexit deal his mob caved on. Welcome to the post-truth world of the lying Tories and the complicit media. The First Secretary of State actually said that the fishermen would have bigger quotas straight away and incremental over the 5 year transitional period - also that government was putting in 100 million to assist the fisherman during the transitional period but there may be some initial teething problems.🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Eurostat, the data agency of the European Union. Completely ignoring regions Spain, Italy, Greece, Eastern Europe and the Baltic States as that would completely **** up their stats. Correct and I smell shoite in their Northern Europe stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: The First Secretary of State actually said that the fishermen would have bigger quotas straight away and incremental over the 5 year transitional period - also that government was putting in 100 million to assist the fisherman during the transitional period but there may be some initial teething problems.🙂 They can have the biggest quotas on the planet but if their fish stands in a truck for 10 days in Kent who are they going to sell the fish to? No market = No business Hence the hundreds of boats tied up in harbours up and down the UK just now. Divide £100M between Tens of Thousands of fishermen, processors, packers, distribution companies etc. Now divide it over 5 years. ”Fish tomorrow” Its a “drop in the ocean”. Sure I read the EU are giving their fishing industry north of a Billion Euros. The tories dont give A F! They lied to the industry, used them as a bargaining chip and now they are “taking their medicine”. Access to the Fishing waters by the EU fleet is now tied into electricity supplies from the EU (seeing as England cannot produce enough power to keep the lights on, they rely on power imports at peak times...mostly from Scotland but also from France, Holland and Belgium). They lied and now folk like you are trying to enable the lies as truth. Embarrasing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, Smithee said: Is Eastern Europe still in Northern Europe aye? 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 59 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: The First Secretary of State actually said that the fishermen would have bigger quotas straight away and incremental over the 5 year transitional period - also that government was putting in 100 million to assist the fisherman during the transitional period but there may be some initial teething problems.🙂 What he actually said was that he didn't believe the problems were down to Brexit. It was on Marr on the BBC and is probably freely available. Jam tomorrow (Staple diet for this Government) is no good to businesses with perishable goods. The next problem down the pipe is farming and meat exports. Be fine in 5/10/20/generation years* *Delete as applicable to vacuous Tory mouthpiece being interviewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Catch more tonnage. Can't get it to market in a fresh state due to red tape caused by Brexit. Price of the haul drops because it's frozen and not fresh. End result? You're not any better off. You're catching more fish but selling it for less. It's a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 33 minutes ago, Cade said: Catch more tonnage. Can't get it to market in a fresh state due to red tape caused by Brexit. Price of the haul drops because it's frozen and not fresh. End result? You're not any better off. You're catching more fish but selling it for less. It's a joke. Aye but Dominic Raab was oan the telly the day and said it was aw gid likesy...just teething problems eh? He a tory an duzny tell fibz eh no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NANOJAMBO Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 hours ago, CJGJ said: I have little sympathy for those poor fishermen They were one of the leading lights in the leave movement and now can reap what they have sown Their dreams of having the right to fish in the UK waters exclusively was always pie in the sky and they were told this but oh no they wanted out imagining the riches to follow and not caring about anyone else No, they weren't - eg the Fishing for Leave outfit had nothing to do with fishing but was a bunch of far right opportunists who whipped up public hysteria over an industry that the average punter couldn't give a toss about in order to get people to vote leave. The ultimate lunacy of the "fishing industry" ? £160m worth of England's fishing quota is in the hands of vessels owned by companies based in Iceland, Spain and the Netherlands, according to BBC research. That amounts to 130,000 tonnes of fish a year and 55% of the quota's annual value in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Smithee said: Is Eastern Europe still in Northern Europe aye? My point was and is they are being highly selective to suit their report. Sad thing is you probably don't get that. Edited January 17, 2021 by Seymour M Hersh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, NANOJAMBO said: No, they weren't - eg the Fishing for Leave outfit had nothing to do with fishing but was a bunch of far right opportunists who whipped up public hysteria over an industry that the average punter couldn't give a toss about in order to get people to vote leave. The ultimate lunacy of the "fishing industry" ? £160m worth of England's fishing quota is in the hands of vessels owned by companies based in Iceland, Spain and the Netherlands, according to BBC research. That amounts to 130,000 tonnes of fish a year and 55% of the quota's annual value in 2019. To think that a London Department store (Harrods), generates greater turnover than the UK fishing industry. But thanks to a tsunami of lies and half-truths, large swathes of Leavers worked themselves into a lather over “taking back control of our waters”. Which in itself, turned out to be yet another lie. We told them so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: My point was and is they are being highly selective to suit their report. Sad thing is you probably don't get that. The report CLEARLY says "Northern" Europe, not Central, East or Southern Europe or indeed Europe as a whole...So whatever your "point" is, it's invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 47 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: To think that a London Department store (Harrods), generates greater turnover than the UK fishing industry. But thanks to a tsunami of lies and half-truths, large swathes of Leavers worked themselves into a lather over “taking back control of our waters”. Which in itself, turned out to be yet another lie. We told them so. Yeah, I read somewhere that the games industry in Dundee turns over more than the "UK" fishing fleet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 6 hours ago, CJGJ said: I have little sympathy for those poor fishermen They were lied to as we all were when the Brexiteers sold us the unreachable dream of Utopia by leaving the EU. There is no upside to this unmitigated disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: They were lied to as we all were when the Brexiteers sold us the unreachable dream of Utopia by leaving the EU. There is no upside to this unmitigated disaster. Sorry but they were not lied to...stupid enough to look after only themselves and expect the EU to just accept it There is not one person I know who thought they would get unlimited rights in UK waters They are part of a small industry who have for years had influence way beyond what they represent and their fake dreams are going up in smoke...fantastic news as they helped get the UK into this mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, CJGJ said: Sorry but they were not lied to Im not getting into a ping pong game with you but they certainly were lied too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said: The report CLEARLY says "Northern" Europe, not Central, East or Southern Europe or indeed Europe as a whole...So whatever your "point" is, it's invalid. So why do they feel the need to be selective and not include the whole club (EU). Because if they did they'd find many poorer regions than the ones in the UK they identified. It's a perfectly valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: So why do they feel the need to be selective and not include the whole club (EU). Because if they did they'd find many poorer regions than the ones in the UK they identified. It's a perfectly valid point. No it's not...the infographic explicitly states Northern Europe...That's where the discussion starts and ends, Northern Europe. Now, the point you raise may well be true and I look forward to you presenting your evidence...but your point is moot when argued against the information presented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Konrad von Carstein said: No it's not...the infographic explicitly states Northern Europe...That's where the discussion starts and ends, Northern Europe. Now, the point you raise may well be true and I look forward to you presenting your evidence...but your point is moot when argued against the information presented. Of course it explicitly states Northern Europe that's my whole point why just that area of the EU? Also Even you must admit all three Baltic states would qualify as Northern Europe but are mysteriously excluded from the "infographic" and statistics. And as an aside what year was this even collated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Of course it explicitly states Northern Europe that's my whole point why just that area of the EU? Also Even you must admit all three Baltic states would qualify as Northern Europe but are mysteriously excluded from the "infographic" and statistics. And as an aside what year was this even collated. Why not just that area, it's their graphic... Even you must agree there are some hugely deprived areas in the "UK" and not to be hyperbolic, some are almost third worldly or ghetto like... Anyway, the infographic generates discussion and enables opinion and self bias... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/brexit-wont-save-fishing-industry-1487536 We all know the EU has destroyed Britain’s fishing industry. Don’t we? The Common Fisheries Policy has thrown our brave fishermen on to the scrapheap. Except it’s not quite like that, whatever Nigel Farage, a man with a mouth like a grouper, would have you believe. The EU has been a convenient scapegoat for British ministers not man enough to take the blame for their own poor decisions. The first thing that went wrong with our fishing industry was the Cod Wars, a series of confrontations with Iceland over fishing rights in the North Atlantic. In 1976 we lost big-time in the Third Cod War, when we conceded a 200-nautical-mile Icelandic exclusive fishery zone after Iceland threatened to withdraw from Nato. As a result, thousands of British fisheries jobs were lost. By an unfortunate coincidence that happened soon after Britain joined the EEC, forerunner of the EU. Yet Britain’s fishing industry is not on its knees – and most of the shortcomings can anyway be laid at the door of British ministers and those unelected bureaucrats in .... wait for it ... London. The UK already has the second largest share of EU quota behind Spain, and the big British fishing companies are among the most profitable in the EU. Since the Cod Wars, numbers of fishermen have fallen, it’s true. But they have fallen because our Government has allowed the concentration of quotas into fewer and fewer hands – many of them foreign-owned. The EU hands out quotas to coastal states, but it doesn’t decree which fishermen get them – that is regulated by the our own Government, which doles out quotas to groups of companies and fishermen known as producer organisations. A Greenpeace investigation discovered that instead of operating like cooperatives, a handful of people control huge swathes of the UK coast. Greenpeace discovered that Plymouth-based Dutch businessman Johannes Jacob Colam owns 26% of all English quota through his company Interfish Ltd and four of its subsidiaries. Meanwhile, the inshore fleet – small boats fishing within 12 miles of the shore and using methods that cause minimal damage to the marine environment – are given just 4% of the total English quota. The Common Fisheries Policy isn’t flawless, but you have to wonder whether we have done enough to mould it. Over the three years that Nigel Farage was a member of the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, he attended just one out of 42 meetings. In December 2015, six months before the EU referendum, George Eustice, fisheries minister and MP for Camborne and Redruth in Cornwall, attended the EU Fisheries Council, the meeting at which rules are set for the year ahead. His press release later began: “The UK government has delivered a fair deal for fishermen today...” – not what he later told fishermen during the referendum campaign. So if our fishermen believe that next April will be the start of the boom years, they may be in for a shock.j Edited January 17, 2021 by Boy Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: No, they weren't - eg the Fishing for Leave outfit had nothing to do with fishing but was a bunch of far right opportunists who whipped up public hysteria over an industry that the average punter couldn't give a toss about in order to get people to vote leave. The ultimate lunacy of the "fishing industry" ? £160m worth of England's fishing quota is in the hands of vessels owned by companies based in Iceland, Spain and the Netherlands, according to BBC research. That amounts to 130,000 tonnes of fish a year and 55% of the quota's annual value in 2019. How did it get into the foreign companies hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 It seems that the sexually incontinent pathologically dishonest and lazy buffoon who chairs the UK Government's Cabinet meetings lied to Members of Parliament and to the British public about visa-free travel for performers and journalists. British musical artists were critical of the British government for not securing visa-free travel rights - rights that are of far more benefit to UK performers than their continental counterparts. The Blonde told MPs that the fault was with the EU, saying "...we wanted to have reciprocal rights for musicians to tour". Then Michel Barnier not only pointed out that it was the EU who proposed visa-free travel for journos and entertainers, but had the barefaced cheek to produce a copy of the EU proposal which was rejected by the UK. "I very much regretted that the British didn't have more ambition for people's mobility," said Barnier. "From last March, we made fairly ambitious proposals in terms of mobility, including for specific categories such as journalists, performers, musicians and others. But you need to be two to make a deal" Them swarthy funny-accented foreigners, you just can't trust them, so you can't. https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/0114/1189685-brexit-visas/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Scottish Fish exporter on bbc radio moaning about brexit agreement by uk gov but interestingly stated the Scottish Government and Scottish Fisheries Minister have been caught sleeping and not ensured procedures in place - as usual let’s just let things go wrong then we will blame the bloody toaries - snp not fit for purpose GET THEM OOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Of course it explicitly states Northern Europe that's my whole point why just that area of the EU? Also Even you must admit all three Baltic states would qualify as Northern Europe but are mysteriously excluded from the "infographic" and statistics. And as an aside what year was this even collated. Because that's the area this particular info graphic shows! They haven't only published this data, and if you took 2 minutes to check instead of thinking up reasons to attack it you'd find the other info graphics for the other generally accepted regions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, Smithee said: Because that's the area this particular info graphic shows! They haven't only published this data, and if you took 2 minutes to check instead of thinking up reasons to attack it you'd find the other info graphics for the other generally accepted regions. Keep in mind these objections are coming from the guy who got upset at me for fact-checking him saying he didn't recall any assassination plots against Obama, by posting the Wikipedia article on that subject. The Table of Contents for the article is larger than a whole browser screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Smithee said: Because that's the area this particular info graphic shows! They haven't only published this data, and if you took 2 minutes to check instead of thinking up reasons to attack it you'd find the other info graphics for the other generally accepted regions. Supply a link then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Of course it explicitly states Northern Europe that's my whole point why just that area of the EU? Also Even you must admit all three Baltic states would qualify as Northern Europe but are mysteriously excluded from the "infographic" and statistics. And as an aside what year was this even collated. It seems the data is from 2011 and the graphic was first published in 2014, but I doubt there's been an enormous change since then, and at the time of the referendum this would be fairly up to date. Whoever made the graphic chose to use these countries, that was their call. I think It's interesting because it shows a correlation between strongly vote leave regions and levels of depravation, not exactly earth shattering news, but interesting to see how these areas compare to our near neighbours. If, as the Brexit narrative went, these areas were being held back by Brussels red tape, the CFP, the CAP etc, then you'd expect to see other similarly deprived areas in nearby countries. As the graphic shows that's not the case, but as the UK sits at the bottom of the wealth equality league here, the cause of the disparity must be made in Britain. Ironically these are the very areas that would benefit from EU structural funds. You've objected to what the graphic doesn't show, but do you have any comment about what it does show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Keep in mind these objections are coming from the guy who got upset at me for fact-checking him saying he didn't recall any assassination plots against Obama, by posting the Wikipedia article on that subject. The Table of Contents for the article is larger than a whole browser screen. Upset at a nonentity? I don't think so. And how exactly do you "fact check" somebody not recalling something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Scottish Fish exporter on bbc radio moaning about brexit agreement by uk gov but interestingly stated the Scottish Government and Scottish Fisheries Minister have been caught sleeping and not ensured procedures in place - as usual let’s just let things go wrong then we will blame the bloody toaries - snp not fit for purpose GET THEM OOT Care to explain how the implications of the deal could be fully digested and mitigated by the Scottish government, given the irresponsible tactics employed by Bogjob meant that the deal wasn’t available until Christmas Eve? And let’s not forget that Westminster has gone out of its way to deny the Scottish government ANY involvement in anything to do with Brexit negotiations, despite numerous requests from Holyrood. Once again, your point has absolutely no merit, other than to betray your blind loyalties to Bogjob and his acolytes and your anti-SNP agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, fancy a brew said: It seems the data is from 2011 and the graphic was first published in 2014, but I doubt there's been an enormous change since then, and at the time of the referendum this would be fairly up to date. Whoever made the graphic chose to use these countries, that was their call. I think It's interesting because it shows a correlation between strongly vote leave regions and levels of depravation, not exactly earth shattering news, but interesting to see how these areas compare to our near neighbours. If, as the Brexit narrative went, these areas were being held back by Brussels red tape, the CFP, the CAP etc, then you'd expect to see other similarly deprived areas in nearby countries. As the graphic shows that's not the case, but as the UK sits at the bottom of the wealth equality league here, the cause of the disparity must be made in Britain. Ironically these are the very areas that would benefit from EU structural funds. You've objected to what the graphic doesn't show, but do you have any comment about what it does show? Thanks for your reply. So the data from 2011. Maybe it has changed, maybe not but my point is that they have appeared to cherry picked a certain area as opposed to including the whole of the EU. I don't think anyone would deny we have deprived areas in the UK but why did they not compare them to areas in Southern or Eastern Europe. It's well known northern Europe is a wealthier area in general than southern Europe but I'd suggest that Southern and Eastern areas have areas within them at least as deprived as the ones noted in the UK. And it still doesn't explain the omission of the Baltic states. I'll just file it under the heading you can make statistic say whatever you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Thanks for your reply. So the data from 2011. Maybe it has changed, maybe not but my point is that they have appeared to cherry picked a certain area as opposed to including the whole of the EU. I don't think anyone would deny we have deprived areas in the UK but why did they not compare them to areas in Southern or Eastern Europe. It's well known northern Europe is a wealthier area in general than southern Europe but I'd suggest that Southern and Eastern areas have areas within them at least as deprived as the ones noted in the UK. And it still doesn't explain the omission of the Baltic states. I'll just file it under the heading you can make statistic say whatever you want. The most up to date figures I've found are 2017, and the 11 wealthiest countries by GDP per capita correspond with the ones shown in the graphic. As you say, it's well known that the Northern European countries are wealthier, that's the point of the graphic, to compare income disparity across the wealthiest 11 countries in the EU, and these countries also happen to be our geographically closest neighbours. We are comparing apples with apples here. The Baltic states spent 45 years under communism, whereas the selected countries didn't, I'm not sure what you think comparing them to the wealthiest countries would achieve. Far be it from me to tell you how to organise your thoughts, but I'd suggest you file this under 'I don't like cognitive dissonance, so will ignore it as best I can'. The graphic posted can be found here https://www.statista.com/statistics/691517/gross-domestic-product-per-capita-in-pps-in-the-eu-by-country/ Edited January 18, 2021 by fancy a brew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 It seems the data is from 2011 and the graphic was first published in 2014 keep digging comrades you'll reach Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: And how exactly do you "fact check" somebody not recalling something. You were at best trying to whatabout/both sides the very serious problem of alt-right terrorism, with your extremely biased, selective filter of reality, and that is the entire point. You tried to claim none of these attempts made the news over here. Spoiler alert: they did. The way you'd filtered information to yourself meant you "didn't recall" any plots to assassinate Obama, when there were many. Now you're carrying on about Eurostat "completely ignoring" other regions of Europe. Much like Trump crying "fake news" all day, all you're doing is demonstrating that it's actually the person crowing the loudest whose mind is working in an underhanded way. Other posters have already pointed out that Eurostat have maps of these data in accordance with various regions throughout Europee. They're not singling out the UK or being "highly selective" as you wish for them to be. This is just what these numbers say—nothing more, nothing less, and you assigning these motives to them is definitely very revealing, but about you. 2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Upset at a nonentity? I don't think so. Oh no, not upset at all. No, no you do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: It seems the data is from 2011 and the graphic was first published in 2014, but the data was still very similar in 2017, the latest year which data is available for. I don't like what the data shows so I won't engage with it. Ftfy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, fancy a brew said: Ftfy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Are you now saying they were only ever comparing the richest Northern European countries? Your original pst really didn't make that clear. Bottom line is we've left the EU and dragging up statistics from 5 or 10 years ago won't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Are you now saying they were only ever comparing the richest Northern European countries? Your original pst really didn't make that clear. Bottom line is we've left the EU and dragging up statistics from 5 or 10 years ago won't change that. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Polish trucker fined £300 for his "Kent passport" having expired. These permits last 24 hours. He got it just before he went to Kent customs. They sent him to three different truck parks where he had to queue each time to have his papers checked. By the time that had all been done, 24 hours had elapsed and he got stiffed for three hundred quid. It's all going swimmingly then. Lots of companies that are importing to the UK from the EU are actually sending their trucks back empty as it's faster and cheaper than having to tit about with the red tape for any cargo leaving the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Are you now saying they were only ever comparing the richest Northern European countries? Your original pst really didn't make that clear. Bottom line is we've left the EU and dragging up statistics from 5 or 10 years ago won't change that. I can't speak for whoever put the graphic together, I'm just pointing out that your claims of unfair cherry picking are easily countered given the similarities in income, history, and geography of the countries. As I said earlier, I think it's interesting given how Brexit unfolded in the least prosperous areas. No question that Brexit is a reality (for now). It might also be worth thinking about the reason why 9 out of the 10 poorest regions in Northern Europe are in the UK, and how the Brexit bonanza could be used to sort it out. Edited January 18, 2021 by fancy a brew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) I’m sure all those fishing industry trucks that drove from Eyemouth etc. to London today to block up the streets in Westminster were there because they think Brexit is going so well. Edited January 18, 2021 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 19 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Scottish Fish exporter on bbc radio moaning about brexit agreement by uk gov but interestingly stated the Scottish Government and Scottish Fisheries Minister have been caught sleeping and not ensured procedures in place - as usual let’s just let things go wrong then we will blame the bloody toaries - snp not fit for purpose GET THEM OOT Why does the SNP have to do anything? Do you honestly think the SG should help the tories out of the shite they've done on everyones carpet. Feck the Tories and any Hoosejock who sucks on their plums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 It’s another one of their day jobs - that they never seem to bother with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: It’s another one of their day jobs I appreciate you acknowledging that it is absolutely the job of the Scottish Government to lessen the repeated harm Westminster causes Scotland. We should leave it in the eye of the beholder, how well the current one has managed to alleviate the seemingly endless stream of damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 6 hours ago, ri Alban said: Why does the SNP have to do anything? Do you honestly think the SG should help the tories out of the shite they've done on everyones carpet. Feck the Tories and any Hoosejock who sucks on their plums. As much as its WM's toley on the carpet, the SG still have a responsibility to Scottish people and businesses to minimise the impact. Although what kind of stuff they were supposed to have in place, when they'd been excluded from discussions and with less than a weeks notice to get shit done, I'm not too sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, Norm said: As much as its WM's toley on the carpet, the SG still have a responsibility to Scottish people and businesses to minimise the impact. Although what kind of stuff they were supposed to have in place, when they'd been excluded from discussions and with less than a weeks notice to get shit done, I'm not too sure. WM's own fisheries minister didn't even read the last minuteagreement before voting in favour, but it's Holyrood's fault for not being prepared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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