Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Cade]

So.....this happened

 

 

 

[WorldChampions1902]

2 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Maybe I'm missing something? The customs formalities required for importing and exporting goods between the UK and the EU right now, are the same as if with we had left with No Deal.

It was widely accepted that No Deal Brexit would introduce massive and long term lorry queues at borders. The effect would immediately impact delivery of car parts, eliminating effective JIT delivery and causing massive disruption to car manufacturing volumes.
 

This would have been compounded by a 10% tariff on cars exported to the EU. In other words, pretty much the end of mass car manufacturing in the UK. But like I said, there remains potential for a significant negative impact on UK car manufacturing in the medium to long term, WITH the deal we have. Why would someone working in that industry vote Leave?

[OBE]

Start eating Scottish caught fish produce, save a Scottish business...

[pablo]

45 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

It was widely accepted that No Deal Brexit would introduce massive and long term lorry queues at borders. The effect would immediately impact delivery of car parts, eliminating effective JIT delivery and causing massive disruption to car manufacturing volumes.
 

This would have been compounded by a 10% tariff on cars exported to the EU. In other words, pretty much the end of mass car manufacturing in the UK. But like I said, there remains potential for a significant negative impact on UK car manufacturing in the medium to long term, WITH the deal we have. Why would someone working in that industry vote Leave?

 

Whether we left with a trade deal or not, leaving the customs union meant that goods would require to be accompanied by customs declarations and if appropriate an excise movement. It's this paperwork requirement that is responsible for the delays at ports. 

 

If you're looking for a  Brexit transport angle to suit your political stance, I'll give you a real one if you like. Most large importers had Brexit mitigation strategies to avoid moving freight in the first two weeks of January. Freight volumes have only been at approximately 25% of usual moving through our ports. But that stock is just about burnt through and volume is about to significantly increase.

 

Expect some pretty sensational headlines and images in the next few weeks. It's not really started yet.

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, OBE said:

Start eating Scottish caught fish produce, save a Scottish business...

 

Why?

 

Freedom of choice is our way.

 

And saving money is sensible. 

 

I would agree though that change can happen and if fish producers want to actually do some marketing who knows if they have enough time. 

[Mikey1874]

4 hours ago, pablo said:

 

What difference did the deal make to just in time delivery? The deal covered quotas and tariffs, the customs formalities are the same with the deal as they would have been without one.

 

How's just in time going for fish exporters to France? 

[Governor Tarkin]

The Brexit propagandists and enablers should be strung up. They have commited a moral and ethical crime against the greater part of the United Kingdom public. 

[pablo]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

How's just in time going for fish exporters to France? 

 

Shite by the look of it. On account of leaving the Customs Union and the groupage export procedure that comes with that. Would have come into force in the event of a No Deal also. 

 

I'm not a Brexiteer. I'm all for less borders and free trade.

[OBE]

28 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Why?

 

Freedom of choice is our way.

 

And saving money is sensible. 

 

I would agree though that change can happen and if fish producers want to actually do some marketing who knows if they have enough time. 

 

Why?

 

A Scottish shellfish firm has warned it is on the brink of bankruptcy as delays continue at ports following the introduction of post-Brexit red tape.

[Mikey1874]

15 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Why?

 

A Scottish shellfish firm has warned it is on the brink of bankruptcy as delays continue at ports following the introduction of post-Brexit red tape.

 

Loads  of pubs and others struggling.

 

Choose who you help. 

[Space Mackerel]

Oh dear never mind.

 

Rule Britannia. 

 

[Space Mackerel]

Good old red white and blue super happy fish!

 

Get it down yer grids 😂😂😂

 

 

[ri Alban]

Leave the fish in the sea. 

[OBE]

7 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Loads  of pubs and others struggling.

 

Choose who you help. 

 

I'd love to help pubs and others but currently they are deemed out-of-bounds. Scottish fisheries are still trying to function.

[manaliveits105]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Leave the fish in the sea. 

👍leave her anywhere 

 

just find out where the £200M brexit assistance for companies money is first 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

👍leave her anywhere 

 

just find out where the £200M brexit assistance for companies money is first 

The obvious troll clutching at whataboutery straws yet again. 

 

The real shambles hasn't even begun. 

 

 

[manaliveits105]

krankies and lefties desperate for their fellow countrymen to suffer hardships from brexit so they can jump on a football message board to say told you so - how very sad 

[Pans Jambo]

23 hours ago, Norm said:

Pretty sure folk did mention the red tape and delays, the just chose to ignore it. All about taking back control. Yippee. 

There's a clip somewhere of Boris clearly stating that he would "get rid of all that bureaucracy and red tape" after Brexit.

 

Surely he couldn't have been mistaken? Surely?

[Pans Jambo]

40 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

krankies and lefties desperate for their fellow countrymen to suffer hardships from brexit so they can jump on a football message board to say told you so - how very sad 

Maybe we should get a famous football player to shame the government into feeding staving children in this nirvana of a union.....oh wait!

[Norm]

44 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

krankies and lefties desperate for their fellow countrymen to suffer hardships from brexit so they can jump on a football message board to say told you so - how very sad 

The only people desperate for their countrymen to suffer hardship is the lying *******s who sold Brexit as a Utopia. 

[Beni]

3 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

There's a clip somewhere of Boris clearly stating that he would "get rid of all that bureaucracy and red tape" after Brexit.

 

Surely he couldn't have been mistaken? Surely?

 

He also told Northern Ireland business people there would be no forms or checks, and there would be unfettered trade with Britain.

 

Northern Ireland supermarket this week

 

 

 

 

[Weakened Offender]

12 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

The Brexit propagandists and enablers should be strung up. They have commited a moral and ethical crime against the greater part of the United Kingdom public. 

 

We need more Brexit propagandists and enablers, imo. 

 

(Am I doing this right?) 

[Governor Tarkin]

8 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

We need more Brexit propagandists and enablers, imo. 

 

(Am I doing this right?) 

 

Too much punctuation. You need to work on your delivery. 👍

[Weakened Offender]

8 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Too much punctuation. You need to work on your delivery. 👍

 

We need more punctuated lowbrow humor, imo. 

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

We need more punctuated lowbrow humor, imo. 

 

[Taffin]

12 hours ago, OBE said:

 

Why?

 

A Scottish shellfish firm has warned it is on the brink of bankruptcy as delays continue at ports following the introduction of post-Brexit red tape.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/29/scotlands-fishing-industry-welcomes-decision-to-leave-the-eu

 

 

I'll buy European, thanks 👍

[Weakened Offender]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/29/scotlands-fishing-industry-welcomes-decision-to-leave-the-eu

 

 

I'll buy European, thanks 👍

 

Yip. Hell mend them. 

[Justin Z]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

krankies and lefties desperate for their fellow countrymen to suffer hardships from brexit so they can jump on a football message board to say told you so - how very sad 

You're going to have to come to grips with the fact that you swallowed this particular fish hook, line, and sinker. You and tens of millions of your ilk were duped by a bunch of shysters, and now everyone is suffering the consequences, which has nothing to do with “krankies,” or lefties, who voted in their droves to prevent this, then laboured endlessly to try to minimise the damage, all to no avail.

We accept your apology.

[Don Dan]

Give it a few months and there will be a clamour to rejoin the EU. 
No one will put up with shambles for to long. Boris will never be able to walk, run or cycle the streets again. He and the other Brexiteers will be lynched on sight. 

[pablo]

1 hour ago, Justin Z said:

You're going to have to come to grips with the fact that you swallowed this particular fish hook, line, and sinker. You and tens of millions of your ilk were duped by a bunch of shysters, and now everyone is suffering the consequences, which has nothing to do with “krankies,” or lefties, who voted in their droves to prevent this, then laboured endlessly to try to minimise the damage, all to no avail.

We accept your apology.

 

To be fair, one million Scots voted for it too. Many of them Independence supporters. And in general the middle classes and city populations throughout the UK voted for Remain. 

 

Also when you say that the "lefties and kankies" laboured endlessly, that obviously didn't extend to voting in Parliament for a softer Brexit than what we ended up with.

 

One last thing, when you say " We accept" who do you mean? I voted Remain, how did you vote? 

[WorldChampions1902]

14 hours ago, Space Mackerel said:

Oh dear never mind.

 

Rule Britannia. 

 

Interesting that there is no mention of TUPE protections. I work in an industry where our government function has been outsourced to private companies and each and every time, we have enjoyed TUPE protection. That protection extends to a fair chunk of the UK workforce and anything that threatens it, will have serious consequences for employees.

 

Despite this, many of my colleagues voted Leave.

 

But they knew what they voted for.

[Mikey1874]

6 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

krankies and lefties desperate for their fellow countrymen to suffer hardships from brexit so they can jump on a football message board to say told you so - how very sad 

 

High risk strategy leaving the EU. 

 

Taking responsibility for your actions is also a thing. 

[Mikey1874]

4 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/29/scotlands-fishing-industry-welcomes-decision-to-leave-the-eu

 

 

I'll buy European, thanks 👍

 

Am I wrong to support Norwegian jobs? 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Taffin]

30 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Am I wrong to support Norwegian jobs? 

 

Youre not wrong to support any jobs, including the Scottish ones. I'd just prefer to give my business to those who didn't support Brexit at a market level  and then moan about it.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Taffin

[Cade]

You can't be an advocate of free markets and leaving the EU so you can trade globally then demand that you only buy British

 

[Mikey1874]

It would be interesting to see where the jobs are created and maintained from what we spend - money and time. 

 

Certainly any time on Facebook and most gaming for example is supporting American jobs. 

[RobboM]

From "Through the Gaps" a fishing blog from Newlyn, Cornwall
 

A reminder that, in reality, fishing recognises neither border, nor state of mind or possession of ownership.

... with Covid affecting crews, fish like hake hard to find and an abundance of dogfish all over the grounds...

 

the netting fleet are currently staying in port...

 

so, there is little in the way of 'sunlit uplands' for fishermen throughout the UK even though the fish they are catching, we are now led to believe, are not only 'British' fish but 'better and happy' as a result...

 

even though Newlyn fish market tells a different story where this week one 800kg landing of dogfish made 12p per kilo, ray wings 8p and the crew of one of the better off netters made £200 a man for their trip - a netter makes around 24 trips a year so averaging that out and you are looking at an annual salary of £4800 - but still, at the very least, it must be very encouraging for UK fishermen to know the fish they catch are happy now. I'm sure many of the skippers and crews down the quay would warmly welcome the opportunity of a visit from Mr Rees-Mogg and the chance to tell him so to his face.

 

Brexit and freedom from the CFP may yet bring dividends of course...

http://blog.through-the-gaps.co.uk/2021/01/a-reminder-that-in-reality-fishing.html

[jack D and coke]

22 minutes ago, RobboM said:

From "Through the Gaps" a fishing blog from Newlyn, Cornwall
 

A reminder that, in reality, fishing recognises neither border, nor state of mind or possession of ownership.

... with Covid affecting crews, fish like hake hard to find and an abundance of dogfish all over the grounds...

 

the netting fleet are currently staying in port...

 

so, there is little in the way of 'sunlit uplands' for fishermen throughout the UK even though the fish they are catching, we are now led to believe, are not only 'British' fish but 'better and happy' as a result...

 

even though Newlyn fish market tells a different story where this week one 800kg landing of dogfish made 12p per kilo, ray wings 8p and the crew of one of the better off netters made £200 a man for their trip - a netter makes around 24 trips a year so averaging that out and you are looking at an annual salary of £4800 - but still, at the very least, it must be very encouraging for UK fishermen to know the fish they catch are happy now. I'm sure many of the skippers and crews down the quay would warmly welcome the opportunity of a visit from Mr Rees-Mogg and the chance to tell him so to his face.

 

Brexit and freedom from the CFP may yet bring dividends of course...

http://blog.through-the-gaps.co.uk/2021/01/a-reminder-that-in-reality-fishing.html

That’s funny but sad. 
Rees Mogg is absolute filth. 

Edited January 15, 2021 by jack D and coke

[Cade]

"let them eat Hake"

[Toxteth O'Grady]

1 hour ago, RobboM said:

From "Through the Gaps" a fishing blog from Newlyn, Cornwall
 

A reminder that, in reality, fishing recognises neither border, nor state of mind or possession of ownership.

... with Covid affecting crews, fish like hake hard to find and an abundance of dogfish all over the grounds...

 

the netting fleet are currently staying in port...

 

so, there is little in the way of 'sunlit uplands' for fishermen throughout the UK even though the fish they are catching, we are now led to believe, are not only 'British' fish but 'better and happy' as a result...

 

even though Newlyn fish market tells a different story where this week one 800kg landing of dogfish made 12p per kilo, ray wings 8p and the crew of one of the better off netters made £200 a man for their trip - a netter makes around 24 trips a year so averaging that out and you are looking at an annual salary of £4800 - but still, at the very least, it must be very encouraging for UK fishermen to know the fish they catch are happy now. I'm sure many of the skippers and crews down the quay would warmly welcome the opportunity of a visit from Mr Rees-Mogg and the chance to tell him so to his face.

 

Brexit and freedom from the CFP may yet bring dividends of course...

http://blog.through-the-gaps.co.uk/2021/01/a-reminder-that-in-reality-fishing.html

They made their bed. 

[Fxxx the SPFL]

Brexit what a feckin shambles  but just teething problems says UK government what a pile of pish this is going to last for ever and a day.

[scott herbertson]

They're making a pig's ear of it

 

 

https://www.foodandfarmingfutures.co.uk/PrestoMobile#/details/ZWVhNzBlY2QtZWJjNi00YWZiLWE1MTAtNWExOTFiMjJjOWU1LjI1MDI2

[WorldChampions1902]

9 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/29/scotlands-fishing-industry-welcomes-decision-to-leave-the-eu

 

 

I'll buy European, thanks 👍

My favourite part of that article:-

“Bertie Armstrong, chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation, said Scottish fishermen were strongly against staying in the EU, even though the country as a whole voted strongly for remain. “It must not be forgotten that the whole of the Scottish fishing community, who sustainably harvest seafood from some of the best fishing grounds in the world, does not agree with this stance [on remaining in the EU] in the slightest,”.

[Toxteth O'Grady]

21 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

My favourite part of that article:-

“Bertie Armstrong, chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation, said Scottish fishermen were strongly against staying in the EU, even though the country as a whole voted strongly for remain. “It must not be forgotten that the whole of the Scottish fishing community, who sustainably harvest seafood from some of the best fishing grounds in the world, does not agree with this stance [on remaining in the EU] in the slightest,”.

And Bertie deserted the sinking ship 

[OBE]

14 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/29/scotlands-fishing-industry-welcomes-decision-to-leave-the-eu

 

 

I'll buy European, thanks 👍

 

You're possibly buying European thanks to the remainer's assumption that the Brexit referendum was already cut and dried. Voting apathy contributed to this Brexit abortion. After the result was announced, the UK probably had it's biggest ever collective wince.

 

A word of warning, if you're buying fish caught in UK waters by Europeans...make sure they're not undersize. 

[RobboM]

 

[Beni]

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

15 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

 

 

Eurostat, the data agency of the European Union.  Completely ignoring regions Spain, Italy, Greece, Eastern Europe and the Baltic States as that would completely **** up their stats. 

[The Mighty Thor]

Raab C Brexit on the channels this morning trying to claim the devastation of the Scottish fishing industry in the last fortnight has got nothing to do with the shit Brexit deal his mob caved on. 

 

Welcome to the post-truth world of the lying Tories and the complicit media.