XB52 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, jake said: Sound mate. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: You can frame any argument you want to get the answer you seek, appears to be the way of the Brits. Always afraid to let Scotland go. I thought Brexit was UK independence? Brits don't half tie themselves in knots over Scots self governance and then insult us. As a brexit and independent voter I find it interesting to see remainers and indy voters arguments cross over. As I do Brexit voters and pro unionists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, jake said: He did have a point though. The particular bit about only those with english parents or born english ? I dont know what X said to Frank though. The step guy doesn't deserve defending but . That's more because it was idiotic. Can understand why X called it out. How is calling someone English or with English parents, racist? I have English family living in England! Most of them who live here appear to support the status quo. That's not racist. Most Scots born voted for self governance and that's not racist either. I love England and the English people, just loathe the British Government which has its parliament in the English capital, London. It isn't a particularly great city or am I not allowed to say that for fear of offending someone? Edinburgh, San Francisco and Sydney are far superior cites, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, jake said: If brexit is about UK independence or to be more accurate English independence why is it painted as bad and ours good. Both have the same arguments rallied against them. It's not though is it? That's the point. Britain is independent from the EU. I don't mind if Scotland is in or out as long as we're doing the negotiating on behalf of ourselves. How's that difficult to comprehend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: How is calling someone English or with English parents, racist? I have English family living in England! Most of them who live here appear to support the status quo. That's not racist. Most Scots born voted for self governance and that's not racist either. I love England and the English people, just loathe the British Government which has its parliament in the English capital, London. It isn't a particularly great city or am I not allowed to say that for fear of offending someone? Edinburgh, San Francisco and Sydney are far superior cites, IMO. Theres nothing wrong in your post. And always speak your mind. I'm not that keen on London as a place either. I got it wrong there. Not unlike me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: It's not though is it? That's the point. Britain is independent from the EU. I don't mind if Scotland is in or out as long as we're doing the negotiating on behalf of ourselves. How's that difficult to comprehend? It's not. But until we vote for independence we are governed by UK democracy. I'm talking about the arguments put forward by both sides which contradict themselves. Brexiteers who say the UK will prosper outside the EU but Scotland is incapable outside the UK. They use the same arguments as remain. Independence voters who argue that Scotland can survive the break up of the union but argue catastrophic results from leaving the EU despite our trade within the UK dwarfing the trade with Europe. Also that both remainers and unionists use the same too stupid to realise arguments. Not really any difficulty in comprehension for me. Though I'm probably in the minority on that . 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, jake said: It's not. But until we vote for independence we are governed by UK democracy. I'm talking about the arguments put forward by both sides which contradict themselves. Brexiteers who say the UK will prosper outside the EU but Scotland is incapable outside the UK. They use the same arguments as remain. Independence voters who argue that Scotland can survive the break up of the union but argue catastrophic results from leaving the EU despite our trade within the UK dwarfing the trade with Europe. Also that both remainers and unionists use the same too stupid to realise arguments. Not really any difficulty in comprehension for me. Though I'm probably in the minority on that . 🙂 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jake said: It's not. But until we vote for independence we are governed by UK democracy. I'm talking about the arguments put forward by both sides which contradict themselves. Brexiteers who say the UK will prosper outside the EU but Scotland is incapable outside the UK. They use the same arguments as remain. Independence voters who argue that Scotland can survive the break up of the union but argue catastrophic results from leaving the EU despite our trade within the UK dwarfing the trade with Europe. Also that both remainers and unionists use the same too stupid to realise arguments. Not really any difficulty in comprehension for me. Though I'm probably in the minority on that . 🙂 Some good arguments there jake. 👍 I have argued for transparency on what the positives and negatives are as I think the public needs to be informed. The brexit process was a mess and there are lessons to be learned. Edited January 1, 2020 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 hours ago, strappingjock said: Frenchman and German discussing Brexit in Brussels. F Well Heinrich, we almost had them. These bloody English have a nasty habit of beating us. This time they managed to do us both at the same time. G Ya. Zey are indeed devils. Vee ad zem in our power and Cameron promised us he vood deliver zem to us forever. Vot vent rong ?? F It matter not now. Comrade Boris has it all wrapped up. However, we are in danger of being much worse off. We lose 65 million Brits and look like we could gain 5 million moaning Scots. That is not a good prospect. G Never fear. Scots are traditional allies of France and vee vill make sure zey cannot afford to join so zat you Frogs cannot support zem. F True. If they do not like being told what to do by London they will hate Brussels. We already have draft proposals for standardised kilt, haggis, dirk and bagpipes with 1.5 pipes to match Greece. The Scottish Euro will only be worth half of the rest of us. G Goot. Vee also are looking at a supply of Rheinland granite to rebuild the English Wall of Hadrian and Siemens have new biometric border booths which can be programmed to stop Celts from travelling south. Auf wiedersehen England. Nicht willkommen Schotland 11 hours ago, strappingjock said: G Hilfe Hilfe Angela has opened ze door to Skots as Gastarbeiter. Vot are vee to do F Mon flippin dieu, you poor sodz. You never got rid of the turks and now you import dirks in skirts. G Vot vill happen at our stations now ???? F You will be overcome by turks in shirts fighting a load of dirks in skirts all called Jimmie G Och nein, zat is verboten. Ve did not lose ze war to be invaded from Glasgow F At least you do not have the dreaded Franglais. But you will suffer as Scotrail is never on time Strapping coak is back Back to tell us all off Keep it coming btw. People like you make Yes voters 👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, frankblack said: Reported. Calling someone a racist is defamatory and a clear breach of the rules, which you should appologise for. For anyone else complaining - I picked up a warning on the GE thread for this poster calling me a liar. 🥰 Edited January 2, 2020 by jack D and coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 7 hours ago, jake said: Does he? I dont view as foreign those that are members of the Labour party. A party which up until recently held views akin to most Scots. As an old socialist I've never been pro independent. But lesson learned .The less power the better that goes for my Brexit views too. This type of jingoistic nationalism is nigel farage politics. The quicker Scotland gets its independence the better. Maybe we can grow up a bit. I do not view English people as foreign . Nor the Irish or Welsh. Neighbours for me.Labour under Corbyn were anything but for the exploitation etc as your quote alluded to. I've said it before but the language used by some nationalists does nothing for the sound arguments for independence. The Labour party is Scottish, if anything, they are foreign to England. The Scottish Tories were the Unionist party, so still the same, but the Libdems, they're irrelevant, in any party of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 hours ago, frankblack said: Reported. Calling someone a racist is defamatory and a clear breach of the rules, which you should appologise for. For anyone else complaining - I picked up a warning on the GE thread for this poster calling me a liar. He was talking about the kid on Englishman with the wee ditty above. But as per usual your tears and snotters have blurred the screen. Want to tell us your wee story about voting Yes, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 hours ago, ri Alban said: He was talking about the kid on Englishman with the wee ditty above. But as per usual your tears and snotters have blurred the screen. He posted around a reply to my conversation with Roxy and has previous for labelling people liars and racists, and notably hasn't tried to justify himself. True racism isn't tolerated on the forum. 10 hours ago, ri Alban said: Want to tell us your wee story about voting Yes, again. You have been challenged numerous times to check my posting history back in 2014 yet won't do it - are you scared of being wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, frankblack said: He posted around a reply to my conversation with Roxy and has previous for labelling people liars and racists, and notably hasn't tried to justify himself. True racism isn't tolerated on the forum. You have been challenged numerous times to check my posting history back in 2014 yet won't do it - are you scared of being wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolio Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: I saw this Gif on another thread (thanks Pie_Heid) and thought you might like it as it has aided me in trying to understand Frank's arguments a wee bit better I hope it is of assistance to you also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 42 minutes ago, Coolio said: I saw this Gif on another thread (thanks Pie_Heid) and thought you might like it as it has aided me in trying to understand Frank's arguments a wee bit better I hope it is of assistance to you also. 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 14 hours ago, ri Alban said: The Labour party is Scottish, if anything, they are foreign to England. The Scottish Tories were the Unionist party, so still the same, but the Libdems, they're irrelevant, in any party of the world. Sadly you are not far wrong in regards to labour being foreign to England. While I have posted that the nationalist vote in Scotland is similar to the one in England I am thankful that ours doesnt involve the tories. What I would say is that both our labour vote and northern english labour vote were totally taken for granted and london centric. And that northern England have been shat on by both tory and labour governments. But I'm a bit all over the place tbh Alban. I think for Scotland to succeed after independence it will have to adopt a free market liberal economic strategy. Doesnt mean we cant balance that with fairness . High taxation will see much larger economic forces rallied against any government. Even the threat of that from Corbyn saw him blootered by the press. I should start my own thread mate where I can argue with myself 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Even more SNP nonsense. 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Tough wur oot root a toot toot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Even more SNP nonsense. 😁😁😁 Typical twisted Brit. All over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Typical twisted Brit. All over the place. Never forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Never forget. He's a grade A idiot. Smug one at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Seen this 5 hours ago, frankblack said: He posted around a reply to my conversation with Roxy and has previous for labelling people liars and racists, and notably hasn't tried to justify himself. True racism isn't tolerated on the forum. You have been challenged numerous times to check my posting history back in 2014 yet won't do it - are you scared of being wrong? Seen this Frankie boy? https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/value-of-scottish-natural-resources-calculated-for-first-time-37941175.html#click=https://t.co/H2sacURz6z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 So wind will reduce our deficit and balance the books - brilliant snp have always had plenty wind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: So wind will reduce our deficit and balance the books - brilliant snp have always had plenty wind True. The amount of hot air from Sturgeon and chums could power the planet for years. But back on point, renewables haven't stopped energy Bills rising and we need nuclear investment to power when the wind doesn't blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, frankblack said: True. The amount of hot air from Sturgeon and chums could power the planet for years. But back on point, renewables haven't stopped energy Bills rising and we need nuclear investment to power when the wind doesn't blow. Even More SNP nonsense 😁😁😁 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-has-forced-people-to-choose-their-nationalism-jp553pv70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: So wind will reduce our deficit and balance the books - brilliant snp have always had plenty wind a THIRD of U.K. natural assets. and......... SNP baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!! 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, frankblack said: True. The amount of hot air from Sturgeon and chums could power the planet for years. But back on point, renewables haven't stopped energy Bills rising and we need nuclear investment to power when the wind doesn't blow. And how is "nuclear investment" going to do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, coconut doug said: And how is "nuclear investment" going to do that? Hinkley Point has been a great British success surely? Miles over budget and financed and built by the Chinese and the French. 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Even More SNP Nonsense 😁😁😁 https://news.stv.tv/archive/1433612-record-month-for-renewables-as-109-of-energy-demands-met/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, frankblack said: True. The amount of hot air from Sturgeon and chums could power the planet for years. But back on point, renewables haven't stopped energy Bills rising and we need nuclear investment to power when the wind doesn't blow. frank on the munny again...😁😁😁 Too wee, too poor, too stupid GB can’t even fund or have the brains to build it. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/25/hinkley_point_delayed_and_overbudget/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, coconut doug said: And how is "nuclear investment" going to do that? We need nuclear power to keep the lights on when the wind farms aren't generating enough wind. The Hinkley Point deal with the Chinese was a poor deal no doubt about it but we must invest in maintaining or building new stations to keep it running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Space Mackerel said: frank on the munny again...😁😁😁 Too wee, too poor, too stupid GB can’t even fund or have the brains to build it. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/25/hinkley_point_delayed_and_overbudget/ What plans do the SNP have for a backup when renewables aren't producing enough power and how will it be funded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, frankblack said: We need nuclear power to keep the lights on when the wind farms aren't generating enough wind. The Hinkley Point deal with the Chinese was a poor deal no doubt about it but we must invest in maintaining or building new stations to keep it running. Where did you get your PHD in domestic energy production from frank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, frankblack said: What plans do the SNP have for a backup when renewables aren't producing enough power and how will it be funded? Mind all these major power outages we have had since the SNP took over? Mind....? 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, frankblack said: What plans do the SNP have for a backup when renewables aren't producing enough power and how will it be funded? Energy is reserved. Need to ask that bunch of nomarks in Westminster. They're no very good with other people's stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Energy is reserved. Need to ask that bunch of nomarks in Westminster. They're no very good with other people's stuff! Also remember, there is not 1 wind turbine in Ingurlund!!!! 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: So wind will reduce our deficit and balance the books - brilliant snp have always had plenty wind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, frankblack said: We need nuclear power to keep the lights on when the wind farms aren't generating enough wind. The Hinkley Point deal with the Chinese was a poor deal no doubt about it but we must invest in maintaining or building new stations to keep it running. Nuclear power stations cost a huge amount to set up, break down regularly and cost a fortune to decommission. Some of the waste must be isolated from the rest of the environment for eternity. What figures have you used to justify your statement that we need them. Have you got a contingency plan if the cost of uranium goes up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Stiff competition for some of the Rool Britannia posters on here. Good opportunity to leave their bedroom in their maws hoose though. https://news.sky.com/story/dominic-cummings-pms-adviser-invites-weirdos-and-misfits-to-work-for-number-10-11899986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, coconut doug said: Nuclear power stations cost a huge amount to set up, break down regularly and cost a fortune to decommission. Some of the waste must be isolated from the rest of the environment for eternity. Of course. Alternative solutions such as renewable battery capture aren't ready. 19 minutes ago, coconut doug said: What figures have you used to justify your statement that we need them. Have you got a contingency plan if the cost of uranium goes up? As you said the existing plants will need to be decommissioned and the lights will go out when the wind isn't blowing. The government were advised we needed a nuclear solution as not having a backup is unacceptable. You can Google the reasons yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, frankblack said: Of course. Alternative solutions such as renewable battery capture aren't ready. As you said the existing plants will need to be decommissioned and the lights will go out when the wind isn't blowing. The government were advised we needed a nuclear solution as not having a backup is unacceptable. You can Google the reasons yourself. Looks like frank hasn’t heard of Torness 😁😁😁 Do you know where it is frank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) So Scotland has a 79% surplus yet frank with his PHD from some Xmas cracker he opened on the 25th of December says we need to build new nuclear power stations. Scotland also supplies 65% of the U.K. needs. 😁😁😁 https://www2.gov.scot/Resource/0054/00541605.pdf Edited January 2, 2020 by Space Mackerel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Looks like frank hasn’t heard of Torness 😁😁😁 Do you know where it is frank? What part of decommissioning don't you understand about nuclear power plants? You are having a 'mare tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: What part of decommissioning don't you understand about nuclear power plants? You are having a 'mare tonight. Which university did you get your energy degree out of frank? 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 We would be selling energy and water to the rest of the UK if we become independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Space Mackerel said: Which university did you get your energy degree out of frank? 😁😁😁 Poor deflection attempt to get away from the fact you embarrassed yourself over nuclear power plant decommissioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: Poor deflection attempt to get away from the fact you embarrassed yourself over nuclear power plant decommissioning. Im pretty sure myself and others would agree, you’ve been embarrassing yourself on this thread for about the 1000th time now. Everything you’ve posted is absolute garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 No it’s not and the lack of coherent answers is exactly why the snp will never get independence The great Scottish people won’t be fooled again after the 2014 lies not to mention the trial (doh) post a dugs heid if you agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: No it’s not and the lack of coherent answers is exactly why the snp will never get independence The great Scottish people won’t be fooled again after the 2014 lies not to mention the trial (doh) post a dugs heid if you agree Are you Tracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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