Carl Fredrickson Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, jack D and coke said: Anyone else seen the rumours they’ve arrested someone else in connection with JJ murder? Havent heard that. Would be very surprised as I doubt the police are looking for anyone else unless some substantial new evidence came into play Can someone be arrested for a crime when someone is already serving a sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlynn The Money Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 51 minutes ago, haveyouheard1874 said: Says the likes of you in a matter of fact way as if you know it all,, you would be a dream ticket on a jury for the prosecution I have also mentioned in a previous post there is certainly some doubt , for me anyway .. never ever said Luke was innocent but verdicts can and have changed in the past and will continue to do so IMO Also ,i have posted how gutted i was for Jodi and her family as it must be a living nightmare from them, but you can continue to be the Judge, Jury and Executioner in that deluded way you portray add nausea on line Certainly not saying I know it all my friend. Having served twice on juries I know that there's a lot more evidence than what gets reported in the media. Verdicts can of course change but I don't think that's the case in this instance. I'm not sure why but his mum, a kid on criminologist, two "colourful" ex cops and a local slaver didn't put a very convincing argument forward in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Anyone else seen the rumours they’ve arrested someone else in connection with JJ murder? Where you hearing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, McGlynn The Money said: Certainly not saying I know it all my friend. Having served twice on juries I know that there's a lot more evidence than what gets reported in the media. Verdicts can of course change but I don't think that's the case in this instance. I'm not sure why but his mum, a kid on criminologist, two "colourful" ex cops and a local slaver didn't put a very convincing argument forward in my opinion. Fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Carl Fredrickson said: Havent heard that. Would be very surprised as I doubt the police are looking for anyone else unless some substantial new evidence came into play Can someone be arrested for a crime when someone is already serving a sentence? I’ve no idea tbh bud. Social media bolloks likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlynn The Money Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Anyone else seen the rumours they’ve arrested someone else in connection with JJ murder? Could it be someone who helped the convicted killer? Maybe for the sake of argument, someone who helped the murderer destroy crucial evidence by burning it or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Carl Fredrickson said: Havent heard that. Would be very surprised as I doubt the police are looking for anyone else unless some substantial new evidence came into play Can someone be arrested for a crime when someone is already serving a sentence? I would think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Auldbenches said: Where you hearing this? A WhatsApp group chat bud. It’s likely nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, McGlynn The Money said: Could it be someone who helped the convicted killer? Maybe for the sake of argument, someone who helped the murderer destroy crucial evidence by burning it or something like that. No idea bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, jack D and coke said: A WhatsApp group chat bud. It’s likely nonsense. It is very soon after those programmes but someone might've came forward with something. I suppose WhatsApp will be like Facebook when it comes to rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, McGlynn The Money said: Could it be someone who helped the convicted killer? Maybe for the sake of argument, someone who helped the murderer destroy crucial evidence by burning it or something like that. Sure there is evidence that Lukes family had a wee bonny soon after the killing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, jack D and coke said: A WhatsApp group chat bud. It’s likely nonsense. Imagine, IMAGINE. I had an involvement in the trial, just the logistics of it, the wall where she was found was recreated full scale and the trial held in a huge room that isnt a court room. The person they couldn't name was a very strange one, they were happy to name everyone else! Edited February 27, 2021 by Armageddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Armageddon said: Imagine, IMAGINE. I had an involvement in the trial, just the logistics of it, the wall where she was found was recreated full scale and the trial held in a huge room that isnt a court room. The person they couldn't name was a very strange one, they were happy to name everyone else! Cryptic pal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, jack D and coke said: Anyone else seen the rumours they’ve arrested someone else in connection with JJ murder? I’ve been told it’s total nonsense. It’s a guy who was referred to very loosely during the programme. However, he is now being hassled by social media stirred up by the persuaders in the programme. I don’t know the chap in question, but it is well known amongst his peers that he has absolutely no connection to the crime. Very sad how people can affect other people’s lives by suggestion without any due cause or decent thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Police Scotland statement during the programme did say the case was closed and a person convicted, he'll be out in 3 years I'm sure. The conditions his mum was living in was something else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: I’ve been told it’s total nonsense. It’s a guy who was referred to very loosely during the programme. However, he is now being hassled by social media stirred up by the persuaders in the programme. I don’t know the chap in question, but it is well known amongst his peers that he has absolutely no connection to the crime. Very sad how people can affect other people’s lives by suggestion without any due cause or decent thought. Correct but sadly a reality Remember the Wimbledon common murder... police hounded that guy and then some Only when it came to light yrs later that he was found to be innocent and thankfully exonerated , yet not even an apology from the OB even after all this time .. Basically you can be innocent but dragged away or guilty and walk Edited February 27, 2021 by haveyouheard1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Armageddon said: The conditions his mum was living in was something else! She's been rehoused since the programme was filmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, neilnunb said: She's been rehoused since the programme was filmed. A bit sick but she looked well worth a rattle in her day 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewjambo Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 41 minutes ago, haveyouheard1874 said: Correct but sadly a reality Remember the Wimbledon common murder... police hounded that guy and then some Only when it came to light yrs later that he was found to be innocent and thankfully exonerated , yet not even an apology from the OB even after all this time .. Basically you can be innocent but dragged away or guilty and walk Colin Stagg received an apology and £700k of compensation in 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 minute ago, andrewjambo said: Colin Stagg received an apology and £700k of compensation in 2008 Yep but it took the incomitance and all in there powers to do so but you are correct and fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Neither the prosecution nor the defence made any properly strong arguments during the trial, which is why it ended up being the longest single-defendant trial in Scottish history. The Polis made a complete tit of the investigation from the very start. The media whipped up all manner of hysteria and there was no way that guy was ever going to get an impartial jury in an Edinburgh court. You have to remember that this was 2003 and anti-Goth hysteria was rife both globally an in Edinburgh itself. Goths had been banned from Princes St gardens and Lothian Buses FFS. The entire case was handled badly by everybody involved and although, on the balance of probability the right person was jailed, that's not a high enough standard of proof for any serious crime, nor does it provide closure to the bereaved family. This is one of those cases where there will always be questions and doubts on both sides and the fault lies squarely at the door of the Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlynn The Money Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 9 hours ago, haveyouheard1874 said: A bit sick but she looked well worth a rattle in her day 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peakybunnet Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Cade said: Neither the prosecution nor the defence made any properly strong arguments during the trial, which is why it ended up being the longest single-defendant trial in Scottish history. The Polis made a complete tit of the investigation from the very start. The media whipped up all manner of hysteria and there was no way that guy was ever going to get an impartial jury in an Edinburgh court. You have to remember that this was 2003 and anti-Goth hysteria was rife both globally an in Edinburgh itself. Goths had been banned from Princes St gardens and Lothian Buses FFS. The entire case was handled badly by everybody involved and although, on the balance of probability the right person was jailed, that's not a high enough standard of proof for any serious crime, nor does it provide closure to the bereaved family. This is one of those cases where there will always be questions and doubts on both sides and the fault lies squarely at the door of the Police. Or the person who killed Jodi, and helped to cover it up by his mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 10 hours ago, haveyouheard1874 said: A bit sick but she looked well worth a rattle in her day 😛 Thank god I’m no the only person who thought that 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlynn The Money Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 minute ago, theshed said: Thank god I’m no the only person who thought that 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 11 hours ago, SectionDJambo said: I’ve been told it’s total nonsense. It’s a guy who was referred to very loosely during the programme. However, he is now being hassled by social media stirred up by the persuaders in the programme. I don’t know the chap in question, but it is well known amongst his peers that he has absolutely no connection to the crime. Very sad how people can affect other people’s lives by suggestion without any due cause or decent thought. Reading this morning that they have pulled the 2nd episode online due to it naming someone it shouldn’t have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¼½¾ Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, theshed said: Reading this morning that they have pulled the 2nd episode online due to it naming someone it shouldn’t have I'm watching it on My5 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lemongrab said: I'm watching it on My5 now. It was from yesterday’s papers and it does say they were going to have to remove the blunder before they could show it again so I’m assuming they have removed whatever it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 13 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Anyone else seen the rumours they’ve arrested someone else in connection with JJ murder? No, the rumour is that the suspect the P.Is believe was most likely, was a family relation of JJ and it was his spunk in the condom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlynn The Money Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, theshed said: Reading this morning that they have pulled the 2nd episode online due to it naming someone it shouldn’t have Just shows the shambolic nature of the people behind the programme. Scary to think that thousands of clowns watched that nonsense and have decided he's innocent on the back of it, crowdfunding and signing petitions in the process. Nutters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: No, the rumour is that the suspect the P.Is believe was most likely, was a family relation of JJ and it was his spunk in the condom. if this turns out to be the case and it is his semen then why would this line of inquiry not have been followed up? That place seems like a good secluded spot for couples and others to have sex so couldn't it just have been a randy couples throwing away their dirty deeds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¼½¾ Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, theshed said: It was from yesterday’s papers and it does say they were going to have to remove the blunder before they could show it again so I’m assuming they have removed whatever it was Yes, there was text blurred out on a computer screen showing other possible suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: if this turns out to be the case and it is his semen then why would this line of inquiry not have been followed up? That place seems like a good secluded spot for couples and others to have sex so couldn't it just have been a randy couples throwing away their dirty deeds? There's little doubt in my mind that it would be a secluded area which young people would think was ideal for enjoying themselves, in a way that they wouldn't be able to in their parent's homes. There were probably many more condoms lying around at the time, but just not exactly where poor Jodie was found. It was one of the least relevant pieces of bombshell evidence produced by the 3 sleuths, along with the girl driving the car whilst not being aware of anything going on at the side of the road. For a programme dedicated to showing up the police for their questionable handling of the investigation, they didn't cover themselves in much glory either. So many holes in their theories for them to be considered strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 For those saying the documentary was very one sided, isn't that the point? The documentary makers are of the belief that there is doubt in the case and have commissioned the programme on that basis. I haven't watched it and I'm not getting invited in the either side debates on here. What I will say though is people should have a look at the innocence project in America. It's a charity dedicated to freeing innocent people who are locked up for crimes that they didn't commit. The number of people they have helped and are helping now is staggering. The false convictions are full of both police and prosecutor corruption. It's taken years and "countless" appeals to get some of them out. Yes I know its America but its surely not a stretch to imagine the same thing happens here as well as other western countries. It wouldn't take long to dig up some cases online. I'm not saying anything about this particular case, I'll leave that to others, all I'm saying is that corruption and miscarriages of justice are not uncommon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: if this turns out to be the case and it is his semen then why would this line of inquiry not have been followed up? That place seems like a good secluded spot for couples and others to have sex so couldn't it just have been a randy couples throwing away their dirty deeds? I think that was the alibi surrounding the matter. This is just social media talk. Folk seen the name of the "other suspect" on screen, hence why ch5 have had to edit the episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 15 hours ago, McGlynn The Money said: Could it be someone who helped the convicted killer? Maybe for the sake of argument, someone who helped the murderer destroy crucial evidence by burning it or something like that. You made me laugh there. I have this opinion of you that your ancestors dunked women accused of being witches to see if they drowned. If they didn't, they must be witch so burned them at the stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlynn The Money Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Tommy Brown said: You made me laugh there. I have this opinion of you that your ancestors dunked women accused of being witches to see if they drowned. If they didn't, they must be witch so burned them at the stake. Och not at all. I'm well aware that the police make mistakes and get things wrong and many innocent people have been jailed wrongly. I genuinely don't think that's happened in this case though, certainly not on the back of this "documentary". The two PIs made the Keystone Cops look respectable (that's before we get into why they left the police), the mother is a nutjob who's doing anything to try to get her son out of jail, the criminologist is an attention seeker who has tried to pin the crime on virtually every other male living within a 50 mile radius. As for the guy who was accusing the deceased Mark Kane, his connection to the case is interesting to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, McGlynn The Money said: Och not at all. I'm well aware that the police make mistakes and get things wrong and many innocent people have been jailed wrongly. I genuinely don't think that's happened in this case though, certainly not on the back of this "documentary". The two PIs made the Keystone Cops look respectable (that's before we get into why they left the police), the mother is a nutjob who's doing anything to try to get her son out of jail, the criminologist is an attention seeker who has tried to pin the crime on virtually every other male living within a 50 mile radius. As for the guy who was accusing the deceased Mark Kane, his connection to the case is interesting to say the least. This has always been the crux for me from the initial sentencing. I don't believe the police have made mistakes. A lot worse than that. They have done a downright appalling inept inquiry, completely unworthy of such a callous crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza Cuore Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, McGlynn The Money said: As for the guy who was accusing the deceased Mark Kane, his connection to the case is interesting to say the least. Care to share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 14 hours ago, SectionDJambo said: I’ve been told it’s total nonsense. It’s a guy who was referred to very loosely during the programme. However, he is now being hassled by social media stirred up by the persuaders in the programme. I don’t know the chap in question, but it is well known amongst his peers that he has absolutely no connection to the crime. Very sad how people can affect other people’s lives by suggestion without any due cause or decent thought. 15 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Anyone else seen the rumours they’ve arrested someone else in connection with JJ murder? Rumour is false. The program didn't name more than one person so a few of the other comments on what people have surmised from the programme are also not probable. The condom was supposedly found some 50yards away from the area (almost the width of a professional football pitch) for example. There's a reason a lot of the other suspects were so quickly dismissed. There is way way more to it than the documentary made out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, Alan_R said: Rumour is false. The program didn't name more than one person so a few of the other comments on what people have surmised from the programme are also not probable. The condom was supposedly found some 50yards away from the area (almost the width of a professional football pitch) for example. There's a reason a lot of the other suspects were so quickly dismissed. There is way way more to it than the documentary made out. That's why people should take documentaries like this with a pinch of salt especially when you have dumb and dumber in the guise of PI's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlynn The Money Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, Forza Cuore said: Care to share? Scott Forbes is his name I think. Type that and Jodi Jones case into Google and see what comes up. A good insight into his character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Watched the documentary this morning and it makes some strong arguments. It had zero balance whatsoever though, there was not a single argument for Mitchell actually being guilty. With no attempts to not be one sided it is hard to give it much credence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNic Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: Watched the documentary this morning and it makes some strong arguments. It had zero balance whatsoever though, there was not a single argument for Mitchell actually being guilty. With no attempts to not be one sided it is hard to give it much credence. Correct. Was looking forward to this until I realised it was a channel 5 documentary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, McGlynn The Money said: Scott Forbes is his name I think. Type that and Jodi Jones case into Google and see what comes up. A good insight into his character. Exactly what I said earlier when I was talking about people leeching off this case and trying to keep it going. Guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, McGlynn The Money said: Scott Forbes is his name I think. Type that and Jodi Jones case into Google and see what comes up. A good insight into his character. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-witness-wanted-50k-968845 Daily Record from 2008, unsure if I can copy the text here as it also names who condom man is said to be. None of this is startling new evidence as depicted in the C5 documentary, its been around for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peakybunnet Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: This has always been the crux for me from the initial sentencing. I don't believe the police have made mistakes. A lot worse than that. They have done a downright appalling inept inquiry, completely unworthy of such a callous crime. Can you give examples of how a murder enquiry should work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlynn The Money Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Exactly what I said earlier when I was talking about people leeching off this case and trying to keep it going. Guilty. 1 hour ago, The Frenchman Returns said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-witness-wanted-50k-968845 Daily Record from 2008, unsure if I can copy the text here as it also names who condom man is said to be. None of this is startling new evidence as depicted in the C5 documentary, its been around for years. my good men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Just watched part 2 still plenty doubt for me She passes a polygraph test as does Luke when that and other stuff was put to them It surely has to go back to court for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haveyouheard1874 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Sorry meant when certain evidence put to both when they both passed a lie detector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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