troonjambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Eh.... those figures only go up until 2000... And you can see that most of the improvements have been made when who was not in power............ Just destroyed your own argument there. Nice one. lol ill dig out some new one they will however be very similar there will be no spike like the post war one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 late 90s and 2000s britain is a ****ing paridise compared to the nation i was a 18 year old in Wouldn't you have to concede that this was down to the Tories previous years of rule...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Is there not some irony in your position in that, should Scotland ever gain independence, you would likely never have to worry about another Tory government again. no irony at all i am british the torys dont bother me as much as the nationalists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Wouldn't you have to concede that this was down to the Tories previous years of rule...... no it was down to the spectacular success of the new labour government Marshalled by there brilliant chancellor GB anyway we will all get to see what the new generation of tory leadership are made off soon enough cause there going to romp it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=277 Provisional estimates show that for the calendar year 2007 the UK recorded a government deficit of ?39.4 billion, which was equivalent to 2.8 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) Also you have to remember these figures are fudged. No PFI debt is included in this. Also the loan to the NR is not added either. They have classed this as a '3 year loan' with the 'possibility' of an extension. This conveniently means that they can keep this off the official debt figures. Britains REAL ratio of debt to GDP is probably more like 5%. And that is down to Labour. 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 no it was down to the spectacular success of the new labour government Marshalled by there brilliant chancellor GB anyway we will all get to see what the new generation of tory leadership are made off soon enough cause there going to romp it That comment was tongue in cheek yes ? Please tell me it was...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 That comment was tongue in cheek yes ? Please tell me it was...... indeed it was not do you think the tories will do a better job??????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 indeed it was not do you think the tories will do a better job??????????? They can't do any worse. Brown will go down in history as the Chancellor who almost (Hopefully it is only that bad) bankrupted Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 They can't do any worse. Brown will go down in history as the Chancellor who almost (Hopefully it is only that bad) bankrupted Britain. I'm sure George Osborne likes a challenge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 They can't do any worse. Brown will go down in history as the Chancellor who almost (Hopefully it is only that bad) bankrupted Britain. oh yes they can mate but we will all find out real soon (ps i am not so dogmatic i want them to fail i have lived in a country when the goverment has failed it was no fun at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I'm sure George Osborne likes a challenge... oh god :sad::sad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I'm sure George Osborne likes a challenge... Boris help me out here please with your fellow comrade !! I think he is barking mad !!! He thinks the 'good' times of the late 90's were down to Labour and Gordon Brown......... Does he not realise that is impossible......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Boris help me out here please with your fellow comrade !! I think he is barking mad !!! He thinks the 'good' times of the late 90's were down to Labour and Gordon Brown......... Does he not realise that is impossible......... eh we took power in 97 from then on in the country was really on the up and up hell economics is staggeringly about confidence the whole country lifted up when we got rid ofr that shower of incompetent degenerates and put in the labour dream team ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 eh we took power in 97 from then on in the country was really on the up and up hell economics is staggeringly about confidence the whole country lifted up when we got rid ofr that shower of incompetent degenerates and put in the labour dream team ;) Holy **** your brainwashing is bad..............real bad. I don't know what to say. Really when it comes to this subject you are beyond help. Good luck in your treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Holy **** your brainwashing is bad..............real bad. I don't know what to say. Really when it comes to this subject you are beyond help. Good luck in your treatment. i feel the same about you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Jambo 60 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 i feel the same about you TJ hes winding you up . Like i said before BITCH thatcher ruined us and Cameron what a ponce end of. As for BROWN my 9 year old has more personality. Thats why hes a RAITH fan. And i was labour for years,never missed vote but now forget it. They are right wing now (ASK BORIS) . VOTE SNP NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I look at things probably a bit to simplistic and selfishly but IMO public services are pretty much the same however the tax we all pay has went up a substantially. 10 years of Labour yet they are still blaming the Tories and are still taxing the life out of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Like i said before BITCH thatcher History will show Baroness Thatcher to be Britain's second greatest Prime Minister after Sir Winston Churchill. She smashed the unions who were holding the country to ransom, got rid of outdated and uncompetitive industries, and delivered a new vibrant economy in time for the 21st century. Britain has a lot to thanks her for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 History will show Baroness Thatcher to be Britain's second greatest Prime Minister after Sir Winston Churchill. She smashed the unions who were holding the country to ransom, got rid of outdated and uncompetitive industries, and delivered a new vibrant economy in time for the 21st century. Britain has a lot to thanks her for. I can just imagine you visibly swelling with pride as you typed that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I can just imagine you visibly swelling with pride as you typed that Ooh err :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Is anyone else a little shocked at how brainwashed some people really are ? I vote conservative but I can see mistakes they have made in the past. They will no doubt make mistakes in the future too. However some of the labour posters on this thread actually just BELIEVE everything that they are told by the labour..... I am actually quite shocked. I know people can be easily swayed but this takes it to a new level. Do these people not want to think for themselves ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 labour posters on this thread I love the ones who froth at the mouth about Baroness Thatcher as a way of proving their lefty/socialist/labour credentials. It's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Ooh err :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I love the ones who froth at the mouth about Baroness Thatcher as a way of proving their lefty/socialist/labour credentials. It's hilarious. FFS actually found 1 of your posts i agree with. Have to say i find it hilarious at how worked up some people get over Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 FFS actually found 1 of your posts i agree with. Have to say i find it hilarious at how worked up some people get over Thatcher. FFS actually found 1 of your posts i agree with. Ditto !!! There is a lot of hate towards her. No doubt she ****ed a lot of things up but if you compare the country when she took over to when she left, she certainly improved a lot of things. And at least she had some balls to stand by her convictions. Unlike a certain Gordon.............. Leaders cannot be weak. Brown is weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltese jambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Is anyone else a little shocked at how brainwashed some people really are ? I vote conservative but I can see mistakes they have made in the past. They will no doubt make mistakes in the future too. However some of the labour posters on this thread actually just BELIEVE everything that they are told by the labour..... I am actually quite shocked. I know people can be easily swayed but this takes it to a new level. Do these people not want to think for themselves ? The thing is many Labour voters see themselves more as supporters, just as we are Hearts fans, they will turn out and vote (more often than not) even if they dont agree with how their party is being run...as do most of us turn up for hearts games even though we may not like the reigeme. The bottom line there is that politics isnt a sport or hobby, its very serious and touches all of our lives; these kind of people who will vote labour no matter what and are too stubburn to realise that the only people they are kidding are themselves and they are not only hurting themselves but the rest of us too. Indeed there would be parts of the UK; inner northern cities such as Glasgow, where Labour could actually field a Baboon as a candidate for MP and it would get elected....thats how deluded these people really are...shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 The thing is many Labour voters see themselves more as supporters, just as we are Hearts fans, they will turn out and vote (more often than not) even if they dont agree with how their party is being run...as do most of us turn up for hearts games even though we may not like the reigeme. The bottom line there is that politics isnt a sport or hobby, its very serious and touches all of our lives; these kind of people who will vote labour no matter what and are too stubburn to realise that the only people they are kidding are themselves and they are not only hurting themselves but the rest of us too. Indeed there would be parts of the UK; inner northern cities such as Glasgow, where Labour could actually field a Baboon as a candidate for MP and it would get elected....thats how deluded these people really are...shame. Thats Weegieland for you. By the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamdub Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I will say one thing, 'Boris the Mayor of London', you could not make it up. Thank feck I live in Scotland......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Across England & Wales, things are looking good. Anyone else sitting up watching the good results come in? Taking Southampton for example is massive Shove it up your A**e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwull22 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 To you tories, who created the underclass in glasgow in the first place, doing away with all the heavy industry jobs(wait for the tory it was all the unions fault), yip it was the Grantham Gremlin herself, of course that's after she created a diddy war against Argentina,by removing the Endeavor(I think it was called) from the South Atlantic. And most of you commenting on her weren't even at school when "it" was Prime Minister, the country only started to turn round once she was punted out of office by her own side. I now for the first time ever look forward to an independent Scotland to ensure we are never ruled by that lot again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Is anyone else a little shocked at how brainwashed some people really are ? I vote conservative but I can see mistakes they have made in the past. They will no doubt make mistakes in the future too. However some of the labour posters on this thread actually just BELIEVE everything that they are told by the labour..... I am actually quite shocked. I know people can be easily swayed but this takes it to a new level. Do these people not want to think for themselves ? Have to say I agree, I hate Labour with a passion, and I feel they are by far the worst party to govern Great Britain in my lifetime. I cant be arsed going into reasons why because quite simply politics bore me (I know they shouldn't, but they do), but I have never felt so let down, so taxed to the hilt, so lied to and backstabbed (hell I could be talking about Romanov here too lol!!) and never ever felt before that the country was in such a poor state. To be frank, I don't trust any one party to run the country competently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Have to say I agree, I hate Labour with a passion, and I feel they are by far the worst party to govern Great Britain in my lifetime. I cant be arsed going into reasons why because quite simply politics bore me (I know they shouldn't, but they do), but I have never felt so let down, so taxed to the hilt, so lied to and backstabbed (hell I could be talking about Romanov here too lol!!) and never ever felt before that the country was in such a poor state. To be frank, I don't trust any one party to run the country competently. I voted labour when I was a student. Once they got into power I realised that they don't stick to their principles. I am genuinely worried about my pension - thanks Gordon. I will probably have to work until I'm 80 before I can afford to retire. What we need is a government to come in and take a hard line with the following issues: - taxes - time to cut fuel tax to take into account all the price rises. Alistair Darling will still get the same in anyway. All the tax rises - fuel, beer, etc are being used to pay for extra benefits for the work-shy labour schemies who will always vote Labour because its easier than getting a job. - council tax - i'm not in favour of local income tax - it just means we have to employ more civil servants and costs us more. We already have a national income tax scheme - all that is needed is to take a higher percentage of tax off at source. - energy - need to involve the OFT and prevent these companies profiteering at the customers expense. This is a cartel, not competitive industry. - unions - the thicko lefties are striking left, right, and centre not realising that their precious Labour government is going to get emptied because of them. When the Tories get in power I suggest a return to Thatcherite policies to crush the unions. What happened at Grangemouth cannot be allowed to happen again because they can bring the whole country to a standstill. The ****ers are earning 40 grand+ and the change in pension laws would only have applied to new workers anyway. - touting - Labour is clearly on the take with ticket touting agencies because they won't make it illegal. Fans cannot buy tickets for their bands because people are earning a good living buying up all the tickets and selling them on ebay within hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 - touting - Labour is clearly on the take with ticket touting agencies because they won't make it illegal. Fans cannot buy tickets for their bands because people are earning a good living buying up all the tickets and selling them on ebay within hours. I take it the Conservatives are on the take as well, since they resisted demands to make ticket touting illegal on several occasions in the 1980s. Ticket touting isn't illegal here either. Is it illegal anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 To you tories, who created the underclass in glasgow in the first place, doing away with all the heavy industry jobs(wait for the tory it was all the unions fault), yip it was the Grantham Gremlin herself, of course that's after she created a diddy war against Argentina,by removing the Endeavor(I think it was called) from the South Atlantic. And most of you commenting on her weren't even at school when "it" was Prime Minister, the country only started to turn round once she was punted out of office by her own side. I now for the first time ever look forward to an independent Scotland to ensure we are never ruled by that lot again. Wow. The brainwashing just keeps coming up with better and better examples. Blaming the 'underclass' in Glasgow on the Tories......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwull22 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I voted labour when I was a student. Once they got into power I realised that they don't stick to their principles. I am genuinely worried about my pension - thanks Gordon. I will probably have to work until I'm 80 before I can afford to retire. What we need is a government to come in and take a hard line with the following issues: - taxes - time to cut fuel tax to take into account all the price rises. Alistair Darling will still get the same in anyway. All the tax rises - fuel, beer, etc are being used to pay for extra benefits for the work-shy labour schemies who will always vote Labour because its easier than getting a job. - council tax - i'm not in favour of local income tax - it just means we have to employ more civil servants and costs us more. We already have a national income tax scheme - all that is needed is to take a higher percentage of tax off at source. - energy - need to involve the OFT and prevent these companies profiteering at the customers expense. This is a cartel, not competitive industry. - unions - the thicko lefties are striking left, right, and centre not realising that their precious Labour government is going to get emptied because of them. When the Tories get in power I suggest a return to Thatcherite policies to crush the unions. What happened at Grangemouth cannot be allowed to happen again because they can bring the whole country to a standstill. The ****ers are earning 40 grand+ and the change in pension laws would only have applied to new workers anyway. - touting - Labour is clearly on the take with ticket touting agencies because they won't make it illegal. Fans cannot buy tickets for their bands because people are earning a good living buying up all the tickets and selling them on ebay within hours. I hardly think voting tory will help your pension, they'd have you in the mills from cradle to grave given half a chance, who was it that stopped the old age pension being linked to average earnings,thus causing the state pension to now almost be worthless yip THATCHER and her cronies, Tories always have been the party of selfishness and greed, you can guarantee that whatever mistakes have been made by the current lot will be multiplied 10 fold by that bunch of inbred aristocrats. Your manifesto above could easily have been taken straight from Mein Kampf:evilno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I hardly think voting tory will help your pension, they'd have you in the mills from cradle to grave given half a chance, who was it that stopped the old age pension being linked to average earnings,thus causing the state pension to now almost be worthless yip THATCHER and her cronies, Tories always have been the party of selfishness and greed, you can guarantee that whatever mistakes have been made by the current lot will be multiplied 10 fold by that bunch of inbred aristocrats. Your manifesto above could easily have been taken straight from Mein Kampf Wow. The brainwashing just keeps coming up with better and better examples. Comparing the Tories to Hitler.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwull22 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Wow. The brainwashing just keeps coming up with better and better examples. Comparing the Tories to Hitler.......... Please read what I said, Where did I compare the tories to Hitler, I believe I was quoting the poster on his/her manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Please read what I said, Where did I compare the tories to Hitler, I believe I was quoting the poster on his/her manifesto. Apologies I have amended my comment below: Wow. The brainwashing just keeps coming up with better and better examples. Comparing a poster with Tory like opinions to Hitler........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 To you tories, who created the underclass in glasgow in the first place, doing away with all the heavy industry jobs(wait for the tory it was all the unions fault), yip it was the Grantham Gremlin herself, of course that's after she created a diddy war against Argentina,by removing the Endeavor(I think it was called) from the South Atlantic. And most of you commenting on her weren't even at school when "it" was Prime Minister, the country only started to turn round once she was punted out of office by her own side. I now for the first time ever look forward to an independent Scotland to ensure we are never ruled by that lot again. Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Labour and the Tories have both run this country into the ground. You can blame the unions, the lack of heavy industry etc but it was a combined effort by both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Politics = one big fat self serving idiot trying to beat another big fat self serving idiot to be the biggest fattest self serving idiot in the country. There's a lot to be said for communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Politics = one big fat self serving idiot trying to beat another big fat self serving idiot to be the biggest fattest self serving idiot in the country. There's a lot to be said for communism. Not really, didnt work for the communists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Holy ****. Gordon Brown on Andrew Marr show... Never seen a weaker looking inane PM. He is embarresing. Completely out of touch with reality. Nothing is our fault, it is all because of the US. Low inflation, low debt. I just wonder if the guy actually is so delusional he believes all that. Either that or it is just bare faced lies. He is gone. No matter what. Even if he is still officially PM in 6 months time he is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Holy ****. Gordon Brown on Andrew Marr show... Never seen a weaker looking inane PM. He is embarresing. Completely out of touch with reality. Nothing is our fault, it is all because of the US. Low inflation, low debt. I just wonder if the guy actually is so delusional he believes all that. Either that or it is just bare faced lies. He is gone. No matter what. Even if he is still officially PM in 6 months time he is done. When he was appointed, I don't think I've ever seen a bigger example of a "job for the boys" (apart from Gordhun Smith of course), and the chancellor apart, I don't think I've ever seen a man so far out of his depth before! The man is a complete waste of skin and breath! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 When he was appointed, I don't think I've ever seen a bigger example of a "job for the boys" (apart from Gordhun Smith of course), and the chancellor apart, I don't think I've ever seen a man so far out of his depth before! The man is a complete waste of skin and breath! I would agree. Even if I was a Labour supporter I would still agree !! It is just like watching the Tories in their final few years. Been in power for so long that they actually believe their own hype. Brown is a disgrace. When I see him parading around the World I am actually mortified that he is representing me. Blair was a slimy **** bag but at least he had some semblance of 'leadership' about him.... Brown reminds me of some old horrible self centred accountant in a big bank that everyone despises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwull22 Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 The 12% of people who vote tory in Scotland don't half make some noise, also I am not a Labour supporter I just happen to have social concience which is something the tories certainly do not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 It is just like watching the Tories in their final few years. Been in power for so long that they actually believe their own hype. All administrations of any party run out of steam eventually. Apart from that, governments can't really control the economy ( particularly give it's globalisation these days ) and when the luck turns.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltese jambo Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 I just cringe when Brown and his cronnies say...oh yes yes we will listen to the people and learn our lessons.....so what are you going to do about it? ohh ermm nothing. Their so deluded that they think people are just going to buy 'we'll listen' yet have no solid solutions to the fact that the country is going down the drain. Btw, for all the labour fans who complain about the demise of industry in Glasgow and the coal mines.....just how long did you think that these industries could continue given the fact that they were haemorageing money and with no prospect of being sustainable? The truth is that Maggie made hard decisions to help the long term viability of the coutry. I for one would not like my tax money to be spend on proping up unsustainable industry. The bottom line is that people need sustainable careers for life, not just jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 I just cringe when Brown and his cronnies say...oh yes yes we will listen to the people and learn our lessons.....so what are you going to do about it? ohh ermm nothing. Their so deluded that they think people are just going to buy 'we'll listen' yet have no solid solutions to the fact that the country is going down the drain. Btw, for all the labour fans who complain about the demise of industry in Glasgow and the coal mines.....just how long did you think that these industries could continue given the fact that they were haemorageing money and with no prospect of being sustainable? The truth is that Maggie made hard decisions to help the long term viability of the coutry. I for one would not like my tax money to be spend on proping up unsustainable industry. The bottom line is that people need sustainable careers for life, not just jobs. Which is exactly what Labour have just done with NR. You couldn't script it better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 All administrations of any party run out of steam eventually. Apart from that, governments can't really control the economy ( particularly give it's globalisation these days ) and when the luck turns.... Very true, it is just how they deal with the situation they are handed. Labour could not have handled this much worse. IMO. **** - stick the greens or BNP in power they cant do any ****ing worse !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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