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jack D and coke
19 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Thatcher (1980s) fair game

Sturgeon (2020s) not

Ok Jack 

She completely changed the course of the entire country and the policies are still felt today…it’s not even slightly comparable to what Sturgeon has done bloody hell man :lol: 
She’s presided over a disastrous gender bill and she annoyed folk during Covid. Is that what you’re getting at? Vs what Thatcher done? Carried on by Blair etc? 
Your head is utterly warped by the SNP man. Destroyed. 

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jack D and coke
19 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Come on Jack . That’s not you . Thought u had moved on from the “ thatcher “ is to blame for all our ills ! 

She’s not to blame for all the ills but she made changes that are still felt today.  

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The Real Maroonblood
4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

She completely changed the course of the entire country and the policies are still felt today…it’s not even slightly comparable to what Sturgeon has done bloody hell man :lol: 
She’s presided over a disastrous gender bill and she annoyed folk during Covid. Is that what you’re getting at? Vs what Thatcher done? Carried on by Blair etc? 
Your head is utterly warped by the SNP man. Destroyed. 

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13 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

She’s not to blame for all the ills but she made changes that are still felt today.  

Yes I’d agree to an extent but some people are using it as an excuse to not be pro active about their lives /situations . 

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2 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said:

The bog standard line trotted out by empty headed nationalists nowadays when they have no defence to the chaos created by their Chief Mammy.


No defence is required. She’s being accused of lying about something when it was actually a mistake by a reporter in their article. Some bizarrely even think she’s somehow complicit because she hasn’t rung the reporter up to tell them.🤣

 

There’s plenty of valid reasons to have a go at her without making stuff up. That’s the living rent free in people’s heads part. 
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9 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

Rev Stu calling him a racist isn't evidence. Can you quote the actual words that offend you or make you feel inferior on account of your skin colour or ethnicity?

 

I wasn't trying to provide evidence that he was/is racist, neither am I particularly offended by what he said

You asked which speech other posters were referring to and that article not only quotes the speech verbatim but also shows how the ScotGov record of the speech is not a true representation of the speech itself

It then goes on to demolish Yousaf's own assertion, made in the speech, that because most civic leaders in Scotland are white, Scotland is institutionally racist, thereby confirming Yousaf's lack of logical thinking

 

As you would know if you read  the article

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1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said:

Along with her racist bestie Jayney Godley. 

As the saying goes “ it’s says a lot about you with the company you keep “ both well suited to each other 

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3 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said:

The bog standard line trotted out by empty headed nationalists nowadays when they have no defence to the chaos created by their Chief Mammy.

None of them talk about indy anymore or when the next referendum for it is, after the remember the date last referendum was a lie and scam.

 

Nobody donates to them because they know the money could vanish easily.

 

And remember all under one umbrella, they seem to have realised they have been conned too.

When was their last effort.

 

They know Salmond, Sturgeon and Yousaf have all led them a merry dance while raking it in.

 

Swinney never even mentions it.

 

 

Insults, bitterness and anger is all they have left.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

I wasn't trying to provide evidence that he was/is racist, neither am I particularly offended by what he said

You asked which speech other posters were referring to and that article not only quotes the speech verbatim but also shows how the ScotGov record of the speech is not a true representation of the speech itself

It then goes on to demolish Yousaf's own assertion, made in the speech, that because most civic leaders in Scotland are white, Scotland is institutionally racist, thereby confirming Yousaf's lack of logical thinking

 

As you would know if you read  the article

 

Thanks for the word salad but i've already eaten.

 

Whether or not Scotland is institutionally racist can be debated - it certainly was and there's still racism around. Some on here, I suspect. However, this common assertion that Humza hates whites is utter BS.

 

Strange how some white men who are apparenlty against "pandering to minorities" and being "woke" are so keen to portray themselves as victims when a black guy attains a position of power. Attack him on his political performance by all means but don't conjur up claims of racism when one guy gives his experiences.

 

As to Wings - he's an utter fandan. Also thinks football fans are scum apparently and blamed Hillsborough on the Liverpool fans. Despite the outcome of a lengthy enquiry, that taudry wee incel knows better.

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6 minutes ago, Australis said:

None of them talk about indy anymore or when the next referendum for it is, after the remember the date last referendum was a lie and scam.

 

Nobody donates to them because they know the money could vanish easily.

 

And remember all under one umbrella, they seem to have realised they have been conned too.

When was their last effort.

 

They know Salmond, Sturgeon and Yousaf have all led them a merry dance while raking it in.

 

Swinney never even mentions it.

 

 

Insults, bitterness and anger is all they have left.

 

 

 

The referendum is not allowed because both Butt Cheeks in London refuse to grant. Can you tell us when it will be granted?

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3 minutes ago, Australis said:

None of them talk about indy anymore or when the next referendum for it is, after the remember the date last referendum was a lie and scam.

 

Nobody donates to them because they know the money could vanish easily.

 

And remember all under one umbrella, they seem to have realised they have been conned too.

When was their last effort.

 

They know Salmond, Sturgeon and Yousaf have all led them a merry dance while raking it in.

 

Swinney never even mentions it.

 

 

Insults, bitterness and anger is all they have left.

 

 


Seems a bit churlish to declare half the population are “empty headed” just because they support independence.

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Lord Montpelier
57 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Maybe that should be Nicola's epitaph-

"She wasn't quite as bad as Thatcher".

I think she would like it to say ... here lies the Chief Mammy of the Scottish people

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

The referendum is not allowed because both Butt Cheeks in London refuse to grant. Can you tell us when it will be granted?

Sturgeon knew it was illegal and needed permission when she announced it.

 

But it's someone else's fault.

It wasn't the two but cheeks who lied to you and led you on.

 

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unknownuser
24 minutes ago, Australis said:

 

None of them talk about indy anymore or when the next referendum for it is, after the remember the date last referendum was a lie and scam.

 

It's you yoons who'll do anything to keep the conversation away from independence because dependence is an indefensible position.

 

Why do you think Scotland should be dependent?

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lost in space
3 minutes ago, unknownuser said:

 

It's you yoons who'll do anything to keep the conversation away from independence because dependence is an indefensible position.

 

Why do you think Scotland should be dependent?

Scotland should stay inter-dependent with the rest of the UK - until there is sufficient proof that Scotland would benefit  financially by being independent.

To think otherwise is reckless.

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14 minutes ago, Australis said:

Sturgeon knew it was illegal and needed permission when she announced it.

 

But it's someone else's fault.

It wasn't the two but cheeks who lied to you and led you on.

 

In fairness they got tanked in their default referendum back in the summer. They went quiet about that though.

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1 minute ago, lost in space said:

Scotland should stay inter-dependent with the rest of the UK - until there is sufficient proof that Scotland would benefit  financially by being independent.

To think otherwise is reckless.

Only people with nowt to lose are screetching for Indy . The rest of us are thinking not only of ourselves but friends and families futures under an Indy Scotland . It’s a No from me . 

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13 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

In fairness they got tanked in their default referendum back in the summer. They went quiet about that though.

Yeah, the default bit never got mentioned again.

 

Feels to me like they keep getting sold lie after lie and promise after promise and are just waiting for the next one.

 

My NO vote in 2014 is easily the best thing I have ever done for Scotland.

 

The hate and bitterness from the nationalists that it caused is off the scale.

 

Indy will not happen any time soon. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

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unknownuser
1 hour ago, Australis said:

Yeah, the default bit never got mentioned again.

 

Feels to me like they keep getting sold lie after lie and promise after promise and are just waiting for the next one.

 

My NO vote in 2014 is easily the best thing I have ever done for Scotland.

 

The hate and bitterness from the nationalists that it caused is off the scale.

 

Indy will not happen any time soon. 🙂

 

 

Why do you think Scotland should be dependent?

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3 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

The referendum is not allowed because both Butt Cheeks in London refuse to grant. Can you tell us when it will be granted?

 

The S30 route is dead

There will not be another referendum under that framework

 

2 hours ago, Gerry1874 said:

In fairness they got tanked in their default referendum back in the summer. They went quiet about that though.

 

2 hours ago, Australis said:

Yeah, the default bit never got mentioned again.

 

Feels to me like they keep getting sold lie after lie and promise after promise and are just waiting for the next one.

 

My NO vote in 2014 is easily the best thing I have ever done for Scotland.

 

The hate and bitterness from the nationalists that it caused is off the scale.

 

Indy will not happen any time soon. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think de facto is what you are both struggling to articulate

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23 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

The S30 route is dead

There will not be another referendum under that framework

 

 

 

I think de facto is what you are both struggling to articulate

No, quite simply Swinney said, if the SNP won the majority of seats it would mean the nationalists could again push for independence.

 

After the election, when they were skelped and went down to 9 MPs..he shut his mouth and vanished.

 

That's what we both said.

 

Even stupid nationalist MSPs  wouldnt try de facto.

 

They would be jailed and they know it.

Like the Spanish lot who tried the same.

Some jailed some fled Spain and ran away. 

 

 

Swinney at least wanted it done legally.

 

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unknownuser
4 minutes ago, Australis said:

No, quite simply Swinney said, if the SNP won the majority of seats it would mean the nationalists could again push for independence.

 

After the election, when they were skelped and went down to 9 MPs..he shut his mouth and vanished.

 

That's what we both said.

 

Even stupid nationalist MSPs  wouldnt try de facto.

 

They would be jailed and they know it.

Like the Spanish lot who tried the same.

Some jailed some fled Spain and ran away. 

 

 

Swinney at least wanted it done legally.

 

 

No, it's de facto, there was never talk about a default referendum, loads about a de facto.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-63742281

 

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-independence-what-is-a-de-facto-referendum-how-long-is-a-generation-indyref2-latest-3928696

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65663750

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49 minutes ago, Australis said:

No, quite simply Swinney said, if the SNP won the majority of seats it would mean the nationalists could again push for independence.

 

After the election, when they were skelped and went down to 9 MPs..he shut his mouth and vanished.

 

That's what we both said.

 

Even stupid nationalist MSPs  wouldnt try de facto.

 

They would be jailed and they know it.

Like the Spanish lot who tried the same.

Some jailed some fled Spain and ran away. 

 

 

Swinney at least wanted it done legally.

 

Bring it on then lol 

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12 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

The referendum is not allowed because both Butt Cheeks in London refuse to grant. Can you tell us when it will be granted?

 

There will never be another referendum in the UK unless it is to rubber stamp a decision.

 

2016 and Brexit saw to that.

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9 hours ago, AyrJambo said:

 

The S30 route is dead

There will not be another referendum under that framework

 

 

 

I think de facto is what you are both struggling to articulate

I think there's a bigger issue you are struggling to articulate but never mind.

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unknownuser
1 hour ago, Gerry1874 said:

I think there's a bigger issue you are struggling to articulate but never mind.

 

Hey so what's so great about Scotland being dependent?

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31 minutes ago, unknownuser said:

 

Hey so what's so great about Scotland being dependent?

You really need some new material. 

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9 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

You really need some new material. 

That was an open goal to give him a list of why Scotland is better in than out of the UK but you went for the poster instead ?

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Just now, Boab said:

That was an open goal to give him a list of why Scotland is better in than out of the UK but you went for the poster instead ?

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There's no point he just repeats the same 2 lines continually.

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2 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

There's no point he just repeats the same 2 lines continually.

Fair enough. I suppose the actions of the present UK Government will determine how people vote in 2026. I’ve said previously that Scotland will enter a period of hung parliaments in the coming years and that will put to bed any Indy for the foreseeable future.

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15 hours ago, Australis said:

Sturgeon knew it was illegal and needed permission when she announced it.

 

But it's someone else's fault.

It wasn't the two but cheeks who lied to you and led you on.

 

 

So, when will it be granted?

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14 hours ago, Gerry1874 said:

In fairness they got tanked in their default referendum back in the summer. They went quiet about that though.

 

Default?

 

:what:

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Just now, Boab said:

Without a clear mandate…never !

Even with one…never !

 

 

Define a mandate?

 

Also, what's a hung parliament in Scottish terms?

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lost in space

ANGELA CONSTANCE - is she the worst politician at Holyrood???

Has to be.

Saw her questioned last night on the pyrotechnics at the cup final - she was asked what she, as Justice Minister, what she was going to do.  I dont think English is her first language to be fair - but she just spoke gibberish. Something about speaking to her business partners about it.

As usual - took no responsibility and has not the first idea on what to do. 

How did this person ever get to be a minister?

And then this morning - front page about her mis-use of an official car.  Now she know what happened with the Health Minister (Gray?) - and how he had to apologise.  She obviously couldnt give a ****.

Not the biggest offence in the world - but shows her attitude - and the attitude of SNP politicians. 

Dont know who she supports but looks a bit "Celticy".   

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26 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

So, when will it be granted?

Thanks to the silent majority, never.

 

Got to remember after promising to respect the result of the last referendum then not doing so, the UK goverment will be even more streetwise to  not granting another, to constant cry baby liars.

 

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19 minutes ago, lost in space said:

ANGELA CONSTANCE - is she the worst politician at Holyrood???

Has to be.

Saw her questioned last night on the pyrotechnics at the cup final - she was asked what she, as Justice Minister, what she was going to do.  I dont think English is her first language to be fair - but she just spoke gibberish. Something about speaking to her business partners about it.

As usual - took no responsibility and has not the first idea on what to do. 

How did this person ever get to be a minister?

And then this morning - front page about her mis-use of an official car.  Now she know what happened with the Health Minister (Gray?) - and how he had to apologise.  She obviously couldnt give a ****.

Not the biggest offence in the world - but shows her attitude - and the attitude of SNP politicians. 

Dont know who she supports but looks a bit "Celticy".   

Saw that too . No the brightest . Reason shd got the job ? Said the “ right on “

things , followed leaders like sheep , said as little as possible to not to be found out . They really are a hopeless bunch .

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unknownuser
2 hours ago, Gerry1874 said:

There's no point he just repeats the same 2 lines continually.

 

And you still don't have an answer 🤷‍♂️

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unknownuser
2 hours ago, Australis said:

Thanks to the silent majority, never.

 

Got to remember after promising to respect the result of the last referendum then not doing so, the UK goverment will be even more streetwise to  not granting another, to constant cry baby liars.

 

 

We're still part of the union buddy, how has it not been respected?

 

Democracy doesn't end with a vote, it carries on, and no one promised to stop campaigning for what they believe in.

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Thunder and Lightning
3 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

 

Define a mandate?

 

Also, what's a hung parliament in Scottish terms?

When two men go out for dinner or drinks?

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54 minutes ago, unknownuser said:

 

And you still don't have an answer 🤷‍♂️

I like things as they are? My life is good and therefore the status quo suits me just fine. 

 

Why do you desire independence?

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unknownuser
3 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

I like things as they are? My life is good and therefore the status quo suits me just fine. 

 

Why do you desire independence?

 

Scotland gets whatever England votes for, I want a government that;

 

We have a say in electing

 

Puts Scotland's interests first

 

We can hold accountable 

 

 

Plus of course, it's right and normal for a country to want independence rather than being dependent on a government in another country that couldn't give the slightest **** about us.

 

Hey, but you're alright Jack.

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2 minutes ago, unknownuser said:

 

Scotland gets whatever England votes for, I want a government that;

 

We have a say in electing

 

Puts Scotland's interests first

 

We can hold accountable 

 

 

Plus of course, it's right and normal for a country to want independence rather than being dependent on a government in another country that couldn't give the slightest **** about us.

 

Hey, but you're alright Jack.

I thought that is what Holyrood is for?

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3 minutes ago, unknownuser said:

 

Scotland gets whatever England votes for, I want a government that;

 

We have a say in electing

 

Puts Scotland's interests first

 

We can hold accountable 

 

 

Plus of course, it's right and normal for a country to want independence rather than being dependent on a government in another country that couldn't give the slightest **** about us.

 

Hey, but you're alright Jack.

What economic benefits do you think parting with our largest trading partner, switching to a new currency and implementing a border system between Scotland and the UK will bring?

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unknownuser
5 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

What economic benefits do you think parting with our largest trading partner, switching to a new currency and implementing a border system between Scotland and the UK will bring?

 

What economic benefits do you think staying with the sinking ship that is the UK will bring? Are we in a better economic position now than when we were told Better Together?

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