BlueRiver Posted February 6 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said: Aye right enough, the export value is added to England's income totals as point of departure rather than ours as point of production. Can you provide a source for that?
BlueRiver Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Quite honestly no idea where this comes from in general. Wholesale of whisky by distillers will be caught by Scottish-based companies corporation tax. Domestic sales of whisky in Scotland will be caught by alcohol duty, VAT share and any other relevant tax on the business doing the sale. Income tax and other revenues raised within Scotland as a result of the whisky industry will be caught in GERS. The overall size of the Scottish economy will factor in the whisky industry and be caught in other statistics.
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 6 Posted February 6 30 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: Can you provide a source for that? Not easily, because of disaggregation and obfuscation but I'll have a look later
jack D and coke Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: The only thing MUP has done is to make it more expensive for your average Joe to buy alcohol here than down England. Thats it. It isn’t putting anyone off and it never will because ultimately people will just ****ing start brewing their own of they have to. Younger generations seem to be turning away from alcohol because of education a shift in attitudes/norms towards healthier lifestyles. Thats the route to cutting alcohol and drug deaths and better overall health. Trying to price folk out of it is lazy. Just drive up the black market if you do or make people turn to other vices. MUP was targeted (initially) for schemes etc where youths were buying party sized bottles of cider etc, getting wired and causing mayhem for the residents. The responsibility that these companies have selling 2 and 3 litres of bonkers cider for 3 and 4 quid isn’t really measured in all sorts of ways. Anti social behaviour, violence, health problems etc they should be held responsible in the way tobacco companies were imo. It’s funny to me how people (not you pal btw) rejoice in the alcohol related death figures then demand cheap booze in the same breath…🤷🏽♂️sort of an oxymoron with emphasis on the moron there… Like you say though there is definitely a shift on in the youth now they defo don’t want to drink as much. Maybe finally the drinking culture that has troubled Scotland for a century at least might start to abait.
AlimOzturk Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 53 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: MUP was targeted (initially) for schemes etc where youths were buying party sized bottles of cider etc, getting wired and causing mayhem for the residents. The responsibility that these companies have selling 2 and 3 litres of bonkers cider for 3 and 4 quid isn’t really measured in all sorts of ways. Anti social behaviour, violence, health problems etc they should be held responsible in the way tobacco companies were imo. It’s funny to me how people (not you pal btw) rejoice in the alcohol related death figures then demand cheap booze in the same breath…🤷🏽♂️sort of an oxymoron with emphasis on the moron there… Like you say though there is definitely a shift on in the youth now they defo don’t want to drink as much. Maybe finally the drinking culture that has troubled Scotland for a century at least might start to abait. I wouldn’t mind the MUP if the profits and extra taxes raised actually went towards solving the ever increasing health crisis here in Scotland. If the money was shown to being funnelled towards health schemes aimed at educating and improving folks lives you wouldn’t mind it. Much the same if you saw your increased council taxes actually showing improvements rather than much the same or worsening services. It’s all a lie. They aren’t interested in improving peoples relationship with drink. They are only interested in the extra tax they will receive from higher alcohol prices Edited February 6 by AlimOzturk
jack D and coke Posted February 6 Posted February 6 12 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: I wouldn’t mind the MUP if the profits and extra taxes raised actually went towards solving the ever increasing health crisis here in Scotland. If the money was shown to being funnelled towards health schemes aimed at educating and improving folks lives you wouldn’t mind it. Much the same if you saw your increased council taxes actually showing improvements rather than much the same or worsening services. It’s all a lie. They aren’t interested in improving peoples relationship with drink. They are only interested in the extra tax they will receive from higher alcohol prices It doesn’t go to the govts…it goes to the retailers or manufacturers does it not?
BlueRiver Posted February 6 Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: It doesn’t go to the govts…it goes to the retailers or manufacturers does it not? Yep. " It is not a tax and does not generate income for the government" https://www.gov.scot/policies/alcohol-and-drugs/minimum-unit-pricing/
BlueRiver Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said: Not easily, because of disaggregation and obfuscation but I'll have a look later Just even something that backs up what you said from a reputable source would work
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 6 Posted February 6 29 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: It’s all a lie. They aren’t interested in improving peoples relationship with drink. They are only interested in the extra tax they will receive from higher alcohol prices Yep .
Australis Posted February 6 Posted February 6 13 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Grangemouth being closed is a scandal of which I can’t recall for a long time. How on earth is it not viable yet it’s viable to take the oil south then sending it back up in tankers or by road or rail is? Scotland without a refinery is political imo. Local MSPs seem to have not been interested.
John Findlay Posted February 6 Posted February 6 16 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said: How ridiculously stupid did Sturgeon look when answering the question "is Isla Bryson a man". I obviously have no time for her but that topic made others , many supporters, question her motivation and judgement. For me, its about the rights and protections of girls and women. Sturgeon and her gang wanted to dilute these. Perhaps posters like XB52 were happy with that position. That poster is not clever enough. OTT's answer above will have him flummoxed forever.
Gundermann Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: I wouldn’t mind the MUP if the profits and extra taxes raised actually went towards solving the ever increasing health crisis here in Scotland. If the money was shown to being funnelled towards health schemes aimed at educating and improving folks lives you wouldn’t mind it. Much the same if you saw your increased council taxes actually showing improvements rather than much the same or worsening services. It’s all a lie. They aren’t interested in improving peoples relationship with drink. They are only interested in the extra tax they will receive from higher alcohol prices Are you not contradicting yourself here? A tax but not a tax? FWIW, I don't mind the MUP but it should be a health tax with that money ringfenced for the NHS. AFAIK, the extra dough just goes to the retailers' profits.
Gundermann Posted February 6 Posted February 6 14 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Good stuff again mate. The people who just refuse to see what this ridiculous issue has done to the credibility of not just the snp but the Indy movement as a whole for like you say 0.44% of the population is sheer and utter lunacy. Its hard to comprehend for me. Defending the rights of a minority does not mean you cater for only that percentage of the population. You gurn about the divisiveness of this issue - true - but it was you who brought it up as a completely unrelated response to the current meltdown in Abla. The saga continues btw. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qj3gzxzp2o
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 6 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, Gundermann said: FWIW, I don't mind the MUP but it should be a health tax with that money ringfenced for the NHS. AFAIK, the extra dough just goes to the retailers' profits. Agree with this.
Gundermann Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Lord Montpelier said: What is it with scottish nationalists parties and backstabbing, infighting, treachery and corruption. Same as all the rest I guess Well... it isn't just the leftie parties thankfully. Or us here on KB, though we may not do treachery or corruption.
jack D and coke Posted February 6 Posted February 6 9 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Defending the rights of a minority does not mean you cater for only that percentage of the population. You gurn about the divisiveness of this issue - true - but it was you who brought it up as a completely unrelated response to the current meltdown in Abla. The saga continues btw. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qj3gzxzp2o I brought it up cos you said Radge vs Radge in alba. What’s radger than thinking a person with a beard and a cock is a woman? That was my point. The SNP damaged themselves beyond belief by refusing to go into reverse after seeing how divisive an issue it is.
BlueRiver Posted February 6 Posted February 6 19 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Are you not contradicting yourself here? A tax but not a tax? FWIW, I don't mind the MUP but it should be a health tax with that money ringfenced for the NHS. AFAIK, the extra dough just goes to the retailers' profits. Agreed. I don't really care much about MUP but that part of it irritates me.
AlimOzturk Posted February 6 Posted February 6 42 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Are you not contradicting yourself here? A tax but not a tax? FWIW, I don't mind the MUP but it should be a health tax with that money ringfenced for the NHS. AFAIK, the extra dough just goes to the retailers' profits. Yep i was contradicting myself. Forgetting Vat collected goes to the UK coffers not the Scottish. Which makes it all the more ridiculous. I agree with you the extra raised should have been a health benefit but it does nothing but increase profits for the retailers.
Hagar the Horrible Posted February 6 Posted February 6 15 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Grangemouth being closed is a scandal of which I can’t recall for a long time. How on earth is it not viable yet it’s viable to take the oil south then sending it back up in tankers or by road or rail is? Scotland without a refinery is political imo. But is that not what the SNP and the Greens wanted, JUST STOP OIL, cant have it both ways
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 6 Posted February 6 36 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: What’s radger than thinking a person with a beard and a cock is a woman? Controversial.
Gundermann Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, jack D and coke said: I brought it up cos you said Radge vs Radge in alba. What’s radger than thinking a person with a beard and a cock is a woman? That was my point. The SNP damaged themselves beyond belief by refusing to go into reverse after seeing how divisive an issue it is. So aye, you brought it up and did so again. Alba whose motto was 'Independence and only independence' seem to enjoy frothing about others' genitals. Maybe seething about 0.44% of the population is part of the reason why your vote hasn't topped 2%. As to your question re women and cocks etc, ask your MacAskill about trans rights. If trans people don't exist, why does your man believe in rights for them? https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/trans-rights-and-womens-rights-both-matter-it-is-a-question-of-balance-kenny-macaskill-3122234 Edited February 6 by Gundermann
Australis Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) Nicola Sturgeon appeared in the Scottish parliament today, for the first time this year and since she announced the end of her sham marriage. Easy money. Edited February 6 by Australis
jack D and coke Posted February 6 Posted February 6 32 minutes ago, Gundermann said: So aye, you brought it up and did so again. Alba whose motto was 'Independence and only independence' seem to enjoy frothing about others' genitals. Maybe seething about 0.44% of the population is part of the reason why your vote hasn't topped 2%. As to your question re women and cocks etc, ask your MacAskill about trans rights. If trans people don't exist, why does your man believe in rights for them? https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/trans-rights-and-womens-rights-both-matter-it-is-a-question-of-balance-kenny-macaskill-3122234 So you call Alba Radge so I make an example of the utter radges in your snp then you say I brought it randomly so I explain why I brought it up but that’s me bringing it up again?? McCaskill is defo not my man either… It’s time for these guys to disappear into the background in politics. He was never a good politician imo. I travelled on a Scotland bus to Prague years ago ran by him. He was an erse.
Australis Posted February 6 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: Must of been a photo opportunity for her See MacAskill and Ash Regan have turned on each other in the race for the Alba leadership too. MacAskill no longer an MP and Regan who won her seat easily in the Scottish parliament as an MSP. Before she left to join Alba. Imagine the SNP will want to win that seat back from her, and both will be out of a job. At each others throats they are
jack D and coke Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Hagar the Horrible said: But is that not what the SNP and the Greens wanted, JUST STOP OIL, cant have it both ways Mibbe that eejit Sturgeon and the greens but don’t start the Better together lot told us it was aw running oot. Aw ran oot by 2018 they said…funny that it’s still giving out billion pound contracts a decade later. In fact been telling us that since the 80’s it’s “aw running oot”
Gundermann Posted February 6 Posted February 6 McEleny and Regan, if she loses the leadership spat, to join Reform?
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Controversial. I live in hope of meeting a woman with a beard and **** as it will increase my chances of pulling significantly
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Australis said: Nicola Sturgeon appeared in the Scottish parliament today, for the first time this year and since she announced the end of her sham marriage. Easy money. She really has a brass neck .
Australis Posted February 6 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: She really has a brass neck . If it was a Labour or Tory MSP she would be all over it.
lost in space Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Australis said: Nicola Sturgeon appeared in the Scottish parliament today, for the first time this year and since she announced the end of her sham marriage. Easy money. I think she probably knows now the Branchform outcome. She has distanced herself from Peter and is starting on the comeback trail. Cue more SNP in-fighting.
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 6 Posted February 6 13 minutes ago, lost in space said: I think she probably knows now the Branchform outcome. She has distanced herself from Peter and is starting on the comeback trail. Cue more SNP in-fighting. Yep . That’s exactly it . She clearly thinks she is an asset to the SNP and the Indy movement . She isn’t . She’s a spent force . However her narcissistic personality won’t want to believe this . Indy might happen but she will be nowhere near it
Jacques de Gauthier Posted February 6 Posted February 6 36 minutes ago, lost in space said: I think she probably knows now the Branchform outcome. She has distanced herself from Peter and is starting on the comeback trail. Cue more SNP in-fighting. Assuming they were ever that close to begin with.
Jacques de Gauthier Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Gundermann said: McEleny and Regan, if she loses the leadership spat, to join Reform? Ash Regan in Hugo Boss? Yes please. 🥰
lost in space Posted February 6 Posted February 6 40 minutes ago, Jacques de Gatineau said: Assuming they were ever that close to begin with. It's not a coupling that I want to contemplate really!! Possibly an marriage of convenience in the true meaning.
jack D and coke Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Here we go again…😂 So she got kiddy on married, kiddy on pregnant, had a kiddy on miscarriage, went on holidays to their flat in Portugal just kiddying on, lived together for about 10 years just kiddying on🤣🤣 Take a ****ing day off man! Weirdos obsessing over this man.
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: I live in hope of meeting a woman with a beard and **** as it will increase my chances of pulling significantly You must be clocking up the miles now, jimbob. Not about time you were settling down before parts of you start falling off? Time is a cruel mistress, my friend.
jack D and coke Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: Dont forget the romantic days out in the campervan. More likely to have happened than all the rest of your lots wee fantasies
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: You must be clocking up the miles now, jimbob. Not about time you were settling down before parts of you start falling off? Time is a cruel mistress, my friend.
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Jacques de Gatineau said: Ash Regan in Hugo Boss? Yes please. 🥰
Gerry1874 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, jack D and coke said: Here we go again…😂 So she got kiddy on married, kiddy on pregnant, had a kiddy on miscarriage, went on holidays to their flat in Portugal just kiddying on, lived together for about 10 years just kiddying on🤣🤣 Take a ****ing day off man! Weirdos obsessing over this man. I can bet you anything the misscarriage was kiddy on. He's a heartless lesbian but wanted to seem more family friendly.
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 6 Posted February 6 7 hours ago, BlueRiver said: Just even something that backs up what you said from a reputable source would work I can't find anything so I guess I can't say that so firmly, apologies, that'll larn me 👍 Having said that, I also couldn't find anything that says exactly how it's export value is attributed to Scotland.
jack D and coke Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Gerry1874 said: I can bet you anything the misscarriage was kiddy on. He's a heartless lesbian but wanted to seem more family friendly. Righto Gerry🤪🇮🇪🇮🇪
BlueRiver Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 hours ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said: I can't find anything so I guess I can't say that so firmly, apologies, that'll larn me 👍 Having said that, I also couldn't find anything that says exactly how it's export value is attributed to Scotland. https://www.gov.scot/collections/economy-statistics/#exportstatisticsscotland(ess) There's probably something in that page somewhere about it. I reckon we've probably both reached our raking about for it limits though 😂
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 hours ago, BlueRiver said: https://www.gov.scot/collections/economy-statistics/#exportstatisticsscotland(ess) There's probably something in that page somewhere about it. I reckon we've probably both reached our raking about for it limits though 😂 I got to the GERS breakdown, where it became clear it's workings were a complicated secret. There's no way to know what their calculations are when attributing things to Scotland's economy. I also found that Dublin University had been commissioned to dig into the Welsh economy. They found that the economy was MUCH stronger than Westminster reported. That can't be massively expensive and they already have a methodology, I'd be right behind the Scottish government commissioning similar.
BlueRiver Posted February 7 Posted February 7 9 hours ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said: I got to the GERS breakdown, where it became clear it's workings were a complicated secret. There's no way to know what their calculations are when attributing things to Scotland's economy. I also found that Dublin University had been commissioned to dig into the Welsh economy. They found that the economy was MUCH stronger than Westminster reported. That can't be massively expensive and they already have a methodology, I'd be right behind the Scottish government commissioning similar. GERS only shows you Scottish revenue and expenditure. The size of the economy is calculated elsewhere.
BlueRiver Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said: The scottish governement have had nearly two decades to do this. Wonder why they havent. A single economist commissioned by Plaid Cymru found this. He was also one of those that just decides that Wales shouldn't bother paying for its own defence, very much in the standard nationalist tradition. It's the epitome of latching on to results you like at the expense of evidence you don't.
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 7 Posted February 7 25 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: GERS only shows you Scottish revenue and expenditure. The size of the economy is calculated elsewhere. And how they arrive at the figures is a mystery
ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ Posted February 7 Posted February 7 22 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: A single economist commissioned by Plaid Cymru found this. He was also one of those that just decides that Wales shouldn't bother paying for its own defence, very much in the standard nationalist tradition. It's the epitome of latching on to results you like at the expense of evidence you don't. A single economist found what?
BlueRiver Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said: And how they arrive at the figures is a mystery It really isn't you just refuse to read the information and the ways they're calculated. That's fine, you have political capital to make from it.
BlueRiver Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said: A single economist found what? What you said regarding the Welsh study.
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