Scottish independence and devolution superthread

[Thunder and Lightning]

Just now, Roxy Hearts said:

No,are you? I'm working. I'm just surprised the Sturgeon thing is taking so long and why. You got a conclusion?

Have you got evidence that police Scotland is acting under orders from an outside entity? 

[lost in space]

3 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

Have you got evidence that police Scotland is acting under orders from an outside entity? 

I think it is now part of the DNA of the Indy supporter "it's Westminsters fault".

No responsibility taken for this Scottish mess.

I don't think they are capable of change.

If they did get independence - there would be "interference".

It will never stop.

[Roxy Hearts]

15 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

Have you got evidence that police Scotland is acting under orders from an outside entity? 

I never said they did!

 

7 minutes ago, lost in space said:

I think it is now part of the DNA of the Indy supporter "it's Westminsters fault".

No responsibility taken for this Scottish mess.

I don't think they are capable of change.

If they did get independence - there would be "interference".

It will never stop.

What you on about? Both of you have misinterpreted my posts. I'll leave you to wonder why it's taking so long. Let me know if you have a reason.

[lost in space]

4 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I never said they did!

 

What you on about? Both of you have misinterpreted my posts. I'll leave you to wonder why it's taking so long. Let me know if you have a reason.

Hi Roxy - well, I was just having a go at Indy supporters in general. It's my hobby😇. Just having a bit of fun - not directed at you.

To be fair, you did suggest the T&L was being naive for not believing in the conspiracy. Well, that's how I read it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, lost in space said:

T&L was being naive for not believing in the conspiracy. Well, that's how I read it.

Me too 

[Roxy Hearts]

22 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Hi Roxy - well, I was just having a go at Indy supporters in general. It's my hobby😇. Just having a bit of fun - not directed at you.

To be fair, you did suggest the T&L was being naive for not believing in the conspiracy. Well, that's how I read it.

No probs. I'm just putting thoughts out there. Just wondering why the Sturgeon investigation isn't completed. Is there a motive why it's taking so long?

[lost in space]

2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

No probs. I'm just putting thoughts out there. Just wondering why the Sturgeon investigation isn't completed. Is there a motive why it's taking so long?

If the UK gov had a choice, result would have been announced just before the GE - no matter the result.

I really think it has been badly handled.

It has been with the CO for months now. They should have been it constant comms with the Police during the whole process.

By the time the case was "presented" to the Crown Office, they should have been ready to act.

Due diligence of the report required of course but surely CO had a Depute on the case full time.

[Roxy Hearts]

12 minutes ago, lost in space said:

If the UK gov had a choice, result would have been announced just before the GE - no matter the result.

I really think it has been badly handled.

It has been with the CO for months now. They should have been it constant comms with the Police during the whole process.

By the time the case was "presented" to the Crown Office, they should have been ready to act.

Due diligence of the report required of course but surely CO had a Depute on the case full time.

It's ridiculous hence my mistrusting thoughts!

[Martin B]

A&E wait times at worst since January. 😕

 

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/over-35000-people-attending-ae-didnt-need-to-as-waiting-times-soar-to-worst-level-since-january

[Thunder and Lightning]

1 hour ago, lost in space said:

Hi Roxy - well, I was just having a go at Indy supporters in general. It's my hobby😇. Just having a bit of fun - not directed at you.

To be fair, you did suggest the T&L was being naive for not believing in the conspiracy. Well, that's how I read it.

And me, but as he has no basis in reality he paints others as naive because he has been asked to back it up. 😂 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

And me, but as he has no basis in reality he paints others as naive because he has been asked to back it up. 😂 

" Bloody British establishment " !!! 

[Roxy Hearts]

59 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

And me, but as he has no basis in reality he paints others as naive because he has been asked to back it up. 😂 

I'm asking you to use your own thoughts and maybe think a little deeper. If you think everything is up front an honest, well, good for you. Politics is a dirty game bud!

 

55 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

" Bloody British establishment " !!! 

What about it?

[AyrJambo]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

" Bloody British establishment " !!! 

 

Correct although not sure that was your intent!

[Thunder and Lightning]

16 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I'm asking you to use your own thoughts and maybe think a little deeper. If you think everything is up front an honest, well, good for you. Politics is a dirty game bud!

 

What about it?

Where did I say everything is up front and honest?

 

The fact is you tried to imply I was naive for not thinking it's all some conspiracy that mammy has not been to court yet. 

 

I asked you for evidence of interference in the case by anyone. 

 

You dont have any so try to obfuscate with assertions of naivety. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

22 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I'm asking you to use your own thoughts and maybe think a little deeper. If you think everything is up front an honest, well, good for you. Politics is a dirty game bud!

 

What about it?

I dunno you tell me . You often mention it pal 👍

[Thunder and Lightning]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

" Bloody British establishment " !!! 

Yon yoons mate. 

[Roxy Hearts]

8 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I dunno you tell me . You often mention it pal 👍

You naive too 😂

 

11 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

Where did I say everything is up front and honest?

 

The fact is you tried to imply I was naive for not thinking it's all some conspiracy that mammy has not been to court yet. 

 

I asked you for evidence of interference in the case by anyone. 

 

You dont have any so try to obfuscate with assertions of naivety. 

I didn't say there was interference. Why is taking so long? What's with "mammy"? You prefer dependency to independence, it's you that needs a "mammy".

 

I'd prefer the maturity of my country and its people taking full responsibility for its decisions. 

[Thunder and Lightning]

39 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

You naive too 😂

 

I didn't say there was interference. Why is taking so long? What's with "mammy"? You prefer dependency to independence, it's you that needs a "mammy".

 

I'd prefer the maturity of my country and its people taking full responsibility for its decisions. 

I don't need a mammy, thanks for the offer tho. 

 

Maybe you should take some personal responsibility and make your life better for you and your family as opposed to whining about big bad conspiracies keeping you down? 

[Roxy Hearts]

7 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

I don't need a mammy, thanks for the offer tho. 

 

Maybe you should take some personal responsibility and make your life better for you and your family as opposed to whining about big bad conspiracies keeping you down? 

It was you that mentioned "mammy"! I just responded to it. 

 

Me and my family are fine. I'm a father/stepfather with a beatiful daughter and 2 wonderful stepdaughters that I helped raise from a young age. I know about responsibility! I also have 5 loving grandkids.

 

I didn't mention "conspiracies". 

 

Goodnight and stay well.

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

3 hours ago, Martin B said:

A&E wait times at worst since January. 😕

 

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/over-35000-people-attending-ae-didnt-need-to-as-waiting-times-soar-to-worst-level-since-january

 

Dearie me, the state of things in this union eh?

[Gundermann]

14 hours ago, Martin B said:

A&E wait times at worst since January. 😕

 

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/over-35000-people-attending-ae-didnt-need-to-as-waiting-times-soar-to-worst-level-since-january

 

Those broad shoulders...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/top-doctor-warns-deaths-will-rise-this-winter-after-a-e-target-left-off-labour-milestones/ar-AA1vprN6

[Gundermann]

20 hours ago, Thunder and Lightning said:

I always thought that was a short term thing. 

 

To not alienate people who don't mind them. I fully belive after a suitable period there would have been a vote to dump them. 

 

 

Sounds good. I fail to see why this collection of inbreds should lounge and nonce at our expense.

 

SNP are a strange fish. Coming from both Yoons and Nats: they are both fascist or nazi and communist. Only think about breaking up the UK/ only want devolution. Fail to provide public services/ spend money giving folk what they want.

Edited December 11, 2024 by Gundermann

[Thunder and Lightning]

2 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

 

Sounds good. I fail to see why this collection of inbreds should lounge and nonce at our expense.

 

SNP are a strange fish. Coming from both Yoons and Nats: they are both fascist or nazi and communist. Only think about breaking up the UK/ only want devolution. Fail to provide public services/ spend money giving folk what they want.

 

We need more fascist Nazi communists imo... 😂

[Konrad von Carstein]

18 hours ago, lost in space said:

Yes, could close down Balmoral and Holyrood Palace - and get rid of the thousands of tourists who pour in and spend their bloody money. Yeah, because no one goes to France to visit the royal palaces 

We would have a Presiden instead - it works so well in US after all. Ah yes only the US has an elected head of state.

Who you going to get to open ceremonies and head charities then? - Mhairi Black??? FFS

 

The Royal Family will be scaled back - rightly so - when Charles dies. Not before ******* time!!

They can be good "ambassadors" for us and an asset. Meh!

There should (and I think there will be) changes - including re-examination of the state aid and their tax free allowances. Not before ******* time!! Mk2

Perhaps a full and proper "independent" review is required. Indeed.

 

[Konrad von Carstein]

16 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

" Bloody British establishment " !!! 

That's the spirit Jimmy! 

[lost in space]

54 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

 

I think - re Royal Family - we (and probably most of Britain) believe it NEEDS to change. In Scotland there may be a majority who actually want it be scrapped. We (Scots) wont get that choice alone though, while part of the UK.

It does raise questions - for instance, in an independent state (Aye, right.... as if.......) - who would we have as President.  I cant think of one person.

Another politician? - no thanks from me.

 

Actually Steven Flynn could be President - he can do 2 jobs.

[Konrad von Carstein]

10 minutes ago, lost in space said:

I think - re Royal Family - we (and probably most of Britain) believe it NEEDS to change. In Scotland there may be a majority who actually want it be scrapped. We (Scots) wont get that choice alone though, while part of the UK.

It does raise questions - for instance, in an independent state (Aye, right.... as if.......) - who would we have as President.  I cant think of one person.

Another politician? - no thanks from me.

 

Actually Steven Flynn could be President - he can do 2 jobs.

Plus ça change...

 

[AyrJambo]

40 minutes ago, lost in space said:

I think - re Royal Family - we (and probably most of Britain) believe it NEEDS to change. In Scotland there may be a majority who actually want it be scrapped. We (Scots) wont get that choice alone though, while part of the UK.

It does raise questions - for instance, in an independent state (Aye, right.... as if.......) - who would we have as President.  I cant think of one person.

Another politician? - no thanks from me.

 

Actually Steven Flynn could be President - he can do 2 jobs.

 

Rather an elected politician (or academic maybe) over the current organised crime group calling themselves the Royal Family!

It would depend on what constitutional status and powers we want to be vested in the head of state

US has a President

France has a President and a Prime Minister

We make an arrangement that suits us

The key thing is that the head of state would be a symbol of the sovereignty of the people under the Scottish constitution as currently constituted and which has been ignored since 1707

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

2 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

Rather an elected politician (or academic maybe) over the current organised crime group calling themselves the Royal Family!

It would depend on what constitutional status and powers we want to be vested in the head of state

US has a President

France has a President and a Prime Minister

We make an arrangement that suits us

The key thing is that the head of state would be a symbol of the sovereignty of the people under the Scottish constitution as currently constituted and which has been ignored since 1707

 

It doesn't really matter if the poster can't think of anyone, it's not the point. Hell we could have a poet with a couple of smashing big dugs, but it would be Scotland's choice rather than being foisted on us by another country's electorate.

[AyrJambo]

1 minute ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

It doesn't really matter if the poster can't think of anyone, it's not the point. Hell we could have a poet with a couple of smashing big dugs, but it would be Scotland's choice rather than being foisted on us by another country's electorate.

Very true! 👍

[Martin B]

56 minutes ago, lost in space said:

I think - re Royal Family - we (and probably most of Britain) believe it NEEDS to change. In Scotland there may be a majority who actually want it be scrapped. We (Scots) wont get that choice alone though, while part of the UK.

It does raise questions - for instance, in an independent state (Aye, right.... as if.......) - who would we have as President.  I cant think of one person.

Another politician? - no thanks from me.

 

Actually Steven Flynn could be President - he can do 2 jobs.

I’d be interested to the results of a cost-benefit analysis done on the royal family.

[jack D and coke]

2 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

 

Appreciate that. I just CBFA taking that apart. 
Drivel and not for the first time. 

Edited December 11, 2024 by jack D and coke

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

20 minutes ago, Martin B said:

I’d be interested to the results of a cost-benefit analysis done on the royal family.

 

I wouldn't, it would be full of shite like the idea that no royal family means no visitors.

[AyrJambo]

4 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

I wouldn't, it would be full of shite like the idea that no royal family means no visitors.

 

This

I can't think of any organisation or individual in the UK who could be trusted to carry out such an analysis impartially

[Konrad von Carstein]

20 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

This

I can't think of any organisation or individual in the UK who could be trusted to carry out such an analysis impartially

The make up of the organisation is one thing, the terms of reference for them is the main driver, you could have a team made up of chinless inbred aristos, but if they are constrained by a clear set of requirements that must be supported by evidence AND an assurance that it will all be made public, then their natural servile tendancies wouldn't matter...

Edited December 11, 2024 by Konrad von Carstein

[lost in space]

38 minutes ago, Martin B said:

I’d be interested to the results of a cost-benefit analysis done on the royal family.

 

16 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

I wouldn't, it would be full of shite like the idea that no royal family means no visitors.

 

10 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

This

I can't think of any organisation or individual in the UK who could be trusted to carry out such an analysis impartially

I do think that there should be a review of the Royal Family.   That of course should include a "value for money" assessment with costings for alternatives.

The analysis /assessment would have to be carries out by the worlds best at "this sort of thing" and they would have to be non-UK based and seen as neutral.

The UK will of course always get visitors and I doubt many tourists come to JUST see the Royal Family.  

 

Without a proper assessment we will never actually know how many visitors are attracted more to the UK, because Royalty is included - rather than other countries (like Ireland or France).  Would be valuable to know how much visitors particularly valued the "Royalty" part of their trip.

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

53 minutes ago, lost in space said:

 

 

I do think that there should be a review of the Royal Family.   That of course should include a "value for money" assessment with costings for alternatives.

The analysis /assessment would have to be carries out by the worlds best at "this sort of thing" and they would have to be non-UK based and seen as neutral.

The UK will of course always get visitors and I doubt many tourists come to JUST see the Royal Family.  

 

Without a proper assessment we will never actually know how many visitors are attracted more to the UK, because Royalty is included - rather than other countries (like Ireland or France).  Would be valuable to know how much visitors particularly valued the "Royalty" part of their trip.

 

 

 

I just think it’s a ridiculous institution in this day and age ! Kings ? Queens 🫅 ( ok 😂) princess and princes ? lol 

[AyrJambo]

6 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I just think it’s a ridiculous institution in this day and age ! Kings ? Queens 🫅 ( ok 😂) princess and princes ? lol 

 

I for one would be happy with Judy Queen of Scots

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

I for one would be happy with Judy Queen of Scots

Well that’s nice 🙂

[lost in space]

36 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I just think it’s a ridiculous institution in this day and age ! Kings ? Queens 🫅 ( ok 😂) princess and princes ? lol 

What about an institution that is set up to organise 22 people running around a park to kick a football into a net - is that not ridiculous in this day and age?

 

Royalty is part of our history and heritage - but their popularity may well be waning.  If the majority want it to go - then it should. 

As the saying goes - be careful what you wish for.......... 

[jack D and coke]

38 minutes ago, lost in space said:

What about an institution that is set up to organise 22 people running around a park to kick a football into a net - is that not ridiculous in this day and age?

 

Royalty is part of our history and heritage - but their popularity may well be waning.  If the majority want it to go - then it should. 

As the saying goes - be careful what you wish for.......... 

What? WHAT???  

You have no choice but to suffer these

nonces vs a game that inspires billions around the globe and gives us all something to do voluntarily? Voluntarily as in if we don’t support it, it dies vs something that is rammed down your throat and paid for by all us mugs with no say?? 
 

[lost in space]

26 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

What? WHAT???  

You have no choice but to suffer these

nonces vs a game that inspires billions around the globe and gives us all something to do voluntarily? Voluntarily as in if we don’t support it, it dies vs something that is rammed down your throat and paid for by all us mugs with no say?? 
 

Well YOU don't support the Monarchy but millions (probably) do.

It is "rammed down our throat" as you say - or to put in another way, constantly in the media - because the media know of the massive interest.

Not 1 of the main political parties have suggested they go. Not even the Indy parties. Funny that, if Royalty is sooo unpopular, don't you think?

Paid by us - yes. 

Value for money? - debatable. Which is why there should be a review.

[jack D and coke]

20 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Well YOU don't support the Monarchy but millions (probably) do.

It is "rammed down our throat" as you say - or to put in another way, constantly in the media - because the media know of the massive interest.

Not 1 of the main political parties have suggested they go. Not even the Indy parties. Funny that, if Royalty is sooo unpopular, don't you think?

Paid by us - yes. 

Value for money? - debatable. Which is why there should be a review.

There would be no interest imo if they didn’t continually tell you prince william was selling the big issue or serving food in a kitchen or naming a hospitals after them or a bridge etc etc! It’s rammed down your throat it’s good for the country! Having to sing that god awful dirge at every sporting occasion etc about getting a space fairly to save the nonce and people getting upset when you decide you’re just not singing it  

Remember the queen tried to use the poverty fund intended for people who can’t afford to turn their heating on to heat Buckingham parlance then tried to stop it getting out.

Nobody would be trusted to carry out this review if they’re value for money. 
They aren’t imo and they should be a thing of the past. 
2025 and people wearing million pound gold hats all paid for by their plebs…

[Konrad von Carstein]

9 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

There would be no interest imo if they didn’t continually tell you prince william was selling the big issue or serving food in a kitchen or naming a hospitals after them or a bridge etc etc! It’s rammed down your throat it’s good for the country! Having to sing that god awful dirge at every sporting occasion etc about getting a space fairly to save the nonce and people getting upset when you decide you’re just not singing it  

Remember the queen tried to use the poverty fund intended for people who can’t afford to turn their heating on to heat Buckingham parlance then tried to stop it getting out.

Nobody would be trusted to carry out this review if they’re value for money. 
They aren’t imo and they should be a thing of the past. 
2025 and people wearing million pound gold hats all paid for by their plebs…

You'll get splinters in your arse sitting on the fence like that, man up and tell us what you really think!!

 

[lost in space]

7 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

There would be no interest imo if they didn’t continually tell you prince william was selling the big issue or serving food in a kitchen or naming a hospitals after them or a bridge etc etc! It’s rammed down your throat it’s good for the country! Having to sing that god awful dirge at every sporting occasion etc about getting a space fairly to save the nonce and people getting upset when you decide you’re just not singing it  

Remember the queen tried to use the poverty fund intended for people who can’t afford to turn their heating on to heat Buckingham parlance then tried to stop it getting out.

Nobody would be trusted to carry out this review if they’re value for money. 
They aren’t imo and they should be a thing of the past. 
2025 and people wearing million pound gold hats all paid for by their plebs…

So there would be no interest if the media didn't report on it?

So why do they report it then??

And we shouldn't have a review - cos nobody could be trusted. Wow!!

So what do you suggest? A revolution?

[AyrJambo]

3 minutes ago, lost in space said:

So there would be no interest if the media didn't report on it?

So why do they report it then??

And we shouldn't have a review - cos nobody could be trusted. Wow!!

So what do you suggest? A revolution?

 

Execution

Vive la France

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, AyrJambo said:

 

Execution

Vive la France

It happened in Russia and look what happened there after...Stalin. 

 

Just pension them all off. State pension rates ofcourse. They can downsize too. Charles and Camilla a 1 bedroom house. Same with the rest. Flogg the palaces and castles . But ensure they are " listed buildings" and cant be touched. Im not a philistine. 

 

 

[lost in space]

3 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

Execution

Vive la France

Go and eat cake.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, lost in space said:

Go and eat cake.

 

[jack D and coke]

8 minutes ago, lost in space said:

So there would be no interest if the media didn't report on it?

So why do they report it then??

And we shouldn't have a review - cos nobody could be trusted. Wow!!

So what do you suggest? A revolution?

You don’t think the British media report stuff they want to you think is important?
Youre fed shite by the British media. Every country suffers it let’s be honest. 
They royals would be all over Cauceascau styleee if I had my way.