Ked Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Yup, just biding her time. In modern Scotland people more scared of a practising Christian than they are of other religions, particularly Islam. People will trust her. She is honest. And has good core values. She is very respectful to other lifestyles and outlooks. I like her and really hope she gets the leadership. More of her ilk and competency and I think or hope we get the momentum going again. No referendum . General Election SNP stand on a vote for them vote for independence. Westminster could not ignore or refute if we got a landslide and majority vote . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 46 minutes ago, stevie said: The SNP have divided Scotland with their independence at all/any cost policy. Politics in Scotland has been toxic since 2014 Scotland said No,can we now please concentrate on fixing broken Scotland and forget about separatism. I'd have agreed with you several years ago. However, along came Brexit and the English and Welsh pulled us out of the EU against our will. That should have brought independence and separatism back to the fore in an attempt to redress that wrong. If anything, the SNP haven't shouted loudly enough for independence since Brexit and I for one am hoping that will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, Ked said: People will trust her. She is honest. And has good core values. She is very respectful to other lifestyles and outlooks. I like her and really hope she gets the leadership. More of her ilk and competency and I think or hope we get the momentum going again. No referendum . General Election SNP stand on a vote for them vote for independence. Westminster could not ignore or refute if we got a landslide and majority vote . They will do both, taking their lead from the Catalonian situation a wee while back. But it's worth a try, all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 53 minutes ago, stevie said: The SNP have divided Scotland with their independence at all/any cost policy. Politics in Scotland has been toxic since 2014 Scotland said No,can we now please concentrate on fixing broken Scotland and forget about separatism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 20 minutes ago, Gizmo said: Why is it a lie? Because lost in space wants it to be, pure and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, redjambo said: I'd have agreed with you several years ago. However, along came Brexit and the English and Welsh pulled us out of the EU against our will. That should have brought independence and separatism back to the fore in an attempt to redress that wrong. If anything, the SNP haven't shouted loudly enough for independence since Brexit and I for one am hoping that will change. Excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peakybunnet Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 More importantly John Swinney being a Forrester boy, is he a Jambo? 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Getting Swinney in reminds me of whenever Hibs (frequently) get a new manager Emboldens the support, think they'll be world beaters, a new beginning etc etc. Then the reality of bad results will set in and it ends in disaster with everyone falling out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 13 minutes ago, redjambo said: They will do both, taking their lead from the Catalonian situation a wee while back. But it's worth a try, all the same. I think Scotland is in a much stronger position . Legally and democratically. Unilaterally declaring ourselves a state is not illegal. We also have an independence party that has dominated the political scene and despite the recent troubles has a firm grip of 40%. And the keen for Independence hasn't shrunk just got a bit shy. Well that's how I hope it goes policy wise . Aim for the next GE . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 23 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said: Getting Swinney in reminds me of whenever Hibs (frequently) get a new manager Emboldens the support, think they'll be world beaters, a new beginning etc etc. Then the reality of bad results will set in and it ends in disaster with everyone falling out. Its only arranged because The Greens wouldn't work with Forbes and the Scottish Government would have had to call a Holyrood election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Forbes will do a Penny Mordaunt, wait until they lose, then take over as sword wielding matriarchs to put thing right after Labour royally screw it up Forbes wont want to be the one who loses an election on her watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Good choice he will get the party back on an even keel. Wee Kate is onside as well. This parliament will run the full term now and SNP will stuff the Red Tories as usual when the time comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, heartgarfunkel said: Not sure how Ked. I'm absolutely vague on this but I'm now minded that a politically federalist/regional/devolved UK is the best way to meet the needs of the vast majority of the population and protect them from the worst of radge, introspective, disingenous, shan, self-serving, niche governments of inadequate chancers that have plagued the UK and Scotland. No wonder populist reactionary ***** have such media bandwidth. Constitution Sovereignty Salvo Liberation.scot ISP 1 hour ago, Ked said: The argument for independence is still as sound when you wanted it . If people are using the bad governance of the last 3 years as a reason to avoid independence wtf are we doing still in the UK? Correct 56 minutes ago, Ked said: People will trust her. She is honest. And has good core values. She is very respectful to other lifestyles and outlooks. I like her and really hope she gets the leadership. More of her ilk and competency and I think or hope we get the momentum going again. No referendum . General Election SNP stand on a vote for them vote for independence. Westminster could not ignore or refute if we got a landslide and majority vote . Yes they could and they will We need leadership with balls enough to take on the British state Unlawfully since there is no legal route to Scottish independence S30 referendum is dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 16 minutes ago, frankblack said: Its only arranged because The Greens wouldn't work with Forbes and the Scottish Government would have had to call a Holyrood election. Core of SNP support are behind Forbes. The sidelining of the Greens has happened. SNP imo are getting towards where they should be. I've said plenty that Scotland essentially is conservative. That term isn't the English version. It is somewhat but not what it's become. Forbes fits what we like. Good standards. Honesty. Competence. And a genuine caring spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, AyrJambo said: Constitution Sovereignty Salvo Liberation.scot ISP Correct Yes they could and they will We need leadership with balls enough to take on the British state Unlawfully since there is no legal route to Scottish independence S30 referendum is dead Disagree. Legally and with democratic backing Scotland can unilaterally declare itself a state. Now how that is affected by our treaty I'd be lying if I said I knew. But the latest ICJ ruling that it was legal. Anyway I feel the SNP has to capitalise now before passion erodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 11 hours ago, BlueRiver said: 😂 I apologise profusely for my clumsy description of a defensive legend. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) 36 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Constitution Sovereignty Salvo Liberation.scot ISP Correct Yes they could and they will We need leadership with balls enough to take on the British state Unlawfully since there is no legal route to Scottish independence S30 referendum is dead Intrigued to understand what taking on the British state "unlawfully" actually means, in practice. Edited May 2 by Lord Montpelier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 5 hours ago, doctor jambo said: me neither, but the SNP are blowing things massively. The public just dont care about cycle lanes and gender education they want to eat, stay warm, get to work and not worry about money all the time grow the economy dim wits How do they do that without control of the main economic or fiscal levels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 21 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: And it’s obvious why Labour were more successful in government in Scotland . They weren’t distracted by Indy pish . They got on with the day job Did you just leave the school or what? Labour were, are, and always be a shambles. SNP not much better lately mind you but lets not look back on Labours tenure as some sort of Nirvana eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korky Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Lord Montpelier said: Getting Swinney in reminds me of whenever Hibs (frequently) get a new manager Emboldens the support, think they'll be world beaters, a new beginning etc etc. Then the reality of bad results will set in and it ends in disaster with everyone falling out. Getting Swinney back is like Hibs reappointing Pat Fenlon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, lost in space said: Swinney says no deal done with Kate. So starting as FM with a lie. Treating the voters like mugs. Here we go again....... Yep . A deal done . Not exactly transparent . They didn’t want a dirty campaign opening up self inflicted wounds for the general public to hear about . The party of secrecy and lies . Just like it’s always been . 1 hour ago, Lord Montpelier said: Getting Swinney in reminds me of whenever Hibs (frequently) get a new manager Emboldens the support, think they'll be world beaters, a new beginning etc etc. Then the reality of bad results will set in and it ends in disaster with everyone falling out. Good analogy . Hopefully it ends like Hibs always do . With their arses handed to them on a plate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, Korky said: Getting Swinney back is like Hibs reappointing Pat Fenlon. Seriously though, how great would that be 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 10 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Did you just leave the school or what? Labour were, are, and always be a shambles. SNP not much better lately mind you but lets not look back on Labours tenure as some sort of Nirvana eh. Whereas the SNP are a shambles plus they stole grievence resentment division and hatred of those who oppose them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 20 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Did you just leave the school or what? Labour were, are, and always be a shambles. SNP not much better lately mind you but lets not look back on Labours tenure as some sort of Nirvana eh. Labour ran Scotland for more than 70 years and did nothing. Even when they were in control in Westminster too. 12 months under Labour and it'll full screech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Typical NatZ response,Indy at any cost.Empty brained disciples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Ked said: Core of SNP support are behind Forbes. The sidelining of the Greens has happened. SNP imo are getting towards where they should be. I've said plenty that Scotland essentially is conservative. That term isn't the English version. It is somewhat but not what it's become. Forbes fits what we like. Good standards. Honesty. Competence. And a genuine caring spirit. That is only true if they are happy to settle on legislation that the likes of Labour wouldn't object to, i.e. no indie ref votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 46 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: How do they do that without control of the main economic or fiscal levels? They controlled bifab. They controlled the off shore windfarm sell off They controlled prestwick airport they controlled Ferguson marine they banned fracking they set education standards they froze council tax they set income tax rates that have led to 1000 high earners leaving ( approx £150 million down then at least , more when the self employed are taken into account) they prioritised bike lanes over the homeless Now shamelessly avoiding an election because their former rulers allegedly stole all their campaign money, so they couldn’t fight an election if they tried ! Gender > jobs And I don’t care what England do . i don’t live there I demand better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 37 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Whereas the SNP are a shambles plus they stole grievence resentment division and hatred of those who oppose them . What does the SNP being "finished" mean Judes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 5 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: What does the SNP being "finished" mean Judes? You spelt judas wrong I mean Judy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 26 minutes ago, stevie said: Typical NatZ response,Indy at any cost.Empty brained disciples Fair comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 29 minutes ago, stevie said: Typical NatZ response,Indy at any cost.Empty brained disciples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Swinney, should he become SNP leader, needs to mould a cabinet that is broad across the party. Forbes' position suggests this is what will happen. If he's clever, Swinney needs to distance this new admin from the Sturgeon era. Whilst independence will always be on the agenda, the mathematics of parliament should see a better focus on "the day job", for want of a phrase. This should be a chastising and humbling affect on the SNP, interesting to see if they can learn from it. To many Swinney will be seen as continuity, and to an extent he is, but he's also a bridge to a new start. Another point from all of this is that after the next Holyrood elections, the Tories will no longer be the opposition and will presumably have less airtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janbo1874 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 https://robinmcalpine.org/the-snp-is-a-failed-project/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: Labour ran Scotland for more than 70 years and did nothing. Even when they were in control in Westminster too. 12 months under Labour and it'll full screech Labour almost bankrupted Glasgow coonsull fighting to stop women getting an equal wage. And, did Broon not raid the pensions. Then Iraq. And PFI. Labour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, frankblack said: That is only true if they are happy to settle on legislation that the likes of Labour wouldn't object to, i.e. no indie ref votes. Mind you, Labour were on board with the GRA and HCA. Not with the Waspis though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, stevie said: Typical NatZ response,Indy at any cost.Empty brained disciples The insults are flying the night from the separatists , best not to stoop to their level . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: They controlled bifab. They controlled the off shore windfarm sell off They controlled prestwick airport they controlled Ferguson marine they banned fracking they set education standards they froze council tax they set income tax rates that have led to 1000 high earners leaving ( approx £150 million down then at least , more when the self employed are taken into account) they prioritised bike lanes over the homeless Now shamelessly avoiding an election because their former rulers allegedly stole all their campaign money, so they couldn’t fight an election if they tried ! Gender > jobs And I don’t care what England do . i don’t live there I demand better Well said 👍 he’s obsessed with England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 58 minutes ago, Ked said: You spelt judas wrong I mean Judy. Pathetic hatred filled insults regarding people with an opposing view to you . You really know how to win friends and convert them from no to yes !! Not ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 7 minutes ago, Gundermann said: board with the GRA and HCA So we’re you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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i wish jj was my dad Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Offended by everything. Ashamed of nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Whereas the SNP are a shambles plus they stole grievence resentment division and hatred of those who oppose them . 22 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: The insults are flying the night from the separatists , best not to stoop to their level . What insults ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Oh ffs Kirsty Blackman is making a tit of herself on “ question time “ embarrassing that the rest of the UK are being exposed to the dregs of the SNP England we do have some decent politicians , even ones who know how many chromosomes they have ! She even got a tartan blouse thing on ! Oh naw she’s on about guess what ???? Scotland not having their own spending powers , change the record dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 21 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: The insults are flying the night from the separatists , best not to stoop to their level . Judy, sorry to point this out, but all you seem to do on a political level is fling insults and invective. Virtually every single post. It's like you are so obsessed with the SNP that they now live permanently in your head and your Pavlovian reaction to hearing the term "SNP" is to go off on one. I normally wouldn't bother pointing this out because it's so obvious to all and sundry, but that post of yours I've quoted above wins Hypocritical Post of the Year 2024, hands-down, and we're only at the start of May! I had to stop myself from guffawing when I read it. The sheer chutzpah. I can't but admire your audacity, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Oh ffs Kirsty Blackman is making a tit of herself on “ question time “ embarrassing that the rest of the UK are being exposed to the dregs of the SNP England we do have some decent politicians , even ones who know how many chromosomes they have ! She even got a tartan blouse thing on ! Oh naw she’s on about guess what ???? Scotland not having their own spending powers , change the record dear Why don't you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Judy, sorry to point this out, but all you seem to do on a political level is fling insults and invective. Virtually every single post. It's like you are so obsessed with the SNP that they now live permanently in your head and your Pavlovian reaction to hearing the term "SNP" is to go off on one. I normally wouldn't bother pointing this out because it's so obvious to all and sundry, but that post of yours I've quoted above wins Hypocritical Post of the Year 2024, hands-down, and we're only at the start of May! I had to stop myself from guffawing when I read it. The sheer chutzpah. I can't but admire your audacity, to be honest. I’m no one using terms like “ soft lad “ “ screechers “ or calling someone a “Judas “ for changing from a yes to no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Is she still talking about her genitals? No she’s talkin about “ snp successes “ it lasted all of 10 seconds than velvet voice Bruce butted it to clamp her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, redjambo said: Judy, sorry to point this out, but all you seem to do on a political level is fling insults and invective. Virtually every single post. It's like you are so obsessed with the SNP that they now live permanently in your head and your Pavlovian reaction to hearing the term "SNP" is to go off on one. I normally wouldn't bother pointing this out because it's so obvious to all and sundry, but that post of yours I've quoted above wins Hypocritical Post of the Year 2024, hands-down, and we're only at the start of May! I had to stop myself from guffawing when I read it. The sheer chutzpah. I can't but admire your audacity, to be honest. Ps please locate an insult I’ve used . Thanks . And try and read others posts and the insults they use and challenge that as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: I’m no one using terms like “ soft lad “ “ screechers “ or calling someone a “Judas “ for changing from a yes to no Don't worry about it. I'm a Judas too as I've switched from No to Yes. We'll balance each other out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Just now, redjambo said: Don't worry about it. I'm a Judas too as I've switched from No to Yes. We'll balance each other out. I’m not worried about it I just think it’s pathetic 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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