JT1959 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 What I find difficult to undestand is why the initial police investigation, when Clive Goodman went to jail along with "the hacker", didn't uncover all this additional information at the outset. Maybe, Goodman & Mulclaire were the agreeable sacrificial lambs on the back of a limited investigation and all parties satisfied. As with the current "investigations"....... The police investigate the Police The NOTW investigate the NOTW And the government, our government tell us that they are to await the "investigations". Aye that will work. The genie's out the bottle and the "Closure of the NOTW" is a poor attempt to try to get the monster back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (well, until 'The Sunday Sun' relaunch in six-months). And ive noticed on twitter, that www.thesunonsunday.co.uk was registered on the 5th July.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can't believe they are giving up on the NOTW that easily there must be so much that hasnt been uncovered yet for them to try and bury it all by doing this! I think you've nailed it here PH. It's a ploy that worked for Jack Warner and FIFA. News International will sacrifice the NoTW, then when dust settles, bring out a "Sunday Sun", and carry on regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Well the feckin bankers managed it, didn't they? Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 And ive noticed on twitter, that www.thesunonsunday.co.uk was registered on the 5th July.... If that's correct, and I've no reason to doubt you, it just goes to show how cynical and mercenary News International are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 And ive noticed on twitter, that www.thesunonsunday.co.uk was registered on the 5th July.... comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 While celebrating the demise of the NOTW, spare a thought for the 200 innocent workers who'll no doubt lose their jobs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Lord Prescott: Closure of News of the World is a 'management stunt'; 'no doubt it will become the Sunday Sun' He's right - harder to sue News International than the News of the World I'd bet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 The Sunday Sun is already a local paper in Newcastle. http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 If that's correct, and I've no reason to doubt you, it just goes to show how cynical and mercenary News International are. It was on twitter. It may or may not be correct. But I wouldnt put anything past them, especially in their pursuit of full control of Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Gap in the market for a Romanov Sunday Paper now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Lord Prescott: Closure of News of the World is a 'management stunt'; 'no doubt it will become the Sunday Sun' The World Of News will rise from the ashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 While celebrating the demise of the NOTW, spare a thought for the 200 innocent workers who'll no doubt lose their jobs now. Tough Shit. They work for a rag with no morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Good call. Let's put thousands of people out of work for the wrong doing of others Exactly, one of my pals works on the picture desk in Glasgow. Fair enough she might find a job within the company but I would be surprised if they used the closure as a means of cutting costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Tough Shit. They work for a rag with no morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Next stop: The Scum. Feckin' DIE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 And ive noticed on twitter, that www.thesunonsunday.co.uk was registered on the 5th July.... :interesting: Won't be called the Sunday Sun though that's the Sunday paper in the North East, my geordie step dad used to get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmiyaRomanova Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 So what's going to happen to the (potentially) hundreds/thousands of folk who could have a legitimate complaint against NOTW for invasion of privacy etc...? Presumably closing the NOTW company down means that Murdoch stands to save many millions in compensation claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Tough Shit. They work for a rag with no morals. Usually I would say your being harsh but **** them they were happy to take a buck from a shite hole rag who caused hurt and pain to way more than 200 people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Usually I would say your being harsh but **** them they were happy to take a buck from a shite hole rag who caused hurt and pain to way more than 200 people Bingo. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broughies tach Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Well the feckin bankers managed it, didn't they. Well said. So that makes it OK then ya pair of eejits ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 i don't think anyone will ever be able to properly describe just how low the business group and it's senior figures are. even now, in the full force of the storm, there appears to be ever more deviousness being employed in order to twist and turn away from disgusting situation they created. in an ideal world, the government should instigate the most swingeing and far reaching investigation and prosecution against everyone involved, and eventually change the laws to ensure that this kind of abuse an never happen again. sadly the current government is closely aligned to many of those responsible and their action will be greatly curbed as a result, meaning that natural justice will not be seen. it's a pretty depressing prospect when even the government's opposition have to be quite careful about how far they go with their criticism, for fear of what reprisals they can expect to face when an evil corporation eventually escapes virtually scot free. freedom of the press a cornerstone of a healthy democracy? my feckin hairy arse it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Murdoch is doing this to save his deal to buy BSkyB outright. No doubt his pals in the Tory government will say he has done enough by closing the NoTW to allow the takeover of BSkyB to go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Pity 'Have I got news for you' is having one of its rest periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Exactly, one of my pals works on the picture desk in Glasgow. Fair enough she might find a job within the company but I would be surprised if they used the closure as a means of cutting costs. I've no doubt that Murdoch will use this to cut costs (jobs) and that those at the top who sanctioned these behaviours will survive, while those on the shop floor will pay with their jobs. Similar to what happened within the banking sector, those at the bottom end up paying for those at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 It's interesting listening to the journalists on Sky News just coming out with the "it wasn't me Guv" stuff. The guy outside the NOTW office (NOTW journalist or editor) has just told us how all of this is coming out. He explains it's because the Police are reading the entries in the convicted private investigators book that contains all these potential victims names and addresses. I paraphrase what he said. Now the name of the soldier killed in Iraq might be in the book but we don't know if his phone was hacked only that it may have been hacked he says. All that's being reported is his phone may have been hacked. Of course people are wrongly (corrects himself) maybe rightly or wrongly are jumping to the conclusion that it has. So he's saying that facts are being potentially distorted by undue emphasis then? I wonder if he's ever heard the phrase "hoist by my own petard"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Pity 'Have I got news for you' is having one of its rest periods. Too true!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can't help thinking there's a lot more to come out of this yet, and that they're attempting to firefight by closing down the NotW. Or is that just wishful thinking?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychocAndy Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Colin Hart, boxing writer, said that Rebecca Wade told The News of the World workers a while ago that they were re-branding to The Sun on Sunday, or some other name with Sunday and The Sun in it, when he was on talksport earlier the Drive show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can't help thinking there's a lot more to come out of this yet, and that they're attempting to firefight by closing down the NotW. Or is that just wishful thinking?! Unprecedented stuff. Doubt it will end here. The other tabloids (non News International also) have been very quiet and you have to wonder how likely it is the Sun in particular wouldn't have been up to exactly the same thing? They keep saying the NOTW is different today, all this happened 5 years ago. The current NOTW editor is being backed by News International but what was she editor of 5 years ago? The Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Usually I would say your being harsh but **** them they were happy to take a buck from a shite hole rag who caused hurt and pain to way more than 200 people Yup, exactly. If you sup with the devil etc etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can't help thinking there's a lot more to come out of this yet, and that they're attempting to firefight by closing down the NotW. Or is that just wishful thinking?! Tom Watson (Labour MP who raised the 'paying gansters to close down a murder enquiry' line in parliament yesterday) has said on C4 news that there is evidence yet to be published which will show even more invasive means (other than hacking) were used by NOTW which include hacking into peoples PCs to get at private data (I read today that NOTW tried to plant trojans on certain individuals for this purpose). Also i think he said tracking technology was also used. Mulcair has just said on TV that the NOTW paid ?200 a time to spin a number plate - ie to find out who was visiting any given celeb. NOTW paid money to their own journos who were listed as anonymnous informants so that the journos could then pass the paymnents annonymously to the Met. C4 News has just announced that Coulson could be arrested any time soon - looks like Strathclyde polis will be doing him for perjury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can I ask a stupid/naive/ignorant question? I've read a lot of the thread and a few news reports but one thing that never seemed to get answered is WHY the NOTW would WANT to delete texts from their voicemail. I don't quite get what they would gain from deleting texts from (I think) Milly Dowlers phone? Is it to have a big "texts-deleted-she's-still-alive" story? Sorry, but nowhere seems to be exactly clear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Yup, exactly. If you sup with the devil etc etc.... Not every employee of a company will know everything thats happening in other parts of the company. Even then, In this day and age, not everyone has the luxury of being able to walk away from a job, on a point of principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Fatman Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can I ask a stupid/naive/ignorant question? I've read a lot of the thread and a few news reports but one thing that never seemed to get answered is WHY the NOTW would WANT to delete texts from their voicemail. I don't quite get what they would gain from deleting texts from (I think) Milly Dowlers phone? Is it to have a big "texts-deleted-she's-still-alive" story? Sorry, but nowhere seems to be exactly clear about it. They had read the messages that were already there and they wanted to read more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Pity 'Have I got news for you' is having one of its rest periods. Mock the Week being recorded as we speak. Save up your bawbees, though for the next edition of Private Eye (a week next Weds). It will be a stormer. Can I ask a stupid/naive/ignorant question? I've read a lot of the thread and a few news reports but one thing that never seemed to get answered is WHY the NOTW would WANT to delete texts from their voicemail. I don't quite get what they would gain from deleting texts from (I think) Milly Dowlers phone? Is it to have a big "texts-deleted-she's-still-alive" story? Sorry, but nowhere seems to be exactly clear about it. Lots of messages came in and filled up her inbox. So to create capacity for new messages, the journomonkeys deleted some from the inbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba gu Brath Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 First reaction was 'yeah!'. Have to agree with Prescott (a first?) that its just a stunt though. The Sun will continue Dirty Digger's work and probably on a Sunday too sooner or later. Will be good to see Coulson in court though. Rebecca Brooks next if there's any justice. Hope Sheridan gets out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 They had read the messages that were already there and they wanted to read more. Lots of messages came in and filled up her inbox. So to create capacity for new messages, the journomonkeys deleted some from the inbox. What would there be to read apart from typica "come home milly" and "where r u?" texts? Even if someone did send her a text which was interesting, how could they run it as a story without having a source, seen as how they can't just say they hacked their phone. Also, hacking into the phones of dead soldiers who were in Iraq? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 First reaction was 'yeah!'. Have to agree with Prescott (a first?) that its just a stunt though. The Sun will continue Dirty Digger's work and probably on a Sunday too sooner or later. Will be good to see Coulson in court though. Rebecca Brooks next if there's any justice.Hope Sheridan gets out too. Pergnant apparently so she'll be shuffled quietly out the way in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/TheSunOnSunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 What would there be to read apart from typica "come home milly" and "where r u?" texts? I can't pretend to understand the reason for wanting to read any messages but that was the reason given for deleting some. Pergnant apparently so she'll be shuffled quietly out the way in the near future. This was hinted at in the last Private Eye, that she and her husband have been attempting to procreate so that she may "retire" into motherhood with a bumper pay-off rather than get what she deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2011/07/07/23342-sub-editors-at-the-sun-walk-out-in-protest-of-news-of-the-world-closure/ It just gets better for Mr Murdoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 While celebrating the demise of the NOTW, spare a thought for the 200 innocent workers who'll no doubt lose their jobs now. When I moved to Oxford, I was at the same college as Chelsea Clinton. A few months into her course, a journalist friend of a friend emailed me, wanting to know if I had any gossip about her. I refer the 200 workers you mention to the reply I gave to her: Go and get a proper job. (To her credit, she replied agreeing that yes, she should). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 While celebrating the demise of the NOTW, spare a thought for the 200 innocent workers who'll no doubt lose their jobs now. Correct mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 When I moved to Oxford, I was at the same college as Chelsea Clinton. A few months into her course, a journalist friend of a friend emailed me, wanting to know if I had any gossip about her. I refer the 200 workers you mention to the reply I gave to her: Go and get a proper job. (To her credit, she replied agreeing that yes, she should). Oxford, Chelsea Clinton, Journo friends, disregard for the ordinary worker.= Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Oxford, Chelsea Clinton, Journo friends, disregard for the ordinary worker.= Tory. I'm a Lib Dem actually. Oh, I see what you mean now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2011/07/07/23342-sub-editors-at-the-sun-walk-out-in-protest-of-news-of-the-world-closure/ It just gets better for Mr Murdoch I felt the above was appropriate. I really hate that shite Mr Murdoch... Hopefully, Heart of Midlothian FC will drop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Apparently, the Screws paywall has been taken down! The real question now is how far up the chain this stench goes. I don't think The Digger will be implicated but if his son knew.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 As long as the Sun is fine I don't care.Cracking paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 The real question now is how far up the chain this stench goes. I don't think The Digger will be implicated but if his son knew.... Having watched the interview with James Murdoch, one thing struck me the most; he is an accomplished liar. He has clearly been trained on how to lie convincingly, but one being questioned as to whether he knew that his editors knew about the allegations, he had nowhere to turn. If anyone happens to see the interview (from some skyscraper) you can see the little ticks and flashes of anger in his eyes. I suspect he's just as evil as his father. I really, really hope the dirt trail leads to him. I'd regard News Corporation akin to a terrorist cell, albeit without murderous intentions (well, who knows?) - The thing which I find alarming is that so many politicians knew about this but were too weak to raise the issue. Against a newspaper. Who knows who else they'd be scared to speak against? And this is without considering the Omen-esque creep Cameron (and his predecessors) and his relationship with News International. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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