chester copperpot Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Might please some folk. Good or bad? Here's the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7287984.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 In addition to the sheer cringeworthiness of the idea, in practice it would be completely unworkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 A bit late in the day. The youth of the day should be doing this at the age of 5 to get some pride in their country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Busby ! Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 To country ? Fine by me if it's Scotland. To the queen ? Kiss my fecking arse "your majesty" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Feck school leavers. A council tax rebate and public holiday for people who volunteer. Where do I sign up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavsy Van Gaverson Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Just force the sellick fans to do it, just to **** them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makween Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 It'll annoy people on Kickback, so I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavsy Van Gaverson Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 It'll annoy people on Kickback, so I'm all for it. Yes but some will think it is a great thing. I'm assuming the guys with Chelsea avatars will be all for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Cart before the Horse. As soon as we work out what exactly it means to be British, then there may be some point in swearing allegance. Interesting quote from US Muslim convert Shaykh Hamza Yusuf Hanson:- "People have more allegiance to football teams than they have to Great Britain" Sadly, I think he's right. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6723325.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Funnily enough I can't think of anything less British than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 A bit late in the day. The youth of the day should be doing this at the age of 5 to get some pride in their country! why should young people have pride in their country:annoyed:my kids are repectful to people who treat them with respect, repects is earned not given:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 As leginten says, its pretty cringworthy and I doubt many would take it seriously. why should young people have pride in their country:annoyed:my kids are repectful to people who treat them with respect, repects is earned not given:confused: So they treat people with disrespect until they have 'earned' their respect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 nothing more than a pointless empty gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sked21 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Cart before the Horse.As soon as we work out what exactly it means to be British, then there may be some point in swearing allegance. Interesting quote from US Muslim convert Shaykh Hamza Yusuf Hanson:- "People have more allegiance to football teams than they have to Great Britain" Sadly, I think he's right. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6723325.stm Yeah that boy is right. Club before country. I like it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So, on the one hand, the Labour Government have paved the way for the dissolution of "Great Britain" yet on the other hand we're going to have a "Great Britain" day in 2012? They really don't have a ***n clue what they're doing, do they? This is one of the stupidest ideas I've heard in a long time (from anyone over the age of 4, anyway). They'd try to mend the Grand Canyon with a roll of sellotape if left to their own devices. R Souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartscat Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 To country ? Fine by me if it's Scotland. To the queen ? Kiss my fecking arse "your majesty" ! My sentiments exactly. Where do they get these guys that come up with this stuff? it's pathetic. It actually really annoyed me when i heard it on the news; another completely off the mark, insane idea from someone who is so far removed from 'real life' in modern britain, he may as well be living on the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriarty Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 All edinburgh kids should be made to swear allegiance to HMFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 All edinburgh kids should be made to swear allegiance to HMFC. ...annually. And clad head to toe in maroon. Everyone with an EH postcode. Photographs in the News & Scotsman. The whole lot. At last. Someone's talking sense. Clearly not a Labour politician, JTNut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 As leginten says, its pretty cringworthy and I doubt many would take it seriously. So they treat people with disrespect until they have 'earned' their respect? read what is written you mug:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 What a waste of money. Still, they're doing nothing with this except handing votes to the SNP and aiding the envitable break-up of the UK. Nice one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 A bit late in the day. The youth of the day should be doing this at the age of 5 to get some pride in their country! Well said. We should be ensuring that the concept of Britishness is part of their psyche from the time they're old enough to read. Regarding the current proposal, I'd actually go a step further and say that anyone who refused to swear allegiance to Britain and Her Majesty should be put on a central register and monitored by the police and security services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Well said. We should be ensuring that the concept of Britishness is part of their psyche from the time they're old enough to read.Regarding the current proposal, I'd actually go a step further and say that anyone who refused to swear allegiance to Britain and Her Majesty should be put on a central register and monitored by the police and security services. That should Labour/Tory party policy. SNP votes would go through the roof! We'd be independent in no time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 SNP votes would go through the roof! I doubt it. All rational people would see it as a step forward in flushing out the elements that wish to disrupt or destroy our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 The problem is, I dont consider myself British at all. I'm Scottish. Although I can see where Therapist is coming from with his flush out the baddies thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Fatman Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I wouldn't pledge my allegiance to a German aristocrat and a fake political construct. I am both Scottish (by birth) and English (by parentage). I am not British and I never will be. The idea that bribing schoolkids to pledge to anything will make the slightest difference is nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Britain, maybe. Queen can go **** herself. Stupid idea all the same, just one step away from a cringe worthy national anthem at school every day Yank style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I remember in primary school having to recite "my father who fart in heaven ,Daryl be thy name" and from day one it made me an atheist.So i doubt swearing an oath to a rich old woman will make any big change. Just maybe our politicians should try and help make the lives of the peoples on this islandl just a wee bit more equal ,maybe share out the wealth a bit fairer,maybe work to create decent jobs,schools,repair many of our broken down towns and cities. make a real place to have pride in. naah forget that making kids read a worthless statement makes more sense. anyways i swear allegiance to "jack daniels and all who get drunk with her" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 maybe share out the wealth a bit fairer There is already a mechanism in place to redistribute wealth. It's called working hard and trying to better yourself. There are far too many scroungers and whingers in this country, and the government should be encouraging them to contribute to society rather than giving them something for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 There is already a mechanism in place to redistribute wealth. It's called working hard and trying to better yourself. There are far too many scroungers and whingers in this country, and the government should be encouraging them to contribute to society rather than giving them something for nothing. I agree there is too many scroungers, but IMO there is also too many people who are loaded for doing nothing. The scroungers do outweigh this group though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Fatman Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 There is already a mechanism in place to redistribute wealth. It's called working hard and trying to better yourself. There are far too many scroungers and whingers in this country, and the government should be encouraging them to contribute to society rather than giving them something for nothing. The goverment proposing to give kids discounts on college fees and other things just because the recite a pointless sentance that they very likely couldn't give rats about is giving something for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 The goverment proposing to give kids discounts on college fees and other things just because the recite a pointless sentance that they very likely couldn't give rats about is giving something for nothing. I'd remove all government subsidy of further education. It's a student's choice to continue studying and I don't see why the public purse should give them any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I'd remove all government subsidy of further education. It's a student's choice to continue studying and I don't see why the public purse should give them any help. So in less your parents are loaded you won;t go to uni ! Would you like to step back from the 50's ! Without our current educational system we would be trailing the world in terms of resources ! Back to the point about the oath, NO ****ING WAY ! Scots died for the freedom of never having to bow to the queen a long time ago ! Anyone who tries to force this is barking up the wrong tree. Compared to europeans we are one of the most back ward nation. What i mean by this is that fact that we always rant and rave over how good we were in the past ! How we ruled the world ! We are almost like OF fans. we think we have a god given right to be the best in the world and that every other nationailiy is in some way below us. Where as most nations look forward we are stuck in the past. Don't get me long, i love my country, and think it has much to be proud of. I just want us to look to the future, **** rule britinna, god save the queen, and would like to see a way we can admire scotland. I can remember being at primary school and signing caledioan, and etc and i wish we can replace flower of scotland with : Scotland the Brave Download Midi File Barry Taylor Hark where the night is falling hark hear the pipes a calling Loudly and proudly calling down thru the glen There where the hills are sleeping Now feel the blood a leaping High as the spirits of the old highland men Towering in gallant fame Scotland my mountain hame High may your proud standards gloriously wave Land of my high endeavor Land of the shining river Land of my heart forever, Scotland the Brave High in the misty mountains Out by the purple highlands Brave are the hearts that beat beneath Scottish skies Wild are the winds to meet you Staunch are the friends that greet you Kind as the love that shines from fair maidens eyes I have no problem with making kids signing this and being proud of thier nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So in less your parents are loaded you won;t go to uni ! Where did I say that? School leavers - who are adults after all - should decide whether they think going into further education will improve their earning potential. If they do, they should fund it themselves and their payback will come in the future. A further benefit of my suggestion would be that we wouldn't end up funding ridiculous "degrees" like flower arranging and swimming pool filter management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 A further benefit of my suggestion would be that we wouldn't end up funding ridiculous "degrees" like flower arranging and swimming pool filter management. Hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Not interested. The Queen can kiss her corgi's sacks for all I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I suppose its a generational thing but I gained my patriotism by being taught Scottish history and singing Scottish songs at school. I accepted and appreciated my country being part of Great Britain again by being taught about British history and Scotlands part in it at school. On a less official side I read and was thrilled by books on the British army in India, King of the Khyber Pass etc. I thrilled about the adventures, and couldn't wait to get into the army to share them. Wartime again created a sense of pride and belonging. We were for that time one united nation, individual patriotism was a given, and the surge of pride when seeing kilties being honoured after a battle, or hearing the pipes leading the advance at El Alamein, these were the things love of Country were made of to me. At school we started the day with the Lords Prayer, and when the movies finished we sang or stood up for the God Save the King, thats right there was a King in those days. It was even played by the wee brass band before the fitba' game. These days are gone, we can initiate as many forced ways of creating nationalism and patriotism as we want, but political correctness, and a quasi affirmative action has knocked the stuffing out of most of us. Life today is survival of the fittest, and weak politicians. God Save The King, Amen:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Pah, Queen was never the same after Mercury died, though I'm surprised Therapist would be willing to go down on one knee in front of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geddy Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 "There is already a mechanism in place to redistribute wealth. It's called working hard and trying to better yourself. There are far too many scroungers and whingers in this country, and the government should be encouraging them to contribute to society rather than giving them something for nothing"......... Something for nothing= the monarchy! Why should us "subjects" work hard and pay taxes when our "beloved" royal family swan around doing very little and not paying tax? Don't get me started on the government when it comes to laziness and ripping folk of and avoidance of tax paying they take the biscuit! I do not consider myself British. I am Scottish. However in the event of another nutter like Hitler I will happily join with my English/Welsh and Irish counterparts who would fight to stop them. Still doesn't make me "British". I certainly will NOT bow down to the Queen or any of her family. I do not wish death or evil on them but they are in my mind parasites on society worse than the folk who claim dole when they could work but can't be ersed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Why should us "subjects" work hard and pay taxes when our "beloved" royal family swan around .... and not paying tax? In future, I suggest you check facts before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geddy Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 She may pay some tax....however she dodges most of it....for example one report on her wonderful highness... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/may/30/politics.jubilee1 http://www.throneout.com/viewstory.asp?STORY_ID=55 Are you telling me that our wonderful monarchy work hard and pay all their taxes? How many are on the civil list? What real use are they to our society? You have them making speeches about our world and caring for it. Yet travel 20 yards by car....and normally one that spews out lots of emissions. Lazy lazy waste of space. You can bow to them if you want, but don't expect that many intelligent folk to join you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/may/30/politics.jubilee1 http://www.throneout.com/viewstory.asp?STORY_ID=55 The Guardian and Throneout. Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 The Monarchy is a joke, a fascist regime that cost this country billions. It quite frankly disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geddy Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ok, so prove those stories/accounts are not true! You don't like the truth do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 The Monarchy is a joke.....cost this country billions. Would you be good enough to post the evidence that backs up this statement? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Would you be good enough to post the evidence that backs up this statement? Thanks in advance. I think the monarchy costs us about 60p each a day IIRC. compare that with the several thousands of pounds we are jointly liable for Northern Rock now it is in public ownership... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 a bit of a pointless excercise Mr X swears allegiance to crown and country then goes out and bombs the airport do they think that the "baddies" will say "oh no I can't do this - I am a terrorist arrest me now?" they are just words - they mean nothing a lot of people get married and swear undying love, till death us do part etc and split up 18 months later I would however try and ensure that all British citizens speak English thats another story however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinross jambo Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 they can stick their queen and britishness up their Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 This is a fatuous attempt to impose 19th century jingoism onto a 21st century community. It's a weak imitation of an American ritual that's been performed daily by schoolchildren before classes for decades. Do Americans have a better "sense of belonging" than Britons, as a result? This daft idea will never come to fruition. The British people are too smart to fall for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Speaking in my capacity as a "Johnny Foreigner", I suggest that before anyone goes into orbit (or orgasm) at this idea, please keep in mind that it isn't going to happen. The PM's spokesperson described the idea as "interesting". That's No. 10-speak for "who let that nutcase write that report?". There's nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Would you be good enough to post the evidence that backs up this statement? Thanks in advance. Excuse me, millions. The monarchy directly costs around around ?90 million a year, times this by x amount of years. It won't actually be far off billions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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