Nick Griffin On Question Time

[Ron Burgundy]

I assume all the scruffy jobless louts who are gathered outside the BBC headquarters right now frequently protested at Finnsbury Park whilst Captain Hook spouted his hate?

Or do you have to be white to be racist?

[maroonlegions]

The first one is impossible IMO.

 

The second one I agree with.

 

The third one is open to the interpretation of 'safe' but certainly not a racist view.

 

I am actually VERY sorry if I suggested that you vote for them but you do not... I would hate to accuse someone of anything that vile... I am sure even the National Socialists had some policies that made a little sense but that doesn't balance out the genocide.

 

It is the white supremacist side of the party that I hate and it is far more pressing an issue in my eyes than the other policies they may have that are aimed at addressing a situation that needs tackled... There are ways of tackling problems that do not stir up hatred between different ethnic groups in our country.

 

For example I am not very keen for my dark skinned Scottish born girlfriend to be treated like dirt in the country of her birth by unscientific, thicko, thugs who believe that she is inferior and a second class citizen... Especially since her parents and her have paid sh*t loads in taxes and filled jobs that insanely understaffed yet essential like the NHS and our school system.

 

 

 

Well said that man.Yes you are right , i have some friends who are not white and i would protect them with all i could and they i feel would do the ame for me.The BNP and those who support them can dress up and spin all they want on immigration ect but when you really look at their policy's and see the real agendas it is racist and fascist no matter the political and manipulative spins they manifest to the public.

 

Imagine any of these BNP geezers in the positions of some of these immigrants of seeking a safe haven in another country from a abusive dictatorship , i bet they would be the first in line to seek safe havens.Put them in a non white body for a day in a racist situation wirth all the dehumanisation it brings then lets here their crys for white supremacy then.

[maroonlegions]

Bingo!!

 

. That man is cool.

[davemclaren]

People disagree with a publicly funded corporation legitmising an openly racist political party. I'm not sure what is hypocritical about that. I'd feel the same over a pro-peadophilia party.

 

As much as I think N G and the BNP are a vile lot I agree with the BBC approach. They are a legal ( so far ) party and given the votes they have sadly accumulated cannot be ignored. If people feel they should be banned it's up to to the government to do that not the BBC.

[maroonlegions]

Bingo!!

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=935xZdnVwq4

 

 

This great from the late great Bill Hicks.

 

 

Apologies for the N****** WORD IN THE CAPTION ON THE VID BUT COULD NOT REMOVE IT , NO OFFENCE MEANT TO ANYONE OF A NON WHITE ORIGIN.

[cosanostra]

Anyone else think it would be funny if he entered sporting a well trimmed Hitler moustache and demanded that he be addressed as Fuhrer Griffin?

He does look a wee bit Hitler-esque. This would just prove that even right wing, fascist, slimey, little, weasel-faced knobbers have a sense of humour.

[redm]

As much as I think N G and the BNP are a vile lot I agree with the BBC approach. They are a legal ( so far ) party and given the votes they have sadly accumulated cannot be ignored. If people feel they should be banned it's up to to the government to do that not the BBC.

 

I hate the idea of that arsepiece being given a platform to spread his vileness but you're absolutely right. I just hope that the watching audience aren't daft enough to be taken in by his desperate attempts to shroud despicably racist policies in a veneer of respectability.

 

Disgusting man, disgusting party.

 

While we're on the subject:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-bnp-when-you-watch-question-time-tonight-1806874.html

[bighusref]

Only racists or cowards vote for the BNP.

 

The racist part is spot on... Perhaps "Thickos and Racists" would have been a better statement?

 

DJF, not quite.

 

My concern, which Mothy alludes to, is that we have an incredibly unfortunate position in the country today. Many workers have lost their jobs through one reason or another but the larger factor is the "credit crunch". You have guys that are at an age that they would say that they are too old to start again, but they cannot get jobs in their line of work. They are desperate to work and desperate for someone to blame, then all of a sudden Nick Griffin tells him that it is blackies fault. He tells him that if HE was in charge that he would have saved his job, as he is British. Now these people have someone to blame, and I am not sure they are apportioning that blame accurately.

 

You don't have to be racist, a coward or even thick to vote for the BNP, the other possible trait is desperate.

[I P Knightley]

Wood Lane closed.

 

Over a hundred coppers and at least a dozen wagons plus a helicopter hovering above.

 

The protesters look like walking lentils.

[redm]

DJF, not quite.

 

My concern, which Mothy alludes to, is that we have an incredibly unfortunate position in the country today. Many workers have lost their jobs through one reason or another but the larger factor is the "credit crunch". You have guys that are at an age that they would say that they are too old to start again, but they cannot get jobs in their line of work. They are desperate to work and desperate for someone to blame, then all of a sudden Nick Griffin tells him that it is blackies fault. He tells him that if HE was in charge that he would have saved his job, as he is British. Now these people have someone to blame, and I am not sure they are apportioning that blame accurately.

 

You don't have to be racist, a coward or even thick to vote for the BNP, the other possible trait is desperate.

 

The age-group most hit by unemployment in the last year or so is the 16-19 year olds, followed by 25-34 year olds. The older age groups were least affected. Just thought I'd drop that into the convo.

 

As for being desperate for work and desperate for someone to blame...that's fine, I can fully understand why that might happen...but it doesn't necessarily then follow that people completely lose their marbles as a result and develop stupidity. Because that's what you've have to be to believe that 'blackie' got your job.

[maroonlegions]

The age-group most hit by unemployment in the last year or so is the 16-19 year olds, followed by 25-34 year olds. The older age groups were least affected. Just thought I'd drop that into the convo.

 

As for being desperate for work and desperate for someone to blame...that's fine, I can fully understand why that might happen...but it doesn't necessarily then follow that people completely lose their marbles as a result and develop stupidity. Because that's what you've have to be to believe that 'blackie' got your job.

 

Agree, his is just manipulating peoples frustrations at losing their jobs and manipulating their fears that it could be your job next if we do not get rid of them or stop the influx of them.He is just working the frustrations of people to his own agendas.The big danger here is more people falling for this manipulation of someone to blame, hopefully people will reject this and see through this manipulation.

[Craigieboy]

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-bnp-when-you-watch-question-time-tonight-1806874.html

 

And there is the crux of it all.

 

A vile, hideous organisation.

 

It's disappointing that this **** has the opportunity to put on a respectable cloak on prime time TV but lets hope he hangs himself in the process.

 

I'll never forget the pure vile ignorance that came across in the BNP wives programme. Horrible people.

 

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[Gambo]

The protesters do themselves no favours with the 'general' public imo. Everyone of them looks like 'rent a protest' student union hippy types imo.

[The People's Chimp]

First party I checked and would you look at Labour's stance:

 

"Britain has a long tradition of providing a safe haven to those in need. We are proud of this history and we will continue to provide a place of refuge for the oppressed and those legitimately seeking asylum and the security of our care".

 

Yes, those people who are granted asylum are here legally. Britain, as a signatory to the Geneva Convention on the status of Refugees is legally bound to accept those found to be facing a well founded fear of persecution in their own country.

 

Not convinced with all their views but do agree with the folllowing:

 

Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally.

Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British.

Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

 

However I also agree on some views that other parties have. Unfortunatley I am not in a position to start a party on all the views I share.

 

I haven't voted for the BNP but I get the impression you think that I have.

 

If you reject every asylum seeker who passed through a safe country, you will do two things.

 

One, send them back to face persecution in their homeland.

Two, Put ever increasing strain on the poorest countries in the world, who FACT, bear the biggest brunt of accepting refugees.

[Commander Harris]

given that the show is pre-recorded what are the chances that it will be disrupted so much by people within the audience that the program ends up not going ahead?

[Drew Busby !]

Anyone else think it would be funny if he entered sporting a well trimmed Hitler moustache and demanded that he be addressed as Fuhrer Griffin?

He does look a wee bit Hitler-esque. This would just prove that even right wing, fascist, slimey, little, weasel-faced knobbers have a sense of humour.

 

I'm thinking along these lines...

 

[Guest Roop]

In go the riot police...

 

[Drew Busby !]

given that the show is pre-recorded what are the chances that it will be disrupted so much by people within the audience that the program ends up not going ahead?

 

It'll already be in the can. They usually record it an hour before transmission, but today they recorded it at 6PM.

[The Mighty Thor]

It'll already be in the can. They usually record it an hour before transmission, but today they recorded it at 6PM.

 

Apparently it's still being recorded now according to BBC News 24.

 

They just showed the panelists introductions with pantomime boos for Nick Griffin.

[cosanostra]

I'm thinking along these lines...

 

 

Haha.

 

Classic scene.

 

"I hear you're a racist now father....."

[the windae cleaner]

Only racists or cowards vote for the BNP.

 

Peesh !!

talkin out your erse m8

[bighusref]

The age-group most hit by unemployment in the last year or so is the 16-19 year olds, followed by 25-34 year olds. The older age groups were least affected. Just thought I'd drop that into the convo.

 

As for being desperate for work and desperate for someone to blame...that's fine, I can fully understand why that might happen...but it doesn't necessarily then follow that people completely lose their marbles as a result and develop stupidity. Because that's what you've have to be to believe that 'blackie' got your job.

 

I wasn't suggesting that it was only people that age, that was merely a group I picked for the point of discussion.

 

Also, I don't think some would need to lose their marbles, desperation can drive folk to many things. We see desperate people committing robberies as they could not see anything else possible, some turn to prostitution, some swallow condoms full of drugs before flying and some even sell body parts.

 

Desperation can do these things to you.

 

Btw, I am in no way apologising for anybody that joins the BNP, I am just saying that I can see how it starts.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

I hope all the anti-fascist protestors will make the same effort to visit the housing schemes in the likes of Burnley and Oldham where the BNP are garnering votes. It's easy to protest in the 'safety' of the London bubble but how about tackling the wannabe Nazis at the grassroots?

[redm]

I wasn't suggesting that it was only people that age, that was merely a group I picked for the point of discussion.

 

Also, I don't think some would need to lose their marbles, desperation can drive folk to many things. We see desperate people committing robberies as they could not see anything else possible, some turn to prostitution, some swallow condoms full of drugs before flying and some even sell body parts.

 

Desperation can do these things to you.

 

Btw, I am in no way apologising for anybody that joins the BNP, I am just saying that I can see how it starts.

 

I don't know if desperation is a catalyst for this sort of radical change in personal and political philosophy....I think that regardless of what happens to you, you'd probably need to be a) pretty stupid to believe that sort of 'justification' and/or have a pre-existing tendency to sympathise with that sort of thing in the first place.

 

There's a reason why the BNP are popular amongst those who aren't particularly bright, and it's not because they've done a good job of educating and impressing them with their policies. They make suggestions and inferences in public, vicious accusations in private, and these people buy into it without questioning anything about it. Either because they don't have the capacity or intelligence to do so....or because it suits them not to.

 

That's my take on it anyway...

[P-Dizzle]

I hope all the anti-fascist protestors will make the same effort to visit the housing schemes in the likes of Burnley and Oldham where the BNP are garnering votes. It's easy to protest in the 'safety' of the London bubble but how about tackling the wannabe Nazis at the grassroots?

 

I would like it if more people did that by voting in the first place!

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

I would like it if more people did that by voting in the first place!

 

Agree with that as well.

[2NaFish]

Just heard that Harry Hill is at the recording to get footage for his show. TV Burp is always good telly, but when it features a ******-eyed fascist it becomes essential.

[Deevers]

I don't know if desperation is a catalyst for this sort of radical change in personal and political philosophy....I think that regardless of what happens to you, you'd probably need to be a) pretty stupid to believe that sort of 'justification' and/or have a pre-existing tendency to sympathise with that sort of thing in the first place.

 

There's a reason why the BNP are popular amongst those who aren't particularly bright, and it's not because they've done a good job of educating and impressing them with their policies. They make suggestions and inferences in public, vicious accusations in private, and these people buy into it without questioning anything about it. Either because they don't have the capacity or intelligence to do so....or because it suits them not to.

 

That's my take on it anyway...

 

Or maybe it's just that the main stream political parties have failed miserably to address the fears of many working class people living in some of these inner city estates in England. The Labour Party in particular should have a long hard look at it's self and wonder why in the twelve years they've been in power - the supposed party of the working class have allowed the "right" to assert it's self in labours heart land. There are unpalatable truths there for Labour - but also for the other main stream parties - but it's unlikely that any of them will really want to address them properly. That's really why politics is in the mire that it's currently in.

[H.A.N.S]

 

If you reject every asylum seeker who passed through a safe country, you will do two things.

 

One, send them back to face persecution in their homeland.

Two, Put ever increasing strain on the poorest countries in the world, who FACT, bear the biggest brunt of accepting refugees.

 

I couldn't care less about where they are from or what will happen to them or their country as a result of their return.

[redm]

Or maybe it's just that the main stream political parties have failed miserably to address the fears of many working class people living in some of these inner city estates in England. The Labour Party in particular should have a long hard look at it's self and wonder why in the twelve years they've been in power - the supposed party of the working class have allowed the "right" to assert it's self in labours heart land. There are unpalatable truths there for Labour - but also for the other main stream parties - but it's unlikely that any of them will really want to address them properly. That's really why politics is in the mire that it's currently in.

 

It's maybe one of the reasons that some parts of society feel isolated by politics but that issue alone doesn't add credence, respectability or acceptance for the policies pushed by the BNP. Or it shouldn't.

 

People have a choice at the end of the day....if they genuinely consider the BNP to be a viable option in modern society, then I just hope they've considered the consequences of their actions. On their heads be it.

[portobellojambo1]

It'll already be in the can. They usually record it an hour before transmission, but today they recorded it at 6PM.

 

I came in from work around 18:00, and flicked the telly on, with the sound on mute. I then started playing about with the PC, hooking a new modem up to it, and glanced up at the TV to see all these people jostling with police.

 

I thought, at first, it was maybe some sort of protest or something linked to the Royal Mail strike, so turned the sound up to listen. At that point I discovered it was protesters outside the BBC studios.

 

Have to be honest and say I thought it was a bit of an overreaction. I have no time for either Nick Griffin or the BNP, but I started wondering why people are so scared to hear what he has to say on a TV show (a show which I think he is entitled to be invited to appear on). I would have hoped that anyone watching would have enough sense to listen to what he says, and if they think it is bullsh*t they'll blank it out, or at the very least not consider voting for his party. The people have the final say, and if feelings about the BNP are such that people find their views offensive surely the best way of showing that offence is by not voting for them.

 

Trying to run them underground would, I would imagine, be playing into their hands, giving them something to use as a comeback.

 

I remember years ago, during the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland people like Martin McGuinness appeared on Question Time. I disagreed with his every view at that time, but not for one minute did I think stopping him from speaking on a TV show would achieve anything.

[I P Knightley]

Have to be honest and say I thought it was a bit of an overreaction. I have no time for either Nick Griffin or the BNP, but I started wondering why people are so scared to hear what he has to say on a TV show (a show which I think he is entitled to be invited to appear on). I would have hoped that anyone watching would have enough sense to listen to what he says, and if they think it is bullsh*t they'll blank it out, or at the very least not consider voting for his party. The people have the final say, and if feelings about the BNP are such that people find their views offensive surely the best way of showing that offence is by not voting for them.

 

Trying to run them underground would, I would imagine, be playing into their hands, giving them something to use as a comeback.

 

I remember years ago, during the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland people like Martin McGuinness appeared on Question Time. I disagreed with his every view at that time, but not for one minute did I think stopping him from speaking on a TV show would achieve anything.

 

Exactly the view I take on the situation.

 

Again referring back to the Northern Ireland mess, it reminds me of Thatcher's "gag" on Gerry Adams. We could see him and hear his words only not exactly in his accent. She made a bit of a cause celebre of him, drawing unnecessary additional attention to him.

 

No one tonight will change their mind about him or his party. Let's just get on with it with the minimum of fuss.

 

I mentioned earlier that I went past BBC on my way home this evening. Yes, the road is closed and, yes, there is an assembled throng. But the press are going to select a handful of photos to imply a baying mass of shouty rabble rousers. The truth of it was that the crowd was overwhelmingly beige & oatmeal. I cycled slowly through, dinging my bell and they couldn't have been calmer and politer as they passed around the tofu and houmous sandwiches.

[djf]

I couldn't care less about where they are from or what will happen to them or their country as a result of their return.

 

What a sterling example of a human being you are huh.

[Regular John]

On a lighter, satirical note...

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/everyone-hoping-griffin-says-something-about-jews-200910222159/

[djf]

DJF, not quite.

 

My concern, which Mothy alludes to, is that we have an incredibly unfortunate position in the country today. Many workers have lost their jobs through one reason or another but the larger factor is the "credit crunch". You have guys that are at an age that they would say that they are too old to start again, but they cannot get jobs in their line of work. They are desperate to work and desperate for someone to blame, then all of a sudden Nick Griffin tells him that it is blackies fault. He tells him that if HE was in charge that he would have saved his job, as he is British. Now these people have someone to blame, and I am not sure they are apportioning that blame accurately.

 

You don't have to be racist, a coward or even thick to vote for the BNP, the other possible trait is desperate.

 

 

I agree with your points however I take the example you listed - blaming job losses on 'blackies' - as a prime example of cowardice.

[IMA MAROON]

It's maybe one of the reasons that some parts of society feel isolated by politics but that issue alone doesn't add credence, respectability or acceptance for the policies pushed by the BNP. Or it shouldn't.

 

People have a choice at the end of the day....if they genuinely consider the BNP to be a viable option in modern society, then I just hope they've considered the consequences of their actions. On their heads be it.

 

A lot of people feel they are in pretty desperate situations right now, they are struggling. There are no consequences to consider.

 

Foreigner gets the house, foreigner gets the job. What about them? What about their future and the future of their kids?

 

People have these concerns and they feel they are ignored.

[H.A.N.S]

What a sterling example of a human being you are huh.

 

Being sterling doesn't put cash in the bank and a roof over your head.

[Denny Crane]

I couldn't care less about where they are from or what will happen to them or their country as a result of their return.

 

Martin Niem?ller's famous poem is an appropriate response to the above:-

 

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out?because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out?because I was not a socialist;

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out?because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out?because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me?and there was no one left to speak out for me."

[djf]

Being sterling doesn't put cash in the bank and a roof over your head.

 

Got mines.

 

Go take a read of some of the atrocities being committed in the DR of Congo as we sit and type on an online footoball message board and then tell me you don't care what happens to someone sent back to such a country

[Denny Crane]

A lot of people feel they are in pretty desperate situations right now, they are struggling. There are no consequences to consider.

 

Foreigner gets the house, foreigner gets the job. What about them? What about their future and the future of their kids?

 

People have these concerns and they feel they are ignored.

 

Or alternatively, people are not happy with their lot but are too lazy or stupid to take responsibility for their own economic and social well-being and so prefer to take the easy route of pointing the finger of blame at a convenient scapegoat.

[pablo]

If Nick Griffin believes he has a cohesive and persuasive argument I want to hear him articulate it.

 

Let's face it he doesn't and he can't.

 

I want to see his way ridiculed and his manifesto destroyed through reasoned debate.

 

Then I want the established parties to do something to address the alienation that some white working class communities obviously feel.

 

This is far too serious for name calling and student protests.

[H.A.N.S]

Got mines.

 

Go take a read of some of the atrocities being committed in the DR of Congo as we sit and type on an online footoball message board and then tell me you don't care what happens to someone sent back to such a country

 

I could read all night about any country you want to mention and my mind wouldn't change.

 

Last year ?100,000,000 was spent on translators for immigrants and there are 200'000 Scots out of work.

 

You feel free to shed a tear for DR of Congo but I'd say get our house in order before we worry about others'.

[Ulysses]

On a lighter, satirical note...

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/everyone-hoping-griffin-says-something-about-jews-200910222159/

 

Stephen Malley, who travelled overnight from Darlington, said: "Imagine if he claimed that the Archbishop of Canterbury is the real leader of Al Qaeda and that he performs weddings between gay, middle-aged gypsies and four year-old white boys. Wouldn't that be brilliant?"

 

[IMA MAROON]

Or alternatively, people are not happy with their lot but are too lazy or stupid to take responsibility for their own economic and social well-being and so prefer to take the easy route of pointing the finger of blame at a convenient scapegoat.

 

A lot of people that are struggling will not be as clever as yourself. They might also be lazy and they are also scared for their future.

[Ragnar]

What time does it start at? Should be a laugh.

[The Fonz]

Being sterling doesn't put cash in the bank and a roof over your head.

 

No it doesn't, but the wages I recieve from my Pakistani employers do.

[Pauline]

I could read all night about any country you want to mention and my mind wouldn't change.

 

Last year ?100,000,000 was spent on translators for immigrants and there are 200'000 Scots out of work.

 

You feel free to shed a tear for DR of Congo but I'd say get our house in order before we worry about others'.

 

What do you do for those in our house?

[Pauline]

What time does it start at? Should be a laugh.

 

Heid bam seemed to enjoy it.

[H.A.N.S]

What do you do for those in our house?

 

Can you elaborate please? I am no Politician and have no sort of power to do anything for you.

[Pauline]

Can you elaborate please? I am no Politician and have no sort of power to do anything for you.

 

You said sort our house in order first, what do you suggest? vote BNP?