Only a Game Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I think he will give Glen a run in the team as he did with Mole. If Glen is a success and starts banging the goals in, by the time we get back round to playing hibs then maybe he will try another one of the youths in the 1st team. Making 3rd place is the most important thing we have to do. The youths will just have to be patient. He is doing ok with the formation he chooses to play, we are 3rd. I think he's doing quite a bit better than HE thought he might this season. He's doing better than MOST thought he would with last season's squad. I also think he was a bit frustrated by the lack of support he got in January. I dont believe that the Farkas thing was simply an elementary feck up. I believe it was an engineered method of forcing him to carry on with the same squad. There might well be very sound reasons for having done that to him but they (Romanov) darent try it again in the summer or I believe he'll walk. He's taken this squad as far as it will go but thats partly due to how poor the opposition have been as well this season. There are lots of bits missing and the balance of the team/squad is totally wrong IMO. If he doesnt get to fix that and have a squad in place that he actually feels comfortable with, then we wont be any better next season and we could be a hell of a lot worse if one or more of our rivals (for the minor places) really gets their act together. I'm not sure where he stands as regards what type of player he wants to bring in, or if he wants to develop/rely on a few of the youths we have. I'm also not sure how much he'll actually get to do that needs doing. Glen, in particular, and there are others, really has to step up their game between now and the end of the season and do something that keeps them in the eye for next season. He's not being played in an ideal position for him, in fact I'm not really sure what his ideal position is, but he's got to get on with it and burst a gut to show something worth keeping. If he's as average as he has looked to date, then perhaps we'd be as well writing him off, and that applies to numerous players we have on our books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h-e-a-r-t-s Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 McGowan and Templeton are surely ready for some first-team appearances. If Csaba thinks they aren't ready he's wrong. wow, lol. I'm going to go with your opinion of the boys over a guy who's managed at national and european level and who monitors their performances on a daily basis. i think for sure you're ready to step into management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 This multi - position stuff for players It is suspiciously a pre-existing hallmark of the Romanov committee. Most in evidence in the Malofeev era, but also adopted by puppets such as Ivanauskas and Korbochka. I agree with the principle of positional flexibility for players if it is drilled into them from a young age, but once you are longer in the tooth and have played a specialised position for years I disagree with the square peg round hole tactic If I was cynical I would suggest that this multi-positional thing is some sort of committee ploy to add value to a player. Its not something I agree with or like, and I think such decisions are potentially a "together" decision, even if they are not, I still dont like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Snippy comment aside, that is not quite accurate though is it? Hearts have invested heavily into an academy, the rationale for that is so we can supply our own. Pre-academy we would generally replace a sold senior player with a player from the youth team. Often times, fans that go to the first team. In those situations we looked to the next in line and the next in line for Hearts at centre half is McGowan. Instead of giving him the chance (bearing in mind he played twice last season) we are playing anybody and everybody at centre half. That says enough about the lad. He needs to leave as he is either not good enough or not trusted by the coaching regime. Either ways, it doesn't say much about us. It's nice that some are putting the young lad's future before our immediate needs, but I'm just not that kind I suppose. Much as I don't want to see his prospects compromised, it's about what's right for Hearts first and foremost and if the coaches don't think he's ready then that's good enough for me. I have only seen him play a handful of times, they see him every day and therefore I'm more than happy to go with their decision. That's my approach, others may differ. Maybe they just haven't posted on this thread yet, but we're yet to read the opinions of the JKB'ers who do spend time watching the reserves and youths on a weekly basis. If they think the coaches have it wrong, it would be interesting to find out why rather than go with the assumption that they're part of the Academy, they play in the same position and therefore they MUST be ready. I get where you're coming from BH, but I think you're being unrealistically rigid about how things should be...rather than focusing on what they actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 This multi - position stuff for players It is suspiciously a pre-existing hallmark of the Romanov committee. Most in evidence in the Malofeev era, but also adopted by puppets such as Ivanauskas and Korbochka. I agree with the principle of positional flexibility for players if it is drilled into them from a young age, but once you are longer in the tooth and have played a specialised position for years I disagree with the square peg round hole tactic If I was cynical I would suggest that this multi-positional thing is some sort of committee ploy to add value to a player. Its not something I agree with or like, and I think such decisions are potentially a "together" decision, even if they are not, I still dont like it It's a tried and tested methodology in countires where the football isn't generally regarded as a hot potato. In italy for example, Paulo Maldini could regularly be seen playing up front in training and quite comfortably holding his own. He has also been deployed at left midfield and central defence in matches of significance. Most notably against Liverpool in the European cup final, he played at centre back alongside Nesta. His position however would be regarded as left back, doesn't mean he and other can't be played out of position to in some cases great effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 It's a tried and tested methodology in countires where the football isn't generally regarded as a hot potato. In italy for example, Paulo Maldini could regularly be seen playing up front in training and quite comfortably holding his own. He has also been deployed at left midfield and central defence in matches of significance. Most notably against Liverpool in the European cup final, he played at centre back alongside Nesta. His position however would be regarded as left back, doesn't mean he and other can't be played out of position to in some cases great effect. This may be the case You are talking about world class players. I am talking about journeymen SPL players. Such players struggle to master their own position nevermind any other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 This may be the case You are talking about world class players. I am talking about journeymen SPL players. Such players struggle to master their own position nevermind any other I know, that was really my point. If football was coached in this country to allow the players to actually enjoy possession and play with an assured confidence from an early age it may be less noticable when a player steps into an unfamilliar position. The age old adage of 'If in doubt, kick it out' surely isn't heard at grass roots level in Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werwolf Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 McGowan and Templeton are surely ready for some first-team appearances. If Csaba thinks they aren't ready he's wrong. Not having a go here but how often have you actually seen these guys play. I haven't seen them so I can't give an informed opinion either way but a lot of posters seem to think this player or that player is "ready" for the first team based on what they've heard from other sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Not having a go here but how often have you actually seen these guys play.I haven't seen them so I can't give an informed opinion either way but a lot of posters seem to think this player or that player is "ready" for the first team based on what they've heard from other sources. I have not seen these guys play so this is only an opinion. IF they are good enough to hold on to, surely must be better to blood them than play players out of position. IMHO Neilson in his correct place could help look after the young player/s rather than playing in the wrong place. The youngsters must be doing enough in training to be kept on the books, or they would have been emptied in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 It's nice that some are putting the young lad's future before our immediate needs, but I'm just not that kind I suppose. Much as I don't want to see his prospects compromised, it's about what's right for Hearts first and foremost and if the coaches don't think he's ready then that's good enough for me. I have only seen him play a handful of times, they see him every day and therefore I'm more than happy to go with their decision. That's my approach, others may differ. Maybe they just haven't posted on this thread yet, but we're yet to read the opinions of the JKB'ers who do spend time watching the reserves and youths on a weekly basis. If they think the coaches have it wrong, it would be interesting to find out why rather than go with the assumption that they're part of the Academy, they play in the same position and therefore they MUST be ready. I get where you're coming from BH, but I think you're being unrealistically rigid about how things should be...rather than focusing on what they actually are. Immediate needs? Our immediate needs are on the park I am afraid. How does it help our immediate needs to remove players from consideration? I feel it is a huge mistake to fail to promote these youngsters, they could not only save us money but longer term make money. That is what Hearts should be doing right now. Unfortunately, we lost one that wanted to play first team football, I hope that does not happen to us again. As for the last bit, McGowan was ready last season though wasn't he? Came in and played for us a couple of times. IIRC the reports from that game had McGowan as one of our better players. Of course though, he may not be as ready now as he was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Gus McPherson had 4 strikers on the pitch in Hamilton, Mehmet, Dargo and Wyness - as well as their no 10 player Dorman. He was going all out to get an equaliser. Did we ever have more than 1 striker on the pitch when we were sliding miserably out of the Cup? Says a lot about Laszlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 As I see it overprotecting a young player can be just as damaging to his career (confidence, motivation etc) as overplaying a young player Particularly when you play people out of position when short of players. First it was average unworthy Kaunas players preventing young players being promoted to the team, now it is stubborness and inflexibility from somebody within the committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 As I see it overprotecting a young player can be just as damaging to his career (confidence, motivation etc) as overplaying a young player Particularly when you play people out of position when short of players. First it was average unworthy Kaunas players preventing young players being promoted to the team, now it is stubborness and inflexibility from somebody within the committee. I agree with your first point about unworthy Kaunas players, however I think that it is unfair to suggest that Csaba has been dictated to in his selection of players this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I agree with your first point about unworthy Kaunas players, however I think that it is unfair to suggest that Csaba has been dictated to in his selection of players this season. No - it may be Csaba that is stubborn and inflexible He hasnt shown much flexibility to date so far this season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 No - it may be Csaba that is stubborn and inflexible He hasnt shown much flexibility to date so far this season.... Fair play mate, however, we are in a much better position than last season. It's funny, but I think the whole RRevolution caused such an increase in fans expectations that we now find ourselves in third and don't think that is good enough. Levein's teams where rubbish to watch. Yet he is held as some kind of managerial god. Csaba is working under the very same constraints and is constantly castigated for his inept tactical skills and his inherent lack of flexibility. Don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Fair play mate, however, we are in a much better position than last season. It's funny, but I think the whole RRevolution caused such an increase in fans expectations that we now find ourselves in third and don't think that is good enough. Levein's teams where rubbish to watch. Yet he is held as some kind of managerial god. Csaba is working under the very same constraints and is constantly castigated for his inept tactical skills and his inherent lack of flexibility. Don't get it. No I agree that we are better. And on balance Csaba has done more good than bad But his rigid inflexibility with this gash formation is annoying. Not only from the start of every game but also no matter what happens during a game. And this over cautious approach when going one goal ahead is costing us. In my opinion were Csaba a bit more flexible with his formations we'd be a good 5 or 6 points better off As I see it we are losing the initiative in some games because of him and its unnecessary. A more positive formation (lets face it the negative formation has hardly made us water tight) even with the same mediocre players would see us a lot more solid in 3rd. And to be honest, I think Levein would be doing better with this group of players than Csaba. And to be honest I think Jeffries would be doing better too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_74 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 No I agree that we are better. And on balance Csaba has done more good than bad But his rigid inflexibility with this gash formation is annoying. Not only from the start of every game but also no matter what happens during a game. And this over cautious approach when going one goal ahead is costing us. In my opinion were Csaba a bit more flexible with his formations we'd be a good 5 or 6 points better off As I see it we are losing the initiative in some games because of him and its unnecessary. A more positive formation (lets face it the negative formation has hardly made us water tight) even with the same mediocre players would see us a lot more solid in 3rd. And to be honest, I think Levein would be doing better with this group of players than Csaba. And to be honest I think Jeffries would be doing better too. It's hard to compare like for like. Different managers, different eras. I do get frustrated though that we seem to be unable to kill off games. Though sometimes there is only so much the manager can do, and once across the white line and all that... I for one would have brought Elliot on when Kingston was injuired, controversial, maybe, but at least we may have had the odd pop at goal. Miko's chance springs to mind, if that had been Elliot, I think it would have at least been on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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