Chad Sexington Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Sorry if this has been posted before, I couldn't see it anywhere. http://www.tribalfootball.com/?q=node/200594 McDonald wants Hearts loan exit 15.09.08 | tribalfootball.com Hearts goalkeeper Jamie McDonald wants a loan move away after being dropped following their defeat to Rangers. MacDonald said: "It's been a strange start to the season. "I expected to be on the bench but all of a sudden I was starting against Rangers. I played well but the next weekend I was out again, which was disappointing. I did well enough to merit keeping my place. "I didn't expect to be undisputed No.1 but hoped the gaffer could give me a wee run of games as a trial period. If he felt I wasn't ready after that I'd have found the situation more acceptable. "I felt let down that I didn't get the chance to play in another couple of games. The manager put Marian (Kello) in against St Mirren and says I'm in his mind for the future. "But I need to play. My loan spell last year was good and allowed me to play in big games like the Scottish Cup Final. "If there's a chance to go out on loan, and the gaffer agrees, that would be better for me. "Then I can come back and show the manager I'm ready to play for Hearts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 In here as well: http://sport.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Hearts39-MacDonald-tries-to-calm.4468019.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 In here as well: http://sport.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Hearts39-MacDonald-tries-to-calm.4468019.jp I must have missed that when it was published. We'd definitely be as well letting him go out on loan. He wont get much action at Hearts this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Positive attitude from a guy who wants to play. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Exactly what I said at the time. All footballers want is a fair crack of the whip. He did nothing wrong to be dropped at Ibrox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Seeger Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Thats fair enough from him. Going out on loan would help his development because i can't see him playing many games here this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I hope he gets his loan move as sitting on the bench won't do anything for his game and tbh he's not been given much of a chance to prove his worth here has he?. Hope it doesn't put him in Vlads bad book though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 It is faintly ludicrous to try to judge goalkeepers on the pre match warm ups - but at Falkirk MacDonald looked like a goalkeeper whereas at Hamilton Balogh got near little and guddled what he did get near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Exactly what I said at the time. All footballers want is a fair crack of the whip. He did nothing wrong to be dropped at Ibrox. Its interesting that Kello was deemed to need a chance to prove himself after MacDonald had 1 game, but Banogh has not been deemed worthy of getting a chance to prove himself - even though he is only here for 6 months initially. If we needed to see how Kello performed after a keeper had done quite well in a game, why havent we needed to see how Banogh can perform, even though Kello has done OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Players get dropped after "doing nothing wrong" all the time. If there is a better option available. So far no reason to believe that is not what happened. McDonald himself didn't expect to be first choice. Why should "doing nothing wrong" in one game change that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Players get dropped after "doing nothing wrong" all the time. If there is a better option available. So far no reason to believe that is not what happened. McDonald himself didn't expect to be first choice. Why should "doing nothing wrong" in one game change that? Because if you do nothing wrong and get dropped anyway, you end up with unhappy ad demotivated footballers. Jamie McDonald being the curret example. If you want to get the best out of players, players need to know that how they perform makes a difference. That doing well will be rewarded, and that doing poorly will get you dropped. Without that, well we've witnessed the effects over the past couple of years..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Sorry but i havent seen anything from Kello to merit him being infront of McDonald, both have done well but for me McDonald has more promise and to me is the better option. If he leaves on loan this season it will be the last we will ever see of him cause he is not a number two, especially not behind Kello. Funny that the "lets see how they do" attitude has been thrown out the window now that we have a Kaunas star in goals!! A bit like how all the young boys have been told to wait there turn and earn there place but number 16 gets a game what a week after arriving from Kaunas!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Players get dropped after "doing nothing wrong" all the time. If there is a better option available. So far no reason to believe that is not what happened. McDonald himself didn't expect to be first choice. Why should "doing nothing wrong" in one game change that? So why, if the basis for Kello getting a game was that we needed to see him in action, has he not been dropped after "doing nothing wrong" to see if Banogh is the better option? Dont we need to see him in action? Why did it stop at the Kaunas guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Should be fined a couple of weeks wages for speaking out in the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Should be fined a couple of weeks wages for speaking out in the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Should be fined a couple of weeks wages for speaking out in the press. That is soooo 5 seasons ago He should be prevented from playing for any of the Hearts teams until his contract runs out..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 Should be fined a couple of weeks wages for speaking out in the press. He's killing the club more every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertson9 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 It must be disheartening for someone his age and ability to be dropped after one game, Especially as he done nothing wrong and looked solid for Queens last season. Would have loved to see him get a run of games this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I like Kello - he commands his box which is something we have not had for a long time and is distribution is good - he likes to get the ball to the fullbacks early. As for Jamie Mac - I thought he deserved his chance and played well enough at Ibrox - he should have been given an extended run. He didn't but I am happy with keeper we have though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 He's killing the club more every day. Thing is... This should have been kept indoors IMO. As much as he no doubt has a point, speaking so open in the press is not going to do him any favours. A sign of inexperience from a young player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Thing is... This should have been kept indoors IMO. As much as he no doubt has a point, speaking so open in the press is not going to do him any favours. A sign of inexperience from a young player. I think it's just what footballers do when they feel hard done by. They speak out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 That sort of thing annoys me. Why is he telling the press? Is he touting himself? Pfft. I'm impressed that he wants to play and by all accounts, he seems to have the makings of a decent keeper but he's in no way, shape or form the finished article. If he sticks around for a while to take the chances when they come then fine, but he can't do that if he's not here. I know he's young and impatient...he just wants to play...but if he wants to play at SPL level then he has to 'play the game' and bide his time, just like everyone else. He doesn't need to go blabbing to the press about things that, at this point, should only be conversations between him and Csaba Laszlo. More practice and professionalism, less gabbing to journalists Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 It must be disheartening for someone his age and ability to be dropped after one game, Especially as he done nothing wrong and looked solid for Queens last season. Would have loved to see him get a run of games this season Yes, but he'd better get used to it because until he's good enough to make the no.1 jersey his own, that's exactly how life is going to be. It's disheartening, but it was made clear at the time that Csaba was looking at his goalkeeping options and that there were others in the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 That sort of thing annoys me. Why is he telling the press? Is he touting himself? Pfft. I'm impressed that he wants to play and by all accounts, he seems to have the makings of a decent keeper but he's in no way, shape or form the finished article. If he sticks around for a while to take the chances when they come then fine, but he can't do that if he's not here. I know he's young and impatient...he just wants to play...but if he wants to play at SPL level then he has to 'play the game' and bide his time, just like everyone else. He doesn't need to go blabbing to the press about things that, at this point, should only be conversations between him and Csaba Laszlo. More practice and professionalism, less gabbing to journalists Jamie. Thank you. I do feel for him btw- but there are ways of going about things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Sorry but i havent seen anything from Kello to merit him being infront of McDonald, both have done well but for me McDonald has more promise and to me is the better option. If he leaves on loan this season it will be the last we will ever see of him cause he is not a number two, especially not behind Kello. Funny that the "lets see how they do" attitude has been thrown out the window now that we have a Kaunas star in goals!! A bit like how all the young boys have been told to wait there turn and earn there place but number 16 gets a game what a week after arriving from Kaunas!! Some wont ever see it that way unfortunately. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Thank you. I do feel for him btw- but there are ways of going about things. Oh yeah, definitely. Like you say, it's just a sign of inexperience. I don't like that he's speaking with the press about these things, but I do understand why he's doing it. I'm pleased he's keen but there are other ways to demonstrate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 Thing is... This should have been kept indoors IMO. As much as he no doubt has a point, speaking so open in the press is not going to do him any favours. A sign of inexperience from a young player. It wouldn't surprise me if he's been a bit led on slightly by the journo. He's young and impatient and probably thought/was led to believe, this could be his season. From Scottish Cup finalist to Hearts 3rd choice keeper in the space of a couple of months is probably a sore one for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 It wouldn't surprise me if he's been a bit led on slightly by the journo. He's young and impatient and probably thought/was led to believe, this could be his season. From Scottish Cup finalist to Hearts 3rd choice keeper in the space of a couple of months is probably a sore one for him. Taken from today's EEN... "I will talk with Jamie about this because nobody spoke to me about this problem," he said. "I can't say anything about it until I speak privately with Jamie. "I heard about what he told the newspapers so I want to clear the situation up. Jamie is a good goalkeeper and we need his services. You never know what can happen in the future and in every team you need three good goalkeepers." Silly silly boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 Taken from today's EEN... "I will talk with Jamie about this because nobody spoke to me about this problem," he said. "I can't say anything about it until I speak privately with Jamie. "I heard about what he told the newspapers so I want to clear the situation up. Jamie is a good goalkeeper and we need his services. You never know what can happen in the future and in every team you need three good goalkeepers." Silly silly boy. Someone's about to be Csaba'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Someone's about to be Csaba'd. Like you say, a journalist will know how to get something out of a young player who is maybe not so media clued up as others. "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING JIMMY!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighalders Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 This is what happens when an owner brings in players from his other clubs. No Kello, no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Taken from today's EEN... "I will talk with Jamie about this because nobody spoke to me about this problem," he said. "I can't say anything about it until I speak privately with Jamie. "I heard about what he told the newspapers so I want to clear the situation up. Jamie is a good goalkeeper and we need his services. You never know what can happen in the future and in every team you need three good goalkeepers." Silly silly boy. Oh dear. Hope Csaba goes easy on him. Lesson learned methinks, Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I think we should just ignore Jamies valid complaint, and all say how great Csaba is again. Isn't Csaba just the greatest? I wish I could have his babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Taken from today's EEN... "I will talk with Jamie about this because nobody spoke to me about this problem," he said. "I can't say anything about it until I speak privately with Jamie. "I heard about what he told the newspapers so I want to clear the situation up. Jamie is a good goalkeeper and we need his services. You never know what can happen in the future and in every team you need three good goalkeepers." Silly silly boy. I guess I'm the only one who thinks that perhaps Csaba could've thought about that BEFORE dropping Jamie for no reason, which was always likely to make Jamie feel unwanted and unappreciated and like he's not getting a fair crack of the whip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighalders Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I guess I'm the only one who thinks that perhaps Csaba could've thought about that BEFORE dropping Jamie for no reason, which was always likely to make Jamie feel unwanted and unappreciated and like he's not getting a fair crack of the whip. Did Csaba drop him or did Vlad say - "Csaba play Kello in goals from now on" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I guess I'm the only one who thinks that perhaps Csaba could've thought about that BEFORE dropping Jamie for no reason, which was always likely to make Jamie feel unwanted and unappreciated and like he's not getting a fair crack of the whip. He's young, he's lacking in first team experience and Csaba had made it clear at the time that there were others in contention. If Jamie can't handle that, maybe he's in the wrong profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Good to see him wanting to stay and fight for his place then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 He's young, he's lacking in first team experience and Csaba had made it clear at the time that there were others in contention. If Jamie can't handle that, maybe he's in the wrong profession. You're entitled to your opinion, but you'll be surprised to hear I disagree. IMO, all footballers ever want is fairness and clarity. Work hard, get your chance. Take your chance, stay in the team. Blow your chance, get dropped. Not adhering to that causes poor morale and demotivates those who feel they are not getting a fair chance. I think Jamie is just reacting the way any footballer does when they feel they are being unfairly treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 It is faintly ludicrous to try to judge goalkeepers on the pre match warm ups - but at Falkirk MacDonald looked like a goalkeeper whereas at Hamilton Balogh got near little and guddled what he did get near. Would agree with that, Coco. He looked a really classy keeper in his warm-up stint but Kello also looks the part and I think he'll stay as our first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I think we should just ignore Jamies valid complaint, and all say how great Csaba is again. Isn't Csaba just the greatest? I wish I could have his babies. How good Csaba is or isnt, its not the issue JR. A player has spoken out in the press without discussing things with the manager first. Rather silly thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 It is faintly ludicrous to try to judge goalkeepers on the pre match warm ups - but at Falkirk MacDonald looked like a goalkeeper whereas at Hamilton Balogh got near little and guddled what he did get near. Watch yourself Coco. After watching Kurskis warm up at Ibrox a couple of years back, I said he didn't look like a keeper and struggled to catch anything. I got absolutely slated on here.......can't judge a player in a warm up etc etc etc...........fast forward a year, Kurskis plays at Ibrox, and the rest is history...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 You're entitled to your opinion, but you'll be surprised to hear I disagree. IMO, all footballers ever want is fairness and clarity. Work hard, get your chance. Take your chance, stay in the team. Blow your chance, get dropped. I think Jamie is just reacting the way any footballer does when they feel they are being unfairly treated. Who says he has been unfairly treated? He hasn't even spoken about this stuff with Csaba directly...isn't that a little unfair too? Isn't there a need to be a little more even handed with the criticism in this scenario? You think Csaba might not have made this decision unaided, but you know that Jamie has acted with a lack of professionalism. He was given a chance and for whatever reason, Csaba prefers to play someone else. That's his prerogative, it's his job and he's paid to make these decisions. Whether you agree with them or not is a different matter. But I quite agree with the rest of the statement, I hope he does work hard and get his chance. He can't do that if he's not here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Who says he has been unfairly treated? Jamie. He hasn't even spoken about this stuff with Csaba directly...isn't that a little unfair too? Depends WHY they haven't spoken directly. Has the opportunity been there, or not. To me, the conversation should've taken place when Csaba decided to drop him. I'd be surprised if that conversation did't take place. Csaba should've explained why, and ensured that Jamie accepted that. It would appear that the last part at least (Jamie accepting Csabas reasoning why he was dropped) didn't happen. Isn't there a need to be a little more even handed with the criticism in this scenario? You think Csaba might not have made this decision unaided, but you know that Jamie has acted with a lack of professionalism. He was given a chance and for whatever reason, Csaba prefers to play someone else. That's his prerogative, it's his job and he's paid to make these decisions. Whether you agree with them or not is a different matter. He's also paid to get the best out of the SQUAD, which includes ensuring as many as possible in the squad are happy and motivated. For me, if a player gets a chance, and takes it, he should stay in the team. Failure to do that results in players feeling like Jamie feels, regardless of whether or not you feel they should air these feelings in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Jamie. Something he might have been better off saying directly to the manager, no? Depends WHY they haven't spoken directly. Has the opportunity been there' date=' or not. To me, the conversation should've taken place when Csaba decided to drop him. I'd be surprised if that conversation did't take place. Csaba should've explained why, and ensured that Jamie accepted that. It would appear that the last part at least (Jamie accepting Csabas reasoning why he was dropped) didn't happen. He's also paid to get the best out of the SQUAD, which includes ensuring as many as possible in the squad are happy and motivated. For me, if a player gets a chance, and takes it, he should stay in the team. Failure to do that results in players feeling like Jamie feels, regardless of whether or not you feel they should air these feelings in public.[/quote'] Now you're just guessing at things and really, we have no idea what has and hasn't been said in that respect. All we do know is that Jamie hasn't told Csaba he wasn't happy about it - he told the press. That's the issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 You're entitled to your opinion, but you'll be surprised to hear I disagree. IMO, all footballers ever want is fairness and clarity. Work hard, get your chance. Take your chance, stay in the team. Blow your chance, get dropped. Not adhering to that causes poor morale and demotivates those who feel they are not getting a fair chance. I think Jamie is just reacting the way any footballer does when they feel they are being unfairly treated. 2 seasons ago when Craig Gordon was left out the team Steve Banks got his chance for 5 or 6 games and conceded only 1 goal ... but there was a big stushie until CG got his place back and you advocated playing our strongest team which included Gordon despite Banks having done little or nothing wrong....if Kello is the best option and makes the team stronger then should he be first pick to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Something he might have been better off saying directly to the manager, no? I don't believe for a second that this has reached the papers without any indication being given to Csaba. If you believe that, fair enough. Now you're just guessing at things and really, we have no idea what has and hasn't been said in that respect. All we do know is that Jamie hasn't told Csaba he wasn't happy about it - he told the press. That's the issue here. You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I think the issue, once again, is player X from Hearts being dropped to make way for player Y from Kaunus, resulting in player X feeling confused (as to what is expected of him) unhappy (at being dropped) and demotivated (as he doesn't feel that working hard will get him anywhere). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 2 seasons ago when Craig Gordon was left out the team Steve Banks got his chance for 5 or 6 games and conceded only 1 goal ... but there was a big stushie until CG got his place back and you advocated playing our strongest team which included Gordon despite Banks having done little or nothing wrong....if Kello is the best option and makes the team stronger then should he be first pick to play? You are not seriously trying to justify Craig Gordon, the best goalkeeper in Britain vindictively being left out of the team to 'rest'? Surely not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 2 seasons ago when Craig Gordon was left out the team Steve Banks got his chance for 5 or 6 games and conceded only 1 goal ... but there was a big stushie until CG got his place back and you advocated playing our strongest team which included Gordon despite Banks having done little or nothing wrong....if Kello is the best option and makes the team stronger then should he be first pick to play? In the long term, yes. But as far as dropping JM after Ibrox, no, that shouldn't have happeed. The difference between dropping Banks for Gordon and dropping McDonald for Kello, was that he had proven his qualities in the Hearts first team over a long period of time. Kello had only just arrived and had proven nothing. He should've had to wait his turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 You are not seriously trying to justify Craig Gordon, the best goalkeeper in Britain vindictively being left out of the team to 'rest'? Surely not? No I just wanted to know if JR still believes we should pick the strongest team or if players who take their chance should retain their place even if there is a stronger option available? - but he's answered that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walton1983 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 How good Csaba is or isnt, its not the issue JR. A player has spoken out in the press without discussing things with the manager first. Rather silly thing to do. The guy has answered a few questions honestly and without malce and yet he is being savaged on his own teams messageboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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