Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 2 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Conner Sammon Conner sammon - are you having a laugh or something? I don't get the joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 3 minutes ago, RobbofordGHC said: Yes mate, right behind the goal amid the supporters abusing Shankland as well as racial abuse towards Dhanda OK mate thanks 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, Hearts1975 said: Conner sammon - are you having a laugh or something? I don't get the joke Sorry I thought you said you couldn’t remember the last time a Hearts player was abused by fans 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, Thomaso said: I don’t support another Club and don’t watch other Clubs play, I’m also not a member of another Clubs fan forum - so how could I possibly answer that question? What I am saying is when have you ever heard of it happening ? I couldn't give a rats arse what happens at other clubs either but folk are human beings - you generally find trends if things are right or not Look, let's just leave it - I have nothing against you. Your entitled to your opinion and if your opinion is that it's merited and deserving who am I to argue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 hour ago, heartgarfunkel said: Absolutely. Thank you for being a rational human being with perspective and empathy. Your post albeit for a short time has restored my faith in human nature. I really despair about some of the cringeworthy stuff I have read on here. We were all desperate for him to score the penalty but some of the reaction to the miss has been beyond the pale . Whatever he does next I wish him nothing but the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 As with every player we've ever had, he'd do better with support from the fans than abuse. It isn't his fault we've got no other options up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 3 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: No I wasn't mate. I live in NZ. If I was back in the UK I very well might have been I don't know what that has to do with anything. Massive respect for the support and the numbers we took there and I 100% get with the money being spent and folk going home and away through thick and thin, there is frustration and disappointment Don't get me wrong about the above. I see all that. But the player doesn't play himself - he is being instructed by someone else yet he is being blamed for being on the pitch when he shouldn't be on the bloody pitch That's my point and the abuse just isn't on. I'm f...... if I'm going to conform with the majority point of view (by the looks of things) just because it is the majority I didn’t ask you that question! It was to another poster - calm down pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Just now, Thomaso said: Sorry I thought you said you couldn’t remember the last time a Hearts player was abused by fans 🤷♂️ I said a player who had gave the club a lot Like CG said the other night takes 58 goals and divide it by 3 gives you X Not that he should have bothered - just chuck him to the wolves instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, Thomaso said: I didn’t ask you that question! It was to another poster - calm down pal. Sorry. I thought it was me. Typing too fast .. my mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerja Jambo Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 If Shankland couldn't care less and was just going through the motions as some are suggesting, then he could not be bothered getting into the positions he has time and again only to miss these chances. Why would he bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 4 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: I f...... know that. But players lose the plot and lose confidence. Multiple instances of it happening elsewhere But you don't see the support shouting abuse at them when it happens Question - give me one similar instance of this happening at another club and given the player was being lauded as a hero at one point Disclaimer: don't think about it too hard Think your missing the point whilst I agree the abuse is hard to take, Shankland has brought this on himself, 30+ goals last season 1 till now refused to sign a new contract, Fans have backed this club to the hilt right now Shankland isn’t giving value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 6 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: What I am saying is when have you ever heard of it happening ? I couldn't give a rats arse what happens at other clubs either but folk are human beings - you generally find trends if things are right or not Look, let's just leave it - I have nothing against you. Your entitled to your opinion and if your opinion is that it's merited and deserving who am I to argue Fair enough HHGH 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 12 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: I f...... know that. But players lose the plot and lose confidence. Multiple instances of it happening elsewhere But you don't see the support shouting abuse at them when it happens Question - give me one similar instance of this happening at another club and given the player was being lauded as a hero at one point Disclaimer: don't think about it too hard John Souter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Louis Valois Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 He is still a Hearts player and deserves our support, If he fancies a move elsewhere then fair enough. I don't think his desire to move is the reason his form has dropped, he looks frustrated and shattered of confidence. Fans forget that players rarely feel as passionate about their team as they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Just now, jamborich said: Think your missing the point whilst I agree the abuse is hard to take, Shankland has brought this on himself, 30+ goals last season 1 till now refused to sign a new contract, Fans have backed this club to the hilt right now Shankland isn’t giving value for money. Mate. With all due respect to you I think you are completely missing the point I watched a recent interview with shankland. He said he thought half the problem was last season he doesn't think he will ever have a season like he did, ever again.. in his career. So let's not benchmark that. It was a one off most likely So it's right to abuse him because he has lost his way, isn't giving value for money and hasn't signed a new contract yet That's the reasons yet you also say it's hard to take. I'm sure you will get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 3 minutes ago, Kidd’s Boots said: John Souter Yup. I'll give you that. Didn't agree with that one either in all honesty but I could see the sting when he didn't come out and clearly state specifically what his intentions were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 8 minutes ago, Nerja Jambo said: If Shankland couldn't care less and was just going through the motions as some are suggesting, then he could not be bothered getting into the positions he has time and again only to miss these chances. Why would he bother. Your wasting your time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival King Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Maybe Shankland will score a hat-trick on Sunday just to spite the folk that have been hammering him for the past 24 hours. Imagine the seethe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, Hearts1975 said: Yup. I'll give you that. Didn't agree with that one either in all honesty but I could see the sting when he didn't come out and clearly state specifically what his intentions were. Was backed to the hilt by the fans and the Club through tough times when things weren’t going well for him only to run down a contract, go for free and not repay the faith and investment….. sound familiar, seen the movie too many times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 19 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: I f...... know that. But players lose the plot and lose confidence. Multiple instances of it happening elsewhere But you don't see the support shouting abuse at them when it happens Question - give me one similar instance of this happening at another club and given the player was being lauded as a hero at one point Disclaimer: don't think about it too hard Rangers fans every time they lose a game. There’s a video of them abusing the players after the Dundee Utd draw last week. There’s a video of some boy giving the whole team dogs abuse - particularly Taviner - after the defeat to Celtic. He was standing about 3 feet away from them when they were leaving Ibrox. I think you’re living in a sugar coated footballing world if you think that players, at every level and every club, don’t get abuse at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, siegementality said: Rangers fans every time they lose a game. There’s a video of them abusing the players after the Dundee Utd draw last week. There’s a video of some boy giving the whole team dogs abuse - particularly Taviner - after the defeat to Celtic. He was standing about 3 feet away from them when they were leaving Ibrox. I think you’re living in a sugar coated footballing world if you think that players, at every level and every club, don’t get abuse at some point. Think he’s pished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 11 minutes ago, Kidd’s Boots said: John Souter Souttar wasn't abused for going off form. He was playing the best he'd ever played for us which made his going to Rangers and announcing it harder to take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Just now, Kidd’s Boots said: Was backed to the hilt by the fans and the Club through tough times when things weren’t going well for him only to run down a contract, go for free and not repay the faith and investment….. sound familiar, seen the movie too many times Let's just clarify something and I'm not saying for one minute what you are saying, isn't going to happen But he hasn't went for free yet ... What he actually said was there is no contract on the table as it stands, he is fine with it, the club are done with it and everyone is focussed on the position we find ourselves in. That may be revisited down the line but for now, focus is on I proving the teams position That isn't saying he is going for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) 4 minutes ago, siegementality said: Rangers fans every time they lose a game. There’s a video of them abusing the players after the Dundee Utd draw last week. There’s a video of some boy giving the whole team dogs abuse - particularly Taviner - after the defeat to Celtic. He was standing about 3 feet away from them when they were leaving Ibrox. I think you’re living in a sugar coated footballing world if you think that players, at every level and every club, don’t get abuse at some point. You have just made my point and glad you said what you said. They were ALL copping it from the fans. Every single player. Collective abuse. Where else was there a GTF chant against anyone else but shanks and who was it against It's the fact he is being singled out and as much as his form is a major problem for us right now the whole team is the problem, not just him Edited November 29 by Hearts1975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 2 minutes ago, jamborich said: Think he’s pished Or missed his last few anger management sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 2 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: You have just made my point and glad you said what you said. They were ALL copping it from the fans. Every single player. Collective abuse. Where else was there a GTF chant against anyone else but shanks and who was it against It's the fact he is being singled out and as much as his form is a major problem for us right now the whole team is the problem, not just him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Everyone supports him ffs. But when you start laying off the ball in the six yard box and blasting penalties over the bar from the spot you are going to get absolute pelters. Imo, he's injured. His brain is hurt, broken and needs time away from the game, let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 5 minutes ago, jamborich said: Think he’s pished Nah. I'm no pished. Maybe I should get pished and see if it makes any sense Maybe I'll no bother and trust my instinct as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, siegementality said: So if it's good enough for the poison that's the OF, its good enough for us Spend our life saying we want nothing to do with them but when the narrative suits, just become like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 2 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: So if it's good enough for the poison that's the OF, its good enough for us Spend our life saying we want nothing to do with them but when the narrative suits, just become like them You are having a mare mate….stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Just now, Hearts1975 said: So if it's good enough for the poison that's the OF, its good enough for us Spend our life saying we want nothing to do with them but when the narrative suits, just become like them You are the one changing the narrative. You asked of another example of a player being abused, I gave you one, but as it dilutes your argument you aren’t happy. Don’t ask for examples if you’re going to take the pet when given them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 The sentiment of the OP is 100% correct Shankland wants to score goals and he’s not doing so. He should still be dropped but the pile on doesn’t help anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Just now, jamborich said: You are having a mare mate….stop Stop ... Why? Because it isn't popular opinion. Because it isn't your opinion. I'm supposed to watch a bunch of heathen animals shout abuse at their own. The collective poison of Scotland and when that's the comparison made to me and the reason for some of our lot doing it, it's supposed to justify it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Just now, Hearts1975 said: Stop ... Why? Because it isn't popular opinion. Because it isn't your opinion. I'm supposed to watch a bunch of heathen animals shout abuse at their own. The collective poison of Scotland and when that's the comparison made to me and the reason for some of our lot doing it, it's supposed to justify it Listen to Frank and calm the feck down before you have an aneurysm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 2 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: Stop ... Why? Because it isn't popular opinion. Because it isn't your opinion. I'm supposed to watch a bunch of heathen animals shout abuse at their own. The collective poison of Scotland and when that's the comparison made to me and the reason for some of our lot doing it, it's supposed to justify it Heathen animals .. Hearts fans expressing an opinion you have lost the plot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Not condoning the abuse in any way but Shankland himself took a huge gamble not signing a new contract. He’s now a completely out of form 29 year old striker who has no club come the summer (as it stands) whatever he thought or his agent thought he was worth before the summer has gone. The pressure on him at the moment must be huge and it’s showing more and more in his performances. He’s been in football long enough to know when you don’t do what the fans want they can easily turn against you. I wonder if he regrets turning down the contract now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_1874 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 He needs taken out of the side for his benefit and for the benefit of the team. It's clear as day for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Just now, jamborich said: Heathen animals .. Hearts fans expressing an opinion you have lost the plot It's you that's having a mare mate Read the f...... thing The heathen animals are the OF fans in the video clip shouting abuse that the poster posted - not the hearts fans FFS So do read the posts properly before you jump to conclusions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 6 minutes ago, siegementality said: Listen to Frank and calm the feck down before you have an aneurysm. I don't have any desire to be arguing with anyone on here. I don't normally do it either. It isn't intentional but I just feel strongly about this particular issue and that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 13 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: Let's just clarify something and I'm not saying for one minute what you are saying, isn't going to happen But he hasn't went for free yet ... What he actually said was there is no contract on the table as it stands, he is fine with it, the club are done with it and everyone is focussed on the position we find ourselves in. That may be revisited down the line but for now, focus is on I proving the teams position That isn't saying he is going for free. No club offered money for Shankland after 2 stellar years at Hearts following an anonymous spell in Belgium. No club will offer money for Shankland with 6 months left on a contract he walks away from in the summer. McKinley, the club’s CEO said there is no contract on the table, Shankland reiterated this. He is currently in the shop window either for a fee or for free and his price tag has a thick red line through it every time the ref blows the whistle currently. Our current position only improves with leadership for Critchley sitting Shankland on the bench for a few games because he doesn’t cope under the pressure of a poor run of form. When we brought him over from Belgium his career was going nowhere. He applied himself for the past 2 years in the hope of a dream final move, I hope he gets it for Christmas and we can all move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 3 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: It's you that's having a mare mate Read the f...... thing The heathen animals are the OF fans in the video clip shouting abuse that the poster posted - not the hearts fans FFS So do read the posts properly before you jump to conclusions So what would you call our fans giving Shankland abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Just now, Kidd’s Boots said: No club offered money for Shankland after 2 stellar years at Hearts following an anonymous spell in Belgium. No club will offer money for Shankland with 6 months left on a contract he walks away from in the summer. McKinley, the club’s CEO said there is no contract on the table, Shankland reiterated this. He is currently in the shop window either for a fee or for free and his price tag has a thick red line through it every time the ref blows the whistle currently. Our current position only improves with leadership for Critchley sitting Shankland on the bench for a few games because he doesn’t cope under the pressure of a poor run of form. When we brought him over from Belgium his career was going nowhere. He applied himself for the past 2 years in the hope of a dream final move, I hope he gets it for Christmas and we can all move on. He is playing himself out of a big payday, week by week by week. Like you said. But accusations of him downing tools - must be a Muppet for making that decision as the only ones that will suffer will be him and his family He needs pulled from the side pronto and this needs resolved pronto - that part I am entirely in agreement with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, jamborich said: So what would you call our fans giving Shankland abuse I would say I thought we were better than that - that's it. In a nutshell Like if I was to abuse our own fans then I'm no better than the fans that are abusing shankland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNic Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Support a guy that wants to leave the club? Absolutely ****ing no chance. This guy is supposed to be the captain of our football club and throws a strop when things aren't going his away. Exactly the same attitude and situation as Dundee Utd, Ayr etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, Hearts1975 said: I don't have any desire to be arguing with anyone on here. I don't normally do it either. It isn't intentional but I just feel strongly about this particular issue and that's it. I think you’ve lost sight of the fact that emotion in football is everything. Some fans feel betrayed and are lashing out in the only way they feel they can. The club means more to them than any player, particularly one that doesn’t look like he wants to be here. I am not condoning it, but in the same breath I can understand it. You are allowed to do both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 37 minutes ago, Percival King said: Maybe Shankland will score a hat-trick on Sunday just to spite the folk that have been hammering him for the past 24 hours. Imagine the seethe. Seeth?? Every Hearts fan will be delighted and relieved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 The last time shankland was “dropped” was before the Celtic game where he came on and scored a hat trick right ? Been wondering that for a few days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 3 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: He is playing himself out of a big payday, week by week by week. Like you said. But accusations of him downing tools - must be a Muppet for making that decision as the only ones that will suffer will be him and his family He needs pulled from the side pronto and this needs resolved pronto - that part I am entirely in agreement with He can be pulled aside starting this Sunday at 3pm and take as much time as he needs to resolve it 31 minutes ago, Diego10 said: Souttar wasn't abused for going off form. He was playing the best he'd ever played for us which made his going to Rangers and announcing it harder to You’re right, I think it was for being a snake or was that Pressley, my memory isn’t quite what it was… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, siegementality said: I think you’ve lost sight of the fact that emotion in football is everything. Some fans feel betrayed and are lashing out in the only way they feel they can. The club means more to them than any player, particularly one that doesn’t look like he wants to be here. I am not condoning it, but in the same breath I can understand it. You are allowed to do both. I'm not daft. I see that part and I get it. But I would have thought the abuse would be centred at the management for playing the guy. Not the player himself. I'm also a big believer when it comes to the club you treat people in terms of what they have given back. Right now it's not happening at all for him but given what he has given us, it's hard to take seeing it get to this point I'm more angry right now at the manager not getting his stiff finger out his arse, waking up, seeing what's going on and getting LS pulled out of the firing line pronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 minute ago, Hearts1975 said: I'm not daft. I see that part and I get it. But I would have thought the abuse would be centred at the management for playing the guy. Not the player himself. I'm also a big believer when it comes to the club you treat people in terms of what they have given back. Right now it's not happening at all for him but given what he has given us, it's hard to take seeing it get to this point I'm more angry right now at the manager not getting his stiff finger out his arse, waking up, seeing what's going on and getting LS pulled out of the firing line pronto. I do think you’ve touched on a big issue here. If an employee isn’t performing then you need to look at their boss after a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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