HopeDiouf Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Kidd’s Boots said: Professional footballers understand the need to perform and deliver, and when you have had support and opportunity to play through bad spells without any real success, they also understand that the next step is the bench. Some of the support don’t understand this which is troubling.. And some don't seem to realise we ain't got anything on the bench either, or the manager would've been trying that option already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Supporting a player who rejected our highest paid contract for a while to wag his Willy at rangers? It’s a big NAW from me. He’s had enough support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithian Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 2 hours ago, Roman1874 said: We should be giving the guy support rather than pelters. He’s still a hearts player and although the fans have already been patient with him he needs support from us more now than ever. I’ll give him a polite clap Sunday and will remember his highs fondly, but if he isn’t moved in January it’ll be tough to remember the good times if form doesn’t improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Just now, HopeDiouf said: And some don't seem to realise we ain't got anything on the bench either, or the manager would've been trying that option already. And yet the manager has already stated he is assessing the right option in the system for an option off the bench, which unfortunately wasn’t available to him last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeDiouf Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Just now, Kidd’s Boots said: And yet the manager has already stated he is assessing the right option in the system for an option off the bench, which unfortunately wasn’t available to him last night for an option of the bench. which is kinda the point. If we had another option to start, Shanks would've been rested already and the alternate would've started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 4 minutes ago, HopeDiouf said: for an option of the bench. which is kinda the point. If we had another option to start, Shanks would've been rested already and the alternate would've started. Option off the bench for a starting position was his comments, how that sets up in the current system is his dilemma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival King Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 4 minutes ago, Smithian said: I’ll give him a polite clap Sunday and will remember his highs fondly, but if he isn’t moved in January it’ll be tough to remember the good times if form doesn’t improve. That's a shame, I'll find it easy to remember the good times and the dozens of goals he scored for us. I'm lucky in that I tend to remember Robbo's, Colquhoun's, Skacel's, Adam's, Neil McCann's, even Husref Musemic's etc etc etc good times rather than when they were crap, anonymous or maybe even wanting to leave the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiSkacelsLeftPeg Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 The guy does not want to be here anymore. Enough is enough. There is not one player on this planet bigger than the famous Heart of Midlothian 🇱🇻🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I get the disappointment about his penalty miss and I never heard any chanting against him. Absolutely ridiculous if there has been. My gripe was that he took it, he’s obviously low in confidence and missing it was only going to give himself more grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I'd be very surprised if Critchley isn't asking for this situation to be concluded in December. His job could depend on it. Shankland cannot be a regular starter through until the end of the season unless we're braced for real pain. Same goes for Vargas. Already feels like we've endured a full season of misery before we've reached December. It's turgid shite and both need consigned to history at earliest opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidigits Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 hours ago, Yoda said: Doesn't want to be here so hopefully he get his dream move to Ibrox in January and we get in a striker that remembers how to score goals. Keep missing the target and he'll be nowhere near Ibrox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I think Shankland has let everything get to his head. * He has been convinced that a club wants him and will pay him much more than he is getting at Hearts. * He is frustrated that club will not pay what Hearts want as a straightforward transfer. * He believes that club will make a bid in January, or he can run down the Hearts contract. Looking a points two and three, there appears little other explanation for rejecting the new contract Hearts offered. In addition: * The callousness of his treatment by the Scotland national team manager has sapped his confidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 hours ago, Fake Persona said: I think the child-like and naive ones are those who think a low-confidence, wantaway, unprofessional joke of a "captain" who can't even respect the average Joes who travel to Europe to pay his fat wages and applaud them like the rest of the team will suddenly and randomly start to be amazing again. Just my opinion. you guys love to label and call names here eh? Would you do that in person? Don't answer that we all know you are keyboard hard men. Well said mate! 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 hour ago, henry said: I get the disappointment about his penalty miss and I never heard any chanting against him. Absolutely ridiculous if there has been. My gripe was that he took it, he’s obviously low in confidence and missing it was only going to give himself more grief. That shocker of a penalty was the straw that broke the camels back! After watching his awful performances this season missing chances after chance in every game, making it clear he is not staying at Hearts and his piss poor demeanour, many fans have just had enough! 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 12 minutes ago, King Of The Cat Cafe said: I think Shankland has let everything get to his head. * He has been convinced that a club wants him and will pay him much more than he is getting at Hearts. * He is frustrated that club will not pay what Hearts want as a straightforward transfer. * He believes that club will make a bid in January, or he can run down the Hearts contract. Looking a points two and three, there appears little other explanation for rejecting the new contract Hearts offered. In addition: * The callousness of his treatment by the Scotland national team manager has sapped his confidence Mark Donaldson saying on the scarves around the funnel podcast that he knows there is a bit of disappointment from Shankland/his agent that a deal wasn’t reached with hearts. How well informed he is, I don’t know. But without doubt for all the club took a few pelters for not getting him signed up, they’ve come out of it all looking like they done the right thing not going too over the top with the wages offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1953 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I'll give him all the support that l can for as long as he plays for us. Having said that I don't think he should be playing on Sunday. How long can we go on just hoping that he'll start scoring again. It's gone on long enough and blazing that penalty over the bar was the final straw for me. He needs benched I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 hours ago, kelosom said: In my lifetime I can’t recall any player that has had such a drop in performance from one season to the next, yes players have hit a bad patch but never as long and to this extent. Can anyone else remember any? Nope. It's an astonishing transformation tbh. Absolutely baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julienbrellier Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Anyone who was at the Cercle match will have seen him storm off the pitch at the end and literally give up. He’s a passenger and if that’s his attitude the sooner he moves on the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiSkacelsLeftPeg Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 21 minutes ago, julienbrellier said: Anyone who was at the Cercle match will have seen him storm off the pitch at the end and literally give up. He’s a passenger and if that’s his attitude the sooner he moves on the better Exactly. Can’t have that from a captain. Could you imagine Roy Keane, John Terry or Kompany doing that? Le Judge certainly wouldn’t have done that 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_razors_edge Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 17 minutes ago, julienbrellier said: Anyone who was at the Cercle match will have seen him storm off the pitch at the end and literally give up. He’s a passenger and if that’s his attitude the sooner he moves on the better Yep he had a proper hissy fit as he scuttled off the park. Said it on another thread but he is becoming to critchley what Pereira was to Stendel. We need to try something different and soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 35 minutes ago, Squirt said: Mark Donaldson saying on the scarves around the funnel podcast that he knows there is a bit of disappointment from Shankland/his agent that a deal wasn’t reached with hearts. How well informed he is, I don’t know. But without doubt for all the club took a few pelters for not getting him signed up, they’ve come out of it all looking like they done the right thing not going too over the top with the wages offered. Have I read this right, they are disappointed a new contract with Hearts couldn’t be agreed? Is that a new feeling as I got the impression at the time he was looking for a move and we were miles apart. I might have picked that up wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwd1957 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 33 minutes ago, Squirt said: Mark Donaldson saying on the scarves around the funnel podcast that he knows there is a bit of disappointment from Shankland/his agent that a deal wasn’t reached with hearts. How well informed he is, I don’t know. But without doubt for all the club took a few pelters for not getting him signed up, they’ve come out of it all looking like they done the right thing not going too over the top with the wages offered. Shankland won't be going to Rangers ,he's too old for their sell on plans , I think if Hearts went back to him with a contract he may well bite their hand off as he's heading down a path with very few options as things stand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19/05/2012 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 14 minutes ago, gwd1957 said: Shankland won't be going to Rangers ,he's too old for their sell on plans , I think if Hearts went back to him with a contract he may well bite their hand off as he's heading down a path with very few options as things stand . I think he has already agreed a deal with Rangers it’s well known they get into agents early and tell them not to sign contracts with clubs and what Rangers will pay him. Just watch interview with Greg Stewart on open goal to get idea what they are like. There is no way Shankland would risk turning down the money we offered unless he had something in the pipeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db211833 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 He has loads of patience. He needs a period on the bench. But what should not happen is fans chanting for him to GTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfragg13 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Anyone who is not committed to the team should not be a hearts captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Shankland has run his race at Hearts. We’ve undoubtedly had his best seasons out of him. Best for all concerned if he moves on asap. If Rangers want him I don’t think we should be difficult to deal with. His current wage can go toward someone who actually wants to be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 5 hours ago, mact said: If he scores a hat trick against Hibs all these kids on here will be singing his name What’s the chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I’ve no doubt Shankland goes out every game trying his best, the problem I have is he really bothered, he hasn’t signed a new deal which suggests he has something else. What he done last season was fantastic but now it’s time to move on give Wilson or Musa their chance, surely can’t be any worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartgarfunkel Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 6 hours ago, Roman1874 said: We should be giving the guy support rather than pelters. He’s still a hearts player and although the fans have already been patient with him he needs support from us more now than ever. Absolutely. Thank you for being a rational human being with perspective and empathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbofordGHC Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 2 hours ago, julienbrellier said: Anyone who was at the Cercle match will have seen him storm off the pitch at the end and literally give up. He’s a passenger and if that’s his attitude the sooner he moves on the better He did storm off the pitch, but only after being the first to come to the crowd applauding the fans to be met with boos and Shankland GTF. His performances have been shockingly poor but 60 goals in two seasons should possibly earn him slightly more respect than that, not his fault we have nobody else to turn to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andi33 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 6 hours ago, Victorian said: Tough times come with the not insignificant pay awards. If you end up a poor wee petal from a bit of stick then you were never captain material. Nailed it big time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 5 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said: Supporting a player who rejected our highest paid contract for a while to wag his Willy at rangers? It’s a big NAW from me. He’s had enough support Harsh but many are riding that train now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 7 hours ago, OTT said: Frustration boiling over. He’s running his contact down and not performing. Fans seeing a player that thinks he’s better than us delivering Connor Sammon level performances. No wonder folk are losing it tbh. Wtf He's running his contract down ... That's his choice. Making out it's a cardinal sin when it happens absolutely everywhere Not performing - thinks he's better than us - better than what ? Who says ... You? So the whole squad including the manager says he is completely devastated but we have to believe some comment on a message board and take that as gospel F........ sickening what's happening .... I don't agree with not taking him out the side but that's the MANAGERS job, not his. He will play, if he is asked to play - he is an absolute shadow of himself but it's a conspiracy because he has been tapped up by the liquidated mob and canny be arsed now So the last 2 years was just a ploy but the minute they came along for him he was always going to down tools The shankland master plan in all its glory, from hero to zero ... Laid out pure and simple Shankland, shankland GTF The amount of self-expectant arse..... we have in our support is absolutely incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 51 minutes ago, RobbofordGHC said: He did storm off the pitch, but only after being the first to come to the crowd applauding the fans to be met with boos and Shankland GTF. His performances have been shockingly poor but 60 goals in two seasons should possibly earn him slightly more respect than that, not his fault we have nobody else to turn to. Not what I was told by my pal at the game. He said Shanks never went any where near the fans at the end. I think his 60 goals have earned him support all season but after 19 odd games of pure rubbish and missed chances I think after that disgrace of a penalty many fans are saying enough is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: Wtf He's running his contract down ... That's his choice. Making out it's a cardinal sin when it happens absolutely everywhere Not performing - thinks he's better than us - better than what ? Who says ... You? So the whole squad including the manager says he is completely devastated but we have to believe some comment on a message board and take that as gospel F........ sickening what's happening .... I don't agree with not taking him out the side but that's the MANAGERS job, not his. He will play, if he is asked to play - he is an absolute shadow of himself but it's a conspiracy because he has been tapped up by the liquidated mob and canny be arsed now So the last 2 years was just a ploy but the minute they came along for him he was always going to down tools The shankland master plan in all its glory, from hero to zero ... Laid out pure and simple Shankland, shankland GTF The amount of self-expectant arse..... we have in our support is absolutely incredible Self expectant??? Surely fans were justified in expecting our main striker to score more that one goal from the golden chances coming his way game after game, and to expect him to at least hit the target from the spot! Or was that asking too much? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Thomaso said: Not what I was told by my pal at the game. He said Shanks never went any where near the fans at the end. I think his 60 goals have earned him support all season but after 19 odd games of pure rubbish and missed chances I think after that disgrace of a penalty many fans are saying enough is enough. So why don't they take their vitriol out on the manager/s (there has been 4 of them) for playing a guy who has massively lost form He can't sub himself. If he is playing shite just abuse him constantly and let him have it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Thomaso said: Self expectant??? Surely fans were justified in expecting our main striker to score more that one goal from the golden chances coming his way game after game, and to expect him to at least hit the target from the spot! Or was that asking too much? 🤷♂️ Difference between disappointment and downright abuse Multiple threads on condoning sections of the support for religious songs and bad behaviour and folk getting their knickers in a knot about it all Not saying the above isn't justified But if we are going to go down the morale high ground there is not one f...... thread to say it's unacceptable to abuse one of our own players when he is only trying to do what's been asked of him on the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbofordGHC Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 7 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Not what I was told by my pal at the game. He said Shanks never went any where near the fans at the end. I think his 60 goals have earned him support all season but after 19 odd games of pure rubbish and missed chances I think after that disgrace of a penalty many fans are saying enough is enough. l don’t disagree with anything you say about his performances or attitude, but he definitely came towards the support applauding until he realised the crowd reaction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: So why don't they take their vitriol out on the manager/s (there has been 4 of them) for playing a guy who has massively lost form He can't sub himself. If he is playing shite just abuse him constantly and let him have it Shankland has not been abused constantly! Inspite of his shit form the fans have backed him. Unfortunately that shocker of a penalty and missing another great chance just after was just too much for fans to take! As for vitriol at the manager if he plays Shankland on Sunday and he misses another chance I’m afraid there will be vitriol from the stands 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 I'm actually shocked I'm reading some of what's being said on here. No faux outrage - genuinely shocked Didn't think I would ever see this - you get a lot of good and interesting debates on here but I just can't believe that anyone would even try and justify that folk are abusing him are only doing it because they have had enough I try and see both sides at times but this one just makes me so angry it's even being debated. I'm trying to remember the last time it happened but struggling - and to a guy that only last year was being heralded for legend status at the club Sickening doesn't even cover it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: Difference between disappointment and downright abuse Multiple threads on condoning sections of the support for religious songs and bad behaviour and folk getting their knickers in a knot about it all Not saying the above isn't justified But if we are going to go down the morale high ground there is not one f...... thread to say it's unacceptable to abuse one of our own players when he is only trying to do what's been asked of him on the park. Trying to do what’s been asked of him on the pitch? Sorry he has been an abject failure all season in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborich Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: Difference between disappointment and downright abuse Multiple threads on condoning sections of the support for religious songs and bad behaviour and folk getting their knickers in a knot about it all Not saying the above isn't justified But if we are going to go down the morale high ground there is not one f...... thread to say it's unacceptable to abuse one of our own players when he is only trying to do what's been asked of him on the park. He’s been asked to score goals do you think he’s playing his part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 4 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Shankland has not been abused constantly! Inspite of his shit form the fans have backed him. Unfortunately that shocker of a penalty and missing another great chance just after was just too much for fans to take! As for vitriol at the manager if he plays Shankland on Sunday and he misses another chance I’m afraid there will be vitriol from the stands 🤷♂️ Of course there will be. I'm no daft. If it happens then it's 100% on critchley. He needs to get him out of there and now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 6 minutes ago, RobbofordGHC said: l don’t disagree with anything you say about his performances or attitude, but he definitely came towards the support applauding until he realised the crowd reaction Genuine question - were you at the game mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Hearts1975 said: Of course there will be. I'm no daft. If it happens then it's 100% on critchley. He needs to get him out of there and now. Agreed 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Thomaso said: Trying to do what’s been asked of him on the pitch? Sorry he has been an abject failure all season in that regard. I f...... know that. But players lose the plot and lose confidence. Multiple instances of it happening elsewhere But you don't see the support shouting abuse at them when it happens Question - give me one similar instance of this happening at another club and given the player was being lauded as a hero at one point Disclaimer: don't think about it too hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbofordGHC Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 Just now, Thomaso said: Genuine question - were you at the game mate? Yes mate, right behind the goal amid the supporters abusing Shankland as well as racial abuse towards Dhanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said: I'm actually shocked I'm reading some of what's being said on here. No faux outrage - genuinely shocked Didn't think I would ever see this - you get a lot of good and interesting debates on here but I just can't believe that anyone would even try and justify that folk are abusing him are only doing it because they have had enough I try and see both sides at times but this one just makes me so angry it's even being debated. I'm trying to remember the last time it happened but struggling - and to a guy that only last year was being heralded for legend status at the club Sickening doesn't even cover it Conner Sammon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Hearts1975 said: I f...... know that. But players lose the plot and lose confidence. Multiple instances of it happening elsewhere But you don't see the support shouting abuse at them when it happens Question - give me one similar instance of this happening at another club and given the player was being lauded as a hero at one point Disclaimer: don't think about it too hard I don’t support another Club and don’t watch other Clubs play, I’m also not a member of another Clubs fan forum - so how could I possibly answer that question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted November 29, 2024 Share Posted November 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Genuine question - were you at the game mate? No I wasn't mate. I live in NZ. If I was back in the UK I very well might have been I don't know what that has to do with anything. Massive respect for the support and the numbers we took there and I 100% get with the money being spent and folk going home and away through thick and thin, there is frustration and disappointment Don't get me wrong about the above. I see all that. But the player doesn't play himself - he is being instructed by someone else yet he is being blamed for being on the pitch when he shouldn't be on the bloody pitch That's my point and the abuse just isn't on. I'm f...... if I'm going to conform with the majority point of view (by the looks of things) just because it is the majority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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