MR INCREDIBLE Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Is it time for a real shake up ! Drop Shankland and play Vargas through the middle. Shankland does not win any high balls anyway and this would force us to keep the ball in the deck and look to use Vargas’s pace to run in behind ! Also Vargas would probably stay up front and wouldn’t keep wandering into midfield! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy head Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas is never going to be good enough. No power, no strength. No composure and I could go on. That's an incredible idea Mr Incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Please no. Maybe for the B team. Vargas offers nothing. I know we offer nothing in general up front at the moment but Shankland and Wilson are quite simply far better options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Just get rid of him he’s utter shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas is running on empty he is a ball of energy but the gas tank is close to hitting empty and last night he wasnt playing main striker we were playing 4231 and him and Forrest kept swapping wings.He played a big part in our goal last night though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Light.. Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas is a way off what we need as a striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 1 minute ago, vegas-voss said: Vargas is running on empty he is a ball of energy but the gas tank is close to hitting empty and last night he wasnt playing main striker we were playing 4231 and him and Forrest kept swapping wings.He played a big part in our goal last night though. He's definitely on fumes, just another example of the ****ing shocking decision to not sign another striker by Naismith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas is hopeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in space Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 10 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Is it time for a real shake up ! Drop Shankland and play Vargas through the middle. Shankland does not win any high balls anyway and this would force us to keep the ball in the deck and look to use Vargas’s pace to run in behind ! Also Vargas would probably stay up front and wouldn’t keep wandering into midfield! Did you go to the game last night. Vargas was involved in the goal - and did almost nothing else. He offers almost NOTHING. He is not quick, or strong or clever or able to read the game. I wouldnt start Wilson yet but at least you can see that he has an eye for a goal. Every shot that Vargas gas is blocked. He is so easy to play against. Nice boots though and his hair is always lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 1 minute ago, boag1874 said: He's definitely on fumes, just another example of the ****ing shocking decision to not sign another striker by Naismith Totally if we had cover you would say take him out the starter line up and use him as a weapon late in games for a bit but nah we don't have that option.Its alright saying put Wilson in but I don't think he is the solution to start games either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Drop Shankland for someone who’s playing equally as bad as him, beside him in the same position 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas has his moments, but he's too easily shoved off the ball. No chance of him wrestling with defenders SPFL style. I'd rather stick Halkett up top, though he'd be blowing out his arse pretty quickly he'd at least get his head on things that Shankland and Vargas are too scared to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas is a terrible finisher. No need to expose him more. Less said about his composure and decision making the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGoodLaugh Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 For all Shankland's woes, Vargas has been worse imo. Doesn't run past players, doesn't beat players in the air, poor composure when finishing, passes not finding their man, pointless flicks and short passes instead of trying to drive forward with purpose. Another who looks like he's forgotten how to play football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Hans Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 3 minutes ago, boag1874 said: He's definitely on fumes, just another example of the ****ing shocking decision to not sign another striker by Naismith God forbid he ever has to play more than 60 minutes in a match. It was only a few seasons ago, you could only make 3 substitutions. If some of these players can't complete 90 mins, there's some serious issues with this squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Just now, vegas-voss said: Totally if we had cover you would say take him out the starter line up and use him as a weapon late in games for a bit but nah we don't have that option.Its alright saying put Wilson in but I don't think he is the solution to start games either. Totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 3 times last night he got caught waiting on the ball which led to attacks from Killy. That's school boy stuff. He can only be playing because our other forward players are too slow, but while Vargas has pace he doesn't use it well very often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Delta Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 I quite like Vargas and think he has potential but needs to work on his composure amongst other key attributes. Definitely not the solution to our goalscoring issues at the moment sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 4 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Drop Shankland for someone who’s playing equally as bad as him, beside him in the same position 😂 Not quite playing as bad, but needing rest badly, not injured, but still really only just over halfway through an apprenticeship Sorry Kenny, best I can do for you, san 🫠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Give Musa a run, if he is hopeless, then at least he got the chance to show he is hopeless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 25 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Is it time for a real shake up ! Drop Shankland and play Vargas through the middle. Shankland does not win any high balls anyway and this would force us to keep the ball in the deck and look to use Vargas’s pace to run in behind ! Also Vargas would probably stay up front and wouldn’t keep wandering into midfield! Vargas is weak as piss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques de Gatineau Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 We were good against St Mirren and the Cypriots because we got the ball forward quickly and allowed players like Vargas to play with their instincts. Last night at times felt like a reversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 8 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Give Musa a run, if he is hopeless, then at least he got the chance to show he is hopeless Looks like 3 different Hearts managers this season have already concluded that he is hopeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feej Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 He's not good enough to play that role. At the moment he doesn't have the required game intelligence or ball retention qualities to be effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas was the only player who got in behind them last night. 2 great cut backs to Spittal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggie 1874 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 None of our strikers are currently the answer , hence the mess we are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Sick of Vargas, takes the wrong option and makes the wrong decision 9 times out of 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 We should just play the old Craig Levein formation 4-6-0 that will confuse the opposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 (edited) It's reasonable to ask what would be different. Critchley team so far has basically been settled with just the full backs rotated and Baningime missing. Vargas is just still very inexperienced. I don't see watching B team games who else could come in. Tait is behind Baningime and Boateng. Wilson did very well to score these 2 goals but is very inexperienced. Didn't touch ball in 19 minutes on the park last night. No one else is really knocking on the door. Full back rotation has been okay, centre halfs are good. I do prefer Kingsley playing as very experienced head on field. Baningime/ Boateng is very good. Spittal has become our best player. Dhanda should settle in as first pick. So then it's basically the forward positions. I said Vassell would be a good signing so missed the boat as plenty have said. Difficult to drop Shankland so it's someone else to play with him. Not Wilson as I've said so if not Musa that leaves a couple of free transfers. Edited October 31, 2024 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ1984 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Would rather go a free agent. Martyn Wahhorn or someone. Surely the super computer can throw out someone on a short term? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Bring back Liam Boyce! and Connor Sammon! baldy heids is what we need!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev1998 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 One of the worst players to wear the jersey.get him to f%£# asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 The player we need is a Stephen Humphrys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas was so bad on Sunday I felt he was very fortunate to retain his place last night. He made a good run for Shankland to find him from the throw which led to our goal. Wasn't much else to be positive about from his performance last night though. We need to go in a completely different direction in the forward areas. If we don't have a complete overhaul nothing will change. Shankland and Vargas shouldn't be part of the solution. Nor should McKay, Forrest or Oda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwd1957 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 29 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Give Musa a run, if he is hopeless, then at least he got the chance to show he is hopeless He got a chance at Celtic put himself about almost scored loads of energy then dropped out the squad ,something not right at Hearts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas is tired, it's that simple. Never got a break in the summer, has travelled for international games, starting every week for us. Bad squad management has meant he's relied upon when he shouldn't be. He's not shite, he showed that last season. The last few weeks as well he was good against St Mirren, he was a complete pain in the arse and key to our pressing against St Omonia and last night he played a huge part in our goal and also nearly set Spittal up for another. He's a young laddie who's learning and is visibly needing a break. For that reason though, I'd not be adding any further burden upon him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 24 minutes ago, Bob Loblaw said: Vargas is tired, it's that simple. Never got a break in the summer, has travelled for international games, starting every week for us. Bad squad management has meant he's relied upon when he shouldn't be. He's not shite, he showed that last season. The last few weeks as well he was good against St Mirren, he was a complete pain in the arse and key to our pressing against St Omonia and last night he played a huge part in our goal and also nearly set Spittal up for another. He's a young laddie who's learning and is visibly needing a break. For that reason though, I'd not be adding any further burden upon him. I’d agree. Earlier on in the season during this poor spell he was a rare ray of light. His bustling play unsettled teams, his never say die running was all we had upfront. I’ve said it myself like others I know, he looks like he’s dropped off himself recently. He could be feeling the pressure like all of them but what you’ll get is him still trying to do the hard work Shankland can’t and others don’t. He and Spittal stick out for me who willingly press the ball and run themselves into the ground. Others switch off, you can see it, they respond too late to press the ball. Technically we can have criticisms but let’s not get ahead of ourselves yet. We’re bottom of the pile and need to look around the changing room and see who’ll fight for the cause. Maybe in January we can get someone in to challenge Vargas and Shankland properly, maybe even dethrone them from a starting place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 32 minutes ago, Bob Loblaw said: Vargas is tired, it's that simple. Never got a break in the summer, has travelled for international games, starting every week for us. Bad squad management has meant he's relied upon when he shouldn't be. He's not shite, he showed that last season. The last few weeks as well he was good against St Mirren, he was a complete pain in the arse and key to our pressing against St Omonia and last night he played a huge part in our goal and also nearly set Spittal up for another. He's a young laddie who's learning and is visibly needing a break. For that reason though, I'd not be adding any further burden upon him. Very sensible post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNic Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas is number one. His arms, are number one. His legs, are number one. His eyes, are number one. His muscles, are number one. Vargas, is number one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 1 hour ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Is it time for a real shake up ! Drop Shankland and play Vargas through the middle. Shankland does not win any high balls anyway and this would force us to keep the ball in the deck and look to use Vargas’s pace to run in behind ! Also Vargas would probably stay up front and wouldn’t keep wandering into midfield! Vargas is woeful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Gold Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 I like Vargas. However he needs to start playing better and be a lot more consistent. Thought he had a good first season all things considering. Hasn't kicked on and if anything has gone backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 (edited) He cupped his ears to the crowd a few weeks back when he finally scored a goal. Don't think he takes criticism very well. And he can't stay on his feet anytime he gets tackled. It's money for auld rope for him over the next 5 years. He is our Gareth Evans, a bit of a heidless chicken, sometimes. Edited October 31, 2024 by Australis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Give Musa a run, if he is hopeless, then at least he got the chance to show he is hopeless This for me, surely has to be a better prospect than Wilson and must be worth a try. so rotate Musa and Wilson on the bench to give both of them some game time. Edited October 31, 2024 by sac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
If carlsberg did rivals... Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Start Wilson against St.J, a less pressurised environment, if he does well he gets more time against the 3 harder opponents coming up, you know at the very least you're getting the right attitude and 100% effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolflins Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 2 hours ago, Italian Lambretta said: Just get rid of him he’s utter shite Yes sadly this is true , offers nothing and is incredibly easily brushed aside . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottieMac17 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Vargas is prancing around like a prize pony these days, offering nothing much at all. He done a good job of hiding himself last night. The last time I was impressed with him was the rangers game at the start of the season, but he has never played with that desire since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 2 hours ago, Ally said: We were good against St Mirren and the Cypriots because we got the ball forward quickly and allowed players like Vargas to play with their instincts. Last night at times felt like a reversion. Killie had a whole team behind the ball for pretty much the whole game bar a 10 minutes spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicalEric Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Don't think the laddie is adapting to physical nature of the game. The amount of times he waits for the ball to come to him rather than make a move is incredibly frustrating. Add in his general composure and game awareness are awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 2 hours ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Looks like 3 different Hearts managers this season have already concluded that he is hopeless. Yet, one of them brought him to parkheid where he got into a position to score and almost did I get that, critically, he didn't score, but he's definitely not as far away as some think; latter 2 managers have been scared to play him, when it's nailed on impossible that he cannot be worse than boyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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