Shankland our captain

[CAI]

He's still pulling a shift. His quick thinking with the throw in led to our only goal. He made the assist in the first goal vs St Mirren also. He's definitely off the boil but still contributing. 

[luckyBatistuta]

1 hour ago, Gorgiewave said:

What's so unfair or unthinkable about starting Wilson? Plenty of players have come in at that age and established themselves.

We just watched a 16 year old score for his country at the Euros and also play in the final. In Scotland…naah, he’s too young🙄

[jamboozy]

5 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

There's something more to this situation, there has to be. The club was entirely dependent on Shanks , a player who is intent on leaving but who still remains captain even now. 

When he goes , there's zero goals in that whole squad but the club didn't sign another forward- but no one recognised the danger in this  'eggs in one basket' approach ? It beggars belief. 

I came on this morning to post more or less this. We must be the only club on Gods green earth that has a bloke that wants away, doesn’t really care about Hearts as captain! We are so powder puff as a club.

   I would like to add , he was only given the captaincy to keep him sweet as we were trying to get him to stay.

[Bungalow Bill]

5 hours ago, CAI said:

He's still pulling a shift. His quick thinking with the throw in led to our only goal. He made the assist in the first goal vs St Mirren also. He's definitely off the boil but still contributing. 

That’s my view. 
 

Fans could also get behind him, I know it’s a bit radical. The amount of folk around me going purple in the face calling Shanks a ^^^^ and telling him to **** off was out of order. 

[RustyRightPeg]

4 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said:

We just watched a 16 year old score for his country at the Euros and also play in the final. In Scotland…naah, he’s too young🙄

Comparing Yamal to Wilson 😂 Jesus christ. 
 

Physically they’re night and day. 

[skacel103]

1 minute ago, Bungalow Bill said:

That’s my view. 
 

Fans could also get behind him, I know it’s a bit radical. The amount of folk around me going purple in the face calling Shanks a ^^^^ and telling him to **** off was out of order. 

Our best player deserves to be captain.

[Peakybunnet]

To be fair he has been led up the garden path by his agent (Neil McCann) on this. Turned down a pay rise of say £8k a week early in the year fully expecting to be sold/bought by probably

Rangers. 
 

He has now lost approx £300k if this is correct with the likelihood of a

big move disappearing fast due to his goal drought. 
 

His head was turned and it’s all gone horribly wrong for him. Out of shape and out of form. At his age he needs to work his ass off as his career could take a big tumble the next couple

of years and with that the likelihood of losing more money. 
 

 

[jamboozy]

7 hours ago, SecN said:

Didn’t see him once communicate with his team or try to motivate them. Captain?  Nah!

 

 

Compare him to Kilmarnock’s captain, one was shouting and berating his players for not doing their jobs the other had a face like a wean that’s had his sweeties confiscated.

[A_A wehatethehibs]

Giving the armband back to Gordon and the minutes to Wilson is our only route forward now imo. We just have to hope that with game time Wilson gets stronger. Shanklands head has left the building. He must feel like a complete idiot not signing that deal. Nobody big wanted him in summer, nobody big is gonna want him next summer. He’ll be going back to Ayr at this rate. 
 

[Pans Jambo]

I would give the arm band to Kent. I was never a fan of a goal keeper being a captain. 

[Hood09]

Gordon needs dropped to. Time to see if Critchley has balls, shankland and Gordon dropped and Kent to captain

[Shanks]

I was hoping our manager had the bottle to haul him off - it would’ve sent a huge message. 

[Rudi cant fail]

1 hour ago, Peakybunnet said:

To be fair he has been led up the garden path by his agent (Neil McCann) on this. Turned down a pay rise of say £8k a week early in the year fully expecting to be sold/bought by probably

Rangers. 
 

He has now lost approx £300k if this is correct with the likelihood of a

big move disappearing fast due to his goal drought. 
 

His head was turned and it’s all gone horribly wrong for him. Out of shape and out of form. At his age he needs to work his ass off as his career could take a big tumble the next couple

of years and with that the likelihood of losing more money. 
 

 

His agent is Barry Hughes I believe. A complete roaster who can’t be listed as a director of his own company. McCann does work for them though 

[Spellczech]

7 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

There's something more to this situation, there has to be. The club was entirely dependent on Shanks , a player who is intent on leaving but who still remains captain even now. 

When he goes , there's zero goals in that whole squad but the club didn't sign another forward- but no one recognised the danger in this  'eggs in one basket' approach ? It beggars belief. 

Shankland doesn't realise that this is the pinnacle of his career. He may get a bit more money at Rangers but he is not their saviour, we all know that. The reason it's taken him 8 years to recover from his time at Aberdeen is his attitude and professionalism, not his goals. There are plenty of strikers without pace, but if they work hard nobody really cares, you just play speedsters off him...Unfortunately Mackay has the exact same lazy attitude to running. The reason Rangers let MacKay go, is the exact same reason that they refuse to pay a fee for Shanks.

Edited October 31, 2024 by Spellczech

[stirlo]

7 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

There's something more to this situation, there has to be. The club was entirely dependent on Shanks , a player who is intent on leaving but who still remains captain even now. 

When he goes , there's zero goals in that whole squad but the club didn't sign another forward- but no one recognised the danger in this  'eggs in one basket' approach ? It beggars belief. 

 

Correct - I really feel sorry for Critchley because you'd need to be Harry Houdini to find goals in that group of players without Shankland's goals. The incompetence in leaving us so short of options in the final third going into this season is off the scale.

[Spellczech]

1 hour ago, skacel103 said:

Our best player deserves to be captain.

Nonsense. Unless you just want a figurehead.

[Eddiepolio3]

12 minutes ago, stirlo said:

 

Correct - I really feel sorry for Critchley because you'd need to be Harry Houdini to find goals in that group of players without Shankland's goals. The incompetence in leaving us so short of options in the final third going into this season is off the scale.

Eh, let's just forget the 7 goals in 3 games last week then. Jeez this place!!!

[stirlo]

3 minutes ago, Eddiepolio3 said:

Eh, let's just forget the 7 goals in 3 games last week then. Jeez this place!!!

 

We played relatively poor opposition last week but the fact remains that apart from Shankland we don't have a player who is going to score 12-15 goals a season in that squad. Last night once we went behind we could have been playing until midnight and still not scored.

[skacel103]

15 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Nonsense. Unless you just want a figurehead.

Ok so who would you make captain then? 

[Hearts007]

1 minute ago, stirlo said:

 

We played relatively poor opposition last week but the fact remains that apart from Shankland we don't have a player who is going to score 12-15 goals a season in that squad. Last night once we went behind we could have been playing until midnight and still not scored.

Agreed including Vargas who will never be a regular goal scorer

[PapaShango]

The lack of any replacement is the issue here, if we had recruited a striker in the summer we could have given him a rest but we didn't so he needs to play every minute. He's miles off it though and doesn't look even remotely threatening. Compare that with Vassell from Killie who probably isn't the greatest player but he's physical and rag dolled our defence again last night. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

8 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

There's something more to this situation, there has to be. The club was entirely dependent on Shanks , a player who is intent on leaving but who still remains captain even now. 

When he goes , there's zero goals in that whole squad but the club didn't sign another forward- but no one recognised the danger in this  'eggs in one basket' approach ? It beggars belief. 

 

Reckon Shankland did

[Yoda]

2 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

Giving the armband back to Gordon and the minutes to Wilson is our only route forward now imo. We just have to hope that with game time Wilson gets stronger. Shanklands head has left the building. He must feel like a complete idiot not signing that deal. Nobody big wanted him in summer, nobody big is gonna want him next summer. He’ll be going back to Ayr at this rate. 
 

100% agree.

[Yoda]

36 minutes ago, PapaShango said:

The lack of any replacement is the issue here, if we had recruited a striker in the summer we could have given him a rest but we didn't so he needs to play every minute. He's miles off it though and doesn't look even remotely threatening. Compare that with Vassell from Killie who probably isn't the greatest player but he's physical and rag dolled our defence again last night. 

The center forward for the Hearts women's team could bully our defence.

[Haken]

8 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

There's something more to this situation, there has to be. The club was entirely dependent on Shanks , a player who is intent on leaving but who still remains captain even now. 

When he goes , there's zero goals in that whole squad but the club didn't sign another forward- but no one recognised the danger in this  'eggs in one basket' approach ? It beggars belief. 

Not only did we not sign a striker, we let one leave.  

[A_A wehatethehibs]

3 minutes ago, Haken said:

Not only did we not sign a striker, we let one leave.  

We let 2 leave 

[S Form]

At the moment, Shankland is like a carbon copy of Boyce - too slow to outrun defenders, constantly losing the ball when he's challenged, not alert or mobile enough in the box to get shots on goal. In fact, if Boyce had had the amount of game time that Shankland has I'm pretty sure he would have a similar record - one goal and two assists. This isn't an argument to say we should be playing Boyce, rather it goes to show what an absolute dumpling Shankland has become. 

 

 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

1 hour ago, Hood09 said:

Gordon needs dropped to. Time to see if Critchley has balls, shankland and Gordon dropped and Kent to captain

Kent needs dropped as well. Next....

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Better news for Lawrence, Halloweeen tonight, lots of sweets available

[tiger Rudi]

1 hour ago, skacel103 said:

Ok so who would you make captain then? 

The big ball winning centre half we haven't signed yet. 

 

Looking at the squad there is nobody that stands out as captain material. Kent maybe, but if it's true he's not happy here and looking to move, then no.

Gordon? No, he's still our number 1 but for how long?

Shankland, No......doesn't want to be here and can sign a pre elsewhere in less than 3 months time.

 

I'd actually give it to Boateng just now. 

Looks fit enough to play every week, is young and has a presence in the middle of the park. It's time for change and it starts with a new captain. 

[Americana]

2 hours ago, Spellczech said:

Nonsense. Unless you just want a figurehead.

 

Exactly, your captain imo should be the one looking pissed off and giving everyone a hard time , telling people to cool their heads after a goal etc. I would pass it to Frankie Kent, however I see alot of good qualities in Spittal too.

[doctor jambo]

What would happen if Shankland left in Summer 2024?

We'd do a lot better is now the correct answer

[jambogirlglasgow]

His physical condition is as astonishing an act of self-sabotage as you’ll ever see. For an elite athlete to do that to himself, never mind his employers, is beyond belief. 
He’s never come across as very bright but dearie me…

[AndyNic]

11 hours ago, CAI said:

He's still pulling a shift. His quick thinking with the throw in led to our only goal. He made the assist in the first goal vs St Mirren also. He's definitely off the boil but still contributing. 

 

Don't let facts get in the way of an argument though 

[sjh1874]

Shanks isn't our major problem albeit the lack of goals is telling. 

 

Kent dip in form, didn't like Gordons performance last night at all, McKay is a waste of a shirt, right back still a concern, middle of park is lightweight and passive.

 

Stick with Shanks and the captains armband, give the gloves to Zander, bring back Halks on Saturday and give Kent some rest, Kingsley in to give Penrice some down time and pray that the good lord has healed his Beni-boy. 

[jbee647]

5 hours ago, Rudi cant fail said:

His agent is Barry Hughes I believe. A complete roaster who can’t be listed as a director of his own company. McCann does work for them though 

Yeh his agent is Barry Hughes ( a dubious character, some say gangster, allegedly ) McCann has never been his agent but is involved with the same agency, it’s a myth that has grown legs over time.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

5 hours ago, Hood09 said:

Gordon needs dropped to. Time to see if Critchley has balls, shankland and Gordon dropped and Kent to captain

 

How does Gordon need dropped?

[Ricardo Quaresma]

He needs to give the armband back, admit any injury that exists and bide his time

 

My god, he's been needing this for a while, but it seriously has reached the terminus

 

 

I honestly will feel for the guy's welfare if he's bunged back into the starting line-up in perth

 

We've probably no choice but to go with 1 Striker and AMs, half of which will probably have to be subbed

 

Where's the rotation?

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Go without a captain and have a special guest for the coin toss

[Robbo-Jambo]

6 hours ago, jamboozy said:

I came on this morning to post more or less this. We must be the only club on Gods green earth that has a bloke that wants away, doesn’t really care about Hearts as captain! We are so powder puff as a club.

   I would like to add , he was only given the captaincy to keep him sweet as we were trying to get him to stay.

The captain's manager seems fairly happy with his contribution in general play when interviewed after the game.

 

Harsh to say he doesn't care, the guy's confidence is shot to bit in front of goals. 

 

60 goals in 2 seasons says to me he definitely cares.

 

When will ever see these stats again ?

Another 30 years if we are lucky.

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

What would happen if Shankland left in Summer 2024?

We'd do a lot better is now the correct answer

Unfortunately I agree. Aberdeen lost their top striker and it doesn't seem to have affected them too badly.

[Robbo-Jambo]

1 hour ago, jambogirlglasgow said:

His physical condition is as astonishing an act of self-sabotage as you’ll ever see. For an elite athlete to do that to himself, never mind his employers, is beyond belief. 
He’s never come across as very bright but dearie me…

Absolute exaggeration and pretty personal imo.

 

You don't know the guy so basically calling him stupid is not on.

[soonbe110]

5 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

The captain's manager seems fairly happy with his contribution in general play when interviewed after the game.

 

Harsh to say he doesn't care, the guy's confidence is shot to bit in front of goals. 

 

60 goals in 2 seasons says to me he definitely cares.

 

When will ever see these stats again ?

Another 30 years if we are lucky.

They are in the history books now though. This season is the only one that matters. 

[doctor jambo]

Just now, Pans Jambo said:

Unfortunately I agree. Aberdeen lost their top striker and it doesn't seem to have affected them too badly.

They got what £8 million for Miovski

We got £0 for Shankland

Neither has kicked a ball in Scotland since

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

What would happen if Shankland left in Summer 2024?

We'd do a lot better is now the correct answer

👍

[doctor jambo]

1 minute ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

Absolute exaggeration and pretty personal imo.

 

You don't know the guy so basically calling him stupid is not on.

Not blind though.

He most definately overweight for a pro sportsman.

We gave Boyd shit for it and Hartson

They kept scoring

Shanks is fat and not scoring

its not a great combination

[Rick Sanchez]

I'm not so sure Boyce is more immobile than Shankland anymore tbh.

[jambogirlglasgow]

4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Not blind though.

He most definately overweight for a pro sportsman.

We gave Boyd shit for it and Hartson

They kept scoring

Shanks is fat and not scoring

its not a great combination

 

8 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

Absolute exaggeration and pretty personal imo.

 

You don't know the guy so basically calling him stupid is not on.

Which part is an exaggeration? 

[gwd1957]

13 hours ago, CAI said:

He's still pulling a shift. His quick thinking with the throw in led to our only goal. He made the assist in the first goal vs St Mirren also. He's definitely off the boil but still contributing. 

100% much more than many of the first team

[jbee647]

14 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said:

I'm not so sure Boyce is more immobile than Shankland anymore tbh.

As sad as that sounds, I can’t disagree based on Shanklands recent performances