B Team / U18s / Academy 2024/25

[Chuck Berry]

I'd say Sandilands more so than McLuckie who has been in and out of the team.

 

Both Tait and Sandilands occupy central midfield roles and therefore a tough area to break though in at the moment, I can see both going out of loan in January.

[Footballfirst]

2 hours ago, KyleLafferty said:

How far would people who watch the B team is the likes of McLuckie and Sandilands are off getting near the first team? 

Last season that pair were key to Hearts excellent goals record, both in scoring themselves and providing assists to others.  Neither has kicked on as such, partly due to injury, and their goal scoring and assist contributions have lessened. Hearts mid table position is evidence of that.

 

They still have half a season to get back to where they were, but there is always the possibility of Sandilands at least going out on loan.  However, unless they can get regular game time at a level or two above the LL, it might not be a worthwhile exercise.   

[Chuck Berry]

Looks like an issue for next Tuesdays B game v Linlithgow.  Spartans have had a L2 game re-arranged for next Tuesday as well meaning Hearts B get bumped.

[Flogel the Right Back]

Hello, 

A question. 

Are there any limitations for a player swapping between the B Side in the Lowland League and the first team? I think I saw there was a limitation. (like is there a limit if a B Team player plays so many first team games they can't play anymore B-Team games in the Lowland League?)

 

Given the analytics scouting and range of ages, I was wondering about how the Lowland League B Team players, current and future , might be progressed into the first team, and possibly how they play in both, 

 

I had a read of the Lowland League rules, but didn't spot a specific regulation that answers my question, i might have missed it though. 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Flogel the Right Back

[Niemi’s gloves]

In reply to @Flogel the Right Back

It seems to be governed by an (unpublished?) agreement between the B teams, the Lowland League and the SFA, rather than LL rules. I think a B team player can play up to 5 times in the first team league games before losing eligibility for the B team; and this re-sets in January.
It may be the case that European games don’t count. On the other hand, it is probable that even a two minute sub appearance in a league game does count as an appearance.

 

Maybe someone else can provide an authoritative answer!! 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Niemi’s gloves

[Chuck Berry]

Basically if you make 5 appearances in the first team you can't play for the B team again until it resets in January.

 

So in theory, Adam Forrester couldn't play for the B team until January as he's made more than 5 first team appearances, although I don't think European games count towards that figure.

 

If a B team player makes 5 appearance in February for the first team for example, that's them done for the season with the B team.

 

I think that's right.

[jamboinglasgow]

1 minute ago, Chuck Berry said:

Basically if you make 5 appearances in the first team you can't play for the B team again until it resets in January.

 

So in theory, Adam Forrester couldn't play for the B team until January as he's made more than 5 first team appearances, although I don't think European games count towards that figure.

 

If a B team player makes 5 appearance in February for the first team for example, that's them done for the season with the B team.

 

I think that's right.

 

Yeah its league appearances. Though Forrester now has 6 league appearances so he cant play for B team till January. 

[Niemi’s gloves]

re the Linlithgow Rose game, I suppose it would be too simplistic to suggest that it could be played at Tynecastle? The weather forecast for next week is dry so it shouldn’t be too much of a problem for our wonderful hybrid pitch. 

[Niemi’s gloves]

A Linlithgow Rose poster on Pie and Bovril is indicating that next Tuesday’s game has been re-arranged to take place at Whitehill Welfare’s ground. Sounds plausible. 

[Chuck Berry]

11 hours ago, Niemi’s gloves said:

A Linlithgow Rose poster on Pie and Bovril is indicating that next Tuesday’s game has been re-arranged to take place at Whitehill Welfare’s ground. Sounds plausible. 

 

It's at Whitehill Welfare.

[tazhearts]

Hearts B have confirmed via Twitter that the game is at Whitehill Welfare's ground.  I love nearby to will head along to the game.

[Chuck Berry]

Hearts B & Academy
@WeeJambos

❌ GAME OFF ❌ 

Following a 10am pitch inspection, today’s match away to Broomhill has been postponed due to a waterlogged pitch. 

A new date will be confirmed in due course.

[Footballfirst]

48 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said:

Hearts B & Academy
@WeeJambos

❌ GAME OFF ❌ 

Following a 10am pitch inspection, today’s match away to Broomhill has been postponed due to a waterlogged pitch. 

A new date will be confirmed in due course.

Tuesday's game v Linlithgow at Rosewell could also be in doubt

Whitehill Welfare Football Club@WhitehilWelfare

Unfortunately today’s game v Lochore has been called off after the referee deemed the pitch at Ferguson Park unplayable.

[Chuck Berry]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Tuesday's game v Linlithgow at Rosewell could also be in doubt

Whitehill Welfare Football Club@WhitehilWelfare

Unfortunately today’s game v Lochore has been called off after the referee deemed the pitch at Ferguson Park unplayable.

 

Forecast is dry between now and Tuesday so fingers crossed.

[Chuck Berry]

Reminder that tonights B game v Linlithgow Rose is in Rosewell at Whitehill Welfare.  ko.7.45pm.  wrap-up warm!

[Mikey1874]

[Footballfirst]

I guess the game is still on by the team announcement, although games at Broxburn and Cowdenbeath have been called off.  

[Hungry hippo]

Game off

[Hungry hippo]

https://x.com/WeeJambos/status/1866560928717869159?t=lpOxuvbEgXXyYo1bFp9ugg&s=19

[Footballfirst]

40 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

https://x.com/WeeJambos/status/1866560928717869159?t=lpOxuvbEgXXyYo1bFp9ugg&s=19

I left the house just one minute before it was called off.  Now back home again.  🤬

[Chuck Berry]

Pitch was playable, but apparently the match ref was concerned about what might happen as the game worn on, despite the weather not forecast to get any worse.

 

Seems a poor decision to me. 

[Ferryjambo99]

23 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said:

Pitch was playable, but apparently the match ref was concerned about what might happen as the game worn on, despite the weather not forecast to get any worse.

 

Seems a poor decision to me. 

 

Weather was forecast to get colder and the pitch had clearly got worse in the short time both teams were there. Everyone in the ground was in agreement it was the correct call

[Chuck Berry]

10 minutes ago, Ferryjambo99 said:

 

Weather was forecast to get colder and the pitch had clearly got worse in the short time both teams were there. Everyone in the ground was in agreement it was the correct call

 

Temp was -1  and was forecast to remain at that until 23.00. The pitch was taking a stud. I was in the ground and I can assure you not everyone was in agreement.

 

Not sure if there had been an earlier inspection but the match ref couldn't wait to call it off.

[Ferryjambo99]

14 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said:

 

Temp was -1  and was forecast to remain at that until 23.00. The pitch was taking a stud. I was in the ground and I can assure you not everyone was in agreement.

 

Not sure if there had been an earlier inspection but the match ref couldn't wait to call it off.

 

Both sets of coaching staff completely agreed it would be unsafe to play. There was a prior inspection and 2 inspections half an hour apart in the ground. Pitch was clearly worse at 7  than it was at 6.30. 

 

What would be ridiculous would be allowing the game to go on and then abandoning it when the pitch had worsened further or after a player sustained an injury. 

[Chuck Berry]

13 minutes ago, Ferryjambo99 said:

 

Both sets of coaching staff completely agreed it would be unsafe to play. There was a prior inspection and 2 inspections half an hour apart in the ground. Pitch was clearly worse at 7  than it was at 6.30. 

 

What would be ridiculous would be allowing the game to go on and then abandoning it when the pitch had worsened further or after a player sustained an injury. 

 

Yet the Lithgae guys were saying just prior to last inspection that the game would start as it was taking a stud fine? They didn't seem concerned.

 

You can't go calling off games over what *might* happen later. I doubt the pitch would have got any worse, and the weather between 6.30-7.00 hadn't changed, neither had the temperature and it wasn't forecast to.

 

If refs are going to call off games over what may happen later, then it should have been called off whenever the first inspection took place earlier in the day (was it by a ref?) as the forecast was quite clear what was going to happen.

 

Waste of time and money and not a good look for Hearts.

Edited December 10, 2024 by Chuck Berry

[Mikey1874]

8 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said:

 

Yet the Lithgae guys were saying just prior to last inspection that the game would start as it was taking a stud fine? They didn't seem concerned.

 

You can't go calling off games over what *might* happen later. I doubt the pitch would have got any worse, and the weather between 6.30-7.00 hadn't changed, neither had the temperature and it wasn't forecast to.

 

If refs are going to call off games over what may happen later, then it should have been called off whenever the first inspection took place earlier in the day (was it by a ref?) as the forecast was quite clear what was going to happen.

 

Waste of time and money and not a good look for Hearts.

 

Nothing to do with Hearts. Strange comment.

 

Referee decision.

[Chuck Berry]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Nothing to do with Hearts. Strange comment.

 

Referee decision.

 

Not strange at all. 

 

Given the weather and forecast you'd expect any club to call an early inspection (another game in the LL was called off mid-afternoon today), if that is what happened then there's no blame attached to Hearts at all.

 

However if it didn't happen and it was left to the match ref, then it's not a good look. Indeed the club can get sanctioned by the league in those circumstances and subject to expenses claims from the visiting club.

 

 

[Jambo senior]

Hearts had referee inspect pitch at 5 pm,  6.30 then again match referee wanted a further inspection at 7pm when he finally decided to call it off.     Can’t see what else they could have done

[Chuck Berry]

9 hours ago, Jambo senior said:

Hearts had referee inspect pitch at 5 pm,  6.30 then again match referee wanted a further inspection at 7pm when he finally decided to call it off.     Can’t see what else they could have done

 

In that case Hearts followed the right procedure.  Can't see how between 5.00-7.00 the pitch got any worse. If the ref at 5.00 had called it off it would have saved everyone's time (or the match ref had just got on with it)

[RustyRightPeg]

12 hours ago, Chuck Berry said:

 

Not strange at all. 

 

Given the weather and forecast you'd expect any club to call an early inspection (another game in the LL was called off mid-afternoon today), if that is what happened then there's no blame attached to Hearts at all.

 

However if it didn't happen and it was left to the match ref, then it's not a good look. Indeed the club can get sanctioned by the league in those circumstances and subject to expenses claims from the visiting club.

 

 

Would be better if you actually looked into what happened before you blamed the club. It was a referee decision. 

[Chuck Berry]

2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Would be better if you actually looked into what happened before you blamed the club. It was a referee decision. 

 

Would be better if you actually read my posts and realised I was there, before wading in.

[Footballfirst]

 

Only 4 subs, although good to see Ethan Drysdale back, given he has been out since going off in the friendly v Leyton Orient in July.

 

None of the eligible players who went to Copenhagen are included. With Colts in danger of relegation, IMO that is reason enough that B teams shouldn't be anywhere near the Lowland League.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Footballfirst

[HMFC01]

47 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

Only 4 subs, although good to see Ethan Drysdale back, given he has been out since going off in the friendly v Leyton Orient in July.

 

None of the eligible players who went to Copenhagen are included. With Colts in danger of relegation, IMO that is reason enough that B teams shouldn't be anywhere near the Lowland League.

 

Do you mean the level of competition or risk of further injuries? 

 

Great to see Drysdale back.   Hope he gets a big clap if he comes on. 

[Mikey1874]

Forrester playing for Bonnyrigg and Wilson for Leeds U18s if there was no B team

 

Maybe Hearts would be better off without them.

[HMFC01]

Great save by Lyon. 

[HMFC01]

0-1 at the corner

[BM1874]

Not the greatest game in the world, great save from Lyon to concede th corner the goal came from. 

[Hungry hippo]

1 hour ago, HMFC01 said:

 

Do you mean the level of competition or risk of further injuries? 

 

Great to see Drysdale back.   Hope he gets a big clap if he comes on. 

 

I think his point is that it's unfair on the other teams in relegation danger that our B team is really weakened tonight due to our European game last night.

[Footballfirst]

42 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

 

I think his point is that it's unfair on the other teams in relegation danger that our B team is really weakened tonight due to our European game last night.

Correct. If Colts escape relegation to the WOSFL by a point or two, then the team that is relegated might point to Hearts fielding a weakened side tonight.

[Footballfirst]

I only managed to catch the last half hour tonight, but Hearts looked devoid of any idea how to break down the Colts defence. They would pass it back and forward across the back, then eventually lose patience and punt it forward to no-one in particular.  Hearts aren't endowed with target men.   They also conceded too many cheap fouls, releasing any pressure they might build. Ultimately, the inevitable defensive bomb scare moment delivered a winner for Colts.  There just seems to be a lack of intelligence about their play when they are missing their better players.

 

Hearts are at their best when playing the ball forward and making support runs at pace.  I only saw them do it once, just after Matty Gillies had equalised, but McLuckie lacked composure with the finish and scooped it over the bar.  

 

Good to see Drysdale back, although he understandably looked a bit rusty playing in a left wing back role.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Footballfirst

[jbee647]

The words No 5, (Smutek) has something about him came out my mouth at the moment when he was short with the pass back for Colts winner… 😳

A  few look good on the ball, Plank, Gilles, Stevenson and McLuckie, but there was absolutely no end product.. also our lads will be professionals training full time, yet looked no fitter than amateurs who were probably working till 4o’clock this afternoon 

Edited December 13, 2024 by jbee647

[Chuck Berry]

18 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

 

Only 4 subs, although good to see Ethan Drysdale back, given he has been out since going off in the friendly v Leyton Orient in July.

 

None of the eligible players who went to Copenhagen are included. With Colts in danger of relegation, IMO that is reason enough that B teams shouldn't be anywhere near the Lowland League.

 

Load of nonsense.

[Chuck Berry]

16 hours ago, Hungry hippo said:

 

I think his point is that it's unfair on the other teams in relegation danger that our B team is really weakened tonight due to our European game last night.

 

They're not though.  Only Tait and Sandilands could have played.

[jr ewing]

19 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

 

Only 4 subs, although good to see Ethan Drysdale back, given he has been out since going off in the friendly v Leyton Orient in July.

 

None of the eligible players who went to Copenhagen are included. With Colts in danger of relegation, IMO that is reason enough that B teams shouldn't be anywhere near the Lowland League.

Maybe time to withdraw from the league. Nothing being produced for the first team. Money better spent on a couple of starters. 

[jamboinglasgow]

7 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

Maybe time to withdraw from the league. Nothing being produced for the first team. Money better spent on a couple of starters. 

 

What you talking about, we finished the game on Thursday with two players who were in the B team at the start of the season, who have been decent for the first team so far.

[Chuck Berry]

14 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

Maybe time to withdraw from the league. Nothing being produced for the first team. Money better spent on a couple of starters. 

 

[jr ewing]

2 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

What you talking about, we finished the game on Thursday with two players who were in the B team at the start of the season, who have been decent for the first team so far.

So not actual starters then?

[Chuck Berry]

2 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

So not actual starters then?

 

Don't embarrass yourself any further.

[jamboinglasgow]

19 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

So not actual starters then?

 

Moving the goal posts there. Both have started in recent weeks. 

[KyleLafferty]

4 hours ago, jr ewing said:

Maybe time to withdraw from the league. Nothing being produced for the first team. Money better spent on a couple of starters. 

Suppose you didn’t celebrate Wilson’s equaliser against Hibs.