Wrap up third - Season has been a success

[Watt-Zeefuik]

1 hour ago, Gorgie_Rules said:

First time since the 60s we’ve had 3 consecutive top 4 finishes.

 

Europe (potentially 8 - 10 games) next season for the third year on the trot for the first time ever.

 

Club has never been on a more stable footing and in as good hands financially.

 

If any Hearts fan thinks this season (and era for the club) is anything less than a success just because we lost two semi finals to Rangers then they should probably think about packing it in.

 

Not quite accurate. In the 90s we went 4th, 4th, 3rd, the only other time it's happened. This is the first time we've gotten 3 straight top 4 finishes where two of those were 3rd.

[db211833]

48 minutes ago, Sir PH said:

Exactly. And this garbage that we've won three trophies in 60 years, so just pipe down and be grateful for finishing 3rd and getting slapped aside in two semi's? Three trophies in 60 years is an utter disgrace for the third biggest club in the country. 180 odd attempts, and we've succeeded three times. Pitiful.

So just to be clear,  you consider this seasonal failure? 

[Sir PH]

8 minutes ago, db211833 said:

So just to be clear,  you consider this seasonal failure? 

Nope. I said it's been decent, no more than that. We've finished exactly where I'd expect us to finish. 

[Bazzas right boot]

 

3rd, 4th, 3rd.

2 x sf this season. 

70 points would be great!

 

We've also been to 3 sc finals out the last 6.We are knocking on the door for a trophy.

 

It's literally our most consistent period in decades, maybe 50 years.

 

Really hard to beat the OF in a sf or final ( history shows this), that's the next hurdle to overcome and it won't be easy, a bit luck needed.

We could probably be do with drawing them early at home, although it means we might go out earlier, I feel it's more likley we beat them at home than at Hampden.

 

Really successful season,  one that we need to build on- that is key.

 

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

1 minute ago, Sir PH said:

Nope. I said it's been decent, no more than that. We've finished exactly where I'd expect us to finish. 

 

So it's a success then?

 

 

[Cruickie's Moustache]

The rest of the chasing pack would love to be us.

 

Killie, St Mirren and Dundee will all go through ups and downs.

They are where they are currently because they have half decent managers that set out their stall well.

However the chances of repeating this years performances could be scuppered by many factors.

(Such as Dundee currently having so many loanees).

Our 'normal' expected rivals for third, Hibs and Aberdeen are going to have to go through yet another rebuild.

They have yet to show the same consistency and the head of steam we have built up.

 

I appreciate why some people are screaming for wholescale changes in our playing squad but I think that is foolish.

Yes some will naturally go and we have Dhanda Spittal and Penrice coming in but our changes do not need to be excessive.

A few key acquisitions to add to what we have is all we need.

A bit of improvement in coaching some of them in their weaknesses, like Rowles and Vargas wouldn't go a miss.

Maybe Tagawa will come good if we start playing to whatever strenghts we saw in him. 

We have lots of games coming up assuming we secure third and get our Euro spot, so we need numbers.

 

We have  good squad and Naismith seems to have the players enjoying their football.

The midset this year has been far better than previous seasons.

 

Appreciate yesterday was a dissapointment for the fans but the players seemed to react in the right manner.

At the end of the game they were gutted like all of us.

Didn't see any of them mucking about after the fioal whistle as if that didn't sting.

So something to build on forr the next time.

 

Club in a good position off the park and some forward planning can be done knowing we will have Euro cash coming down the line.

 

All in all (barr and silly slip ups re Thrid place) its been a succesful season and plenty room to look onwards and upwards and really cement the role as best of the rest going forwards.

 

 

[Dia Liom]

7 hours ago, ToadKiller Dog said:

My basic template is 3rd ,4th at worst , 

Cups the semis at least depending on avoiding the uglies .

We've done that .

The semis have been disappointing, we also don't take enough of our chances .

But are we moving forward as a club yep we are ,maybe not at the pace we want as fans ,but overall we are in a ok place .

I agree but think we have achieved 3rd and two semis once since we last won the cup (and we finished 5th? that season)

[Diadora Van Basten]

Definitely been a successful season. The strange thing is that Naismith has improved us defensively especially from soft goals at corners.

 

Going forward the challenge is to replace Shanks goals as I don’t think he will be here next season and would love to get Halkett and Boyce back.

 

Would be happy to move on McKay, Atkinson, Rowles and Tagawa.

 

Icing on the cake has Hibs and Aberdeen not even making top six despite having similar budgets.

[Sir PH]

47 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

So it's a success then?

 

 

No, it's a decent season. Success would be winning something. We've been over this and it's getting tedious. We've got different ideas of what success is, let's leave it there, or if you want the last word (I know you like to) then carry on.

[CaptainShanks]

1 hour ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

Agreed, we can hope.

 

We really did get the short straw two years ago when we got the eventual runner up as our Pod 2 draw. The new format at least spreads out the risk by drawing 6 teams instead of 3.

Bang on. Our performances in Europe next season will tell us a lot about where we are. 

[Philfigo]

Season will be a succes if we wrap 3rd up and have reached 2 cup semi finals. Meeting the old firm in the  semis realistically means that's the best we can hope. It would have been nice to get to a final but alot of things need to aline for that to happen I terms of they need to play poor, all the luck has to go our way and we need to out perform to our usual standards. Those 3 things happen you might win only 1 or 2 of those things happen you ain't wining the match.

[If carlsberg did rivals...]

2 hours ago, Sir PH said:

Exactly. And this garbage that we've won three trophies in 60 years, so just pipe down and be grateful for finishing 3rd and getting slapped aside in two semi's? Three trophies in 60 years is an utter disgrace for the third biggest club in the country. 180 odd attempts, and we've succeeded three times. Pitiful.

Correct, St. Johnstone have won 3 major trophies since we last picked up a cup, how does anyone think that's OK because we finish third?

[Sir PH]

16 minutes ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

Correct, St. Johnstone have won 3 major trophies since we last picked up a cup, how does anyone think that's OK because we finish third?

Less of those facts, please. It doesn't fit the narrative. 

[RENE]

2 hours ago, Sir PH said:

Exactly. And this garbage that we've won three trophies in 60 years, so just pipe down and be grateful for finishing 3rd and getting slapped aside in two semi's? Three trophies in 60 years is an utter disgrace for the third biggest club in the country. 180 odd attempts, and we've succeeded three times. Pitiful.

Or you could say we've won three trophies in 26 years 🙂

[Cruickie's Moustache]

We would all love to win more silverware

However the stark reality is that you can discount the SPFL title under the current system of playing each other 3/4 times.

 

Cup wins are a lottery and more often than not you have to luckily avoid the Two Cheeks or beat them at some point.

 

If you start looking at our Cup wins in the 'modern era' and go back to our win in 1998 we have three Scottish Cups and no League Cups (3)

St Johnstone has two Scottish Cups and one League Cup (3)

Hibs have one Scottish Cup and one League Cup (2)

 

As for the rest it is.

 

Scottish Cups

Dundee Utd - 1 (we went out to Aberdeen 4th round)

ICT - 1 (we went out to Celtic 4th round)

 

League Cups 

Livvy - 1 (we went out to Dundee in ET in the QF)

Killie - 1 (we went out to Ayr on Pens 3rd round)

St Mirren - 1 (we were runners-up)

Aberdeen - 1 (we went out to ICT on Pens in the SF)

Ross County - 1 (we went out to Celtic in QF)

 

Our League Cup record is poor but other than the Brora fiasco (21)  we have been getting to Scottish Cup Finals 19, 20 & 22, SF (24 out v Rangers)  QF (23 out v Celtic).

 

So yes like everyione else I would hope we could break through and lift a trophy but, while disappointing , we are on the right track.

 

[jambopilms]

1 hour ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

Correct, St. Johnstone have won 3 major trophies since we last picked up a cup, how does anyone think that's OK because we finish third?

The only time any club wins a cup is if they are lucky enough not to meet one of the OF in the final. 

[Debut 4]

11 minutes ago, jambopilms said:

The only time any club wins a cup is if they are lucky enough not to meet one of the OF in the final. 

Did they not knock out Rangers though?  Half the job done before the final and often the other cheek is put out by someone else.  
 

Another point being that not many teams beat both to then go on and win the cup.

 

Beating one early doors gives you a great chance though.  

[Thunder and Lightning]

11 hours ago, vegas-voss said:

Agree or disagree ?

 

My overwhelming feeling is it will be a success when third is wrapped up then regroup and come back stronger next season with new additions.Keep knocking at the door with visits to Hampden and a trophy will come again, remember the hurt in previous seasons before  JJ finally done it.

 

 

It's easy to say yes. But we should always strive to win something. 

 

That's success. Best of the rest is where we should be. 

[If carlsberg did rivals...]

1 hour ago, jambopilms said:

The only time any club wins a cup is if they are lucky enough not to meet one of the OF in the final. 

I hate to be the one breaking this news to you, but Hibs lifted the cup by beating Rangers.

[dannymack]

12 hours ago, vegas-voss said:

Agree or disagree ?

 

My overwhelming feeling is it will be a success when third is wrapped up then regroup and come back stronger next season with new additions.Keep knocking at the door with visits to Hampden and a trophy will come again, remember the hurt in previous seasons before  JJ finally done it.

 

 

 

Agree... a cup win would have been spectacular but alas was not to be. 

I'm confident we'll finish 3rd and not blow it. 

 

 

[dannymack]

1 hour ago, jambopilms said:

The only time any club wins a cup is if they are lucky enough not to meet one of the OF in the final. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

2 minutes ago, dannymack said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately,  the exception that proves the rule.

I think OF teams have lost twice in the last 30 years in finals.

One of those was a championship rangers that got beat.

 

Happens rarely, we've been beat by the OF in the last 3 finals,  all very close- but we got beat.

 

[Cruickie's Moustache]

59 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

Did they not knock out Rangers though?  Half the job done before the final and often the other cheek is put out by someone else.  
 

Another point being that not many teams beat both to then go on and win the cup.

 

Beating one early doors gives you a great chance though.  

 

4 minutes ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

I hate to be the one breaking this news to you, but Hibs lifted the cup by beating Rangers.

 

Correct of course but St J was a last minute equaliser to put the game to pens (all aided by our very own Zander)  and Hibs as we know was a winner in added on time.

 

Still better than our recent showings against T'Rangers but a bit of luck going a long way. 

We just have to keep plugging away and one day that type of luck will be on our side.

 

Rather we did it on sheer ability but given the financial gap its always going to be hard to beat the two cheeks if they turn up.

 

They can have off days in the league but are rarely posted missing at the same time in the cups when push comes to shove.

[Bazzas right boot]

2 hours ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

Correct, St. Johnstone have won 3 major trophies since we last picked up a cup, how does anyone think that's OK because we finish third?

 

How is that the current teams fault?

 

Wtf has St Johnstone doing brilliant and winning cups a few years ago have to do with  finishing 3rd this season?

Why it relevant?

Do you want us to finish Lower in the league, just so it's a really shite season?

 

Wtf is up with folk, suddenly a select few have decided to load this current Hearts team with the failures of the past and better  still  - every other team that has won a cup is a poor reflection on us.

 

Are folk on the wind up?

 

The poster that started the shit show is no doubt laughing away.

 

 

 

 

[If carlsberg did rivals...]

3 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

How is that the current teams fault?

 

Wtf has St Johnstone doing brilliant and winning cups a few years ago have to do with  finishing 3rd this season?

Why it relevant?

Do you want us to finish Lower in the league, just so it's a really shite season?

 

Wtf is up with folk, suddenly a select few have decided to load this current Hearts team with the failures of the past and better  still  - every other team that has won a cup is a poor reflection on us.

 

Are folk on the wind up?

 

The poster that started the shit show is no doubt laughing away.

 

 

 

 

I'm not suggesting it's the current teams fault. It's more a comment to the people who view finishing 3rd some seasons as a success. I'd rather finish anywhere in the league, bar relegation or play off spots obviously and lift a cup than finish 3rd.

[dannymack]

11 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

Unfortunately,  the exception that proves the rule.

I think OF teams have lost twice in the last 30 years in finals.

One of those was a championship rangers that got beat.

 

Happens rarely, we've been beat by the OF in the last 3 finals,  all very close- but we got beat.

 

1877 Vale of Leven v Rangers

1879 Vale of Leven v Rangers

1889 3rd Lanark v Celtic

1893 Queens Park v Celtic

1901 Heart of Midlothian v Celtic

1902 Hibs v Celtic

1905 3rd Lanark v Rangers

1921 Partick Thistle v Rangers

1922 Morton v Rangers

1926 St.Midden v Celtic

1929 Kilmarnock v Rangers

1955 Clyde v Celtic

1956 Heart of Midlothian v Celtic 

1961 Dunfermline v Celtic

1970 Aberdeen v Celtic

1982 Aberdeen v Rangers

1983 Aberdeen v Rangers 

1984 Aberdeen v Celtic 

1990 Aberdeen v Celtic 

1994 Dundee Utd v Rangers 

1998 Heart of Midlothian v Rangers 

2016 Hibs v Rangers.

 

Wow how astonishing that record is, 150 years of the Scottish Cup and only 22 occasions the Old Squirm have been defeated in a Final by the 'outsider'... shameful. 

 

At least Hearts can claim 3 winning finals though. (Clutching at straws)

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, dannymack said:

1877 Vale of Leven v Rangers

1879 Vale of Leven v Rangers

1889 3rd Lanark v Celtic

1893 Queens Park v Celtic

1901 Heart of Midlothian v Celtic

1902 Hibs v Celtic

1905 3rd Lanark v Rangers

1921 Partick Thistle v Rangers

1922 Morton v Rangers

1926 St.Midden v Celtic

1929 Kilmarnock v Rangers

1955 Clyde v Celtic

1956 Heart of Midlothian v Celtic 

1961 Dunfermline v Celtic

1970 Aberdeen v Celtic

1982 Aberdeen v Rangers

1983 Aberdeen v Rangers 

1984 Aberdeen v Celtic 

1990 Aberdeen v Celtic 

1994 Dundee Utd v Rangers 

1998 Heart of Midlothian v Rangers 

2016 Hibs v Rangers.

 

Wow how astonishing that record is, 150 years of the Scottish Cup and only 22 occasions the Old Squirm have been defeated in a Final by the 'outsider'... shameful. 

 

At least Hearts can claim 3 winning finals though. (Clutching at straws)

 

Twice in last 30 years, one actually by us and the other was a championship rangers side.

 

You've even  used Vale  of Leven Victories to prove your point!

 

Anything before the 80's is really irrelevant as well to the modern time given how the OF have grown and dominate the trophies. When rangers were liquidated there was a brief period were cups were shared around a bit, but 2 final wins v the OF

in 30 finals, one was ours, the other was a championship rangers side.

 

It's really shite tbh.

 

 

Edited April 22 by Bazzas right boot

[dannymack]

8 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

Twice in last 30 years, one actually by us and the other was a championship rangers side.

 

You've even  used Vale  of Leven Victories to prove your point!

 

Anything before the 80's is really irrelevant as well to the modern time given how the OF have grown and dominate the trophies. When rangers were liquidated there was a brief period were cups were shared around a bit, but 2 final wins v the OF

in 30 finals, one was ours, the other was a championship rangers side.

 

It's really shite tbh.

 

 

 

If you look at the overall history of Scottish Football it amazes me how those two grew to being so big and dominant from day one of the their existence. 

Of course there was lull periods for both clubs but even in the 50s and 80s for example when both were in a so called dip they STILL managed silverware ! 

 

Only the Scottish League Cup shows some credibility to where a fair few clubs outwith those two has had ribbons tied to the lugs of the cup belonging to the underdog. 

Edited April 23 by dannymack

[Bazzas right boot]

2 hours ago, dannymack said:

 

If you look at the overall history of Scottish Football it amazes me how those two grew to being so big and dominant from day one of the their existence. 

Of course there was lull periods for both clubs but even in the 50s and 80s for example when both were in a so called dip they STILL managed silverware ! 

 

Only the Scottish League Cup shows some credibility to where a fair few clubs outwith those two has had ribbons tied to the lugs of the cup belonging to the underdog. 

 

Probably not helped by not having a consistently good 3rd team, like a Feynoord,  Aek( Greece), Arsenal,  A Madrid type club.

 

Hearts,  hibs, Aberdeen have had a turn but lacked the ability to hold or build on it and the difference is massive,  of we were a team with Ave crowds of 30k -35k then the difference from the two to the 3rd place  would be smaller, but the difference from 2nd place to 3rd place teams in terms of trophies,  fan base and size is massive.

 

Most leagues have a top 2, but the 3rd/4th etc biggest teams aren't as far behind and pop up from time to time to win league's and regular trophies.

 

Portugal has a top 3 that outstrips the rest in a similar fashion and has a similar issue,  only 2 other teams have ever won that league- ever,  although Boavista managed it in 2001, so even that betters our recent history. 

 

 

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

15 hours ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

Correct, St. Johnstone have won 3 major trophies since we last picked up a cup, how does anyone think that's OK because we finish third?

They have also finished in relegation play off place and could end up there this season again, so perhaps they aren't best example. I'm sure you and PH would be delighted if we replicated that. 

 

[Sir PH]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

They have also finished in relegation play off place and could end up there this season again, so perhaps they aren't best example. I'm sure you and PH would be delighted if we replicated that. 

 

What does that have to do with them doing a cup double? 

[Malinga the Swinga]

12 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

How is that the current teams fault?

 

Wtf has St Johnstone doing brilliant and winning cups a few years ago have to do with  finishing 3rd this season?

Why it relevant?

Do you want us to finish Lower in the league, just so it's a really shite season?

 

Wtf is up with folk, suddenly a select few have decided to load this current Hearts team with the failures of the past and better  still  - every other team that has won a cup is a poor reflection on us.

 

Are folk on the wind up?

 

The poster that started the shit show is no doubt laughing away.

 

 

 

 

The posters that started the St Johnstone shit are likely supporters of another Edinburgh club or a Glasgow club.

 

[Sir PH]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

The posters that started the St Johnstone shit are likely supporters of another Edinburgh club or a Glasgow club.

 

And there it is! 😂😂😂

 

Call out Hearts for underachieving and you're not a Hearts fan. 

 

Away and iron your Hearts jammies and duvet set, keep yourself busy.

Edited April 23 by Sir PH

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, Sir PH said:

What does that have to do with them doing a cup double? 

I'm not the one holding them up as a Barometer of success. If you want to do that, you have to examine the whole picture, or you would have if you weren't looking to be as negative as possible.

They beat Sevco, that disgusting new version of the old bigoted Rangers, a club who died after their supporters walked away, as we did in a cup run. Difference is they got non old firm team in finals, we got Celtic.

Don't why I'm pointing the obvious out though, you don't care. You just prefer to tear into hearts at every opportunity.

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 minutes ago, Sir PH said:

And there it is! 😂😂😂

 

Call out Hearts for underachieving and you're not a Hearts fan. 

 

Away and iron your Hearts jammies and duvet set, keep yourself busy.

Did I even mention you? 

[Sir PH]

8 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I'm not the one holding them up as a Barometer of success. If you want to do that, you have to examine the whole picture, or you would have if you weren't looking to be as negative as possible.

They beat Sevco, that disgusting new version of the old bigoted Rangers, a club who died after their supporters walked away, as we did in a cup run. Difference is they got non old firm team in finals, we got Celtic.

Don't why I'm pointing the obvious out though, you don't care. You just prefer to tear into hearts at every opportunity.

They beat Rangers at Ibrox to get there. I know it annoys you that other clubs can win trophies with a fraction of our budget, but they do. 

[Sir PH]

9 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Did I even mention you? 

Did I say you did? 

[Malinga the Swinga]

5 minutes ago, Sir PH said:

They beat Rangers at Ibrox to get there. I know it annoys you that other clubs can win trophies with a fraction of our budget, but they do. 

I know that which is why I mentioned it. Fortunately for them, they didn't then have to face Celtic.

Doesn't annoy me other teams win cups, that's sport. I don't get excited about It and use It to criticise Hearts though. It does annoy me when Sevco, a vile reincarnation of a bigoted club who died after their supporters let it happen, called Rangers, or Celtic, Sevco's best friends in football, do.

 

Edited April 23 by Malinga the Swinga

[Sir PH]

2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I know that which is why I mentioned it. Fortunately for them, they didn't then have to face Celtic.

Doesn't annoy me other teams win cups, that's sport. I don't get excited about It and use It to criticise Hearts though. It does annoy me when Sevco, a vile reincarnation of a bigoted club who died after their supporters let it happen, called Rangers, or Celtic, Sevco's best friends in football, do.

 

I think it does. Because it removes your comfort blanket that we shouldn't be competing with the Old Firm in the cup competitions.

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, Sir PH said:

I think it does. Because it removes your comfort blanket that we shouldn't be competing with the Old Firm in the cup competitions.

You can think what you want, it's a free country. You're wrong though.

You can also keep your safety blanket and your beloved old firm and stick them where the sun doesn't shine 

[Sir PH]

Just now, Malinga the Swinga said:

You can think what you want, it's a free country. You're wrong though.

You can also keep your safety blanket and your beloved old firm and stick them where the sun doesn't shine 

Comfort blanket.👍

[If carlsberg did rivals...]

54 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Did I even mention you? 

So, you're talking about me then? I was there when we lost 4-3 in a league cup final to the real Rangers, when we gave it a go against a Rangers team containing World class players not the journeymen they have now.

[JimmyCant]

19 hours ago, Sir PH said:

Exactly. And this garbage that we've won three trophies in 60 years, so just pipe down and be grateful for finishing 3rd and getting slapped aside in two semi's? Three trophies in 60 years is an utter disgrace for the third biggest club in the country. 180 odd attempts, and we've succeeded three times. Pitiful.

We’ve got 2 monolithic clubs in our league and cups, financially dwarfing everyone else. yes we’ve had chances and missed opportunities and 3 in 60 years can be looked upon as disappointing when you look at some of the chances. But it’s not an utter disgrace and it’s not pitiful. What’s more it’s probably not going to get a whole lot better, so there’s a decision you have to make for yourself. Fact is, our success is generally measured against clubs outwith the monoliths. You’ll need to find a way of dealing with that fact or go somewhere else for your kicks

 

Look at any major league in the world with monolithic clubs sweeping most of the prizes and name one second tier club who regularly wins things.

 

Dont come on here slaughtering our club like you have been since Sunday. Just log off, count to the highest number you can reach, have a think, and come back when your mind is right

Edited April 23 by JimmyCant

[Pingu]

Wrap up third, it's been a good season. Hit 70 points and it'll be a really good season.

 

One caveat is that the performances haven't always been as good as the results. We've struggled in the first half too often, and scraped quite a few narrow wins.

 

So definitely room for improvement and more progress next season.

[Nookie Bear]

19 hours ago, Sir PH said:

Exactly. And this garbage that we've won three trophies in 60 years, so just pipe down and be grateful for finishing 3rd and getting slapped aside in two semi's? Three trophies in 60 years is an utter disgrace for the third biggest club in the country. 180 odd attempts, and we've succeeded three times. Pitiful.

We can’t do anything about most of those 180 attempts, they’ve been and gone and very few people at the club were involved. 
 

It’s pretty clear that things are moving in the right direction. 
 

 

[Nookie Bear]

19 hours ago, Sir PH said:

Exactly. And this garbage that we've won three trophies in 60 years, so just pipe down and be grateful for finishing 3rd and getting slapped aside in two semi's? Three trophies in 60 years is an utter disgrace for the third biggest club in the country. 180 odd attempts, and we've succeeded three times. Pitiful.

Add another 10 years onto that and you can add 7 more trophies to the mix 🤷‍♂️

[Sir PH]

16 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

We’ve got 2 monolithic clubs in our league and cups, financially dwarfing everyone else. yes we’ve had chances and missed opportunities and 3 in 60 years can be looked upon as disappointing when you look at some of the chances. But it’s not an utter disgrace and it’s not pitiful. What’s more it’s probably not going to get a whole lot better, so there’s a decision you have to make for yourself. Fact is, our success is generally measured against clubs outwith the monoliths. You’ll need to find a way of dealing with that fact or go somewhere else for your kicks

 

Look at any major league in the world with monolithic clubs sweeping most of the prizes and name one second tier club who regularly wins things.

 

Dont come on here slaughtering our club like you have been since Sunday. Just log off, count to the highest number you can reach, have a think, and come back when your mind is right

I'll come on here and post what I like, when I like. Three trophies in 60 years is the very definition of underachievement. If you don't like it, then tough titty.

[Sir PH]

6 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

We can’t do anything about most of those 180 attempts, they’ve been and gone and very few people at the club were involved. 
 

It’s pretty clear that things are moving in the right direction. 
 

 

I never said we could do anything about them. But we've all witnessed absolute cup disasters down the years. 

[JimmyCant]

11 minutes ago, Sir PH said:

I'll come on here and post what I like, when I like. Three trophies in 60 years is the very definition of underachievement. If you don't like it, then tough titty.

Ahhh underachievement. That’s a better term than utter disgrace, pitiful and pathetic isn’t it. Underachieving I can just about agree with. Lucking a trophy every 7-10 years ought to be do-able. Blowing opportunities and losing when it seemed we could and should win and going down when you should really stay up isn’t reserved for us. You only need to look down Leith way to see that. Christ they’ve even got a word in the Oxford English Dictionary named after them ! It’s football. It’s not a robotic exact science where the 3rd club wins a share

Edited April 23 by JimmyCant

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, If carlsberg did rivals... said:

So, you're talking about me then? I was there when we lost 4-3 in a league cup final to the real Rangers, when we gave it a go against a Rangers team containing World class players not the journeymen they have now.

 

We also got beat 5- 1 in the sc final a year before from rangers.

3-0 at ht iirc?

 

Very selective.