Ked Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Are we or have there been greater ? Now I'm asking an open question because there is evidence of timescale that wipes out what we think we knew. What you lot think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Ked said: Are we or have there been greater ? Now I'm asking an open question because there is evidence of timescale that wipes out what we think we knew. What you lot think? Western civilisation? Yes, that’d be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 17 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Western civilisation? Yes, that’d be nice. Western civilisation? It would be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 14 minutes ago, been here before said: Western civilisation? It would be a good idea. Couldn’t remember the exact quote and a few bottles of wine in… thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 I mean civilisations before our ice age etc. The structures around the world, their precision etc. I'm asking if posters think there is merit to these ideas? Like Jim I was on the vino last night. My post mentioned timescales. We discover new knowledge all the time. Just wondered if anyone had views on this. The engineering of the pyramids and structures that align across continents is impressive to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 @Victorian will no doubt know squillions and billions about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) Some of the discoveries being made in Orkney at Brodgar look like re-writing a fair chunk of what historians previously thought regarding the timelines of ancient civilisations and how they moved. The recent TV documentary uncovered some items found at the same level as the dwellings which resembled similar items found in other parts of mainland northern Europe. Carbon-dating showed them to pre-date the believed era of Stonehenge. The method of moving enormous slabs of rock to create the standing stones & interior of the dwellings also suggests the people had experience of doing this stuff in Northern Europe. The team came to the conclusion that the ritual of creating standing stones at Stonehenge may well have originated with the settlers in Orkney. This also begged the question of how these people managed to cross the North Sea & Pentland Firth in the first place so far back in time. Fascinating stuff Edited March 21 by Lone Striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Our ancestors by all accounts were running about with clubs when this was built 🤔🧐 https://www.livescience.com/gobeklitepe-built-with-geometry.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Some of the discoveries being made in Orkney at Brodgar look like re-writing a fair chunk of what historians previously thought regarding the timelines of ancient civilisations and how they moved. The recent TV documentary uncovered some items found at the same level as the dwellings which resembled similar items found in other parts of mainland northern Europe. Carbon-dating showed them to pre-date the believed era of Stonehenge. The method of moving enormous slabs of rock to create the standing stones & interior of the dwellings also suggests the people had experience of doing this stuff in Northern Europe. The team came to the conclusion that the ritual of creating standing stones at Stonehenge may well have originated with the settlers in Orkney. This also begged the question of how these people managed to cross the North Sea & Pentland Firth in the first place so far back in time. Fascinating stuff It wasn't in SNP Ferries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, Dawnrazor said: It wasn't in SNP Ferries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, henrysmithsgloves said: I thank you😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, Dawnrazor said: I thank you😜 👍🏻👍🏻😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 54 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Some of the discoveries being made in Orkney at Brodgar look like re-writing a fair chunk of what historians previously thought regarding the timelines of ancient civilisations and how they moved. The recent TV documentary uncovered some items found at the same level as the dwellings which resembled similar items found in other parts of mainland northern Europe. Carbon-dating showed them to pre-date the believed era of Stonehenge. The method of moving enormous slabs of rock to create the standing stones & interior of the dwellings also suggests the people had experience of doing this stuff in Northern Europe. The team came to the conclusion that the ritual of creating standing stones at Stonehenge may well have originated with the settlers in Orkney. This also begged the question of how these people managed to cross the North Sea & Pentland Firth in the first place so far back in time. Fascinating stuff Recent evidence suggests the Sarson stones at Stonehenge (which originate in Wales) were actually part of an even earlier stone circle in Wales itself, and that they were moved at a later date to Stonehenge. On a general note, if you look at sea levels prior to the ice age you get an idea of the extent of ancient life that has been lost due to rising sea levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 No one knows who they were or what they were doing But their legacy remains Hewn into the living rock, of Stonehenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 4 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said: No one knows who they were or what they were doing But their legacy remains Hewn into the living rock, of Stonehenge Stonehenge? Where the demons dwell and where the banshees live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 The math involved the tools needed . If a comet hit the earth now not a planet killer but enough to set us back . What would remain of our knowledge? How would survivors evolve? Would a few thousand years see different technology? I also watched something that said we shouldn't be so advanced in the timescale. Anyway just shooting the breeze please don't jump on it . 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 On a general note the Persians invented zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said: No one knows who they were or what they were doing But their legacy remains Hewn into the living rock, of Stonehenge The standing stones at Callainish pre date Stonehenge by c2000 years. Likewise Clava Cairns are around 4 or 5000 years old, again far, far older than Stonehenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 The number of ‘manufactured’ artefacts discovered embedded in coal seams around the world, would suggest that humans have inhabited this planet far longer than we realise. Coal takes around 300 million years to form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 10 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said: No one knows who they were or what they were doing But their legacy remains Hewn into the living rock, of Stonehenge David St. Hubbins : I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem *may* have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being *crushed* by a *dwarf*. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object. Ian Faith : I really think you're just making much too big a thing out of it. Derek Smalls : Making a big thing out of it would have been a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 Just now, been here before said: The standing stones at Callainish pre date Stonehenge by c2000 years. Likewise Clava Cairns are around 4 or 5000 years old, again far, far older than Stonehenge. There's a knowledge that predates tools . I might take some flak here but faith and religion imo hold truths from history . Tales told probably and not giving it the God stuff but we are all coded . And .......I'll shut up 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 minutes ago, Ked said: On a general note the Persians invented zero. Coke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 Just now, Dawnrazor said: Coke? Not touched it in a year nate. Sorry for ranting buddy the subjects interesting. 😲 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, Cade said: David St. Hubbins : I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem *may* have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being *crushed* by a *dwarf*. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object. Ian Faith : I really think you're just making much too big a thing out of it. Derek Smalls : Making a big thing out of it would have been a good idea. I'm lost Cade. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Ked said: Not touched it in a year nate. Sorry for ranting buddy the subjects interesting. 😲 Have you had a wee drinky poos think Ked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said: Have you had a wee drinky poos think Ked? No mate. Just stone radge. Na mate a few cans . Hard day a couple makes ye merry. Right tough job the now mate. I've been watching a few things about structures because of it. It' brings my stuff into perspective . But no one can for certainty say how the structures in Egypt were build with such precision and the method . Even if you look at architecture from old Edinburgh as beautiful and skillful as the build was you can explain it. Hi you wake up 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 8 minutes ago, Ked said: I'm lost Cade. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, Ked said: No mate. Just stone radge. Na mate a few cans . Hard day a couple makes ye merry. Right tough job the now mate. I've been watching a few things about structures because of it. It' brings my stuff into perspective . But no one can for certainty say how the structures in Egypt were build with such precision and the method . Even if you look at architecture from old Edinburgh as beautiful and skillful as the build was you can explain it. Hi you wake up 😆 Champion 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Civilisation II was a masterpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 55 minutes ago, Ked said: On a general note the Persians invented zero. Rugs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 What about the stuff that's been found in Turkey https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/11/17/discovery-turkey-karahan-tepe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 13 minutes ago, henrysmithsgloves said: Rugs! No the concept of zero. A leap that seems so simple when taught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 20/03/2024 at 20:35, Ked said: Are we or have there been greater ? Now I'm asking an open question because there is evidence of timescale that wipes out what we think we knew. What you lot think? No danger the Egyptians built the pyramids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 4 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: What about the stuff that's been found in Turkey The frustrating but wonderful thing about knowledge is its never complete. Comforting and a thank fek moment for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 Just now, Greedy Jambo said: No danger the Egyptians built the pyramids. The precision . It's not just those structures but those alone are a wonder of construction. A miracle actually. There's no explanation. For the graft. But the precise mathematical wonder is proof of something. But fek knows what buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, been here before said: The standing stones at Callainish pre date Stonehenge by c2000 years. Likewise Clava Cairns are around 4 or 5000 years old, again far, far older than Stonehenge. I've been to the standing stones at Callainish and they're ****ing shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Bindy Badgy said: 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy head Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Ked said: The precision . It's not just those structures but those alone are a wonder of construction. A miracle actually. There's no explanation. For the graft. But the precise mathematical wonder is proof of something. But fek knows what buddy. Annunaki🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said: The number of ‘manufactured’ artefacts discovered embedded in coal seams around the world, would suggest that humans have inhabited this planet far longer than we realise. Coal takes around 300 million years to form. Have any of those reports ever been peer-reviewed or published by legitimate scientific research institutions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Have any of those reports ever been peer-reviewed or published by legitimate scientific research institutions? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, Ked said: There's no explanation. We may not have an explanation, but that's often the way with ancient history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, Ked said: 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're meant to wait for the punchline, Ked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 6 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said: The number of ‘manufactured’ artefacts discovered embedded in coal seams around the world, would suggest that humans have inhabited this planet far longer than we realise. Coal takes around 300 million years to form. Homo Sapiens has been around for about 300,000 years. How much longer are you suggesting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertarian Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Apparently the ancient Greeks invented a steam engine but only used it as a toy. Could you imagine where we would be now if the Greeks had developed it into a proper industrial tool. I suppose they had no need to when they had so many slaves to do the heavy lifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertarian Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 The Greeks also created an early computer the Antikythera mechanism an Ancient Greek hand-powered orrery (model of the Solar System), described as the oldest known example of an analogue computer[1][2][3] used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance.[4][5][6] It could also be used to track the four-year cycle of athletic games similar to an Olympiad, the cycle of the ancient Olympic Games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 4 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: Homo Sapiens has been around for about 300,000 years. How much longer are you suggesting? The earliest known occurance of Home erectus, who also used tools, was around 2 million years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus Quote Homo erectus is an extinct species of archaic human from the Pleistocene, with its earliest occurrence about 2 million years ago. Its specimens are among the first recognizable members of the genus Homo. Still a long way off 300 million years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 https://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/apr/14/archaeology.research Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertarian Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: Homo Sapiens has been around for about 300,000 years. How much longer are you suggesting? True, however around 70,000 years ago a new improved version of homo sapiens (us) appeared in Africa and in that relatively short time we have come to dominate the planet to the point where we are endangering the ecological system upon which we all depend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 25 minutes ago, redjambo said: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/apr/14/archaeology.research Ah well. So 300,000 years it is, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On British shores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happisburgh_footprints https://www.ancientpages.com/2017/03/08/rare-ancient-human-footprints-found-on-gower-peninsula-wales-are-7000-years-old/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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