HeartsandonlyHearts Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 3 hours ago, jr ewing said: Much prefer Oda. Oda is decent but not better than Vargas. Both are young so things could change quickly but right now Vargas for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, pettigrewsstylist said: Looked to me like Shanks was screaming "hit it" at Vargas. I thought the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 hours ago, jr ewing said: Better wide player. More consistent. Vargas isn’t a wide player though, eve just played him out of position a fair bit. Even being played out of position I think he’s better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 4 hours ago, innerjambo said: I hope a deal is announced soon, and there are no issues with an extended stay for him. I know we have the option to sign, and have said we want to keep him, but I thought it would have been done and dusted by now. Unless of course the club are deliberately waiting until the end of the season. I just hope there are no complications, but both parties would still have to agree a permanent deal and contract. Also there is the issue of his wife and his little boy being in Costa Rica, and how easily it would be to bring them over, if prepared to move. These things are normally formally confirmed at the end of the season. Everything is already pre-agreed as part of the loan arrangement, fee, contract etc. That’s how these loan deals work with an option to buy, all we have to do is formally trigger it which will be done at the end of the loan deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Oda does his share defending. Vargas not so much. Probably better asking whoever is playing behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 23 minutes ago, jr ewing said: Oda does his share defending. Vargas not so much. Probably better asking whoever is playing behind him. Nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 36 minutes ago, jr ewing said: Oda does his share defending. Vargas not so much. Probably better asking whoever is playing behind him. Both different type of players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 14 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Nonsense. Watch the Hibs game again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 12 minutes ago, jr ewing said: Watch the Hibs game again. Pass. I’ll take my completely subjective and now entrenched view over yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedoorsdown Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, jr ewing said: Much prefer Oda. Must be a troll 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Darkness Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said: I thought the same. Said the same to my son. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Threedoorsdown said: Must be a troll 😂 No, definitely Japanese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, jr ewing said: Oda does his share defending. Vargas not so much. Probably better asking whoever is playing behind him. He’s a forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) I reckon he's worthy... Edited March 13 by Gizmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 hours ago, Gizmo said: I reckon he's worthy... 🤣 brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 10 hours ago, jr ewing said: Watch the Hibs game again. That’s 1 game. Meanwhile the facts of who’s the more effective attacker: Yutaro Oda 36 appearances 4 goals 0 (zero) assists Vargas 33 appearances 7 goals 3 assists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 18 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: That’s 1 game. Meanwhile the facts of who’s the more effective attacker: Yutaro Oda 36 appearances 4 goals 0 (zero) assists Vargas 33 appearances 7 goals 3 assists I prefer Vargas at the moment, but it's worth pointing out he's played 450 minutes (equivalent to 5 full games) more than Oda despite having fewer appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, DC_92 said: I prefer Vargas at the moment, but it's worth pointing out he's played 450 minutes (equivalent to 5 full games) more than Oda despite having fewer appearances. Yes but there was nothing from Vargas in his first 10-15 games. So he has had 10 goal contributions, inside the last 20 appearances. He is rising to the challenge. His form is an arc of improvement. Whereas Oda is an inconsistent scattering here and there. Oda atm has not done anything on a consistent basis. Whereas Vargas, goalscorer in every round of the Scottish Cup so far, is actually within his grasp to become a Hearts legend if he scores in 2 more SC wins… unfortunately the standard of opposition is about to go up slightly from Morton Airdrie and Spartans ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I like Vargas and Oda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambo_Jambo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I think we might be setting up our team for a post Shankland world and a change in how we play up front. If you take out Shankland (I think we have to presume he's on his way in the summer) and have a front line of Forrest, Vargas and Oda with a hopefully settled Tagawa, we've got a very, very fast breaking forward line. My concern would be that against teams that sit in, we might struggle to have enough guile there to unlock a stuffy defence but with those 3 fliers involved, you can see a route to being a very very fast group to hit people on the counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacerjoe Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 12 minutes ago, Cambo_Jambo said: I think we might be setting up our team for a post Shankland world and a change in how we play up front. If you take out Shankland (I think we have to presume he's on his way in the summer) and have a front line of Forrest, Vargas and Oda with a hopefully settled Tagawa, we've got a very, very fast breaking forward line. My concern would be that against teams that sit in, we might struggle to have enough guile there to unlock a stuffy defence but with those 3 fliers involved, you can see a route to being a very very fast group to hit people on the counter. Dhanda, McKay and even Boyce (should ever get fit) can play that link up role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambo_Jambo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, spacerjoe said: Dhanda, McKay and even Boyce (should ever get fit) can play that link up role. Absolutely. With Dhanda being a bit of an unknown and both McKay and Boyce being long term injured, I didn't want to hang my hat on them but you're right that hopefully they, plus maybe another more technically gifted midfielder if Beni goes, would be enough to give us somebody that can find a killer pass or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feedtheroman2 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 It's probably been mentioned already but.. What is with Vargas's finishing? With the exception of the goal the other night, he can be a very frustrating player to watch when he's in positions where the ball should be going in the back of the net! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, Cambo_Jambo said: Absolutely. With Dhanda being a bit of an unknown and both McKay and Boyce being long term injured, I didn't want to hang my hat on them but you're right that hopefully they, plus maybe another more technically gifted midfielder if Beni goes, would be enough to give us somebody that can find a killer pass or two. How can Dhanda be an unknown? He was going to be our linchpin player after he scored against us at Xmas/New Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambo_Jambo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 32 minutes ago, davemclaren said: How can Dhanda be an unknown? He was going to be our linchpin player after he scored against us at Xmas/New Year. Hahaha. You're right. I forgot that he's immediately going to take us to the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, BigAlim said: I like Vargas and Oda Woah there horsey!!! You pick. You pick right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 36 minutes ago, feedtheroman2 said: It's probably been mentioned already but.. What is with Vargas's finishing? With the exception of the goal the other night, he can be a very frustrating player to watch when he's in positions where the ball should be going in the back of the net! Naismith talked about it post-match. He's already past the initial expectations they had for him. He's aware that his finishing is a work in progress and will improve with games and experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, BigAlim said: I like Vargas and Oda Is the right answer. Its annoying that we have to criticise one Hearts player to praise another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, BigAlim said: I like Vargas and Oda 2 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Is the right answer. It’s annoying that we have to criticise one Hearts player to praise another. This happens a lot on here, both good players for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Oda is more of winger, Who is asked to play as a inverted winger/Inside forward sometimes. Vargas is an inside forward/ centre forward asked to play on wing some times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 54 minutes ago, feedtheroman2 said: It's probably been mentioned already but.. What is with Vargas's finishing? With the exception of the goal the other night, he can be a very frustrating player to watch when he's in positions where the ball should be going in the back of the net! I always find the best defence of a striker when anyone says this is to quote the title of Malcom MacDonald's autobiography - 'Never Afraid To Miss'. And Kenneth Vargas clearly buys into this (though probably unaware of it) because he misses chances but keeps coming back for more (like Monday night). Notice his smile after that bad miss - he knows another chance will come his way and if he gets enough of them, he'll score. Lots of strikers, after a miss like Vargas', would have held themselves back at the 18 yard line, where, if the ball came to him, he could take a potshot that no one would blame him for putting wide, rather than to bust a gut to get alongside Shankland to pick up any scraps, and he did that brilliantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 19 minutes ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said: I always find the best defence of a striker when anyone says this is to quote the title of Malcom MacDonald's autobiography - 'Never Afraid To Miss'. And Kenneth Vargas clearly buys into this (though probably unaware of it) because he misses chances but keeps coming back for more (like Monday night). Notice his smile after that bad miss - he knows another chance will come his way and if he gets enough of them, he'll score. Lots of strikers, after a miss like Vargas', would have held themselves back at the 18 yard line, where, if the ball came to him, he could take a potshot that no one would blame him for putting wide, rather than to bust a gut to get alongside Shankland to pick up any scraps, and he did that brilliantly. its like what they said about Andrew "Andy" Cole, that he would get 10 chances in a game, miss 9 but score 1. Which sounds like awful finishing, but the difference is that he was getting him into positions to get those chances, something others wouldn't be able to. So even if you miss them you still get the one to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Goalscoring Knee Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: its like what they said about Andrew "Andy" Cole, that he would get 10 chances in a game, miss 9 but score 1. Which sounds like awful finishing, but the difference is that he was getting him into positions to get those chances, something others wouldn't be able to. So even if you miss them you still get the one to score Very similar to what Lineker said about making and timing runs to the back post. 98 times out of 100 the ball never reaches you, but the two other times it's a tap-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Goalscoring Knee Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 34 minutes ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said: Notice his smile after that bad miss - he knows another chance will come his way and if he gets enough of them, he'll score. Funny, I see his smile as more of an automatic nervous reaction, rather than him just laughing it off. I know I used to to it as a wee laddie when I got a bit overwhelmed by stuff. Hopefully the more composed he gets, the less we'll see of the smile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoH forever Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Some of his misses this season look to have been a case of him trying to smash everything so can only see him improving as he develops his composure as he is very good at getting into and creating space for himself. Take the one before his goal on Monday night, imo it needed to be guided as he was going to strike it. As it looks like he was going for power, inevitably it's going to rise but isn't helped by a bobble whereas if he chooses to place it, scores. Taking into account Naismith's comments have been with the sense he's ahead of schedule, that there's still a lot to come to what we've seen already, could be a very important player for us in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, feedtheroman2 said: It's probably been mentioned already but.. What is with Vargas's finishing? With the exception of the goal the other night, he can be a very frustrating player to watch when he's in positions where the ball should be going in the back of the net! Are you just going to conveniently forget his really good finishing too? Even strikers at the top level miss chances, it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 His finishing can be erratic but he has scored some lovely finishes, away to Livi and home to Motherwell & Ross County spring to mind. He does look to absolutely blooter the backside out the ball at times though when more composure is needed. This will come though and I would love him to be signed permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 His finishing will come good. He has a superb strike on him - real power in it. He also gets into good positions. Imagine how much more settled he will be next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Wee Kenny has been absolutely class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 hours ago, Gizmo said: I reckon he's worthy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 29 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said: Wee Kenny has been absolutely class. He really has been the last while. Genuinely think he's got the attributes to go far in the game. 4 or 5 year deal would be lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Yes but there was nothing from Vargas in his first 10-15 games. So he has had 10 goal contributions, inside the last 20 appearances. He is rising to the challenge. His form is an arc of improvement. Whereas Oda is an inconsistent scattering here and there. Oda atm has not done anything on a consistent basis. Whereas Vargas, goalscorer in every round of the Scottish Cup so far, is actually within his grasp to become a Hearts legend if he scores in 2 more SC wins… unfortunately the standard of opposition is about to go up slightly from Morton Airdrie and Spartans ! Both players scored their first goal on their 14th appearance for the club so I'm not sure about your first paragraph. Oda has a total of 4 Premiership goals from a total of 1,321 minutes and Vargas has 4 from a total of 1,319 minutes. Like I say, I probably prefer Vargas as a player but their records are very similar rather than being the clear cut difference implied by the stats you gave earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, The Goalscoring Knee said: Funny, I see his smile as more of an automatic nervous reaction, rather than him just laughing it off. I know I used to to it as a wee laddie when I got a bit overwhelmed by stuff. Hopefully the more composed he gets, the less we'll see of the smile! I know what you mean but his body language was pretty much shrugging it off (in a positive fashion). Of course, inside he would be mortified, but, as I suggest, he knew more chances would come (not necessarily in that game) and he'd put some of them away. Basically, he looks like a positive player, secure in his own ability, and isn't going to hide, because he's 'never afraid to miss'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Is it just me or does he actually look like Rudi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeDiouf Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, Gizmo said: His finishing will come good. He has a superb strike on him - real power in it. He also gets into good positions. Imagine how much more settled he will be next season. Yep. And at his age, he'll come back bigger stronger and fitter next year too. Think we'll sell him for a lot of money in a few years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 hours ago, BigAlim said: I like Vargas and Oda Nope, one has to be shite for the other to be good. Ofc, jkb rules allow for both to be shite, but both being good? It's an interesting concept, not sure it will catch on or even within jkb rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Goalscoring Knee Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said: Basically, he looks like a positive player, secure in his own ability, and isn't going to hide, because he's 'never afraid to miss'. Agree. Plays the game in the right frame of mind. Hopefully he'll go far with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 12/03/2024 at 19:41, HeartsandonlyHearts said: Oda is decent but not better than Vargas. Both are young so things could change quickly but right now Vargas for me. I regard one as a striker and one as a winger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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