JFK-1 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 The United States and Britain launched military strikes against targets in Houthi-controlled Yemen. MSNBC’s Ari Melber reports and is joined by foreign policy expert David Rothkopf and NBC’s Gabe Gutierrez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Firing missiles/drones at cargo/military ships in international waters. What do they expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam-Tart Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It's the Houtis (spelling?) what done it, they've been interfering with our joint genocide in Palestine and we've just decided enough is enough so we're now doing what we normally do and will continue to do, bomb the shit out of the innocent who are those who don't believe or disagree with our 'type' of democracy boom boom... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 27 minutes ago, Jam-Tart said: bomb the shit out of the innocent who are those who don't believe or disagree with our 'type' of democracy boom boom... What's our type of democracy? the type where we don't accept attacks on our shipping? Which democracy does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 About time. Hope they are all wiped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Posted this on the Israel thread but assuming there is a retaliation from Iran in the Strait of Hormuz which results in increases in oil and energy prices and inflation, and continued high interest rates, will folk still be bullish about this response? Of course, the US are net energy exporters so will be fine. Suspect the UK less so. A cease fire in Gaza from what I've read would be more likely to stop the attacks but obviously this hasn't been pushed by the US and UK. There is also the risk of a wider escalation of conflict with Iran (pushed by hawks like John Bolton) which would surely be a disaster. Iran and the Houthis aren't the good guys but no call to Congress and Parliament before carrying out military action which could lead to a wider Middle Eastern war, seems well, risky and potentially unlawful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Smash em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That thing you do Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 5 hours ago, Pap said: Firing missiles/drones at cargo/military ships in international waters. What do they expect? The ordinary people of Yemen been shooting ships? Because its mostly thenm we are killing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Russia demanding an urgent meeting with the UN to discuss the strikes. There was a vote on Wednesday between UN members to end the Houthis attacks on cargo ships, which Russia, and China abstained. No prizes for guessing their reaction to the strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Didn't take long for our Tut Tuts to pop up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozy dick the dooman Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Or you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Good to see Uncle Sam's wee lapdug get right in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 31 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Didn't take long for our Tut Tuts to pop up The tut-tuts want to go back to living in mud huts. Let’s stop protecting that damn shipping with goods that helps us live our lives…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: The tut-tuts want to go back to living in mud huts. Let’s stop protecting that damn shipping with goods that helps us live our lives…. Or just stop the genocide unfolding in Gaza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 The Houthi freedom fighters defending the women and children of Gaza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It’s all about the money, folks ! Every war is. Maersk had already made the decision to go around Africa with their shipping. Costs more of course, which will be passed on to us, obviously. Can’t have that though eh ! People might actually start to question wtf is going on ! Better to escalate the conflict. Do you think Hamas will be devastated by this development ? 🙄 Plan is going along swimmingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Hope the cuddly wee Houthis are all ok. 😪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I don't know how escalating the situation tenfold helps shipping in the red sea tbh. Will it deter the Houthis, Iran and Hezbollah? We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, Cruyff said: I don't know how escalating the situation tenfold helps shipping in the red sea tbh. Will it deter the Houthis, Iran and Hezbollah? We shall see. Maybe less squibs getting fired from the purple bit...pretty ****** up in that country also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 11 minutes ago, Cruyff said: I don't know how escalating the situation tenfold helps shipping in the red sea tbh. Will it deter the Houthis, Iran and Hezbollah? We shall see. The Houthis aren’t attacking shipping solely out of an empathy with Palestinians. That’s a bit naive. Not a dig at you btw. It’s a bigger thing really. To de-stabilise Western economies, which, in turn, creates division within those economies. I’d be flabbergasted if the Houthis are doing this off their own backs. Of course they’re not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 5 hours ago, Costanza said: Posted this on the Israel thread but assuming there is a retaliation from Iran in the Strait of Hormuz which results in increases in oil and energy prices and inflation, and continued high interest rates, will folk still be bullish about this response? Of course, the US are net energy exporters so will be fine. Suspect the UK less so. A cease fire in Gaza from what I've read would be more likely to stop the attacks but obviously this hasn't been pushed by the US and UK. There is also the risk of a wider escalation of conflict with Iran (pushed by hawks like John Bolton) which would surely be a disaster. Iran and the Houthis aren't the good guys but no call to Congress and Parliament before carrying out military action which could lead to a wider Middle Eastern war, seems well, risky and potentially unlawful? This in spades. More 'justification' for screwing every individual with higher energy costs. Business's dont want to take a hit on their profits do just pass every increase onto us, the consumer. No area is safe either as we've found out from basic needs like weekly shops, to insurances and even haircuts. No wonder more and more folk are spiralling into debt and depression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 4 minutes ago, OBE said: Maybe less squibs getting fired from the purple bit...pretty ****** up in that country also! Maybe aye, maybe naw. Just now, Boab said: The Houthis aren’t attacking shipping solely out of an empathy with Palestinians. That’s a bit naive. Not a dig at you btw. It’s a bigger thing really. To de-stabilise Western economies, which, in turn, creates division within those economies. I’d be flabbergasted if the Houthis are doing this off their own backs. Of course they’re not. It's organised and fully planned by Iran of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Self defence Pity they are not as defence minded with Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 25 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Maybe aye, maybe naw. It's organised and fully planned by Iran of course. Yip. Sunak in Kyiv is no coincidence either. A wee message to Putin and Iran there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 5 hours ago, Costanza said: Iran and the Houthis aren't the good guys but no call to Congress and Parliament before carrying out military action which could lead to a wider Middle Eastern war, seems well, risky and potentially unlawful? Risky, perhaps, but lawful under current US & UK conventions, as I understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Japan Jambo Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 The governments of Australia, Bahrain, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, the Republic of Korea, the UK and US just put out a joint statement. I find it interesting how we always seem to find ourselves in the hot seat when it comes to these international conflicts, yet he French always seem to steer a neutral course. I'm also intrigued as to how Egypt isn't involved in this either; their canal and the revenues associated with it are effectively being blockaded yet it's the yanks and the perfidious Albion yet again doing the heavy lifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 20 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: That will be the cost of fridge magnets and dishcloths going up now, this may effect the tartan tat shops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Saudi Arabia's stance is the most hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 21 minutes ago, Victorian said: Saudi Arabia's stance is the most hilarious. What have they done? Let me guess, have they bought the sponsorship rights to the bombing runs and disembowelled some random journo? Am I nearly right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 23 minutes ago, Victorian said: Saudi Arabia's stance is the most hilarious. Mmm…maybe not hysterical. Despicable more like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Klack Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 What do UK PM’s do when they are polling dreadfully and look likely to get punted at the next GE …. Yup, they get involved in a ‘war’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Anyway, the Houthis have been causing trouble for ages, and what did Kermit Starmer do to fix it? Nothing, that's what. Labour Party Shitebags. Time for change. Vote Cap'n Rishi. 🇬🇧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, Ulysses said: What have they done? Let me guess, have they bought the sponsorship rights to the bombing runs and disembowelled some random journo? Am I nearly right? Sounds like a mundane day at the office in Riyadh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 55 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: The governments of Australia, Bahrain, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, the Republic of Korea, the UK and US just put out a joint statement. I find it interesting how we always seem to find ourselves in the hot seat when it comes to these international conflicts, yet he French always seem to steer a neutral course. I'm also intrigued as to how Egypt isn't involved in this either; their canal and the revenues associated with it are effectively being blockaded yet it's the yanks and the perfidious Albion yet again doing the heavy lifting. I don't think the French are sailing (😉) a neutral course, they've got ships in there, but they're always quite careful to not be seen as doing the Americans bidding. I assume it's all political posturing. But the French are as, or possibly more active, around the globe than the UK is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 9 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Anyway, the Houthis have been causing trouble for ages, and what did Kermit Starmer do to fix it? Nothing, that's what. Labour Party Shitebags. Time for change. Vote Cap'n Rishi. 🇬🇧 Correct. Rishi and his cabinet have "come in" and are getting on with the job of delivering the peoples' priorities. Stop the drones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Attacking civilian shipping is nothing new in the middle east. Attacking it with missiles is new and a serious escalation. Civilian shipping in international waters has every right to be protected by the international community. Having said that, the fact that it's the UK and USA who are doing the protecting is a bit of a problem given their history in the region and their open support of the Israeli massacres in Gaza. But having said THAT, at least this time the UK and USA have a UN Resolution behind them, backing their actions. Unlike the last few times when they went off-grid and just acted because they felt like it. As usual when it comes to the Middle East, it's a mess and any action (or inaction) will just make things worse. There are no solutions in that part of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, Boab said: Yip. Sunak in Kyiv is no coincidence either. A wee message to Putin and Iran there. Straight out the Johnson playbook. Domestic or International shitshow on the horizon? You need a day trip to Kiev! Get the X-small camo gear on and look tough on TV Risible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, Boab said: Sunak in Kyiv is no coincidence either. A wee message to Putin and Iran there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said: Straight out the Johnson playbook. Domestic or International shitshow on the horizon? You need a day trip to Kiev! Get the X-small camo gear on and look tough on TV Risible. C'mon, Thor, the pantomime is contrived, obviously, but what are the strategic alternatives? Dinnae say 'stop backing the expantionist Jews', because that's just a sideshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: C'mon, Thor, the pantomime is contrived, obviously, but what are the strategic alternatives? Dinnae say 'stop backing the expantionist Jews', because that's just a sideshow. It's an election year my good man and nothing screams man of action like bombing the shit out of some random brown people. Supporting the expansionist Jews is a given though. Mind you it'll probably stimulate sales of planes and munitions to the Saudis too so the Tory backers will get a wee windfall before the Junta is launched out on it's ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: It's an election year my good man and nothing screams man of action like bombing the shit out of some random brown people. That's some weapons-grade, tunnel-visioned cynicism right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 9 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: That's some weapons-grade, tunnel-visioned cynicism right there. It's my super power - miserable cynical old **** 😎 Wee Rashid can feel the hot breath of Richard Tice and Nigel Farage on the back of his neck as they prepare to ram a Reform Party shaped dildo right up his Jimmy Carter! He'll do anything to keep the empty shell of the Tory party alive including turning a blind eye to genocide and cosplaying a statesman to bomb the shite out of a couple of dozen bedouins in a desert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerjames398 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 One of my best mates works as a sparky for the US navy in Djibouti on lemmerier camp,,bit worryin as one of the 1st and closest targets for Yemen to hit is the camp he's on,,mad ****er chasing the crazy money 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Cade said: Attacking civilian shipping is nothing new in the middle east. Attacking it with missiles is new and a serious escalation. Civilian shipping in international waters has every right to be protected by the international community. Having said that, the fact that it's the UK and USA who are doing the protecting is a bit of a problem given their history in the region and their open support of the Israeli massacres in Gaza. But having said THAT, at least this time the UK and USA have a UN Resolution behind them, backing their actions. Unlike the last few times when they went off-grid and just acted because they felt like it. As usual when it comes to the Middle East, it's a mess and any action (or inaction) will just make things worse. There are no solutions in that part of the world. That's fair, but to be honest, there are a lot of countries that are quite happy to sit in the background and let the UK and USA take the lead on these things, avoid the diplomatic complications and benefit from the safety said action might bring. The UK and USA can absolutely be criticised for a lot of things they've done, but a lot of other countries are also fairly sleekit at best or cowardly at worst with these things. NATO defence spending is a classic example of countries wanting the benefits without the responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: That's fair, but to be honest, there are a lot of countries that are quite happy to sit in the background and let the UK and USA take the lead on these things, avoid the diplomatic complications and benefit from the safety said action might bring. The UK and USA can absolutely be criticised for a lot of things they've done, but a lot of other countries are also fairly sleekit at best or cowardly at worst with these things. NATO defence spending is a classic example of countries wanting the benefits without the responsibility. Yup the old free-rider problem looms large yet again. If Trump gets in he may well eviscerate NATO as a result of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 19 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: That's fair, but to be honest, there are a lot of countries that are quite happy to sit in the background and let the UK and USA take the lead on these things, avoid the diplomatic complications and benefit from the safety said action might bring. The UK and USA can absolutely be criticised for a lot of things they've done, but a lot of other countries are also fairly sleekit at best or cowardly at worst with these things. NATO defence spending is a classic example of countries wanting the benefits without the responsibility. Correct. Which is why the UN resolution backing the strikes passed. Tacit support without doing the act yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, Howdy Doody Jambo said: That will be the cost of fridge magnets and dishcloths going up now, this may effect the tartan tat shops Every customer of Home Bargains and B&M will be cracking it now. Not much in these outlets not made in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: It's my super power - miserable cynical old **** 😎 Old? I had you pegged as a fresh faced youngster like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 41 minutes ago, Cade said: Correct. Which is why the UN resolution backing the strikes passed. Tacit support without doing the act yourself. The un should pay for it. They should openly put funds into it- you know , collective responsibility. Every nation benefits from the US and UK doing this. Trump was right- everyone should fund it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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