Aberdeen do indeed get shafted.

[Baxfee]

Should be 50-50 split and coin toss for ends. Totally pathetic and all cos of the west coast shite in charge 

[Shooter McGavin]

3 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

If Hampden capacity was 75k we wouldn’t sell more than 25k so how would that be equal or neutral? 

If my auntie had baws...

 

In reality, Hampden is 55k, and Aberdeen have a track record of sellling out their allocation for cup finals.

[The Treasurer]

3 hours ago, R9. said:

I am pretty sure if the final was Hearts v Aberdeen we would be wanting more tickets knowing they wouldn’t sell 22k we would be wanting around the 25k mark like Rangers have been giving.

It may well have ended up like that once demand had been met, but the point being both teams would have been given an equal split to start with, as would all other clubs if they were not playing against one of the arse cheeks 

[stirlo]

31 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

If Hampden capacity was 75k we wouldn’t sell more than 25k so how would that be equal or neutral? 

 

Against Gretna we had around 45k - and there may even have been a few Jambos in the Gretna section. In fact even Hibs were able to sell north of 35k when they played Livi in the league cup final.

 

This decision from the SFA sums up everything that's wrong with Scottish football. In most other countries an uneven split of tickets for a cup final would be a story for April 1st.

[Spitonastranger]

4 hours ago, theshed said:

To be honest nearly 20k will be enough for them so don’t know why they are complaining 

Because it is a cup final and should be equally shared, if they dont sell tickets then retiurn them. 

[Spitonastranger]

4 hours ago, frankblack said:

Why can't they toss a coin to decide which team plays at which end and gets the more fans?

Because the coin has king billy on one side and the pope on the other 

[Lido]

2 hours ago, Luckies1874 said:

The most relevant thing here is this: do they honestly want us to believe that these "operational challenges" would exist if the Old Firm were playing each other?!!! It's beyond laughable. Will they magically disappear in April or May when they end up meeting in the Scottish Cup? I would say that is an absolute cast iron certainty!

 

I accept this is not our club so easy for me to say but I really wish Aberdeen would make a significant and brave stance here, to be immediately backed by us and Hibs and the rest. I would be outraged if Hearts didn't stand with them in fact. Simply turn round and say this is not in the fairest interests of the match and in sport in general and we decline ALL tickets. The noise this would make, the negative coverage that would ensue and the embarrassment it would cause the sponsors etc, would be worth it. 

The difference is Rangers and Celtic are guaranteed to sell out. Would Aberdeen sell half the ground for this game? Maybe, maybe not. If Aberdeen started selling tickets from the half way line and didn't sell all their tickets, that's when problems arise. I've never seen the North stand segregated in any way apart from the split at the half way line. Think this is what they mean by operational challenges. 

[Polonia Gorgie]

This is an absolute disgrace!! It's total corruption and as a poster pointed out on page 1, this could have been decided by a coin toss, wonder what will happen at the next old firm final? 🤔

 

I wonder what type of a statement it would make if every non old firm fan, home and away stopped turning up to there games!! Really something now needs to happen. Scottish football is run by idiots!! It's so disrespectful to any club playing them at Hampden 

[Ex member of the SaS]

Would the solution not be a new stadium with segregation built in? Get building a new stadium around the Stirling area and make it fairly equal for all fans to travel similar distances? The fact the bigots just need to walk down the road with every other club's fans require transport costs.

[jamboozy]

16 minutes ago, Spitonastranger said:

Because the coin has king billy on one side and the pope on the other 

[Fozzyonthefence]

3 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

They are getting more tickets than we did for last Sunday. How many have we taken to recent finals? 

Strange argument given we couldn’t even sell what we got!  Semis and finals should always be 50/50 where both teams can sell out.  We’d never need a 50/50 split for a semi v either of the OF though but we would for a final.  Strangely, every team in the land has much more demand for tickets for a final compared to a semi. 

[Shooter McGavin]

5 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Strange argument given we couldn’t even sell what we got!  Semis and finals should always be 50/50 where both teams can sell out.  We’d never need a 50/50 split for a semi v either of the OF though but we would for a final.  Strangely, every team in the land has much more demand for tickets for a final compared to a semi. 

Folk defending this, or making arguments against Aberdeens stance, should be well aware that we'll no doubt be on the recieving end of this bulls*** for future semi's and cup finals.

 

A depressing state of affairs.

[RS86]

Home team gets more tickets. And choice of end. Wonder if they get to choose the ref too. 🤔

[south morocco]

6 minutes ago, RS86 said:

Home team gets more tickets. And choice of end. Wonder if they get to choose the ref too. 🤔

The whole set up is depressing and getting worse. Something needs to give but it won’t unless every club sticks together but we all saw how that went during Covid.

Edited November 9 by south morocco

[Fozzyonthefence]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Folk defending this, or making arguments against Aberdeens stance, should be well aware that we'll no doubt be on the recieving end of this bulls*** for future semi's and cup finals.

 

A depressing state of affairs.

I’m not arguing against Aberdeen’s stance at all, I totally agree with them, even says so in my post.  My point was more that I can’t understand us moaning about not getting 50/50 for a semi we never stood a chance of selling 50% of!  There is never any demand for over 20k tickets for our semis v Rantic even for the Scottish Cup.  Only exception was when we played at Murrayfield and sold 29k.

 

For Scottish Cup finals though I’m pretty sure we always get around 50/50 as, believe it or not, the SFA has historically taken a more sensible approach than the SPFL.  For League Cup finals, well we never reach them anyway and even when we did (St Mirren) we didn’t even sell out, although iirc we got an allocation in mid to late 20’s k?

Edited November 9 by Fozzyonthefence

[redjambo]

If Celtic and Rangers were playing, guaranteed there would be an even split. The bias is so blatant it's laughable. The OF have the SFA, the SPFL, the media, and all the other clubs in this country by the cojones. We're all gimps and do feck all about it.

[the posh bit]

8 hours ago, theshed said:

To be honest nearly 20k will be enough for them so don’t know why they are complaining 

 

This kind of thing happens in Scotland because so many people like you accept it. 

[Japan Jambo]

6 hours ago, TallPaul said:

Aberdeen would never in a million years sell 50% so not sure what they are moaning about.

 

not the point, it should be fair and equitable to all. No doubt they'll have the 'Rangers' end and their pick of referee too.

[Bull's-eye]

It should be 50/50.

No ifs buts or maybes.

 

These are also rules that should be sorted out before the season even starts.

 

As usual though, a blank canvas that can be manipulated to suit.

[Philfigo]

It's shouldn't matter what size of support you take to a semi final. The final should always be 50/50 to maintain sporting integrity. The Old firm are winning the battle of grinding down the rest into submission with a lot of help from SFA and SPFL. I honestly think the Scottish game will be dead within 10 years if the old firm don't leave. Realistically nobody now has a chance of wining anything. 

[Brick Tamland]

It isn't a surprise, the SFA and SPFL are run for the benefit of two clubs only, that is becoming more obvious every season. I despise both the bigot sisters equally, the bodies who run Scottish Football just as much and the pathetic excuse we have for sports journalists even more.

The clubs who swallow the bigot boaby for the bigot pound should take a long hard look at themselves, our game is shite but without bias in refereeing, journalism and in the offices of Hampden it could be fantastic. 

 

[south morocco]

38 minutes ago, Philfigo said:

It's shouldn't matter what size of support you take to a semi final. The final should always be 50/50 to maintain sporting integrity. The Old firm are winning the battle of grinding down the rest into submission with a lot of help from SFA and SPFL. I honestly think the Scottish game will be dead within 10 years if the old firm don't leave. Realistically nobody now has a chance of wining anything. 

 

1 minute ago, Brick Tamland said:

It isn't a surprise, the SFA and SPFL are run for the benefit of two clubs only, that is becoming more obvious every season. I despise both the bigot sisters equally, the bodies who run Scottish Football just as much and the pathetic excuse we have for sports journalists even more.

The clubs who swallow the bigot boaby for the bigot pound should take a long hard look at themselves, our game is shite but without bias in refereeing, journalism and in the offices of Hampden it could be fantastic. 

 

Two posts that are bang on. It’s like watching a car crash in slow motion.

[Boab]

1 hour ago, the posh bit said:

 

This kind of thing happens in Scotland because so many people like you accept it. 

Can I ask what you’re doing to not accept it ?

[GC81]

5 hours ago, Lido said:

If Aberdeen started selling tickets from the half way line and didn't sell all their tickets, that's when problems arise. I've never seen the North stand segregated in any way apart from the split at the half way line. Think this is what they mean by operational challenges. 

Aberdeen's proposal was they would get the allocation they have just now, but that half of the north stand would be left unsold. If Aberdeen sold out, they would get those tickets, if not then Rangers would.

 

Seemed a pretty fair suggestion to me.

 

According to Dave Cormack on Twitter, they also asked for there to be a toss of a coin to decide what ends both teams got, which I suspect probably got a few dinosaurs' at the SPFL's backs up.

[Japan Jambo]

8 minutes ago, GC81 said:

Aberdeen's proposal was they would get the allocation they have just now, but that half of the north stand would be left unsold. If Aberdeen sold out, they would get those tickets, if not then Rangers would.

 

Seemed a pretty fair suggestion to me.

 

According to Dave Cormack on Twitter, they also asked for there to be a toss of a coin to decide what ends both teams got, which I suspect probably got a few dinosaurs' at the SPFL's backs up.

 

they'd just wheel out the Glasgow police to play the public safety card.

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

The Saturday near the end of the season when one @$$ cheek loses the league is all we have to look forward too. It’s great knowing one set of fans will be feeling the same as the rest of us do pretty much all season. I love hearing them bitch about the unfairness of some bad officiating. GIRFUYSB.

[the posh bit]

30 minutes ago, Boab said:

Can I ask what you’re doing to not accept it ?

 

Yup, ask away. 👍

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

16 minutes ago, GC81 said:

Aberdeen's proposal was they would get the allocation they have just now, but that half of the north stand would be left unsold. If Aberdeen sold out, they would get those tickets, if not then Rangers would.

 

Seemed a pretty fair suggestion to me.

 

According to Dave Cormack on Twitter, they also asked for there to be a toss of a coin to decide what ends both teams got, which I suspect probably got a few dinosaurs' at the SPFL's backs up.

The backs up bit wouldn’t have happened until they stopped laughing.

”oh you were serious”

[Boab]

3 minutes ago, the posh bit said:

 

Yup, ask away. 👍

👍

Nothing then.

[hmfcbilly]

Just over 28k at the semi v hibs. Not sure how many Aberdeen fans were there but I doubt it was 19500. Can't really say I see the clamer for a 50/50 split given their season ticket base, semi sales etc. I'm no old firm sympathiser but, let's be honest, rangers allocation literally guarantees half their season ticket holders a ticket, Aberdeens guarantees every season ticket holder plus some walk ups 

[Montgomery Brewster]

Good. **** them. They had the chance to scrap the 11-1 voting pish and sided with the popes 11. ***** 

[Lido]

1 hour ago, GC81 said:

Aberdeen's proposal was they would get the allocation they have just now, but that half of the north stand would be left unsold. If Aberdeen sold out, they would get those tickets, if not then Rangers would.

 

Seemed a pretty fair suggestion to me.

 

According to Dave Cormack on Twitter, they also asked for there to be a toss of a coin to decide what ends both teams got, which I suspect probably got a few dinosaurs' at the SPFL's backs up.

Yes that would work but what if Aberdeen only sold an extra 1/2000 tickets for the North enclosure?

Not a good look. The authorities definately want a sell out and their proposal guarantees it. Its a difficult one.

[colinmaroon]

 

Aye, that Jamie McGrath isn't up to it. 

 

 

[Fozzyonthefence]

1 minute ago, colinmaroon said:

 

Aye, that Jamie McGrath isn't up to it. 

 

 

Had a shite game at Tynie didn’t you know so he can’t be any good. 

[Fozzyonthefence]

36 minutes ago, hmfcbilly said:

Just over 28k at the semi v hibs. Not sure how many Aberdeen fans were there but I doubt it was 19500. Can't really say I see the clamer for a 50/50 split given their season ticket base, semi sales etc. I'm no old firm sympathiser but, let's be honest, rangers allocation literally guarantees half their season ticket holders a ticket, Aberdeens guarantees every season ticket holder plus some walk ups 

They took 40k to a final against Ross County!  Semi attendance has nothing to do with it, neither team should get an advantage at final.  We only sold what was it, around 15k on Sunday?  Would you not be wanting 50/50 if we were in the final?

[Rannoch]

2 hours ago, Brick Tamland said:

It isn't a surprise, the SFA and SPFL are run for the benefit of two clubs only, that is becoming more obvious every season. I despise both the bigot sisters equally, the bodies who run Scottish Football just as much and the pathetic excuse we have for sports journalists even more.

The clubs who swallow the bigot boaby for the bigot pound should take a long hard look at themselves, our game is shite but without bias in refereeing, journalism and in the offices of Hampden it could be fantastic. 

 

“Swallowing the bigot boaby for the bigot pound”…quote of the year. Absolutely brilliantly sums up the sickening state of Scottish football.

[cazzyy]

8 hours ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

We don’t do League Cup finals so we’ll be fine! The SFA seem to do a fairer ticket split for their finals.

 

I've been to two so that's not true.

[Tott]

8 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

If Hampden capacity was 75k we wouldn’t sell more than 25k so how would that be equal or neutral? 

 

Aberdeen final in 86 we roughly had  40k fans..out of 63k

Not bad a for a team that lost the league a week before.

 

Gretna game was pushing 45k Hearts

 

The support is there,our bowling club mentality at boardroom level  has held us back since 1874.

[sprinbox98]

11 hours ago, TallPaul said:

Aberdeen would never in a million years sell 50% so not sure what they are moaning about.

of course they would. As would we. To think they wouldn’t sell out is ridiculous 

[GC81]

2 hours ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

They took 40k to a final against Ross County!  Semi attendance has nothing to do with it, neither team should get an advantage at final.  We only sold what was it, around 15k on Sunday?  Would you not be wanting 50/50 if we were in the final?

The best argument I've read so far against the SPFL taking the semi-final attendances into account, considering the games were in Glasgow, is "you're basically comparing Rangers' home support to Aberdeen's away support".

 

I do secretly think Aberdeen won't be that bothered though. I think they know 19,500 is probably fine enough for them considering the prices (£39 and £44 an ticket) and time of year. They can build up a grievance and siege mentality, and happily sell their allocation knowing they won't have the embarrassment of having to give any back.

[hmfcbilly]

7 hours ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

They took 40k to a final against Ross County!  Semi attendance has nothing to do with it, neither team should get an advantage at final.  We only sold what was it, around 15k on Sunday?  Would you not be wanting 50/50 if we were in the final?

They took 40k to a final they expected to win. Yes,id hope for a 50/50 split but I can see why the beaks divide the tickets the way that they do when you look at average attendance, previous rounds etc. Not saying I agree with it 

[soonbe110]

7 hours ago, Tott said:

 

Aberdeen final in 86 we roughly had  40k fans..out of 63k

Not bad a for a team that lost the league a week before.

 

Gretna game was pushing 45k Hearts

 

The support is there,our bowling club mentality at boardroom level  has held us back since 1874.

We sell significantly fewer when it’s the old firm.  Same with home matches against them, empty seats galore. 

[fila]

Only in Scotland would this happen 

[Oda be a JT]

Doesn’t matter if it’s Aberdeen, us, Hibs or Livingston the initial split should always be 50/50, wait till you see how sales are before altering it - if the OF get more tickets after that then that is FAIR…this shite every semi/final is simply not fair. This should be the case in any cup competition anywhere not just Scotland.

 

As mentioned I would love to see someone with a set of cohonnies stand up to them and refuse tickets/turn up - harsh on the players of course but would certainly get media coverage.

Edited November 10 by Oda be a JT
Typo

[Bazzas right boot]

16 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

If Hampden capacity was 75k we wouldn’t sell more than 25k so how would that be equal or neutral? 

 

Evrn in that case, we should still be offered half, then if we don't sell out, the remainder to the other club.

 

Every team should be offered then if  accepted the chance to sell as close to a 50/50 split as possible for a neutral venue.

 

 

[Fozzyonthefence]

1 hour ago, hmfcbilly said:

They took 40k to a final they expected to win. Yes,id hope for a 50/50 split but I can see why the beaks divide the tickets the way that they do when you look at average attendance, previous rounds etc. Not saying I agree with it 

That’s true and I don’t know if they have the same reduction in demand that we do for finals against either of the OF.  We also sold 40k v Gretna but struggled to sell a 50/50 split v Celtic. 

[Nookie Bear]

11 hours ago, hmfcbilly said:

Just over 28k at the semi v hibs. Not sure how many Aberdeen fans were there but I doubt it was 19500. Can't really say I see the clamer for a 50/50 split given their season ticket base, semi sales etc. I'm no old firm sympathiser but, let's be honest, rangers allocation literally guarantees half their season ticket holders a ticket, Aberdeens guarantees every season ticket holder plus some walk ups 

 

Then the issue is with the capacity of Hampden. People are missing out when there is a stadium that holds 15k more in Edinburgh.

[Zico]

**** them, this is what they voted for. 

[Fozzyonthefence]

9 minutes ago, Zico said:

**** them, this is what they voted for. 

I think it was a change to the 11-1 voting set up (which wouldn’t affect decisions on ticket splits), and didn’t we abstain anyway?

[i8hibsh]

Regardless of quality, I am sure we all know the OF are far superior to any other team in scotland but every single semi final and final is a home game for them, they even have their own comfortable end.  Throw in the fact that they for some ****ed up reason always get more ticket allocation it really does expose these rats for the corrupt shit stain that they are.

 

Before a ball is klicked they are at an advantage.

 

The sooner every club starts a breakaway league and association the better.  Let these two shit smears on Scotland play each other 38 times.

 

For years the SFA would justify it by the "The Old Firm get bigger attendences week in week out so it is based on that" chat, well this can be shot down in one simple sentence:

 

Celtic get 10k more than Rangers every home game yet it is always 50/50 in an OF Hampden game.