*** Official St Mirren v Heart Of Midlothian thread ***

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, Chimp said:

 

If he has shouted for it then he absolutely can take a lot of the blame. Who knows though, lack of or poor communication contributed to it either way.

Not for me, that's defensive insanity with or without a shout IMO.

 

I did wonder if he'd misheard a shout, and of course, in a split second it's easy to choose the wrong option, but in those circumstances leaving the ball is mental.

[pettigrewsstylist]

1 hour ago, Batistuta87 said:

Watched the highlights again this morning and the more I see their first goal the worse it looks. WTF were Kent and Clark doing?? Kent was in a good position to block the cross at the front post and if he'd stayed where he was it would have hit off him and gone out for a corner - why on earth did he step back and let it go? Did he think he was inside the post and would have scored an OG? It was as if he'd had a shout from the keeper, but then the keeper didn't react like someone who had shouted to claim it for himself and didn't deal with it either... Very poor  

Clark seems to lift his hand in apology immediatley after?

[pettigrewsstylist]

1 hour ago, ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS said:

 

If god almighty had shouted to leave it, Kent still should have cleared it. That's not a ball you let go.

Totally. Chasing possesion in dangerous areas and making mistakes under pressure in those areas, as St Huddies stated was their gameplan. 7 mins we lasted.

Amateur hour.

[Heartbeat]

2 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Clark seems to lift his hand in apology immediatley after?

Yes agree was right behind goal and Clark shouted and it was left then Clark didn’t gather. yes he did on more than one occasion put an apologetic hand up, so that’s Dundee this season and he threw two in v killie end of last season and generally not confident on crosses and punches when could easily catch. Not knee jerk but if Gordon not coming back anytime soon it’s time for Michael McGovern to get a try. Two of our three losses this season would have been draws without ZC Mistakes, however doesn’t address the lack of creativity in midfield and struggling to threaten opposition goalkeeper

[pettigrewsstylist]

2 minutes ago, Heartbeat said:

Yes agree was right behind goal and Clark shouted and it was left then Clark didn’t gather. yes he did on more than one occasion put an apologetic hand up, so that’s Dundee this season and he threw two in v killie end of last season and generally not confident on crosses and punches when could easily catch. Not knee jerk but if Gordon not coming back anytime soon it’s time for Michael McGovern to get a try. Two of our three losses this season would have been draws without ZC Mistakes, however doesn’t address the lack of creativity in midfield and struggling to threaten opposition goalkeeper

To be honest, on another day we lose 3 zip on Sat. We got away with one at 1-0 only.

[Batistuta87]

31 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Clark seems to lift his hand in apology immediatley after?

Very poor from Clark if he's shouted on it. If he shouts he HAS to claim it. 

Still poor from Kent as mentioned above. Clear your lines at the near post no matter what your keeper says. 

 

[Ex member of the SaS]

21 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

Very poor from Clark if he's shouted on it. If he shouts he HAS to claim it. 

Still poor from Kent as mentioned above. Clear your lines at the near post no matter what your keeper says. 

 

Have to disagree in as much as if the keeper shouts it's far better for him to collect the ball than boot it for a throw in or corner. IMHO Clark is 100% to blame for that goal. Without a shout than yes the defender should have dealt with it.

[Batistuta87]

45 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Have to disagree in as much as if the keeper shouts it's far better for him to collect the ball than boot it for a throw in or corner. IMHO Clark is 100% to blame for that goal. Without a shout than yes the defender should have dealt with it.

If that's me I'm going to deal with it anyway and give the keeper a quick tap to apologise. I'd rather not risk someone nipping in between myself and the keeper when I know for 100% sure that I can prevent the goal. 

Opinions though mate  

 

[combo74]

3 hours ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

I have waited a bit before posting as I know most will disagree, but for me Shankland and Boyce are not good enough! There I've said it! Whether it's because they can't play together or they are too comfortable knowing they won't be dropped I can't tell. Shankland drops too deep and is never in the box for the knock on ( yes he score penalties, but we can't rely on getting one every game ) and Boyce does well but can't make a decision, should have shot when he had the chance instead of passing off to the winger.

We need a proper striker or two and a proper manager ( yes I thought Naismith could do a job, but I am now of the opinion he can't get these players to do what he says he does ) too slow and too many passes and still little forward movement. We need a complete shake up from top to bottom and God knows what our FoH rep does as there is no communication of what the fans want to see on the pitch.

I’m with you on this and have been for a few weeks. Both are technically good players in their own right, but I don’t think playing both together works. They both drop deep on a regular basis, which leaves us short up front and neither have any pace, which means they are relatively easy to mark/close down. Shankland looks off it at the moment, for whatever reason, and Boyce’s finishing ability and the ability to strike a clean ball seems to have deserted him. It may seem tough to drop one of them, but for the good of the team I think we have to…in saying that the loss of McKay, Oda and Tagawa has clearly left us short of options.

 

The above 3 (along with the departure of Gino), has taken so much pace out of the team and that’s hurting us.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

Highlights, aplogies if posted already; how is that not a handball at 2:16?

 

 

[Jingle Bells]

On 24/09/2023 at 21:13, Hearts1975 said:

It does sound like a lot of in-field decision making type drills. Interesting indeed. 

 

Another poster made a good point the other day where he said that most of the time, goals, come from turnovers in the opposition half, and dispossessing the other team, most notably from initiating a press. 

 

When we eventually get the ball into the opposition half, we are almost always carrying the ball in there, and are met with 10 men defending behind the ball. 

 

High possession statistics game on game but although the opposition in most cases have between 30-40% of the ball, they always seem to be creating far more chances than we do. 

 

The other teams seem to plan for getting the ball and creating chances in one box and defending their box, and we seem to plan for having most of the ball and when it doesn't work, and we don't make enough chances in the game, it's always stated that we didn't make the right "decisions" when we had the ball. 

 

We need a system where we almost need to remove that individual decision making from the players, as it's patently obvious that in the majority of games we just aren't capable of doing what the manager is asking of the players.

 

I wish we would try something different rather than continually try and bridge the obvious deficiencies when it comes to playing one football philosophy, and one football philosophy only. 

 

 

 

I agree with you 1975 and would add the following;

 

I'd say we haven't had a Head Coach who can improve players since Sergio, although Stendhal given more time might have done so too.

 

It would be good to have a clever coach who looks at what talent we have and then fashions a system/team to accommodate them all rather than slavishly copying what happens in the EPL ,which results in us playing a third rate version of it because we don't have the quality of player to play it properly i.e. Neilson and wing-backs for instance.

 

I think Levein thought players could be  manufactured and having everyone playing the exact same way throughout the Club would bring better results, however playing systems don't last long before an astute Manager finds a way to beat them. Better to look for the best talent available  and take it from there as players need to be adaptable nowadays imho.

I mention Levein as we still following this football blue print for the Club and his "principles of play" manual.

 

Do we do enough "training with the ball"? Probably not.

 

Another thing that bugs me is for years now we have never set up a team to play to a Striker strengths, they are normally just an after thought. We now seem to be wrecking Shanklands' game too.

 

Its funny how football goes in circles . Wingers used to hit the bye line  and put in crosses as its the hardest cross to defend, then wingers cutting inside was the vogue and now the top EPL teams are back to having their wingers hitting the bye line and putting in crosses.

 

Our main problems I feel at present are that we have replaced a speedster in Ginnelly with a slow coach in Boycie as a number 10,,  As soon as he came back into the team our play went back to being ponderous. We haven't got anybody prepared to shoot from distance either. We need to shoot more.. 

I'm not having a go at Boyce as he is a good six yard penalty box striker but playing out of position..

 

Hopefully the football gets better soon.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Jingle Bells

[Hearts1975]

3 hours ago, Jingle Bells said:

 

I agree with you 1975 and would add the following;

 

I'd say we haven't had a Head Coach who can improve players since Sergio, although Stendhal given more time might have done so too.

 

It would be good to have a clever coach who looks at what talent we have and then fashions a system/team to accommodate them all rather than slavishly copying what happens in the EPL ,which results in us playing a third rate version of it because we don't have the quality of player to play it properly i.e. Neilson and wing-backs for instance.

 

I think Levein thought players could be  manufactured and having everyone playing the exact same way throughout the Club would bring better results, however playing systems don't last long before an astute Manager finds a way to beat them. Better to look for the best talent available  and take it from there as players need to be adaptable nowadays imho.

I mention Levein as we still following this football blue print for the Club and his "principles of play" manual.

 

Do we do enough "training with the ball"? Probably not.

 

Another thing that bugs me is for years now we have never set up a team to play to a Striker strengths, they are normally just an after thought. We now seem to be wrecking Shanklands' game too.

 

Its funny how football goes in circles . Wingers used to hit the bye line  and put in crosses as its the hardest cross to defend, then wingers cutting inside was the vogue and now the top EPL teams are back to having their wingers hitting the bye line and putting in crosses.

 

Our main problems I feel at present are that we have replaced a speedster in Ginnelly with a slow coach in Boycie as a number 10,,  As soon as he came back into the team our play went back to being ponderous. We haven't got anybody prepared to shoot from distance either. We need to shoot more.. 

I'm not having a go at Boyce as he is a good six yard penalty box striker but playing out of position..

 

Hopefully the football gets better soon.

Great post. Completely agree with this.

 

[KG1874]

On 23/09/2023 at 08:06, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I love your attitude but have you ever visited planet Earth?

Aye nae more predictions from that’s me 0-3 for the season