Dogs - the other side.

[FWJ]

Dogs are animals and you can’t reason with them.

Some of them have the potential to be very dangerous animals indeed.

 

Just as well the big Spanish mastiff-cross was in a good mood.  Wouldn’t like to be near it if it wasn’t.

[JFK-1]

10 minutes ago, PTBCAL said:

My dog doesn’t go on a lead. She is well trained and as docile as possible. Never bared her teeth ever. She’s a wee Lhasa Apso mind and just wants to eat. And say hello to everyone. A 20 minute walk takes a fecking hour 🤦‍♂️

 

Made a better job of her than I did with the kids 🙂

 

All the dogs I have ever had even when growing up could walk to heel, didn't need a leash. At 10 years old I was given the responsibility/chore of taking our 6 month old pup to training school, one night a week a couple of hours on a Thursday.

 

I was pissed off with that when first told, I spend all bloody day in a school I don't want to be in, you're making me go to a dog school too?

 

But it turned out this was interesting stuff and fun too, the dog learned all the basics quickly, he could walk to heel fairly well by the end of the first session and I took him there for another 6 months before he sort of graduated.

 

It was easy to train that dog, and wouldn't have taken 6 months, I had to see out the 6 months because it wasn't my choice to make, that was my parents. Who in part aside from wanting a trained dog probably just wanted me out of the way for a couple of hours each week. 

 

With dogs of my own I didn't really need the classes anymore, they had taught me how to do it. But I decided the classes were a useful thing in their first year of life to not just train them but socialise them with groups of people and other dogs.  

[JFK-1]

6 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Watch out for rescue greyhounds, lurchers, or podenco’s that are off the lead. These guys have massively strong hunt instinct and small furry dogs are like catnip to them. My ex had a rescue greyhound and he was a great dog, big lazy soft bugger but get him out in the country or a big park and he had laser focus if he saw a rabbit and he had chased small dogs before. Luckily she, like most owners, had the good sense to have a muzzle of some sort on him. 

 

I have seen greyhounds kill small dogs on multiple occasions, it's horrifying, NEVER trust them. A greyhound should absolutely NEVER be off a leash.

 

This isn't to say they're bad dogs, they're simply doing what we bred them to do.

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

 

This isn't to say they're bad dogs, they're simply doing what we bred them to do.

This, you can't breed that intense prey drive into a dog, of any breed, and not expect the dog to act on it.

[Cade]

100% down to the owners.

Arseholes that refuse to properly train a dog, or to get training themselves in how to care, handle and look after a dog are the problem.

I'm leaning towards dog owners needing to be vetted (no pun intended) and to have to pass a course in order to be allowed to get a dog.

 

It's not just schemie wanks who look on staffie types as a status symbol (or worse, a weapon).

It's not just clueless people that let their dogs jump on people and never bother to train the animal.

It's owners that also don't stop their kids from annoying their dogs, then wonder why the dog bit their kid.

It's also owners that get a highly bred dog like a Greyhound or a Mastiff and don't know how to control their breed traits.

Dogs have to be trained.

And humans need to be taught to look after them.

 

I know someone who had a rescue lurcher and didn't bother to get any advice on how to deal with them.

The key was to have the dog on a muzzle with the leash attached to the muzzle so you could turn the head away from what it was fixated on.

You could also have a chest harness so you could pull the dog off it's front paws if it went for something.

And you have to know the signs of a trigger and be ready to react.

Dogs like that have a strongly in-built trigger system and you'll never train it out of them. You as the owner have to take control.

My friend didn't. They loosened the muzzle because "the dog always whined with the muzzle done tight" and so of course the dog just pulled his way out of the muzzle down the park one day and killed two small dogs.

End result was three dead dogs and a heartbroken friend.

All because they couldn't be arsed to learn how to deal with their dog.

Edited June 5, 2023 by Cade

[luckydug]

Love dogs and cats and animals in general. 

If people aren't prepared to look after their pets properly they shouldn't be allowed to have them. 

That means picking up the dog poo and putting it in a bin, taking the dog walkies no matter the weather and above all put your dog on a leash near traffic. 

Do all these things and folk like the OP can't complain. 

 

[JFK-1]

13 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

This, you can't breed that intense prey drive into a dog, of any breed, and not expect the dog to act on it.

 

I should have added greyhounds should always be on a leash outside and muzzled. 

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I should have added greyhounds should always be on a leash outside and muzzled. 

I'd have law that all dogs, if not working dogs, should be leashed and muzzled in public.

[JFK-1]

And just to bring a little humour and a football element to it, some dogs just like some people just can't control themselves on occasion. Even when highly trained, check out this police dog assigned to a football match.

 

 

 

[henrysmithsgloves]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

They really are . They are so chilled , lazy and Just dont give a fevk . I would get one but I’ve got serious sinus issues so not sure if advisable . 

Get one of these,no hair to worry about 🤣

[Debut 4]

Maybe in this day and age of media saturation we hear of all the attacks as opposed to yesteryear?   The amount of dogs roaming the streets where I grew up in the 80s is something you probably don’t see now.

 

Some right mad and volatile dogs but none were of the danger dog (as they are branded) variety. The introduction of that type happened later as I can’t remember staffies or other similar types pre 90s. Certainly not as common or as many as you see now.  

 

Back then, people just opened their doors and let their dogs patrol the streets.  Not every dog was dodgy but many were.  Got chased many times but gladly and luckily never got bitten.   
 

Put me off having a dog for years and years as my other half pushed the issue since we got together in the early 90s.  Only relented in 2018 when we got a wee Jug after weeks of pressure from the Mrs and my two kids.

 

Love the thing to bits but I still find myself wary of certain types of dog. I never thought I’d be like that but the fear of some things just stays with you.  

[JFK-1]

7 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

I'd have law that all dogs, if not working dogs, should be leashed and muzzled in public.

 

I wouldn't have a problem with muzzles in designated areas, walking the streets etc. But I don't think that could be applied for anyplace at all outside the home. For just one thing They like to fetch things, we like to throw things for them to fetch, it's part of their lifestyle and their bond with us. They can't do that muzzled, they can't root around getting their nose right into everything as they like to.

 

Plus, muzzle everything? I pretty much wouldn't care if I saw someone approaching me with an unmuzzled chihuahua, and those can be little devil dogs. Plus there's the thing that it would punish the vast majority of digs who will never hurt anyone unmuzzled. And punish owners too, while I would if I had to I wouldn't like to inflict a muzzle on my dog.

 

The leash most definitely. Even though my dogs have always been trained and didn't need a leash in certain places I still kept him on a leash. Because I don't know what may startle him, backfiring car or something? Would he be startled and run into traffic? That type of thing. I take no chances no matter how well trained they are.

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

You can work your away around the swear filter but they will catch you and  give you a reprimand, I’ve had a few 😜. 

 

I wasn't bypassing the swear filter, it was a joke - a culture that eats dogs being a yoghurt culture with bad bacteria.

 

There's loads of swearing in pictures on here too, it's so randomly puritanical!

 

Hey ho, it was funny to me

[Unknown user]

46 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I have seen greyhounds kill small dogs on multiple occasions, it's horrifying, NEVER trust them. A greyhound should absolutely NEVER be off a leash.

 

This isn't to say they're bad dogs, they're simply doing what we bred them to do.

There's a lassie wanders around Bo'ness with an unleashed greyhound, I've seen her the last couple of times I've been down the shore there. It's a really nice looking dog and very well behaved, in fact over timid if anything from what I've seen. I spoke to her about him, she said he was a former racer from Fife rescue and he's never any bother, sits outside shops waiting for her and that.

[JFK-1]

6 minutes ago, Smithee said:

There's a lassie wanders around Bo'ness with an unleashed greyhound, I've seen her the last couple of times I've been down the shore there. It's a really nice looking dog and very well behaved, in fact over timid if anything from what I've seen. I spoke to her about him, she said he was a former racer from Fife rescue and he's never any bother, sits outside shops waiting for her and that.

 

I wouldn't doubt it, but I think it's plain from my posts across dog threads i'm a dyed in the wool dog lover, and I just don't trust greyhounds. I have seen more attacks on other dogs by greyhounds than any other breed.

 

The only dogs I have ever seen killed by another dog was by greyhounds, three times I have seen it. One of the times two little yorkies belonging to the same elderly lady were killed at the same time. They're truly dangerous dogs around small dogs. 

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I wouldn't doubt it, but I think it's plain from my posts across dog threads i'm a dyed in the wool dog lover, and I just don't trust greyhounds. I have seen more attacks on other dogs by greyhounds than any other breed.

 

The only dogs I have ever seen killed by another dog was by greyhounds, three times I have seen it. One of the times two little yorkies belonging to the same elderly lady were killed at the same time. They're truly dangerous dogs around small dogs. 

 

I don't doubt you, I know very little about them myself. 

[graygo]

3 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

Dogs in general are a lot less malevolent than people are, any breed can be raised responsibly by responsible people.

 

And without them there's a theory we may not have our society at all, some researchers think they were they key to settling down to farming. Without them the theory speculates we may still be hunter gatherers, as we were for a million years before farming.

 

[JFK-1]

4 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

 

I don't understand hat you're highlighting that for.

[graygo]

8 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I don't understand hat you're highlighting that for.

 

Sorry, I just found the notion that "we" were around for a million years before farming a bit far out. I do think i know what you meant though. 

[JFK-1]

15 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Sorry, I just found the notion that "we" were around for a million years before farming a bit far out. I do think i know what you meant though. 

 

I agree the time spans are staggering in terms of a human lifetime, but our ancestors were indeed around well over a million years ago crafting stone tools to assist in their life of hunting and gathering, the stone age lasted millions of years.

 

The most common tool for all that time was a stone hand axe. Good for everything I suppose, cutting, chopping, bashing. And relatively easy to make. Though I bet we would struggle to make one. 😉

 

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/stone-tools/early-stone-age-tools

[graygo]

2 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I agree the time spans are staggering in terms of a human lifetime, but our ancestors were indeed around well over a million years ago crafting stone tools to assist in their life of hunting and gathering, the stone age lasted millions of years.

 

The most common tool for all that time was a stone hand axe. Good for everything I suppose, cutting, chopping, bashing. And relatively easy to make. Though I bet we would struggle to make one. 😉

 

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/stone-tools/early-stone-age-tools

 

Aye, I now realise it looked like I was laughing at your post when I probably should have used this 😲

 

Even more mind boggling for me is that I remember reading somewhere that humans have only been around for less than 1% of the time the Earth has been around. 😲

[JFK-1]

5 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Aye, I now realise it looked like I was laughing at your post when I probably should have used this 😲

 

Even more mind boggling for me is that I remember reading somewhere that humans have only been around for less than 1% of the time the Earth has been around. 😲

 

Yeah I would say comfortably less, 1% the estimated age of the earth would be around 45 million years or so at most, and we have been around nothing like that long. That would be about 20 million years after the demise of the dinosaurs, who incidentally dominated the planet for around 160 million years prior to aw crap there's a big rock coming in fast.

 

And if that rock hadn't come in, we wouldn't be here at all.  

[Ulysses]

5 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Aye, I now realise it looked like I was laughing at your post when I probably should have used this 😲

 

Even more mind boggling for me is that I remember reading somewhere that humans have only been around for less than 1% of the time the Earth has been around. 😲

 

Modern humans have been around for in or about 300,000 years.  Dogs are a very modern creature.  They were probably domesticated sometime between 20 and 25 thousand years ago, and it would have been another 10 to 15 thousand years before humans developed farming and settled.  

[Ulysses]

6 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Following another long thread idolising man's best friend I will risk unprecedented hatred by saying I do not like dogs. Nor cats for that matter. Five people have died in the last few days from dog attacks. One incident in which the police shot a dog after it had attacked a women resulted in a 1.5 million plus petition condemning the police. Like the majority of other cases the owner was illegally in charge of a dog due to its breed or previous incidents. 

Now I recognise the owner rather than the dog is mostly to blame but the culture seems to be that dogs are never to blame. 

And if a pub is dog friendly I avoid it.

And I feel.sorry for the poorly paid council workers who have to empty bins of little plastic bags of dog shit. Or pick them off the pavement when the owner has either missed the bin or not bothered to find one.

 

There's an Irish-language proverb which says "Múineadh an mhadra, múineadh an teaghlaigh", or "The dog's manners shows the household's manners".  Like you, I think the owners rather than the dogs are mostly to blame when you see badly behaved dogs.  But I admit that there are some breeds I just can't bring myself to like or trust.

 

[Tazio]

A chronology of bam’s dugs since I was a kid. 
Alsatian

Doberman

Rottweiler 

Pit Bull

Staffie

 

[JFK-1]

18 minutes ago, Tazio said:

A chronology of bam’s dugs since I was a kid. 
Alsatian

Doberman

Rottweiler 

Pit Bull

Staffie

 

 

I can remember the phasing out process for the pit bulls and the cops were right on top of it for some years. Any pit bull seen by cops the owner was stopped and checked to make sure it had been registered and neutered. Better than a sort of pit bull holocaust.

 

And yes it was I think pretty much 100% bams owning them. 

[il Duce McTarkin]

4 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

There's an Irish-language proverb which says "Múineadh an mhadra, múineadh an teaghlaigh", or "The dog's manners shows the household's manners".  Like you, I think the owners rather than the dogs are mostly to blame when you see badly behaved dogs.  But I admit that there are some breeds I just can't bring myself to like or trust.

 

 

I see greyhounds getting bad press here.

My brother has a greyhound. He brought it over from Ireland. I have a cousin there who is a vet there, and she had come into possession of this dog as a puppy after it was abandoned when its owners saw little value in it as a racing dog (fast AF but too stupid to run in a straight line, apparently).

He had a lot of the traits of a greyhound, and would run for hours off the leash. He was no problem around other animals until an encounter with a stag left him needing life-saving surgery and reconstruction of two limbs. He recovered well but doesn't have the capacity for the type of exercise his breed requires, and can still be in a bit of pain. This led to him becoming a bit barky around other dogs as he tried to reassert himself, but that settled down when he got de-balled. Around humans, a more placid dog you could not meet. My kids have been taught to be gentle and to give him peace when he shies away. He's a lovely natured animal and I don't see the dangers detailed above.

[AlimOzturk]

Owned mostly pitbulls and staffies and can honestly say hand on heart they are the friendliest dogs I have ever owned. Even had ones deemed unsafe and aggressive and they where just simply not. They react to their environments. 
 

Humans kill and injure more people than dogs do. Should we just stop having kids?

 

Dogs are wonderful companions. Same as cats. 

 

 

[whodanny]

Jess the Jambo says hi to FA.

 

[Tazio]

3 hours ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

I see greyhounds getting bad press here.

My brother has a greyhound. He brought it over from Ireland. I have a cousin there who is a vet there, and she had come into possession of this dog as a puppy after it was abandoned when its owners saw little value in it as a racing dog (fast AF but too stupid to run in a straight line, apparently).

He had a lot of the traits of a greyhound, and would run for hours off the leash. He was no problem around other animals until an encounter with a stag left him needing life-saving surgery and reconstruction of two limbs. He recovered well but doesn't have the capacity for the type of exercise his breed requires, and can still be in a bit of pain. This led to him becoming a bit barky around other dogs as he tried to reassert himself, but that settled down when he got de-balled. Around humans, a more placid dog you could not meet. My kids have been taught to be gentle and to give him peace when he shies away. He's a lovely natured animal and I don't see the dangers detailed above.

 No bad press on them just a warning. Lovely gentle big dogs and lazy as hell, unless you’re a small furry animal. Obviously they aren’t all mad for chasing other animals but some still have a strong instinct to do it. 

[cosanostra]

3 hours ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

I see greyhounds getting bad press here.

My brother has a greyhound. He brought it over from Ireland. I have a cousin there who is a vet there, and she had come into possession of this dog as a puppy after it was abandoned when its owners saw little value in it as a racing dog (fast AF but too stupid to run in a straight line, apparently).

He had a lot of the traits of a greyhound, and would run for hours off the leash. He was no problem around other animals until an encounter with a stag left him needing life-saving surgery and reconstruction of two limbs. He recovered well but doesn't have the capacity for the type of exercise his breed requires, and can still be in a bit of pain. This led to him becoming a bit barky around other dogs as he tried to reassert himself, but that settled down when he got de-balled. Around humans, a more placid dog you could not meet. My kids have been taught to be gentle and to give him peace when he shies away. He's a lovely natured animal and I don't see the dangers detailed above.

 

I've got a greyhound. One of the best dogs I've ever had. Very calm, peaceful guy called Captain. He's also a retired racer. They practically give them away these days.

I'd be surprised that any greyhound could run for hours. They have ridiculously low stamina and are only capable of extreme sprinting for short intervals. 

I guess it's like asking an Olympic sprinter or weightlifter to run long distance. They struggle badly.

The other thing is they require only minimal exercise. They are the perfect dog for a lazy person because a 20 minute walk, once a day is about the average recommendation.

They're incredible, loving animals.

I'll probably never get another dog breed again now.

 

[cosanostra]

This is my best mate. 23 races and 1 third place finish. He's 46kg so incredibly large for his breed.

 

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

I see greyhounds getting bad press here.

My brother has a greyhound. He brought it over from Ireland. I have a cousin there who is a vet there, and she had come into possession of this dog as a puppy after it was abandoned when its owners saw little value in it as a racing dog (fast AF but too stupid to run in a straight line, apparently).

He had a lot of the traits of a greyhound, and would run for hours off the leash. He was no problem around other animals until an encounter with a stag left him needing life-saving surgery and reconstruction of two limbs. He recovered well but doesn't have the capacity for the type of exercise his breed requires, and can still be in a bit of pain. This led to him becoming a bit barky around other dogs as he tried to reassert himself, but that settled down when he got de-balled. Around humans, a more placid dog you could not meet. My kids have been taught to be gentle and to give him peace when he shies away. He's a lovely natured animal and I don't see the dangers detailed above.

 

Run for hours off the leash? That doesn't sound like a grey, aren't they fabulously lazy *******s?

[Unknown user]

10 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

This is my best mate. 23 races and 1 third place finish. He's 46kg so incredibly large for his breed.

 

Beautiful

 

46kg?? Bloody hell!

Edited June 6, 2023 by Smithee

[cosanostra]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Beautiful

 

46kg?? Bloody hell!

 

Aye, he's a big unit. 

They usually race at about 26kg but he raced at 40kg they reckon. No wonder he wasn't much good. 🤣

Highly recommend rescuing one if you're looking for a dog that doesn't bark, chew your house, bite, shed their fur and needs minimal exercise.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

41 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

This is my best mate. 23 races and 1 third place finish. He's 46kg so incredibly large for his breed.

 

They have such beautiful faces. At 46kg he must have been munching on the pies before races. 

[cosanostra]

8 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

They have such beautiful faces. At 46kg he must have been munching on the pies before races. 

 

All muscle sir. 💪

He's like a heavyweight boxer. Ridiculous pecs and abs. 

Well he was when we got him. He's an older lad now. 🤣

[il Duce McTarkin]

51 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

This is my best mate. 23 races and 1 third place finish. He's 46kg so incredibly large for his breed.

 

 

42 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Run for hours off the leash? That doesn't sound like a grey, aren't they fabulously lazy *******s?

 

Like I said, pretty stupid and no use as a racer.

 

As a younger dog he'd happily run around for as long as you'd let him. Not so now, the poor guy. If I can dig out the xrays of his legs I'll post them here.

 

 

[Dick Dastardly]

7 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

 

All muscle sir. 💪

He's like a heavyweight boxer. Ridiculous pecs and abs. 

Well he was when we got him. He's an older lad now. 🤣

I bet he can guilt trip you into a bit of your dinner or an extra biscuit with that face though! 😂 😂 

[cosanostra]

Just now, Dick Dastardly said:

I bet he can guilt trip you into a bit of your dinner or an extra biscuit with that face though! 😂 😂 

 

I pretty much always share a tiny piece of what I'm eating with him. He's irresistible.

Love big Captain. 😥

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, cosanostra said:

 

I pretty much always share a tiny piece of what I'm eating with him. He's irresistible.

Love big Captain. 😥

 

I've never had a dog before, isn't that the norm? Minky gets a wee bit of pretty much everything I eat as well, I just thought it was impossible to escape.

[Dick Dastardly]

12 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

 

I pretty much always share a tiny piece of what I'm eating with him. He's irresistible.

Love big Captain. 😥

I'm the same. My dog sits with her chin on my leg looking up at me while I'm eating. Scrounging wee shite. Never offers me any of her food though. 

[cosanostra]

10 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I've never had a dog before, isn't that the norm? Minky gets a wee bit of pretty much everything I eat as well, I just thought it was impossible to escape.

 

Pretty much. Dogs are the best. 

 

1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said:

I'm the same. My dog sits with her chin on my leg looking up at me while I'm eating. Scrounging wee shite. Never offers me any of her food though. 

 

What do you feed her? I give Captain sardines in spring water every morning, 300g of the big dog sausage every dinner time and there's always biscuits in his bowl for in between. I give him Kangaroo tails and liver Jerry as treats.

[¼½¾]

4 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

I'm the same. My dog sits with her chin on my leg looking up at me while I'm eating. Scrounging wee shite. Never offers me any of her food though. 

If I'm sitting watching tv and eating crisps or something, one of my dogs will hunt about the room looking for something to bring me so I'll give him one. It's not as bad now, but at one time at the end of the night I'd have a pile of his toys at my feet.

[Unknown user]

Just now, Meathook said:

If I'm sitting watching tv and eating crisps or something, one of my dogs will hunt about the room looking for something to bring me so I'll give him one. It's not as bad now, but at one time at the end of the night I'd have a pile of his toys at my feet.

 

 

There's been a couple of times Minky's brought me a stashed pig ear when I'm eating steak.

 

[cosanostra]

5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

 

There's been a couple of times Minky's brought me a stashed pig ear when I'm eating steak.

 

 

Seems like a reasonable trade. 🤔

[Dick Dastardly]

14 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

 

Pretty much. Dogs are the best. 

 

 

What do you feed her? I give Captain sardines in spring water every morning, 300g of the big dog sausage every dinner time and there's always biscuits in his bowl for in between. I give him Kangaroo tails and liver Jerry as treats.

Jeez! My one gets 90g of kibble twice a day, 10g of kibble, a chicken foot and a dentastick type thing at night. I live near a secondary school though, so she is alway finding stuff in the garden or on the street, mostly lying beside the bins because school kids are utter c@#ts

 

Edit 

She gets a cows ear once a week and either a cows knuckle or a deer leg once a week. 

Edited June 6, 2023 by Dick Dastardly

[Dick Dastardly]

12 minutes ago, Meathook said:

If I'm sitting watching tv and eating crisps or something, one of my dogs will hunt about the room looking for something to bring me so I'll give him one. It's not as bad now, but at one time at the end of the night I'd have a pile of his toys at my feet.

If I'm sitting watching tv eating crisps mine will sit bolt upright beside me, looking straight forward and not at me or the crisps. Its weird as ****

[SE16 3LN]

Dogs should be banned from indoor public spaces unless they are assistance dogs. They should always be on leads and under control in outdoor public spaces. One in ten people are allergic to them and many others hate their disgusting habits. They scare people and other animals and all dog owners are arrogant, selfish, inconsiderate pricks, as this thread has demonstrated.

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

 

Seems like a reasonable trade. 🤔