Dogs - the other side.

[Spellczech]

Dogs and cats as family members: A cat is like having a teenager; A dog is like having a toddler with the physicality of a teenager.

 

Unlike cats, dogs need training from their owner. They cannot even learn for themselves where to do the toilet... People always say dogs resemble their owners, but what they really mean is that they look to their owner for leadership and if that owner is abusive, aggressive, stupid, etc then the dog takes on that characteric too...

 

The current spate of badly trained, uncontrolled dogs is due to lockdown and the internet. Bored people looking at Tiktok and Insta videos of pet-owning boasters and thinking "I want that". Dog-walkers are facilitators too as people don't even have to find the time to exercise their own dog, they can dump that responsibility on others, and those people are animal lovers but not necessarily people who know or understand dogs...

 

Just as there are people who breed animals for a quick profit there are others who walk animals for easy money - why walk just your own dog, get paid to take out 10 at a time...

[Francis Albert]

6 hours ago, GBJambo said:

Seems the ban on xl bully’s is just for England and Wales at the moment. 
 

Scottish government haven’t decided whether they will follow. 
 

All xl’s will need to be registered and muzzled. Seems the correct decision 

 

Why anyone would want to own a “pet” that would take several grown men to restrain it if it turned . 

The Scottish government will need a bit of time working out out to make the rules different from those in England. Whether stricter or less strict or just different.

[Francis Albert]

26 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Dogs and cats as family members: A cat is like having a teenager; A dog is like having a toddler with the physicality of a teenager.

 

Unlike cats, dogs need training from their owner. They cannot even learn for themselves where to do the toilet... People always say dogs resemble their owners, but what they really mean is that they look to their owner for leadership and if that owner is abusive, aggressive, stupid, etc then the dog takes on that characteric too...

 

The current spate of badly trained, uncontrolled dogs is due to lockdown and the internet. Bored people looking at Tiktok and Insta videos of pet-owning boasters and thinking "I want that". Dog-walkers are facilitators too as people don't even have to find the time to exercise their own dog, they can dump that responsibility on others, and those people are animal lovers but not necessarily people who know or understand dogs...

 

Just as there are people who breed animals for a quick profit there are others who walk animals for easy money - why walk just your own dog, get paid to take out 10 at a time...

Cats certainly don't need toilet training. They know where to shit ... in our garden.

Blamingng dog attacks on lockdown and the internet seems a bit of a stretch.

[fabienleclerq]

19 hours ago, John Findlay said:

I will quote ad nauseum.

"No such thing as a bad dog, only a bad owner".

"Guns don't kill people rappers do"

 

Why do the bad owners choose these dogs and not labradors?

 

I think the government has to something, the dogs are being used as weapons.

[Dawnrazor]

6 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

 

Blamingng dog attacks on lockdown and the internet seems a bit of a stretch.

The thing is, that during lockdown, the number of dogs sold was astronomical, the prices were equally astronomical, Cockers, Springers and Labradors were being sold for up to 4k per pup, people who never had the time for a dog all of a sudden did and went and bought one, any one, any breed, without any real thought I seems. A mate of mine had a litter of pups in lockdown, an accidental mating between his GWP X Labrador and his Pressa, he said he was going to be very and advertised them for 600 quid, he sold the lot, 6 pups, the first evening they went on pets4homes, over the next week he had over 100 phone calls to see if he had any more! Who the **** looks at a litter of GWP X Labrador x Pressa pups and says "now that's the dog I've been waiting for my whole life"?!!

Lockdown and the internet allowed people the time and contacts to buy a pup that they probably wouldn't ever had considered before, many had no experience of owning a dog, people bred all sorts to satisfy the demand, hence some arseholes got a poorly bred dog from dubious unhealth tested parents.

 

[Francis Albert]

29 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

The thing is, that during lockdown, the number of dogs sold was astronomical, the prices were equally astronomical, Cockers, Springers and Labradors were being sold for up to 4k per pup, people who never had the time for a dog all of a sudden did and went and bought one, any one, any breed, without any real thought I seems. A mate of mine had a litter of pups in lockdown, an accidental mating between his GWP X Labrador and his Pressa, he said he was going to be very and advertised them for 600 quid, he sold the lot, 6 pups, the first evening they went on pets4homes, over the next week he had over 100 phone calls to see if he had any more! Who the **** looks at a litter of GWP X Labrador x Pressa pups and says "now that's the dog I've been waiting for my whole life"?!!

Lockdown and the internet allowed people the time and contacts to buy a pup that they probably wouldn't ever had considered before, many had no experience of owning a dog, people bred all sorts to satisfy the demand, hence some arseholes got a poorly bred dog from dubious unhealth tested parents.

 

Did the fact that one of the few reasons you could leave your house was to walk a dog have something to do with it?

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, Francis Albert said:

Did the fact that one of the few reasons you could leave your house was to walk a dog have something to do with it?

Possibly, but you were also allowed to walk without a dog I think, for exercise and mental health.

[Spellczech]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Cats certainly don't need toilet training. They know where to shit ... in our garden.

Blamingng dog attacks on lockdown and the internet seems a bit of a stretch.

I thought I was blaming the uplift in dog attacks on lockdown...

[CavySlaveJambo]

 

3 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Blamingng dog attacks on lockdown and the internet seems a bit of a stretch.

It is not lockdown that would have caused all this.
 

It is poor and improper socialisation, either at the appropriate time or later on. 

Dogs born between Jan 2020 between and Spring 2021 would have missed out on vital socialisation at critical periods during the lockdowns and restrictions.  Some of them would have their first experiences of other dogs and people during the so called “fear” stages.   Some people would have risked not socialising - and I mean proper socialising.   There is now concerns about how these puppies were born and raised from the RSPCA and also the Pandemic Puppies Royal Veterinary College surveys, who are tracking a group of these puppies via surveys. 

Edited September 17, 2023 by CavySlaveJambo

[Shooter McGavin]

22 hours ago, GBJambo said:

Seems the ban on xl bully’s is just for England and Wales at the moment. 
 

Scottish government haven’t decided whether they will follow. 
 

All xl’s will need to be registered and muzzled. Seems the correct decision 

 

Why anyone would want to own a “pet” that would take several grown men to restrain it if it turned . 

This, just mental.

 

And I know why folk say “It’s the owners, not the dogs!” and I get that.

But I’d rather the d***head owners weren’t able to access these kinda of dogs in the first place. From what I’ve seen, when they attack they’re nearly impossible to stop.

 

I’m all for licensing for owners and breeders too.

 

It’s like the gun control argument in the US. Of-course it’s the crazy folk that pull the trigger, but I’d rather that crazy person wasn’t able to just go out and get his hands on an AR.

[iantjambo]

On 15/09/2023 at 16:04, escobri said:

The worst dogs I've came across are Jack Russell's, should be banned the wee nippy *****.

 Jack Russell’s are absolutey mental. If a tiger was walking down the street, these wee arseholes would be straight out, yapping like **** and squaring up to it.

[Konrad von Carstein]

19 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

The Scottish government will need a bit of time working out out to make the rules different from those in England. Whether stricter or less strict or just different.

Stellar contribution as per usual from yourself 🍩

[Shooter McGavin]

On Monday, an XL bully attacked a toddler in London.
 

Yesterday, an XL bully mauled a 54 year old to death in Sunderland.

[Dawnrazor]

4 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

On Monday, an XL bully attacked a toddler in London.
 

Yesterday, an XL bully mauled a 54 year old to death in Sunderland.

Bully XL's will get banned, as the APBT was banned but is still fairly common.

The type of person that wanted APBT or a Bully XL will in future just get a Cane Corso or a Pressa or a Bully Kutta or a Kangal, or a cross between a couple of big dogs so it's a "type" rather than a breed, it the access to dogs by people who shouldn't have one that's the problem, much tighter regulations for dog ownership is desperately required.

[Shooter McGavin]

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

Bully XL's will get banned, as the APBT was banned but is still fairly common.

The type of person that wanted APBT or a Bully XL will in future just get a Cane Corso or a Pressa or a Bully Kutta or a Kangal, or a cross between a couple of big dogs so it's a "type" rather than a breed, it the access to dogs by people who shouldn't have one that's the problem, much tighter regulations for dog ownership is desperately required.

I agree with what you're saying, although I do believe there's just no need for certain dog breeds, especially ones capable of dragging grown adults to the ground and mauling them to death.

 

And I get folk will say "Any dog breed can attack people, it's the owners faults!", of-course it is, but to those people I'd say do you really think a Yorkshire Terrier or West Highland Terrier, in the hands of a d***head owner, is capable of the same level of violence as say an XL bully?

 

I 100% agree on regulatation, licensing etc, but like you touch on, a*rseholes are always going to move onto the next breed/type, and if things start going undergound then god knows how you control things then.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

I agree with what you're saying, although I do believe there's just no need for certain dog breeds, especially ones capable of dragging grown adults to the ground and mauling them to death.

 

And I get folk will say "Any dog breed can attack people, it's the owners faults!", of-course it is, but to those people I'd say do you really think a Yorkshire Terrier or West Highland Terrier, in the hands of a d***head owner, is capable of the same level of violence as say an XL bully?

 

I 100% agree on regulatation, licensing etc, but like you touch on, a*rseholes are always going to move onto the next breed/type, and if things start going undergound then god knows how you control things then.

The thing is, if breeds go "underground" like the APBT has, owners really can be walking down the street with them without the authority's been alerted so less chance of people being attacked, everything else in your post is pretty much bang on.

[Lone Striker]

55 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Bully XL's will get banned, as the APBT was banned but is still fairly common.

The type of person that wanted APBT or a Bully XL will in future just get a Cane Corso or a Pressa or a Bully Kutta or a Kangal, or a cross between a couple of big dogs so it's a "type" rather than a breed, it the access to dogs by people who shouldn't have one that's the problem, much tighter regulations for dog ownership is desperately required.

 It would do some good,  but enforcement is an issue when councils and the police are already cut to the bare bones.  The issue around these big dangerous dogs is vaguely similar to the danger posed by criminal gangs in general.   Despite all the  laws and actions by  law enforcement to crack down on them, organised crime continues to exist and preys on ordinary folk for money.

 

CLose down one illegal breeder, another is likely to take his place  if there's enough demand from dodgy characters for a macho status symbol dog.  

 

 

[OBE]

Muzzle the ugly b*s*a*ds and their dugs...

Edited October 4, 2023 by OBE