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Congratulations Australia on retaining the Ashes 

Any Scotsmen who supported the English Cricket team please hang your heads in shame.

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Malinga the Swinga
5 minutes ago, RobboM said:


:sweeet:

What? They batted too long and could have declared way earlier and still won.

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3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Congratulations Australia on retaining the Ashes 

Any Scotsmen who supported the English Cricket team please hang your heads in shame.

In the end, retaining Ashes is the only thing that matters.

Bazball failed to regain the most prized possession in cricket with injury to Lyon, allied to shit batting, being the most important factor.

Well, that's if you ignore the umpiring that favoured England (allowed to change the ball for no reason other than original one didn't swing). 

At least this series was worth watching. Next summer Sri Lanka and West Indies will be summer opposition which means one sided trouncings for both.

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1 minute ago, RobboM said:

That's just guesswork Malinga
They won by just 49 runs. They judged it to perfection. QED?

No, judging it to perfection is winning by 1 run. That was overkill and a further rain shower would have cost them again.

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1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

In the end, retaining Ashes is the only thing that matters.

Bazball failed to regain the most prized possession in cricket with injury to Lyon, allied to shit batting, being the most important factor.

Well, that's if you ignore the umpiring that favoured England (allowed to change the ball for no reason other than original one didn't swing). 

At least this series was worth watching. Next summer Sri Lanka and West Indies will be summer opposition which means one sided trouncings for both.

 

'Only thing that matters'

 

Not much matters to you then clearly. 

 

Watch what the Aussies say about it. They are certainly not happy making it 26 years since last series victory in England. 

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10 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

No, judging it to perfection is winning by 1 run. That was overkill and a further rain shower would have cost them again.

Judging it to perfection is a victory. Whether that be by one run or forty nine.

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51 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

'Only thing that matters'

 

Not much matters to you then clearly. 

 

Watch what the Aussies say about it. They are certainly not happy making it 26 years since last series victory in England. 

Might not be happy but I'd rather be on their shoes keeping urn than celebrating failing to win it back.

Still, I'm sure if England repeat Bazball often enough, they'll manage to paper over their failure to regain Ashes (again).

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1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Congratulations Australia on retaining the Ashes 

Any Scotsmen who supported the English Cricket team please hang your heads in shame.

I'm sure they feel same over their football team. The love for England (& Wales's) cricket team is nauseating but shows how easily some can be fooled into believing they're watching the cricket equivalent of Harlem Globetrotters.

England have improved from the cross they were a couple of years ago but still failed to win series. That, in anyone's book is failure.

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Just now, Smithee said:

It's kind of like hibsing it isn't it? England won, but really, they lost.

How dare you. Repeat 100 times, Bazball saved the world, and you'll find yourself believing it.

Actually you're correct.

Australia retain Ashes, not in style they wanted, but retain them none the less.

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14 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I'm sure they feel same over their football team. The love for England (& Wales's) cricket team is nauseating but shows how easily some can be fooled into believing they're watching the cricket equivalent of Harlem Globetrotters.

England have improved from the cross they were a couple of years ago but still failed to win series. That, in anyone's book is failure.

 

Depends.

 

You devalue Australia. Surely the best team in the world might be expected to win. 

 

Fair not to be interested in England. Lots of people are enjoying the ride. 

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Been an terrific series but also a slightly baffling one at times, leaving mixed conclusions.

 

Australia retain the Ashes but, all in all, were quite lucky to scrape a 2-2 draw. The weather dug them out big time when they needed it (which isn’t to say the weather didn’t help England at all but in the only test which didn’t finish, Australia were goosed). As the best team in the world, I don’t think many of their individuals were at their best.

 

Bazball, meanwhile, came under big pressure and to a degree, England’s arrogance in believing they didn’t ever have to adjust was exposed. Bairstow made the BBC’s team of the series which is quite honestly baffling. His keeping was dreadful and costly.

 

Broad has quit, Anderson is done, Stokes won’t last forever. Warner has surely had his day. Very interesting to see what both sides look like when the next series comes around.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Been an terrific series but also a slightly baffling one at times, leaving mixed conclusions.

 

Australia retain the Ashes but, all in all, were quite lucky to scrape a 2-2 draw. The weather dug them out big time when they needed it (which isn’t to say the weather didn’t help England at all but in the only test which didn’t finish, Australia were goosed). As the best team in the world, I don’t think many of their individuals were at their best.

 

Bazball, meanwhile, came under big pressure and to a degree, England’s arrogance in believing they didn’t ever have to adjust was exposed. Bairstow made the BBC’s team of the series which is quite honestly baffling. His keeping was dreadful and costly.

 

Broad has quit, Anderson is done, Stokes won’t last forever. Warner has surely had his day. Very interesting to see what both sides look like when the next series comes around.

 

 

 

Bairstow was brilliant the last 2 tests.

 

He does raise one of several questions about the England approach though they were limited by the strange time tabling playing so early in summer. Bairstow was picked for first 2 tests when not match ready or fit. So he basically got fit playing at half performance. But he is favoured so they picked him. 

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2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Congratulations Australia on retaining the Ashes 

Any Scotsmen who supported the English Cricket team please hang your heads in shame.

Dont get the hatred, Manaliveits. Don't support either (i play ina team of mostly Indians so thats my team) but you have to say that the cricket was an excellent watch....

 

I thought if we are a grown up country we should get past the hatred of our neighbours 

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2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Bairstow was brilliant the last 2 tests.

You can't honestly believe he was brilliant. He continually let byes past and was as untidy as any wickie I've seen play rest cricket.

He's decent at going for runs when pressure is off but he's nowhere near the best keeper in English cricket.

Whether he's in because of team spirit, because he has coach's favour or some other reason but taking him to India will be a massive risk.

England need to replace, Jimmy, Broad, Bairstow and Moeen going to India while Wood appears unable to stay for for a complete series, Archer breaks down every second game, Woakes is 34 and doesn't have pace to be effective in India so lots to ponder for selectors as they tend to build up for Ashes and next one is in Australia 2025/26.

Both teams could be unrecognisable by Nov 2025 when 1st test starts.

By then, it will be 10 years since England held Ashes in men's cricket.

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3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

You can't honestly believe he was brilliant. He continually let byes past and was as untidy as any wickie I've seen play rest cricket.

He's decent at going for runs when pressure is off but he's nowhere near the best keeper in English cricket.

Whether he's in because of team spirit, because he has coach's favour or some other reason but taking him to India will be a massive risk.

England need to replace, Jimmy, Broad, Bairstow and Moeen going to India while Wood appears unable to stay for for a complete series, Archer breaks down every second game, Woakes is 34 and doesn't have pace to be effective in India so lots to ponder for selectors as they tend to build up for Ashes and next one is in Australia 2025/26.

Both teams could be unrecognisable by Nov 2025 when 1st test starts.

By then, it will be 10 years since England held Ashes in men's cricket.

 

You mustn't have been watching the games. You have still see his runs and catches on the BBC highlights. All the byes this test were unstoppable. 

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11 minutes ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

Dont get the hatred, Manaliveits. Don't support either (i play ina team of mostly Indians so thats my team) but you have to say that the cricket was an excellent watch....

 

I thought if we are a grown up country we should get past the hatred of our neighbours 

Don't hate them, just want them to lose, same as I do when it's their football team, rugby union team or any other side representing them.

Do the same people who are on here wanting England to win at football?

I like the Indians as well, quite like the Aussies, have no time for Afghanistan (they shouldn't be allowed to play), South Africa leave me cold and the rest are meh.

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2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

You mustn't have been watching the games. You have still see his runs and catches on the BBC highlights. All the byes this test were unstoppable. 

I watch highlights on sky and watched play, when it was on, over weekend. His keeping is sub standard, he leaves balls that are there to be taken and he causes panic for first slip as he doesn't move quickly enough.

He needs replaced but folk make excuses for him because for some reason, his mistakes are continually excused.

He won't be around for next Ashes and better blooding replacement now.

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11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

You mustn't have been watching the games. You have still see his runs and catches on the BBC highlights. All the byes this test were unstoppable. 

You clearly didn't watch all of play today. 

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I think Bairstow was better than Carey over the series. Carey missed catches too with the bat only averaged 22.
Bairstow is not a top class wicket keeper but his batting was invaluable over the series finishing with a better average (and better strike rate) than Smith, Labuschagne or Head.
Plus his squad number is 51 🙂

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22 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Don't hate them, just want them to lose, same as I do when it's their football team, rugby union team or any other side representing them.

Do the same people who are on here wanting England to win at football?

I like the Indians as well, quite like the Aussies, have no time for Afghanistan (they shouldn't be allowed to play), South Africa leave me cold and the rest are meh.

Never want the football or rugby team to win but I think that has got a lot to do with the media...i think the cricket reporting was a bit more balanced with both Aussie and english presenters. Never liked Shane as a TV pundit and I love the way Punter would say that this looks positive for the Aussie batsman and he would immediately get out. Taylor probably the best pundit of all

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22 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I watch highlights on sky and watched play, when it was on, over weekend. His keeping is sub standard, he leaves balls that are there to be taken and he causes panic for first slip as he doesn't move quickly enough.

He needs replaced but folk make excuses for him because for some reason, his mistakes are continually excused.

He won't be around for next Ashes and better blooding replacement now.

Be interesting to see both teams the next time the Ashes are played. Dont think there will be many still playing next time

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16 minutes ago, Sooperstar said:

You clearly didn't watch all of play today. 

 

He's not the best keeper in England and hasn't been for a few years. 

He is one of main reasons Australia retained Ashes as his keeping is sub test standard.

Saw his catch this afternoon/evening. All his mistakes forgiven because of that. Deary me.

 

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1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Been an terrific series but also a slightly baffling one at times, leaving mixed conclusions.

 

Australia retain the Ashes but, all in all, were quite lucky to scrape a 2-2 draw. The weather dug them out big time when they needed it (which isn’t to say the weather didn’t help England at all but in the only test which didn’t finish, Australia were goosed). As the best team in the world, I don’t think many of their individuals were at their best.

 

Bazball, meanwhile, came under big pressure and to a degree, England’s arrogance in believing they didn’t ever have to adjust was exposed. Bairstow made the BBC’s team of the series which is quite honestly baffling. His keeping was dreadful and costly.

 

Broad has quit, Anderson is done, Stokes won’t last forever. Warner has surely had his day. Very interesting to see what both sides look like when the next series comes around.

 

 


This. And was a surprise too. Khawaja certainly delivered but Warner, Smith, Head and Labuschagne rarely hit the heights. With the ball Starc and Cummins took wickets but only Starc at under 30 per wicket. The back up of Boland, Marsh, Green hardly contributed. Jimmy Anderson bowled more maidens than the whole Australia attack managed across the entire series.

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4 minutes ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

Never want the football or rugby team to win but I think that has got a lot to do with the media...i think the cricket reporting was a bit more balanced with both Aussie and english presenters. Never liked Shane as a TV pundit and I love the way Punter would say that this looks positive for the Aussie batsman and he would immediately get out. Taylor probably the best pundit of all

You haven't watched/heard Vaughan, Dagnall, Ward,Knight or Tuffnell then! They're as bad as any football pundit. Isa Guha best out of all of them.

Broad joining them next so will wait to see what's he is like. 

 

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37 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Don't hate them, just want them to lose, same as I do when it's their football team, rugby union team or any other side representing them.

Do the same people who are on here wanting England to win at football?

I like the Indians as well, quite like the Aussies, have no time for Afghanistan (they shouldn't be allowed to play), South Africa leave me cold and the rest are meh.

indeed 

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5 minutes ago, RobboM said:


This. And was a surprise too. Khawaja certainly delivered but Warner, Smith, Head and Labuschagne rarely hit the heights. With the ball Starc and Cummins took wickets but only Starc at under 30 per wicket. The back up of Boland, Marsh, Green hardly contributed. Jimmy Anderson bowled more maidens than the whole Australia attack managed across the entire series.

Jimmy only took 5 wickets in series though. Same as Root. I know he won't retire but they can't take him to India as he doesn't have pace and won't get his conditions.

He really should have been dropped in this series.

Australia playing 6 tests in about 8 weeks and looked knackered. They really missed Lyon after 2nd test as they lost the control he gave them.

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4 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

You haven't watched/heard Vaughan, Dagnall, Ward,Knight or Tuffnell then! They're as bad as any football pundit. Isa Guha best out of all of them.

Broad joining them next so will wait to see what's he is like. 

 

Tended to watch the sky coverage so seemed to be a better mix of english and aussie pundits... can't stand McGrath either....

 

Broad could five some interesting insights 

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Malinga the Swinga

Anyway, Ashes have ended and sadly no more Scotland games this season as ICC continue to block our progress.

Meanwhile Ireland, who we beat twice in last month, West Indies who we beat and Zimbabwe who we beat have full schedules for next 10 years.

So ****ing frustrating that we can't get access to tours and matches at top level.

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1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Jimmy only took 5 wickets in series though. Same as Root. I know he won't retire but they can't take him to India as he doesn't have pace and won't get his conditions.

He really should have been dropped in this series.

Australia playing 6 tests in about 8 weeks and looked knackered. They really missed Lyon after 2nd test as they lost the control he gave them.

Most of both attacks wont play next Ashes....Broad, Anderson, Woods or Woakes with the aussies without Starc, Lyon, Boland or Hazlewood

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Malinga the Swinga
1 minute ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

Tended to watch the sky coverage so seemed to be a better mix of english and aussie pundits... can't stand McGrath either....

 

Broad could five some interesting insights 

Sky not the same since Bumble left. 

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pharmaceutical01
1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Sky not the same since Bumble left. 

Bumble was brilliant!! Mad as a box of frogs

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2-2 draw probably fair.  England played the whole series without a specialist wicketkeeper or spin bowler. 

 

Australia persisted with Warner.  Nathan Lyon's injury was quite instrumental I think.

 

The moral victory BS from England needs to get in the bin.

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On 04/05/2023 at 14:46, JWL said:

Very close but only because it's under English conditions and the Duke ball. I'm going for 2-2 with one washout and Australia to retain The Ashes.

 

Nice forecast there JWL☺️

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8 hours ago, Sydney said:

2-2 draw probably fair.  England played the whole series without a specialist wicketkeeper or spin bowler. 

 

Australia persisted with Warner.  Nathan Lyon's injury was quite instrumental I think.

 

The moral victory BS from England needs to get in the bin.


The more I think about it, the more I think both teams are kidding themselves about their inadequacies. Neither was brilliant and both seem to be persisting with players who need to be dropped.

 

Porky and Warner being two obvious ones.

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32 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


The more I think about it, the more I think both teams are kidding themselves about their inadequacies. Neither was brilliant and both seem to be persisting with players who need to be dropped.

 

Porky and Warner being two obvious ones.

 

Do you mean Bairstow?

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1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


yes :rofl:


Fair dues 😂

I honestly don't get the dislike of Bairstow

I'm not trying to be smartarse or catch you out here but here's how some of the top batters from the Ashes rank the following in terms of their Averages since 2022, kinda tying it into Stokes regime at England, but also covers them having more than 25 innings and all bar Warner well over 1000 runs. He's not the greatest wicketkeeper, no argument there but would be a worthy choice as batter. Warner on the other hand .... 😉 Mon the Porker!
 

Bairstow 57.63
Root 52.36
Smith 50.39
Head 48.48
Labuschagne 46.53
Warner 26.74
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6 minutes ago, RobboM said:


Fair dues 😂

I honestly don't get the dislike of Bairstow

I'm not trying to be smartarse or catch you out here but here's how some of the top batters from the Ashes rank the following in terms of their Averages since 2022, kinda tying it into Stokes regime at England, but also covers them having more than 25 innings and all bar Warner well over 1000 runs. He's not the greatest wicketkeeper, no argument there but would be a worthy choice as batter. Warner on the other hand .... 😉 Mon the Porker!
 

Bairstow 57.63
Root 52.36
Smith 50.39
Head 48.48
Labuschagne 46.53
Warner 26.74

He has stated he won't play as batman and wants the gloves as well. That's the part I don't think he is up to. 

At his age, he needs replacing if they are to blood his replacement in for next Ashes in Australia.

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13 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

He has stated he won't play as batman and wants the gloves as well. That's the part I don't think he is up to. 

At his age, he needs replacing if they are to blood his replacement in for next Ashes in Australia.

Foakes (30) remains the best keeper and a reliable batsman to boot (test avg 32.2).

 

James Rew (19) may be the future wicketkeeper batsman.  I don't know how good he is behind the stumps, but he already has 6 first class hundreds to his name. 

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34 minutes ago, RobboM said:


Fair dues 😂

I honestly don't get the dislike of Bairstow

I'm not trying to be smartarse or catch you out here but here's how some of the top batters from the Ashes rank the following in terms of their Averages since 2022, kinda tying it into Stokes regime at England, but also covers them having more than 25 innings and all bar Warner well over 1000 runs. He's not the greatest wicketkeeper, no argument there but would be a worthy choice as batter. Warner on the other hand .... 😉 Mon the Porker!
 

Bairstow 57.63
Root 52.36
Smith 50.39
Head 48.48
Labuschagne 46.53
Warner 26.74


Fair play likes. :lol:

 

it’s the wicket keeping. He’s not great. And being two stone overweight can’t help. I think he has a responsibility to be less of a wedge. He’s a pro sportsman ffs

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35 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

He has stated he won't play as batman and wants the gloves as well. That's the part I don't think he is up to. 

At his age, he needs replacing if they are to blood his replacement in for next Ashes in Australia.

Cheers. I know he wants the gloves but haven't seen any quotes like that.

 

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34 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Foakes (30) remains the best keeper and a reliable batsman to boot (test avg 32.2).

 

James Rew (19) may be the future wicketkeeper batsman.  I don't know how good he is behind the stumps, but he already has 6 first class hundreds to his name. 


As a Cornish boy I've always had a soft spot for Somerset so seen quite a bit of James Rew batting. Can't think of anything standout about his keeping. Somerset rely on their pace attack but have spinners Leech (never available), Dom Bess back on loan, and young laddie Bashir so don't see him much up to the wicket

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Malinga the Swinga

I know it's obvious I have no time for umpires but the changing of the ball on Sunday evening for a much newer one sums up these pathetic umpires the Ashes has suffered from.

The 'that was the only ball we could find' excuse trotted out by umpires is a disgrace. You can't give new ball to replace a 35 over ball just because you can't be arsed sourcing a like for like replacement.

Miss the Ashes as the 100 isn't nearly as good, despite the flashy shots and graphics.

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Is anybody watching The Hundred on Sky ? 

A Notts player couldn't stump a player because the bails  had been accidentally knocked off by the ball so he had to pull one of the stumps out of the ground to get his man out  . Anyone ever seen this in 1st class cricket before ? 

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17 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

Is anybody watching The Hundred on Sky ? 

A Notts player couldn't stump a player because the bails  had been accidentally knocked off by the ball so he had to pull one of the stumps out of the ground to get his man out  . Anyone ever seen this in 1st class cricket before ? 

Yep, doesn't happen often but removing stump after bails dislodged is way to get run out.

Sometimes players forget but with the money on offer, these boys don't make mistakes 

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