*** Hearts Winter Transfer Thread - Henderson and Connor Smith loaned out***

[jamboinglasgow]

5 minutes ago, H.M.F.C1874 said:

Yutaro Oda came in on the Paris flight, it landed at 2243👀. 

 

thought you were trying to do some Toto lyrics.

 

Thats good to see he is here.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Just now, mitch41 said:

James Hill 6 ft 0.04 ins. So much for getting a tall dominating centre half. Oh well maybe he's fantastic in the air at corners and free kicks.

You must have loved the Kevin James signing back in the day.

 

Can we bring back the :vlad-stupid: for posts like this please?

[Thomaso]

35 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Threat from corners, which we badly lack.

We have a bigger problem defending corners - Paterson would be a big plus

[Hungry hippo]

18 minutes ago, Jambo92 said:

Whether or not hes played there recently I think RWB is perfect for Callum, strong, athletic, good technique.  His versatility will be a big asset though.

 

Totally agree.

[JTJ]

1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 

Cheers lads. No doubt his versatility is a big part of the thinking. 

Yes. He never really had a position first time - it was HIM that chose RB and Robbie agreed it to keep him happy as he was scoring goals/charging forwards etc and he got into the Scotland team. Changed times now but he'll plug gaps in emergencies and remain "whole-hearted".  Left one on one against a fast winger would not be a pretty sight though! I guess Robbie/Joe have a plan 😁

[Sub4TiddlerMurray]

51 minutes ago, Section Q said:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-dealt-transfer-blow-as-defensive-target-moves-elsewhere/

 

Sheffield Wednesday target James Hill will not be joining this month after he completed a loan move

 

Kinda confirms that he's a quality addition and that Hearts are now bigger draw than SW.

[Ari Gold]

I fully expect to be in the minority here but I'm not overly fussed about Paterson. Liked him first time round but with the money I expect he'll be on, I think we could spend it better. 

[Homme]

Just now, Sub4TiddlerMurray said:

 

Kinda confirms that he's a quality addition and that Hearts are now bigger draw than SW.

 

They must hate us right now 🤣

[Homme]

Just now, Ari Gold said:

I fully expect to be in the minority here but I'm not overly fussed about Paterson. Liked him first time round but with the money I expect he'll be on, I think we could spend it better. 

 

I am / was in this camp but have been won round ever so slightly as there are a few positives I concede.

 

He's definitely not the player some are making out to be. 

 

As a person I love the guy and he will bring so much personality to the changing room and the club.

[Sub4TiddlerMurray]

3 minutes ago, Homme said:

 

They must hate us right now 🤣

 

As long as SW don't go in a huff and delay Dr Funk's return!

[Kalamazoo Jambo]

 

 

13 minutes ago, H.M.F.C1874 said:

Yutaro Oda came in on the Paris flight, it landed at 2243👀. 

Nice wee scoop there

[Chimp]

52 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

As a forward, playing on the wing or up front, like he has for Cardiff and Sheffield Wednesday. He provides a different option to what we have. The last time he played right back in a club game was 5 years ago.

so?

can players not ever play in a position again just because they haven't played there for a while? 

 

[Adam_the_legend]

1 hour ago, colinzeal said:

You can’t have followed him that closely then.

His work rate can’t be faulted, but anything beyond that is a struggle. Doesn’t win enough in the air, is generally poor in possession and bar the odd decent strike, is poor in front of goal.

Agree to disagree then I suppose. 

[McNelly15]

Happy 21st birthday James Hill 👊🏽 great present for yourself by signing for the Jambos!!

[Maroonjam]

24 minutes ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said:

 

Kinda confirms that he's a quality addition and that Hearts are now bigger draw than SW.

Class 😁

[Naisys Tackle]

26 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

You must have loved the Kevin James signing back in the day.

 

Can we bring back the :vlad-stupid: for posts like this please?

 

We could do with a presence at the back tbf.   We lose some amount of goals through croses.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Robbies Tackle

[DC_92]

I get the overall point, but looking into it, I don't think it's accurate to say that Paterson has not played either full-back/wing-back since 2018.

 

It looks like he's played quite a few games at RWB for Sheffield Wednesday, but they list him as an RM. 

 

This is one example from last season v Sunderland.

 

[bawheed]

57 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said:

RWB**

Tell me when please CP played for Hearts as a RWB?

[BackOfTheNet]

It’s not even about whether Paterson could play RB/RWB or not anymore (and with that there’s legitimate concerns), it’s whether spending the money we will be to have him play there could have been better spent on a player who’s actual position is and has been RB/RWB their entire career. Not just the first few years after they broke into professional football.

 

Are we really saying that a player who has predominantly played as a forward for the last 5 years is the best RB/RWB we can buy for the wages we’ll be paying? Seems odd if so.

[19/5HMFC12]

1 minute ago, DC_92 said:

I get the overall point, but looking into it, I don't think it's accurate to say that Paterson has not played either full-back/wing-back since 2018.

 

It looks like he's played quite a few games at RWB for Sheffield Wednesday, but they list him as an RM. 

 

This is one example from last season v Sunderland.

 

Yep and that’s pretty much the formation we play quite often. Not a whole lot of difference in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1 or any variation of a 3 at the back formation really.
And players don’t stick to one specific position or role in a game, it changes throughout games and you can see players shifting about whether we have the ball or the other team do. Our LWBs and RWBs do this quite noticeably. When Halliday plays LWB he’s got freedom to get up and down and not just on the wing either. Forrest in the RWB role is effectively a winger when we have the ball and is constantly making runs into the box.
Paterson is a utility player and I’m sure he’ll manage fine on the right hand side if that’s where he’ll play. 

[Hackney Hearts]

1 hour ago, tazhearts said:

Hill's long throw in's on our tight Tynecastle pitch will be like getting a corner every time the ball goes out of play in the opposition's half.

 

Now all we need is some arial threat to head them in (Dr Funk anyone?).

 

Humphrys and Shankland are both taller than CP (and Hill for that matter). Not sure they have CP's technique, but they do have the height.

[stevie1874]

1 hour ago, RS86 said:

It wasn't so long ago there was a thread on here calling out Savage and asking what he actually does. I think we're really seeing the benefit of the recruitment team we have assembled with the players we are targeting and bringing in. Between that and retaining our best talents it's an exciting time IMO.

 Our head of recruitment is William Lancefield based in Southampton I think. Seems to go under the radar. 

[dazajmbo]

Haven't had chance to stay up-to-date on the thread recently. 

 

Apologies if it's old news or someone else "ITK" has passed on before now.

 

Paterson is driving to Edinburgh tonight.  Will be at Hearts tomorrow with his agent for talks. Pre contact to join us in summer was the original plan,  then negotiate with his club and look at loan/termination of contract to join us in January.  Lack of gametime suggested any negotiation, disruption, delay or cost would be minimal if any at all. 

 

Sheffield belive that 'agreement' or conversion has happened prior to the 1st Jan when clubs/players can legally hold talks. Darren Moore asking RN to phone him or declare our interest was a subtle dig to us. Aswell as thier keeping fans on side by denying any knowledge. 

 

Starting to play him again, comments such as "his time is now" "big part to play" etc... in recent weeks either suggests they are spitting the dummy out, unlikely to sell/loan/release to us before his contract ends, or we sign him now but with the image and suggestion a more significant fee was the only reason we got him this window. 

 

 

Either way CP will be a HMFC player this year,  hopefully this window (which I'd expect) be it via a loan, low cost transfer fee, termination of contract agreement or settlement. Id be amazed if any / all of those options failed and we had to wait until summer for him.

 

 

I'm really not fussed about opinions or drama, believe it or don't.  That's your personal responsibility not mine.  Don't get personal or be abusive. Ignore it and move on if you wish, saves us both the hassle. 

 

 

Cheers.

[dazajmbo]

And CP singing has no relevance to Atkinson,  M.Smith or any other staying or going.  He's cover and an option for most positions on the pitch. 

[Kiwidoug]

2 minutes ago, dazajmbo said:

Haven't had chance to stay up-to-date on the thread recently. 

 

Apologies if it's old news or someone else "ITK" has passed on before now.

 

Paterson is driving to Edinburgh tonight.  Will be at Hearts tomorrow with his agent for talks. Pre contact to join us in summer was the original plan,  then negotiate with his club and look at loan/termination of contract to join us in January.  Lack of gametime suggested any negotiation, disruption, delay or cost would be minimal if any at all. 

 

Sheffield belive that 'agreement' or conversion has happened prior to the 1st Jan when clubs/players can legally hold talks. Darren Moore asking RN to phone him or declare our interest was a subtle dig to us. Aswell as thier keeping fans on side by denying any knowledge. 

 

Starting to play him again, comments such as "his time is now" "big part to play" etc... in recent weeks either suggests they are spitting the dummy out, unlikely to sell/loan/release to us before his contract ends, or we sign him now but with the image and suggestion a more significant fee was the only reason we got him this window. 

 

 

Either way CP will be a HMFC player this year,  hopefully this window (which I'd expect) be it via a loan, low cost transfer fee, termination of contract agreement or settlement. Id be amazed if any / all of those options failed and we had to wait until summer for him.

 

 

I'm really not fussed about opinions or drama, believe it or don't.  That's your personal responsibility not mine.  Don't get personal or be abusive. Ignore it and move on if you wish, saves us both the hassle. 

 

 

Cheers.

Great stuff Dazza.  

[McNelly15]

7 minutes ago, dazajmbo said:

Haven't had chance to stay up-to-date on the thread recently. 

 

Apologies if it's old news or someone else "ITK" has passed on before now.

 

Paterson is driving to Edinburgh tonight.  Will be at Hearts tomorrow with his agent for talks. Pre contact to join us in summer was the original plan,  then negotiate with his club and look at loan/termination of contract to join us in January.  Lack of gametime suggested any negotiation, disruption, delay or cost would be minimal if any at all. 

 

Sheffield belive that 'agreement' or conversion has happened prior to the 1st Jan when clubs/players can legally hold talks. Darren Moore asking RN to phone him or declare our interest was a subtle dig to us. Aswell as thier keeping fans on side by denying any knowledge. 

 

Starting to play him again, comments such as "his time is now" "big part to play" etc... in recent weeks either suggests they are spitting the dummy out, unlikely to sell/loan/release to us before his contract ends, or we sign him now but with the image and suggestion a more significant fee was the only reason we got him this window. 

 

 

Either way CP will be a HMFC player this year,  hopefully this window (which I'd expect) be it via a loan, low cost transfer fee, termination of contract agreement or settlement. Id be amazed if any / all of those options failed and we had to wait until summer for him.

 

 

I'm really not fussed about opinions or drama, believe it or don't.  That's your personal responsibility not mine.  Don't get personal or be abusive. Ignore it and move on if you wish, saves us both the hassle. 

 

 

Cheers.

Excellent amigo 👌🏽

[JamboAl]

39 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

It’s not even about whether Paterson could play RB/RWB or not anymore (and with that there’s legitimate concerns), it’s whether spending the money we will be to have him play there could have been better spent on a player who’s actual position is and has been RB/RWB their entire career. Not just the first few years after they broke into professional football.

 

Are we really saying that a player who has predominantly played as a forward for the last 5 years is the best RB/RWB we can buy for the wages we’ll be paying? Seems odd if so.

Paul Hartley was a winger when he arrived.

[The Future's Maroon]

1 hour ago, Rudolf said:

But remember he wasn’t allowed over the half way line🤣

I like how this still gets ridiculed, I was one of the ones who said it was true, it came from a member of the management team that Levein (I think was dof not manager at the time too) had at the time, he told him to play in his own half and stay there? Yes a weird one, but was 100% true, for the record CP hated it and really pissed him off. 
 

if I remember rightly there was one game where CP voiced his anger at the bench about it too.

Edited January 10, 2023 by The Future's Maroon

[DC_92]

14 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

It’s not even about whether Paterson could play RB/RWB or not anymore (and with that there’s legitimate concerns), it’s whether spending the money we will be to have him play there could have been better spent on a player who’s actual position is and has been RB/RWB their entire career. Not just the first few years after they broke into professional football.

 

Are we really saying that a player who has predominantly played as a forward for the last 5 years is the best RB/RWB we can buy for the wages we’ll be paying? Seems odd if so.

 

It kind of is about that, though, because Hearts have already decided he's worth the wages. There naturally follows a discussion about where they see his primary role in the team.

 

Some are adamant that it won't be RWB because he hasn't played full-back for years, but he HAS played wing-back on a few occasions and that's worth pointing out.

 

There's also the fact that he doesn't obviously fit in the forward positions. Shankland is captain and will start near enough every game. Ginnelly is in the team because of his pace and we've brought Kuol and Oda in to offer more of that. McKay is there to offer creativity and to provide for the other two, which also isn't Paterson's game. It seems unlikely they just see him purely as someone to chuck on for the last 10 minutes.

 

Meanwhile, there's a very winnable slot in the starting XI at RWB, he's played there for his current club, and he made his name for us as an attacking full-back under our current manager. I don't think it's crazy to suggest that's where they might see him primarily, even if he does fill in elsewhere when needed.

 

FWIW I share your concerns about whether he's still cut out for that role. If he can fill it competently, however, as well as chipping in with goals, improving our defending at set pieces, and filling other roles as required, he might well end up being more valuable to us than a specialist wing-back.

[PhoenixHearts]

2 hours ago, Chimp said:

What’s this chat about him having no pace? Seen it mentioned a few times. He absolutely isn’t slow, no idea where that’s come from.

 

People seem to think that because he's gained muscle in the time since he left us he must have lost a step. Because obviously strength and speed are mutually exclusive.

 

These people obviously don't know Adama Traoré.

[Chevy Chase]

Find it odd that CP would travel to Edinburgh to negotiate terms over a pre contract. He’s fully aware of everything HMFC can offer with regards Oriam, stadium, the city etc. His wage demands don’t need to be discussed face to face.

 

Sheffield Wednesday will be training tomorrow so are we suggesting they want to keep him until the Summer but have allowed him time off to travel to Edinburgh to negotiate a pre contract?

 

IF he’s in Edinburgh this week, and I have no idea if he will be, he’s signing permanently this week, imo.

 

edit - just read Dazas post again. I jumped the gun. Some of it still doesn’t ring true to me but we’ll see.

 

 

Edited January 10, 2023 by Chevy Chase

[Rogue Daddy]

1 hour ago, dazajmbo said:

Haven't had chance to stay up-to-date on the thread recently. 

 

Apologies if it's old news or someone else "ITK" has passed on before now.

 

Paterson is driving to Edinburgh tonight.  Will be at Hearts tomorrow with his agent for talks. Pre contact to join us in summer was the original plan,  then negotiate with his club and look at loan/termination of contract to join us in January.  Lack of gametime suggested any negotiation, disruption, delay or cost would be minimal if any at all. 

 

Sheffield belive that 'agreement' or conversion has happened prior to the 1st Jan when clubs/players can legally hold talks. Darren Moore asking RN to phone him or declare our interest was a subtle dig to us. Aswell as thier keeping fans on side by denying any knowledge. 

 

Starting to play him again, comments such as "his time is now" "big part to play" etc... in recent weeks either suggests they are spitting the dummy out, unlikely to sell/loan/release to us before his contract ends, or we sign him now but with the image and suggestion a more significant fee was the only reason we got him this window. 

 

 

Either way CP will be a HMFC player this year,  hopefully this window (which I'd expect) be it via a loan, low cost transfer fee, termination of contract agreement or settlement. Id be amazed if any / all of those options failed and we had to wait until summer for him.

 

 

I'm really not fussed about opinions or drama, believe it or don't.  That's your personal responsibility not mine.  Don't get personal or be abusive. Ignore it and move on if you wish, saves us both the hassle. 

 

 

Cheers.

👍

[PhoenixHearts]

For those struggling to envisage Paterson at RWB... don’t!

 

Envisage him as a good old fashioned Right Midfielder with one or two occasional defensive duties. 

 

There's a reason we say 343 and not 523 🙃

[Watt-Zeefuik]

8 hours ago, CMc said:

Make Yoda jokes while we can, we must.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

I've said before to me Paterson is a free ranging attacking midfielder. You could set up as a 4-3-3 with him sitting in front of Devlin and Snodgrass in midfield, or as the withdrawn attacker in a 3-4-1-2. You want him towards the middle of the park where he's winning headers off of goal kicks but with the freedom to drift to either side as space allows, and close enough to goal that he's allowed to take a pop at it.

 

RWB would be fine if Atkinson is out and you need more attack than defence, and you're feeling solid about the back 3 behind him. That would give him the ability to do his in-cutting runs from the wing. Also if it's the 75th minute and we need a goal, you could pull Smith off and put him in. But if you expect to be under pressure a lot, like in an OF game, I'd hesitate.

[TheBigO]

4 hours ago, Bauld said:

 

Rwb is a possibility but I see him playing further forward in the right forward role. 

 

I see him as a massive upgrade on Forrest. Not Atkinson.

Im pretty sure hes coming in as he can do a few things within a game but just as  sure his main, everyone fit, first xi position will be rwb

[bazman]

2 hours ago, Chevy Chase said:

Find it odd that CP would travel to Edinburgh to negotiate terms over a pre contract. He’s fully aware of everything HMFC can offer with regards Oriam, stadium, the city etc. His wage demands don’t need to be discussed face to face.

 

Sheffield Wednesday will be training tomorrow so are we suggesting they want to keep him until the Summer but have allowed him time off to travel to Edinburgh to negotiate a pre contract?

 

IF he’s in Edinburgh this week, and I have no idea if he will be, he’s signing permanently this week, imo.

 

edit - just read Dazas post again. I jumped the gun. Some of it still doesn’t ring true to me but we’ll see.

 

 

You still do a medical for pre contracts 

[Unknown user]

3 hours ago, JamboAl said:

Paul Hartley was a winger when he arrived.

Billy Stark had already converted him to central midfield by the time he came to us, but he was a lazy cant when he arrived and it took a well aimed boot up the hole from Levein to sort that out.

[Aussie Jambo]

7 hours ago, Smithee said:

Surely we're keeping Gino, if we've got any sense. He's got great attributes, he scores goals, he loves being at Hearts and they say he's a brilliant lad in the changing room. He's still only 25 too, so it's no like he's away to lose his legs. Gino must stay!

I'm with you. He's proved himself in the last few games. That shot against Hibs. Ooft. A foot higher and that would have been a screamer. 

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said:

 

Kinda confirms that he's a quality addition and that Hearts are now bigger draw than SW.

 

Well this is pleasing, 25 years ago I met an insufferable Wednesday fan. They were in the EPL, they had Carbone and later di Canio, and he was always going on about how they'd destroy the Scottish League, and how we'd never won eff all.

 

He left after first year so I never got the chance to rub 98 in his face, but right now, I know he's irritated at Hearts taking whoever TF we want.

[DxB Hearts]

3 hours ago, dazajmbo said:

Haven't had chance to stay up-to-date on the thread recently. 

 

Apologies if it's old news or someone else "ITK" has passed on before now.

 

Paterson is driving to Edinburgh tonight.  Will be at Hearts tomorrow with his agent for talks. Pre contact to join us in summer was the original plan,  then negotiate with his club and look at loan/termination of contract to join us in January.  Lack of gametime suggested any negotiation, disruption, delay or cost would be minimal if any at all. 

 

Sheffield belive that 'agreement' or conversion has happened prior to the 1st Jan when clubs/players can legally hold talks. Darren Moore asking RN to phone him or declare our interest was a subtle dig to us. Aswell as thier keeping fans on side by denying any knowledge. 

 

Starting to play him again, comments such as "his time is now" "big part to play" etc... in recent weeks either suggests they are spitting the dummy out, unlikely to sell/loan/release to us before his contract ends, or we sign him now but with the image and suggestion a more significant fee was the only reason we got him this window. 

 

 

Either way CP will be a HMFC player this year,  hopefully this window (which I'd expect) be it via a loan, low cost transfer fee, termination of contract agreement or settlement. Id be amazed if any / all of those options failed and we had to wait until summer for him.

 

 

I'm really not fussed about opinions or drama, believe it or don't.  That's your personal responsibility not mine.  Don't get personal or be abusive. Ignore it and move on if you wish, saves us both the hassle. 

 

 

Cheers.

 

Class news (if true 😆), as always most of us appreciate the bits of insider news even if it doesn't pan out the way you heard mate 👍

[Aussie Jambo]

Dance Dr Funk. Gotta dance Dr Funk. 

He always cracked me up with his celebrations.

 

[DxB Hearts]

Welcome to the famous James Hill!

 

Loved his interview, seems like a very genuine young lad who was appreciative of what we had shown him and truly excited to be here. Polite too, goes a long way that.

 

Wonder if he'll go straight into the middle of the back 3 with Rowles and Sibbick either side of him.

[DxB Hearts]

10 hours ago, Led Tasso said:

 

This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing.

 

5 minutes took me, hmmm, figure post out it did

[i wish jj was my dad]

5 hours ago, mitch41 said:

James Hill 6 ft 0.04 ins. So much for getting a tall dominating centre half. Oh well maybe he's fantastic in the air at corners and free kicks.

Craig Halkett is by far our most dominating centre half and I'm not sure he is fully 6ft. So James Hill may be fantastic in the air at corners and free kicks. 

 

Being the professionals they are, Joe and the coaching staff will have done their homework before recruiting the laddie.

I'm quite excited about him and the other guys we appear to be in for. Great times to be a Jambo👍. 

[i wish jj was my dad]

4 hours ago, Robbies Tackle said:

 

We could do with a presence at the back tbf.   We lose some amount of goals through croses.

Agreed but not a Kevin James type though. 6ft 7 and could jump 6ft. 

I'm hoping that James is a Willie Miller type that cleans up everything in the penalty area. 

[tazhearts]

For UEFA competitions teams must list 8 "homegrown" players in their 25 man squad.

 

Up to half of the locally-trained players must be from the club itself, with the others being either from the club itself or from other clubs in the same association.

 

UEFA defines locally-trained or 'homegrown' players as those who, regardless of their nationality, have been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the age of 15 and 21.

 

Homegrown players trained in Scotland:

 

Zander Clark

Stephen Kingsley

Craig Halkett

Lewis Neilson

Robert Snodgrass

Andy Halliday

Lawrence Shankland

Barrie McKay

Alan Forrest

GMS

 

Homegrown players trained by Hearts

 

Craig Gordon 

Findlay Pollock

Connor Smith

Callum Paterson?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DxB Hearts]

7 minutes ago, tazhearts said:

For UEFA competitions teams must list 8 "homegrown" players in their 25 man squad.

 

Up to half of the locally-trained players must be from the club itself, with the others being either from the club itself or from other clubs in the same association.

 

UEFA defines locally-trained or 'homegrown' players as those who, regardless of their nationality, have been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the age of 15 and 21.

 

Homegrown players trained in Scotland:

 

Zander Clark

Stephen Kingsley

Craig Halkett

Lewis Neilson

Robert Snodgrass

Andy Halliday

Lawrence Shankland

Barrie McKay

Alan Forrest

GMS

 

Homegrown players trained by Hearts

 

Craig Gordon 

Findlay Pollock

Connor Smith

Callum Paterson?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just goes to show how important having a youth system actually is if we are going to be a consistent European side.

 

We hope Gordon will be back but even if he is he won't have long left as a player.

 

Filling a squad with 4 youth team players who aren't good enough for the team isn't ideal.

 

On a slightly side note, Id love to see more of Pollock, always seems to impress in the small appearances he makes.

 

[i wish jj was my dad]

4 hours ago, dazajmbo said:

And CP singing has no relevance to Atkinson,  M.Smith or any other staying or going.  He's cover and an option for most positions on the pitch. 

Can we pin this? It's getting monotonous reading about how CP hasn't played RB / RwB since 2016.  One guy has admitted posting the same point a million times and it feels like he has. 

[Section Q]

Robbie Slater, (remember him), not happy that Garang Kuol has joined us on loan.

 

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/garang-kuol-will-play-for-scottish-team-hearts-after-bigtime-move/news-story/3e1417d552b8a80d60064941d9999358