Jamhammer Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Cracking doc on C4 just now about SAF For those who say we can’t possibly catch Celtic & Rangers. We absolutely can. SAF and glum Jim have proved it. Discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejtee Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Different era financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 Ruthless Honest Determined Driven Will we see the likes again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, deejtee said: Different era financially. Agree but only to a degree Remarkable success at Aberdeen domestically and in Europe mainly driven by his I expect you to beat the OF attitude well worth a watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jamhammer said: Cracking doc on C4 just now about SAF For those who say we can’t possibly catch Celtic & Rangers. We absolutely can. SAF and glum Jim have proved it. Discuss No chance competing with them now over the course of a season. our only chance ever would be if it went to a 20 team league and we only played them twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: No chance competing with them now over the course of a season. our only chance ever would be if it went to a 20 team league and we only played them twice. Personally I think it would take the stars aligning and period where more than one team can take points off them Us Dons Dundee Utd or someone else a la 86 Could it happen again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jamhammer said: Agree but only to a degree Remarkable success at Aberdeen domestically and in Europe mainly driven by his I expect you to beat the OF attitude well worth a watch A massive degree unfortunately. Why don’t West Ham ever win the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: A massive degree unfortunately. Why don’t West Ham ever win the league? Because they're wankers, but Leicester proved it is possible, even once in a blue moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Major difference between now and then. Not all stadiums were all seated, Ibrox and Pittodrie being exceptions. Celtic Park and Ibrox were not filled every other game. Went to a Rangers v Hearts game at Ibrox in 1985 and the attendance was 12,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 23 minutes ago, Smithee said: Because they're wankers, but Leicester proved it is possible, even once in a blue moon. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 48 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: No chance competing with them now over the course of a season. our only chance ever would be if it went to a 20 team league and we only played them twice. We don't have to beat the OF to win the league, we just need to beat everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 38 minutes ago, Smithee said: Because they're wankers, but Leicester proved it is possible, even once in a blue moon. Just spat my gin out over the wife. She's crying now, thanks 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 49 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: A massive degree unfortunately. Why don’t West Ham ever win the league? Because they don’t have the key components required to win the 1966 World Cup. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sir Craig Gordon said: Just spat my gin out over the wife. She's crying now, thanks 😂 Poor Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 The biggest difference between now and the Aberdeen era isn't money imo, it's player contracts. Very unlikely Aberdeen would have retained their best players in the current environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: The biggest difference between now and the Aberdeen era isn't money imo, it's player contracts. Very unlikely Aberdeen would have retained their best players in the current environment. Or produce / sign Scottish players good enough to win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: The biggest difference between now and the Aberdeen era isn't money imo, it's player contracts. Very unlikely Aberdeen would have retained their best players in the current environment. I think you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Jamhammer said: Cracking doc on C4 just now about SAF For those who say we can’t possibly catch Celtic & Rangers. We absolutely can. SAF and glum Jim have proved it. Discuss This is the kind of thinking that saw Aberdeen fans become disillusioned with McInnes. Be very careful what you wish for ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Very very different circumstances nowadays. Ferguson’s the best ever but the way things are now with the way money has gone & the amount of power players now wield the tasks got harder than ever. Barring a freak accident it’s going to take years of sustained improvements to get closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 For those who say we can’t possibly catch Celtic & Rangers. We absolutely can. Tommy Walker proved it. That may seem silly, but there was 25 years between us winning our last title and Aberdeen winning their last title. There has been 37 years since then. It is a different era. Fergie's success at Aberdeen isn't a relevant comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 44 minutes ago, Cruyff said: We don't have to beat the OF to win the league, we just need to beat everyone else. If Hearts won every game against non-OF teams we would pick up 90 points. Celtic finished on 93 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: We don't have to beat the OF to win the league, we just need to beat everyone else. We'd need to at least not lose to the Old Firm or win the home games and lose away games to balance it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: We don't have to beat the OF to win the league, we just need to beat everyone else. But you need the others to take points off them also and if they’re meeting them potentially 4 times a season it becomes very difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: We don't have to beat the OF to win the league, we just need to beat everyone else. Agree share points with the old firm, after that it's what we do against the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Jamhammer said: Ruthless Honest Determined Driven Will we see the likes again? That’s the premise you need to work on. it may not make you champions but it may make you more successful than 3 cups in 24 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Different era.. he couldn’t do it today - players like McLeish and Miller who were top class would have been away in the blink of an eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Saint Jambo said: If Hearts won every game against non-OF teams we would pick up 90 points. Celtic finished on 93 points. That's how tough it is. 54 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: We'd need to at least not lose to the Old Firm or win the home games and lose away games to balance it out. Yep. 47 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: But you need the others to take points off them also and if they’re meeting them potentially 4 times a season it becomes very difficult But it doesn't matter if there's 12 teams or 20 teams in the league playing twice or 4 times. We still need to beat everyone else to win the league or, at the very least, give ourselves the chance. I don’t think our chances improve whether we play them twice or 4 times each. In fact, i think it would make it even more impossible than it already is if we only played one another twice. Edited June 4, 2022 by Cruyff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMHearts Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Kiwidoug said: The biggest difference between now and the Aberdeen era isn't money imo, it's player contracts. Very unlikely Aberdeen would have retained their best players in the current environment. Freedom of contract would’ve slaughtered that Aberdeen team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Jamhammer said: Agree but only to a degree Remarkable success at Aberdeen domestically and in Europe mainly driven by his I expect you to beat the OF attitude well worth a watch Not too a degree, talking multiple times difference. For every £1 Aberdeen spent to Celtic and rangers pound it was close, fast forward to now and it's about 6 times the difference. Nothing to discuss. Aberdeen v Real Madrids budget is now over 30 times difference. There is little to discuss, the answer is obvious. Bosman ruling also thrown in for good measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 If any team is so negative as to think it won't happen, they'll probably finish up being correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Aw shit, I thought the thread title meant we were going to be discussing that mad old potty mouthed tool that supported Hamilton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Cruyff said: We don't have to beat the OF to win the league, we just need to beat everyone else. We need to beat everyone else but we would defo need to win some games against the old firm as games against them are almost a quarter of the season. If we only played each team twice then it would be far easier to win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: That's how tough it is. Yep. But it doesn't matter if there's 12 teams or 20 teams in the league playing twice or 4 times. We still need to beat everyone else to win the league or, at the very least, give ourselves the chance. I don’t think our chances improve whether we play them twice or 4 times each. In fact, i think it would make it even more impossible than it already is if we only played one another twice. You'll need to explain that one? A 20 team league would also mean we only need to go to Easter Road once and Aberdeen once. Surely replacing those games and games against the Old Firm with Championship teams would increase our points total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Russ1977 said: We need to beat everyone else but we would defo need to win some games against the old firm as games against them are almost a quarter of the season. If we only played each team twice then it would be far easier to win the league. If we literally were beating everyone else (everyone) it would be them shitting their pants and not us. Never gaunnie happen tho'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 7 hours ago, Cruyff said: We don't have to beat the OF to win the league, we just need to beat everyone else. We will never win 30 games and if we did, 90 points still won't be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Jamhammer said: Agree but only to a degree Remarkable success at Aberdeen domestically and in Europe mainly driven by his I expect you to beat the OF attitude well worth a watch One of the greatest football managers in the history of the game brought a lot more than an "I expect you to beat the OF" attitude. Yes, I think SAF could beat the OF were he given three years at Hearts because he was that good. We have never had a manager as good as SAF and we likely never will, and that's no great insult to any of our managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 We would need both uglies to have poor seasons at the same time ,realistically that's not likely to happen. Plus the gfa whistler's would have their input. I think we can cut the points gap a bit and who knows the odd poor season from one if them could see us take a 2nd place . Truthfully finance wise they are to big for our league but too backward for any major league . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Aside from the massive difference in wages, we now have to play them each 4 times. Which is another huge advantage for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, ToadKiller Dog said: We would need both uglies to have poor seasons at the same time ,realistically that's not likely to happen. Plus the gfa whistler's would have their input. I think we can cut the points gap a bit and who knows the odd poor season from one if them could see us take a 2nd place . Truthfully finance wise they are to big for our league but too backward for any major league . The refs had their say in the 80’s as much as they do now. There is a good reason we couldn’t stand Bob Valentine and Brian Mcginlay (although if the song is to be believed, they didn’t hate each other). Fergie knew how to get inside the refs heads, even back then and his team also managed the ref on the park. Willie Miller in particular was always in the refs ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 7 hours ago, Cruyff said: That's how tough it is. Yep. But it doesn't matter if there's 12 teams or 20 teams in the league playing twice or 4 times. We still need to beat everyone else to win the league or, at the very least, give ourselves the chance. I don’t think our chances improve whether we play them twice or 4 times each. In fact, i think it would make it even more impossible than it already is if we only played one another twice. You’ve lost me on that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: You'll need to explain that one? A 20 team league would also mean we only need to go to Easter Road once and Aberdeen once. Surely replacing those games and games against the Old Firm with Championship teams would increase our points total? Aye, and it would also increase the OF's points total even more because they only need to go to Tynecastle, Pittodrie, Tannadice, Easter Rd etc.. once as well. 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: We will never win 30 games and if we did, 90 points still won't be enough. We'd have to win 30 games minimum to win the league. 90 pts some seasons is enough to win the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: You’ve lost me on that one? If we only played each other twice in a 20 team league, Rangers and Celtic would win even more games mate as explained above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: If we only played each other twice in a 20 team league, Rangers and Celtic would win even more games mate as explained above. We would only play them twice and I’d fancy our chances on picking up home points v them. we would then need to beat the rest obviously but with championship teams filling the extra 8 spaces in the league I’d fancy our chances to get very close. certainly closer than we do now in this 12 team pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 11 hours ago, Jamhammer said: Cracking doc on C4 just now about SAF For those who say we can’t possibly catch Celtic & Rangers. We absolutely can. SAF and glum Jim have proved it. Discuss The last time Aberdeen won the league in 1985, they had a bigger wage budget than Celtic. Celtic now have a wage bill 8x that of Aberdeen. It's never happening again with that disparity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Martin_T said: The last time Aberdeen won the league in 1985, they had a bigger wage budget than Celtic. Celtic now have a wage bill 8x that of Aberdeen. It's never happening again with that disparity. And I know everyone says “but Leicester”, it’s not a direct comparison because they were still able to offer top wages and, crucially, hold on to their players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just now, 1874robbo said: We would only play them twice and I’d fancy our chances on picking up home points v them. we would then need to beat the rest obviously but with championship teams filling the extra 8 spaces in the league I’d fancy our chances to get very close. certainly closer than we do now in this 12 team pish. The OF drop more points going to Tynecastle, Easter Road, Tannadice, Pittodrie etc... twice.. than going there just once. Adding 8 cannon fodder teams to the equation means they'll just win even more games. And if we're ever good enough to win 90-100% of games v non OF teams, we'd be good enough to take points of the OF at home. Having those 4 games against them at home may even prove to be the difference, especially after the split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said: Not too a degree, talking multiple times difference. For every £1 Aberdeen spent to Celtic and rangers pound it was close, fast forward to now and it's about 6 times the difference. Nothing to discuss. Aberdeen v Real Madrids budget is now over 30 times difference. There is little to discuss, the answer is obvious. Bosman ruling also thrown in for good measure. Around that time, hibs signed Steve Archibald directly from Barca ffs They are now trying to entice Cole Stockton back north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cruyff said: The OF drop more points going to Tynecastle, Easter Road, Tannadice, Pittodrie etc... twice.. than going there just once. Adding 8 cannon fodder teams to the equation means they'll just win even more games. And if we're ever good enough to win 90-100% of games v non OF teams, we'd be good enough to take points of the OF at home. Having those 4 games against them at home may even prove to be the difference, especially after the split. Unfortunately we will never find out who’s right or wrong here as a 20 team league would never be voted for as too many teams want their potential 2 home games v the old firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Not read all thread but I’m sure it’s been suggested on here before we wanted to bring him to Tynecastle should have not have beaten Palace back in 90 (?). Anyway I completely agree you need his drive and belief to topple the OF. Things are different however but I still believe it can be done. A bigger league with x2 season would help IMO though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) We absolutely can compete with the old firm...but only if we suddenly get loads more money and a top manager. For all his success, Ferguson wouldn't do much for us in this day and age. He's a relic or a time gone by. Edited June 5, 2022 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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