Newton51 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, BackOfTheNet said: I suspect he’s already signed and we were waiting until after the derby, my guess is he’ll be announced Tuesday Probably didn’t get our clearance thru unlike Hibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Have we signed anyone this season of a quality we couldn’t have signed last season? I think the answer is clearly “no”. So, we need to see that soon otherwise the recruitment team will have a fail against them for this window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Have we signed anyone this season of a quality we couldn’t have signed last season? I think the answer is clearly “no”. So, we need to see that soon otherwise the recruitment team will have a fail against them for this window. Think Shankland possibly falls into that category. But I agree, we need another box office type signing IMO. A winger type, similar to Boyle actually. Direct, pacey with an eye for goal. Also, RCB required badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OTT said: Think Shankland possibly falls into that category. But I agree, we need another box office type signing IMO. A winger type, similar to Boyle actually. Direct, pacey with an eye for goal. Also, RCB required badly. You don’t think we could have signed a proven Championship striker last season? I happen to think Shankland will do well for us but we could quite clearly have signed a player of that sort of quality last season. My point is I don’t see the incremental improvement in quality. We haven’t signed anyone as good as or better than our key players from last season. Our key players from last season: Gordon Halkett Kingsley Souttar Beni Devlin McKay Simms Nobody we have signed yet is better than any of these - half of which were with us when we were in a lower league - therefore we are not improving the team as we should be. For example. We apparently lost out to Obafemi on the final day of the window last summer. Do we have a target better than him for this season? Edited August 7, 2022 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: You don’t think we could have signed a proven Championship striker last season? I happen to think Shankland will do well for us but we could quite clearly have signed a player of that sort of quality last season. My point is I don’t see the incremental improvement in quality. We haven’t signed anyone as good as or better than our key players from last season. Our key players from last season: Gordon Halkett Kingsley Souttar Beni Devlin McKay Simms Nobody we have signed yet is better than any of these therefore we are not i proving the team as we should be. For example. We apparently lost out to Obafemi on the final day of the window last summer. Do we have a target better than him for this season? You missed our 16 goal top scorer from that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: You missed our 16 goal top scorer from that list Only half of which were in the league but ok. Lets face it when we signed Boyce we’d have rated him as better quality than Shankland. Dont you think? Even if not in Shankland we now have somebody we thought Boyce would be. aEG at their peak they will be a similar quality of striker. That kind of proves my point. Is this how it is going to be on here now? Recruitment can do no wrong all the bad stuff is down to Neilson? Edited August 7, 2022 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 How can people say Grant, Forrest and Shankland haven’t improved our squad? It’s been said a million times that we aren’t spending all the money we got from Europe, and it will be spread out over the years so we can keep building. There is also 3 weeks left of the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Only half of which were in the league but ok. Lets face it when we signed Boyce we’d have rated him as better quality than Shankland. Dont you think? Even if not in Shankland we now have somebody we thought Boyce would be. aEG at their peak they will be a similar quality of striker. That kind of proves my point. Is this how it is going to be on here now? Recruitment can do no wrong all the bad stuff is down to Neilson? You inferred a lot and came to a lot of conclusions from my post suggesting you should have our top goal scorer on that list I have no idea how it is going to be on here now it is not really my decision 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said: How can people say Grant, Forrest and Shankland haven’t improved our squad? It’s been said a million times that we aren’t spending all the money we got from Europe, and it will be spread out over the years so we can keep building. There is also 3 weeks left of the window. Pretty much because it suits their own petty little agendas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) I am not convinced the current squad is better than last season. I think we are about the same. The big difference is other teams apart to be better and 3rd is not a given. We are 3 maybe 4 of the correct players short if we really want to kick on Edited August 7, 2022 by savage Sp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, Sooks said: You inferred a lot and came to a lot of conclusions from my post suggesting you should have our top goal scorer on that list I have no idea how it is going to be on here now it is not really my decision 😄 I haven’t inferred anything. I’m just comparing our signings this summer with last summer. They are of roughly even standard and we could have signed the type of player we signed this summer last summer. If we could sign Kingsley 2 years ago and McKay last year do you think we’ve signed better this summer? If not we aren’t getting stronger. Pretty simple concept mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: I haven’t inferred anything. I’m just comparing our signings this summer with last summer. They are of roughly even standard and we could have signed the type of player we signed this summer last summer. If we could sign Kingsley 2 years ago and McKay last year do you think we’ve signed better this summer? If not we aren’t getting stronger. Pretty simple concept mate. I never argued any thing to the contrary all I said was you had missed our top goal scorer from your list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: I never argued any thing to the contrary all I said was you had missed our top goal scorer from your list Who has only scored 2 league goals this year. #downward curve Edited August 7, 2022 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Rudi Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said: How can people say Grant, Forrest and Shankland haven’t improved our squad? It’s been said a million times that we aren’t spending all the money we got from Europe, and it will be spread out over the years so we can keep building. There is also 3 weeks left of the window. Agreed. I would add Rowles and a fully signed Cochrane to that list. Still the odd gap to fill but let's hope there are one or two signings still in the pipeline. A great season ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi cant fail Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 A few players still required, and ideally need to move a few out. We defo need a decent right sided centre half. Sibbick should be nowhere near our match day squad as a defender. He’s not good enough. Him and Atkinson together on the the right is a weakness that will be exploited on a regular basis as neither can defend. A decent winger and another striker too. When you play both Boyce and shankland from the start there is nobody to bring on when both are knackered after 60-70 mins. really think we are going to struggle with our current squad with the added European games and travelling. We might still have enough to finish third but I think that will largely depend on other wether or not other teams can capitalise on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Rudi cant fail said: A few players still required, and ideally need to move a few out. We defo need a decent right sided centre half. Sibbick should be nowhere near our match day squad as a defender. He’s not good enough. Him and Atkinson together on the the right is a weakness that will be exploited on a regular basis as neither can defend. A decent winger and another striker too. When you play both Boyce and shankland from the start there is nobody to bring on when both are knackered after 60-70 mins. really think we are going to struggle with our current squad with the added European games and travelling. We might still have enough to finish third but I think that will largely depend on other wether or not other teams can capitalise on this. Agree with this. We badly need to find a replacement for Simms in my opinion. Not going to be easy, but we need to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Rudi cant fail said: A few players still required, and ideally need to move a few out. We defo need a decent right sided centre half. Sibbick should be nowhere near our match day squad as a defender. He’s not good enough. Him and Atkinson together on the the right is a weakness that will be exploited on a regular basis as neither can defend. A decent winger and another striker too. When you play both Boyce and shankland from the start there is nobody to bring on when both are knackered after 60-70 mins. really think we are going to struggle with our current squad with the added European games and travelling. We might still have enough to finish third but I think that will largely depend on other wether or not other teams can capitalise on this. Just as well that Robbie and Big Joe have repeatedly said that we're not finished buying folk then isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, tiger Rudi said: Agreed. I would add Rowles and a fully signed Cochrane to that list. Still the odd gap to fill but let's hope there are one or two signings still in the pipeline. A great season ahead! There is a subtlety to the point. Ate the players mentioned above the quality of player we could or did sign last season. The answer quite clearly is no. Look, I think they are decent players. But if you think we couldn’t have signed a player like Forrest last season you are having a laugh. For example Woodburn was, in theory, head an shoulders above Forrest. But we haven’t signed a player of that sort of level this summer. So i am not slagging our signings this summer I am just saying they are not a level up from who we signed last summer. I don’t know how that can be denied to be honest. Edited August 7, 2022 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: You don’t think we could have signed a proven Championship striker last season? I happen to think Shankland will do well for us but we could quite clearly have signed a player of that sort of quality last season. My point is I don’t see the incremental improvement in quality. We haven’t signed anyone as good as or better than our key players from last season. Our key players from last season: Gordon Halkett Kingsley Souttar Beni Devlin McKay Simms Nobody we have signed yet is better than any of these therefore we are not i proving the team as we should be. For example. We apparently lost out to Obafemi on the final day of the window last summer. Do we have a target better than him for this season? I do think we need a bit a talisman like signing. Boyle is that for Hibs and having someone of a similar sort of ability would do our season wonders. I suppose you could argue thats Gordon, but as we saw today, a goalkeeper can only do so much. I hope a big signing is in the works because I think that may just be the missing piece of the jigsaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hood09 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I would love to know where the FOH money is going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, OTT said: I do think we need a bit a talisman like signing. Boyle is that for Hibs and having someone of a similar sort of ability would do our season wonders. I suppose you could argue thats Gordon, but as we saw today, a goalkeeper can only do so much. I hope a big signing is in the works because I think that may just be the missing piece of the jigsaw. We need at least 2 big signings but I’d prefer 3 - one for each third of the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hood09 said: I would love to know where the FOH money is going To the club. Where do you think it is going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OTT said: I do think we need a bit a talisman like signing. Boyle is that for Hibs and having someone of a similar sort of ability would do our season wonders. I suppose you could argue thats Gordon, but as we saw today, a goalkeeper can only do so much. I hope a big signing is in the works because I think that may just be the missing piece of the jigsaw. To me the key is replacing Simms because we need someone who can hold the ball up and boss defenders, linking with Shankland. As others have said we have two strikers in Boyce and Shankland and no replacements of similar quality to rotate. The concern for me is the out ball when under pressure. Edited August 7, 2022 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Lee Woo,Ogashiwa and another please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Lee Woo,Ogashiwa and another please. Ogashiwa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, tiger Rudi said: Agreed. I would add Rowles and a fully signed Cochrane to that list. Still the odd gap to fill but let's hope there are one or two signings still in the pipeline. A great season ahead! Folk want a striker but to me the RCB position is an even bigger need. I haven't seen Davenport play but he sounds fine for the midfield position. We clearly thought we were close to done with Lee but either not to be or requiring a bit more graft. The RCB position is critical though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, MattyK82 said: Ogashiwa? Maybe we will revisit the Ogashiwa deal again?who knows… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Rudi Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: There is a subtlety to the point. Ate the players mentioned above the quality of player we could or did sign last season. The answer quite clearly is no. Look, I think they are decent players. But if you think we couldn’t have signed a player like Forrest last season you are having a laugh. For example Woodburn was, in theory, head an shoulders above Forrest. But we haven’t signed a player of that sort of level this summer. So i am not slagging our signings this summer I am just saying they are not a level up from who we signed last summer. I don’t know how that can be denied to be honest. In theory being the point. If you count Beningime & McKay then yes, we haven't signed players of that calibre. Thinking Grant, Shankland, & Rowles will all prove to be an upgrade on Mceneff Ginelly & Woodburn tbh. Bearing in mind their positional differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I feel sorry for Tom Hardy's dog tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB-14 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, Hood09 said: I would love to know where the FOH money is going Jesus ****ing Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB-14 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Maybe we will revisit the Ogashiwa deal again?who knows… Would be surprised if we sign two forwards personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevy Chase Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, Hood09 said: I would love to know where the FOH money is going If you contributed, you’d know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 We need a RCB….a central midfielder with pace and two strikers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, DH1986 said: We need a RCB….a central midfielder with pace and two strikers. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Yeah we badly need more pace in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Everyone wants pace, everyone wants goals, everyone with pace and goals can pick and choose, hence why it is the last deal any club will probably execute. Its not hard to understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 If we sign Lee Seung woo Davenport And a big strong target man type up front. I think our business would be done and I would be very happy with that going into the new season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I think this game was just a little to early into Forrest’s Hearts career, especially with the whole team not functioning at the required level as yet, but I think he will have an influence in big games as the season goes on. We desperately need a number 8 (proper Cameron/Hartley box to box midfielder) and another striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 56 minutes ago, Arthur Morgan said: Yeah we badly need more pace in the squad. I think we’ve said this the past 100 transfer windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Agentjambo said: Lee Woo,Ogashiwa and another please. would be delighted with those two, but just cant see us making a bid for Ogashiwa this summer. Surely after he has finally got fit again and made an impact today they would not want to let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Fives Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Desperately needed legs to stretch the game in the last 20 mins or so. Neilson clearly had no confidence in Ginelly or Henderson to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddysBar Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Not that impressed with recruitment so far. They all look reasonably decent but apart from Shankland I don’t see many upgrades on last year (in a year we need to be higher quality for Europe etc). I wasn’t expecting EPL players on £10/20k a week but was expecting better than Forrest, Grant etc. to be honest. Still time though and hopefully we still have a plan to get in 3/4 of real (for our level) quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, High Fives said: Desperately needed legs to stretch the game in the last 20 mins or so. Neilson clearly had no confidence in Ginelly or Henderson to do that. We just needed someone between Haring / Devlin and Shankland. Boyce was out on his feet. Grant didn’t have a great game, but he could’ve been that outlet, that link, as he looked fitter. Bring Devlin on for Boyce instead of Grant and we have much more control over the end of that game. Edited August 7, 2022 by BackOfTheNet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, LarrysRightFoot said: I think we’ve said this the past 100 transfer windows. Yep, and it doesn't get any less true 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) Only 2 games played (unbeaten) and people still writing the new signings off as poor. 2 fecking games. Unbelievable. Edited August 7, 2022 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, Arthur Morgan said: Yep, and it doesn't get any less true 😅 We don't have the money for players we would really like to sign. We need to deal in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macros Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Hood09 said: I would love to know where the FOH money is going On a day of shit, knee jerk posting due to a last minute equaliser, this one takes the biscuit. Have a word with yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Macros said: On a day of shit, knee jerk posting due to a last minute equaliser, this one takes the biscuit. Have a word with yourself. Suspect this one is Hibs. Celebrating a draw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 If you never knew the score you and came on here you would think we would have been gubbed and had zero attacking threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Have we signed anyone this season of a quality we couldn’t have signed last season? I think the answer is clearly “no”. So, we need to see that soon otherwise the recruitment team will have a fail against them for this window. Totally agree with this, where are the quality signings we needed for a season that will demand so much. They have talked a great deal about it pre season, but I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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