Guest Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, heatonjambo said: Mate, the whole stand design was a disaster . the only quality feature was the glazing installation. shouldn’t have been that type of glazing but Installed exceptionally well What type of glazing should it have been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, davemclaren said: We weren't the first though. One end at Bolton was empty for a few years before becoming a...hotel. Of course but I do not remember any of them screaming about our unfinished stadium either …………. Jealousy is flattery by another name though to be fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: I know you are a hotel guy Jimmy but I think your numbers are based on some assumptions which may be flawed. (Just an opinion) Just as an example. ,Hearts fans will book it over alternatives, I for one am looking forward to sleeping over with the wife and popping my tynecastle cherry and I’m guessing about 15,000 jambos are thinking likewise (with their own wives not mine before anyone comes the *****) , fans who travel to games will also look to stay at tynecastle and you never know some visiting fans will do as well. There will be the novelty Christmas pressies of an overnight, those who look to stay over after hospitality. the is also talk of a tie in with the SRU and again the internationals. We won’t have a huge number of rooms, I’d be pretty confident our occupancy will be higher than the Edinburgh average. my wife was the revenue manager for a Scotland based chain for a decade and reckons it will do very well. Wedding nights.........lost cherries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) . Edited August 30, 2023 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Only really about ten annual events at Murrayfield where we may get some customers , hotels rarely go out of business though so no doubt we will be making money. Lidicrous to expect any thing else really . Familiarity perhaps breeds contempt but anyone who thinks that Gorgie is any worse than multiple areas with successful restaurants and hotels further from the city centre is living in another dimension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: Of course but I do not remember any of them screaming about our unfinished stadium either …………. Jealousy is flattery by another name though to be fair The original plan iirc was for the 'empty' floor to be the club offices but I imagine that the cost overruns, and the fact that the offices under the Wheatfield were perfectly adequate, changed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Sooks said: Lidicrous to expect any thing else really . Familiarity perhaps breeds contempt but anyone who thinks that Gorgie is any worse than multiple areas with successful restaurants and hotels further from the city centre is living in another dimension I live in Gorgie, there were definitely more festival goers kicking around this month, student flats maybe rented out. We could do with a few more restaurants tbh and hopefully the hotel will help the area get even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatonjambo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Black Swan said: What type of glazing should it have been? Something like technal horizontal but the principle issue was it was just designed wrong i don’t know who installed the glazinging but they did s fantastic job with the budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, heatonjambo said: Something like technal horizontal but the principle issue was it was just designed wrong i don’t know who installed the glazinging but they did s fantastic job with the budget @Thomaso 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, JimmyCant said: It’s factual based on 17 years experience in the Edinburgh 4/5 star hotel industry at management level, although I should have worded it differently. It’s not the percentage of guests who spend extra, it’s the extra spend as a percentage of room revenue That makes more sense. I was having trouble working out how only 15-20% of guests spent anything extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: we have named it . I think he meant why havent we named the stand yet. Which of course we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) DP. Edited August 30, 2023 by hughesie27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I can imagine the conversation. ”What we going to spend a ton of cash on next then peeps?” ”I know let’s make a hotel” ”Brilliant idea. How much will it cost and will it make money?” ”Absolutely no idea but I think we should do it anyway” ”Yeah **** it. Let’s just build the ****er and see what happens” Away from that level of idiocy we have some very intelligent people working for the club. People used to working out budgets, forecasts and generally applying due diligence. Not some Mickey Mouse outfit. This project would have been submitted to the board for approval and quite simply would not have been given the go ahead of it wasn’t feasible or profitable. A little trust is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: I live in Gorgie, there were definitely more festival goers kicking around this month, student flats maybe rented out. We could do with a few more restaurants tbh and hopefully the hotel will help the area get even better. It will come . We should get a reduction on our rates for single handedly bringing the place up a bit when the council have spent **** all for decades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, davemclaren said: The original plan iirc was for the 'empty' floor to be the club offices but I imagine that the cost overruns, and the fact that the offices under the Wheatfield were perfectly adequate, changed that. I remember some thing about that too . Unfinished and twice the cost though likesay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 That PSV stand opposite the cameras, that would make a perfect new Wheatfield 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalstonjambo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said: I can imagine the conversation. ”What we going to spend a ton of cash on next then peeps?” ”I know let’s make a hotel” ”Brilliant idea. How much will it cost and will it make money?” ”Absolutely no idea but I think we should do it anyway” ”Yeah **** it. Let’s just build the ****er and see what happens” Away from that level of idiocy we have some very intelligent people working for the club. People used to working out budgets, forecasts and generally applying due diligence. Not some Mickey Mouse outfit. This project would have been submitted to the board for approval and quite simply would not have been given the go ahead of it wasn’t feasible or profitable. A little trust is required. Spot on. The amount of people on this thread who seem to think the whole thing is basically guess work is wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Dave Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, JimmyCant said: It will do well. I didn’t indicate it wouldn’t. I’ve also no doubt that Hearts fans will boost the occupancy. My original point stands though. Even at 100% occupancy (which just isn’t feasible but let’s imagine it goes close and a good room rate (which you can achieve if the product is nice and you sell it effectively, the turnover has a ceiling circa £1million PA and the take home profit is about 35% of that. Dont forget all of the conferencing space & meeting room facilities that have been/are being added. The addition of the hotel rooms and associated entertainment spaces will mean the club can generate more revenue, drive more customers into the restaurant and bar….. some might even stray into the shop. Instead of the stadium being used 25 days per year, it will genuinely be generating money all year round. Weddings and events will be another decent earner now we have the hotel rooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said: I can imagine the conversation. ”What we going to spend a ton of cash on next then peeps?” ”I know let’s make a hotel” ”Brilliant idea. How much will it cost and will it make money?” ”Absolutely no idea but I think we should do it anyway” ”Yeah **** it. Let’s just build the ****er and see what happens” Away from that level of idiocy we have some very intelligent people working for the club. People used to working out budgets, forecasts and generally applying due diligence. Not some Mickey Mouse outfit. This project would have been submitted to the board for approval and quite simply would not have been given the go ahead of it wasn’t feasible or profitable. A little trust is required. “people used to working out budgets” aye, right enough. Although a hotel in Edinburgh is going to do well. We’re close enough to town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, heatonjambo said: Mate, the whole stand design was a disaster . the only quality feature was the glazing installation. shouldn’t have been that type of glazing but Installed exceptionally well Cheers 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, heatonjambo said: Something like technal horizontal but the principle issue was it was just designed wrong i don’t know who installed the glazinging but they did s fantastic job with the budget Henshaw installed the glazed facade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Surely we really should’ve employed a proper designer to come up with ideas on what to do with all the space? For example the the bar should be bigger to maximise revenue on match days, with a divider to make it smaller for other days, and sell bar meals for those that don’t want to use the restaurant. The ticket office should have more than 5 windows also. I would imagine a Hearts themed Gym would be popular too. It’s really not rocket science. The bar really annoys me. It’s one of the worst viewing experiences when watching matches. There’s about 3 spots in the whole bar you can comfortably see a TV. It should be a proper hearts themed sports bar with another 5-10 higher placed TVs, booths with TV’s, bar food etc. They could have live music, student nights, quizzes etc. Coventry’s attempt is brilliant. https://maps.app.goo.gl/apypWqnbuX3GfpJ19?g_st=ic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Any one know when the hotel opens....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Section Q said: Any one know when the hotel opens....? Finished in December so would imagine open soon after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Black Swan said: What type of glazing should it have been? I don't know what it's called, but think Festival Theatre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Finished in December so would imagine open soon after Christmas market/Hogmanay would be a good shout then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said: Christmas market/Hogmanay would be a good shout then Yeah start bringing money in straight away , good investment by the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Anyone know the dimensions of the rooms? Might be perspective and all that but they look pretty small on the drawings posted a few pages ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatonjambo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 12 hours ago, Thomaso said: Henshaw installed the glazed facade Ahh good to know that. i assume you work for them 😀 it is fitted extremely well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 21 hours ago, chrisyboy7 said: The hotel will bring in upto 2 million per year. Including food and drink...its a great investment by the club. Profit must be in the region of 1-1.3 million...you'll find that during new year, Easter and the festival it will be over £180.00 per room per night even over 200 as its Edinburgh...like our stadium, it won't be big enough for the demand. Maybe we can add on somehow in future.. clubs never been in such great financial position ever. When Beyoncé was playing at murrayfield. The bruntsfield hotel was full. The room rate for that weekend was £495 not including breakfast. Standard room at that. Given our proximity to Murrayfield we could easily get 300 plus a night when these events are on. Makes up for the quieter / leaner periods but we are definitely on the right track with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 34 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said: When Beyoncé was playing at murrayfield. The bruntsfield hotel was full. The room rate for that weekend was £495 not including breakfast. Standard room at that. Given our proximity to Murrayfield we could easily get 300 plus a night when these events are on. Makes up for the quieter / leaner periods but we are definitely on the right track with this. Three gigs in a row as well Springsteen , Beyoncé and Styles …………. if that is the plan for future then it could be a proper wee earner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Will the hotel have a suspended ceiling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Craigieboy said: Will the hotel have a suspended ceiling? 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts_fan Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) What’s the plan for hotel and conference guest parking? Is it the area at GR/WS corner? I’m never round that way so haven’t seen that in years. Edited August 31, 2023 by Hearts_fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 12 hours ago, heatonjambo said: Ahh good to know that. i assume you work for them 😀 it is fitted extremely well Retired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Craigieboy said: Will the hotel have a suspended ceiling? TBC depends on the outcome of A-ppealing Wallpaper … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Keep Rowles in the team and we won't need to worry about Stadium expansion or a waiting list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Maybe not huge information but I was at the stadium tour today and the tour guide seemed to suggest that the home and away dugouts will be swapped. Not sure when this is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 1 minute ago, heartsfc_fan said: Maybe not huge information but I was at the stadium tour today and the tour guide seemed to suggest that the home and away dugouts will be swapped. Not sure when this is happening. you sure he didn’t say that Caaba laszlo swapped them so he could talk to the stand side linesman!! long been a talking point on the tour. Wouldn’t really be much logic to switch back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said: Maybe not huge information but I was at the stadium tour today and the tour guide seemed to suggest that the home and away dugouts will be swapped. Not sure when this is happening. Was it not Levein who influenced having the new stand designed with them off centre so the home dugout had a slightly better view? That’s worked out well Edited September 9, 2023 by kila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Just now, kingantti1874 said: you sure he didn’t say that Caaba laszlo swapped them so he could talk to the stand side linesman!! long been a talking point on the tour. Wouldn’t really be much logic to switch back Yes. He did mention Laszlo but I then went into say he believes they will be swapped back as the subs at the moment have to cross over each opposing dugout to warm up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4nny_ Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said: Maybe not huge information but I was at the stadium tour today and the tour guide seemed to suggest that the home and away dugouts will be swapped. Not sure when this is happening. Would be surprised at that tbh. The home dugout is right on the half way line. Couldn’t ask for a better view for the home dugout tbh! Edited September 9, 2023 by D4nny_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said: Yes. He did mention Laszlo but I then went into say he believes they will be swapped back as the subs at the moment have to cross over each opposing dugout to warm up. It is a bit weird that our dugout is at the away end side so wouldn't be surprised if we're made to swap back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Hungry hippo said: It is a bit weird that our dugout is at the away end side so wouldn't be surprised if we're made to swap back. That's what he seemed to suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-in-furness Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 DRATT, I will have to practice a longer coin throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 59 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said: Maybe not huge information but I was at the stadium tour today and the tour guide seemed to suggest that the home and away dugouts will be swapped. Not sure when this is happening. Perhaps expanding and moving the pitch towards the school end so the ‘traditional’ away bench becomes more central? Makes sense to me .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 45 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said: Perhaps expanding and moving the pitch towards the school end so the ‘traditional’ away bench becomes more central? Makes sense to me .. This raises the question, what have you been drinking??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 1 hour ago, kila said: Was it not Levein who influenced having the new stand designed with them off centre so the home dugout had a slightly better view? That’s worked out well It’s pretty cringeworthy. Ruins Tynecastle if being used for a neutral fixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bungalow Bill said: It’s pretty cringeworthy. Ruins Tynecastle if being used for a neutral fixture. It was off centre with the old stand and we've had plenty of non- hearts games at the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said: It was off centre with the old stand and we've had plenty of non- hearts games at the stadium. I know that, but we had an opportunity to correct that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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