Newcastle United

[Four faces]

4 hours ago, Furious Styles said:

knew there was something wrong about him. 

I;ve went right off him now.

[kingantti1874]

Given the human rights abuses and crimes committed by states associated with other major football teams, Man City, PSG, Inter Milan to name but a few I’m not clear why this one is different.

 

are we just picking a choosing what violations and crimes are acceptable and which are not. Where is that line?

 

im not defending this, I don’t like it / it shouldn’t be allow but some staggering hypocrisy and double standards being applied. 

[Remnants of Standards]

3 hours ago, sassenach said:

They always dominate the North East media, even when they aren't in the Premier League, and even in the days before the Premier League.

 

It's a fact that Newcastle didn't win one single League game at Ayresome Park during my lifetime, and I was born in 1965.  Despite this, the media was always full of what McDonald/Beardsley/Keegan/Quinn were going to do to Boro.  Meanwhile, Hickton/Currie/Slaven/Baird simply got on quietly with the job of beating them.  Again!

 

And big clubs win trophies 🤔

Trophy Virgins my Boro mate calls them

[JackLadd]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

Given the human rights abuses and crimes committed by states associated with other major football teams, Man City, PSG, Inter Milan to name but a few I’m not clear why this one is different.

 

are we just picking a choosing what violations and crimes are acceptable and which are not. Where is that line?

 

im not defending this, I don’t like it / it shouldn’t be allow but some staggering hypocrisy and double standards being applied. 

 

There is no line. I bet Kim Jong-Un could buy an epl franchise, probably in the pipe. 

[ri Alban]

Good luck to them. Their fans would appreciate a bit of success, unlike other clubs down there.

[Forever Hearts]

7 hours ago, sassenach said:

They've won nowt in the modern era.  Even Boro have won a cheeky League Cup in the 21st Century.

 

And please don't pretend that the invitation tournament called the Fairs Cup was a proper trophy.

Oh right, I didn't realise you got to decide when the cut off date was for relevant trophies. 

[Forever Hearts]

6 hours ago, Remnants of Standards said:

Trophy Virgins my Boro mate calls them

Bit of a daft name to call them when they've won about ten trophies compared to Boro's one trophy.😂

[Des Lynam]

6 hours ago, kingantti1874 said:

Given the human rights abuses and crimes committed by states associated with other major football teams, Man City, PSG, Inter Milan to name but a few I’m not clear why this one is different.

 

are we just picking a choosing what violations and crimes are acceptable and which are not. Where is that line?

 

im not defending this, I don’t like it / it shouldn’t be allow but some staggering hypocrisy and double standards being applied. 

 

 

 

[ri Alban]

So every thread you open, you get slapped about with ads about the subject. Phone full of Newcastle merchandise, atm. It's happened on a number of threads.Or is it just me. 

I won't be opening a certain thread in the shed. Just in case the devil appears on my phone .

[sassenach]

30 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said:

Oh right, I didn't realise you got to decide when the cut off date was for relevant trophies. 

 

But how relevant are trophies that were won before most of the fans were even born?

[sassenach]

9 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

So every thread you open, you get slapped about with ads about the subject. Phone full of Newcastle merchandise, atm. It's happened on a number of threads.Or is it just me. 

I won't be opening a certain thread in the shed. Just in case the devil appears on my phone .

 

I use the Brave browser on my Android phone.  No ads on any website, including EEN etc.

[Forever Hearts]

2 minutes ago, sassenach said:

 

But how relevant are trophies that were won before most of the fans were even born?

So all the trophies Hearts greats like Conn, Bauld, Wardhaugh, Cumming and Mackay won are pretty much irrelevant because they were won before most of us were born? 

[Mr Sifter]

15 hours ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:

That’s easy. We won’t sell our souls.

 

Kickback is for our souls.

Just reading through this thread for the first time and I swear I hope this post has had the recognition it deserves 🤣🤣👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[highlandjambo3]

27 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

So every thread you open, you get slapped about with ads about the subject. Phone full of Newcastle merchandise, atm. It's happened on a number of threads.Or is it just me. 

I won't be opening a certain thread in the shed. Just in case the devil appears on my phone .

You wont be looking in the mirror either then? 😂

[Costanza]

10 hours ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:

Their supporters trust seems happy enough

 

 

 

Some of the replies are quite funny

("The Royal Penis is clean your Highness")

 

but seriously what a nauseating response. I take it their FoH equivalent, the 1892 pledge will be wound up now.

[indianajones]

Tourist league.

[VALDOS']

The thing about it that raises the biggest suspicion is, why Newcastle?

For the sort of money this group have, they could have had just about anyone.

[ri Alban]

46 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

You wont be looking in the mirror either then? 😂

I'm God. 👍

[Nookie Bear]

11 hours ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:

Their supporters trust seems happy enough

 

 

 

Basically a more polite version of the “please may I have your shirt” signs. 

[fast_blood]

Anyone who watches the English prem or champions league cannot slate this takeover. It's all about money and was only a matter of time before the Saudis got involved. To suggest the Premier league should block it when the various governments around the world aren't doing much about it is daft. 

 

I've never met a Newcastle supporter that has demanded titles. All they want is to compete and to not expect relegation every season. Already this season its looking bleak on the pitch and we're only a handful of games in. 

 

The buzz in the city will be pretty obvious over the next few days and weeks. Looking forward to it. 

[sassenach]

1 hour ago, Forever Hearts said:

So all the trophies Hearts greats like Conn, Bauld, Wardhaugh, Cumming and Mackay won are pretty much irrelevant because they were won before most of us were born? 

I didn't say that.  But plenty on here repeatedly say what a release 1998 was, because they had actually SEEN hearts win a trophy, not just read about it.

 

Big clubs win trophies. Newcastle stopped winning trophies over 60 years ago.  But the North East media still treat them as a massive club, that was my point.

[gregzy2k7]

Not sure about the Saudi owners personal dealings in anything but they seem to be absolutely minted and I for one am happy for the long suffering magpie fans,they deserve it after being so shit for a very long time, hope it works out for them.

[highlandjambo3]

Am I right in saying that it wasn’t that long ago their fans trust/supporters club etc were applauding us for out fan ownership model and muted something similar…………

Guess that’s out the window now with WONGS signs flashing before their very eyes.  Not sure how I would be taking this if it was us.  
 

Big question, it’s certainly not a money making adventure so what is it?  Bragging rights of owning an English premiership club as well as a few super yachts/race horses.  How many Saudis could point to Newcastle on a UK map?  
 

I think I’d be quietly optimistic.  An interesting watch.

[Maroon Sailor]

13 minutes ago, sassenach said:

I didn't say that.  But plenty on here repeatedly say what a release 1998 was, because they had actually SEEN hearts win a trophy, not just read about it.

 

Big clubs win trophies. Newcastle stopped winning trophies over 60 years ago.  But the North East media still treat them as a massive club, that was my point.

 

Small clubs don't get sold for £300 million

[highlandjambo3]

2 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Am I right in saying that it wasn’t that long ago their fans trust/supporters club etc were applauding us for out fan ownership model and muted something similar…………

Guess that’s out the window now with WONGS signs flashing before their very eyes.  Not sure how I would be taking this if it was us.  
 

Big question, it’s certainly not a money making adventure so what is it?  Bragging rights of owning an English premiership club as well as a few super yachts/race horses.  How many Saudis could point to Newcastle on a UK map?  
 

I think I’d be quietly optimistic.  An interesting watch.

Actually, how many Geordies could point to Newcastle on a map 😂😂

 

QUESTION: What’s the difference between a kangaroo and a kangaroot?
 

one is an Australian marsupial………the other is a Geordie stuck in a lift

[Ribble]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Good luck to them. Their fans would appreciate a bit of success, unlike other clubs down there.

correct, can’t see Jose/Conte or whoever ends up in charge having to come out and ask the toon fans to pitch up for champions league games!

[Forever Hearts]

24 minutes ago, sassenach said:

I didn't say that.  But plenty on here repeatedly say what a release 1998 was, because they had actually SEEN hearts win a trophy, not just read about it.

 

Big clubs win trophies. Newcastle stopped winning trophies over 60 years ago.  But the North East media still treat them as a massive club, that was my point.

I've only seen Hearts win three trophies in 45 years of supporting them. Are we a big club despite massively under achieving when it comes to trophies? 

[Ribble]

14 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Am I right in saying that it wasn’t that long ago their fans trust/supporters club etc were applauding us for out fan ownership model and muted something similar…………

Guess that’s out the window now with WONGS signs flashing before their very eyes.  Not sure how I would be taking this if it was us.  
 

Big question, it’s certainly not a money making adventure so what is it?  Bragging rights of owning an English premiership club as well as a few super yachts/race horses.  How many Saudis could point to Newcastle on a UK map?  
 

I think I’d be quietly optimistic.  An interesting watch.

It could easily become a money making exercise, fat Mike had them running at a £38m profit despite being utterly toxic in terms of outside sponsorship, the Saudis will easily increase turnover, something Ashley has failed to do since around 2007

[Nookie Bear]

18 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Am I right in saying that it wasn’t that long ago their fans trust/supporters club etc were applauding us for out fan ownership model and muted something similar…………

Guess that’s out the window now with WONGS signs flashing before their very eyes.  Not sure how I would be taking this if it was us.  
 

Big question, it’s certainly not a money making adventure so what is it?  Bragging rights of owning an English premiership club as well as a few super yachts/race horses.  How many Saudis could point to Newcastle on a UK map?  
 

I think I’d be quietly optimistic.  An interesting watch.

Would be a bold move by FoH to turn down that kind of investment. They could even pay to finish off the trams as well 😮

[sassenach]

4 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said:

I've only seen Hearts win three trophies in 45 years of supporting them. Are we a big club despite massively under achieving when it comes to trophies? 

Three more than Newcastle then.  Of course Hearts are a big club - a huge club in fact.  Why would that be in doubt?

[highlandjambo3]

4 minutes ago, Ribble said:

It could easily become a money making exercise, fat Mike had them running at a £38m profit despite being utterly toxic in terms of outside sponsorship, the Saudis will easily increase turnover, something Ashley has failed to do since around 2007

Yes but Ashley put nowt into the pot…….Saudis will be expected to WONGA out very quickly and, as I eluded to, don’t think the Saudis are in this to make dosh……..win the premiership within 5 years?  

[sassenach]

19 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

 

Small clubs don't get sold for £300 million

 

You have summarised, in one short sentence, everything that is wrong with modern football.

[SE16 3LN]

2 hours ago, sassenach said:

 

But how relevant are trophies that were won before most of the fans were even born?

Every Hearts Trophy won is a crucial part of the club and its glorious history. You're wrong on this point for sure.

[Forever Hearts]

16 minutes ago, sassenach said:

Three more than Newcastle then.  Of course Hearts are a big club - a huge club in fact.  Why would that be in doubt?

Because we don't win a lot of trophies? Were Manchester United a small club when they went 26 years without winning the league? 

[sassenach]

Just now, Forever Hearts said:

Because we don't win a lot of trophies? Were Manchester United a small club when they went 26 years without winning the league? 

 

No. But if they had gone 60+ years, then perhaps.

[Forever Hearts]

1 minute ago, sassenach said:

 

No. But if they had gone 60+ years, then perhaps.

Again, it seems to be you deciding the timescale for when trophy wins are relevant. 

[Maroon Sailor]

8 minutes ago, sassenach said:

 

You have summarised, in one short sentence, everything that is wrong with modern football.

 

I've summarised that Newcastle are a big club. Maybe not in terms of winning trophies recently but I think Wigan fans will concede they are not a big club just because they won the FA cup.

 

The clubs that win trophies now, on a regular basis all have serious money to achieve that.

[sassenach]

2 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said:

Again, it seems to be you deciding the timescale for when trophy wins are relevant. 

OK then, fair enough.

 

Sunderland have been English champions 6 times, but Newcastle only 4.  Which is the bigger club?

[Maroon Sailor]

1 minute ago, sassenach said:

OK then, fair enough.

 

Sunderland have been English champions 6 times, but Newcastle only 4.  Which is the bigger club?

 

Not a case of who is bigger. Both are big clubs

[Forever Hearts]

3 minutes ago, sassenach said:

OK then, fair enough.

 

Sunderland have been English champions 6 times, but Newcastle only 4.  Which is the bigger club?

I'd honestly say there's not much in it with those two. Sunderland are a far bigger club (potentially) than people realise. 

 

 

[AlphonseCapone]

Who gives a ****. I'm a Hearts and Scottish football fan. Maybe wake me up when English football finally collapses. 

[sassenach]

Just now, Maroon Sailor said:

 

Not a case of who is bigger. Both are big clubs

 

But Newcastle dominate the regional media, and always do, even when they are doing poorly.

 

I've not wanted to make my contribution to this thread about the relative sizes of clubs, so apologies for that.  It's just that, unless another club actually achieves something, the focus is always on Newcastle regardless.

 

I understand that Newcastle are currently in the Premier League, but there have been plenty of times over the last 50+ years when they have been utterly ordinary.  Despite this, they still hogged the regional limelight.  I would have thought that Hearts fans especially, frustrated at the constant Glasgow bias, would understand this.

[Maroon Sailor]

2 minutes ago, sassenach said:

 

But Newcastle dominate the regional media, and always do, even when they are doing poorly.

 

I've not wanted to make my contribution to this thread about the relative sizes of clubs, so apologies for that.  It's just that, unless another club actually achieves something, the focus is always on Newcastle regardless.

 

I understand that Newcastle are currently in the Premier League, but there have been plenty of times over the last 50+ years when they have been utterly ordinary.  Despite this, they still hogged the regional limelight.  I would have thought that Hearts fans especially, frustrated at the constant Glasgow bias, would understand this.

 

We have our regional news on STV now so a bit better

 

It's still Reporting Glasgow on the BBC though

[Ribble]

32 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Yes but Ashley put nowt into the pot…….Saudis will be expected to WONGA out very quickly and, as I eluded to, don’t think the Saudis are in this to make dosh……..win the premiership within 5 years?  

 

That was my point, Ashley put no money in yet the club still turned a profit despite revenues (especially sponsorship) not increasing since something like 2007 due to Mike Ashley being toxic in that space due to things like naming SJP the Sports direct arena for a pittance. If you take a club that is already profitable and then apply a 14 year catchup in things like sponsorship revenues then it substantially reduces the amount of money that needs to be ploughed into Newcastle. Yes there will be an initial injection of cash but that is somewhat paid back by increased prize money (going from their current 19th to say 10th would increase that prize money by around £40m this season alone). 

 

Don't get me wrong, the Saudis may not care a jot about losing 5/600m from owning Newcastle if it helps sports wash their country however they could organically grow Newcastle without incurring huge losses. Time will tell which way they go.

[Maroon Sailor]

 

Now that would be some Newcastle team !🤣

[JackLadd]

I wonder if the Sauds will secure the £300m paid as mortgage debt and start paying themselves a £20m annual dividend like the Glazer shithouses. That would take the smile of these mag fans.

[Harry Potter]

2 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said:

Not sure about the Saudi owners personal dealings in anything but they seem to be absolutely minted and I for one am happy for the long suffering magpie fans,they deserve it after being so shit for a very long time, hope it works out for them.

Always had a soft spot for Newcastle, being closer to Edinburgh than any other premiership team,

hope this all works out well for the club, their fans deserve a wee bit success.

 

[TexasAndy]

I'm not a fan of what the EPL has become with all the artificial investment.  If it's going to happen to any club then Newcastle would probably be the place that the fan base would most appreciate it.  I used to be a massive fan of English and Champions League football but never watch it these days.  

[i8hibsh]

I have to say the appeal of foreign billionnaires trying to outspend one another is not high for me.

 

The sooner this league implodes the better.  And, oh it will.  Of that I am sure.

[PortyBeach]

22 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

Do we not deserve some? We quite like football as well but miss out on £millions because of geography. 

Absolutely 👍