Newton51 Posted Tuesday at 17:50 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:50 (edited) Saw this earlier but now been updated as a racist comment Edited Tuesday at 17:51 by Newton51 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
airdriejambo3 Posted Tuesday at 18:06 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:06 I love how when these people try to defend themselves they come out with the "Heat of the moment". Well in my experience the heat of the moment is exactly when you find out the real person inside slips out. Well call it the heat of the moment but the guys a twat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rave MacPherson Posted Tuesday at 18:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:07 I wish the reports would actually say what was said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Locky Posted Tuesday at 18:38 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:38 29 minutes ago, airdriejambo3 said: I love how when these people try to defend themselves they come out with the "Heat of the moment". Well in my experience the heat of the moment is exactly when you find out the real person inside slips out. Well call it the heat of the moment but the guys a twat. Seen it at Tynecastle unfortunately. Or should I say heard it. 'You ****' or words to that affect would be totally fine, but why people feel the need to insert the colour of someone's skin in that is beyond me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been here before Posted Tuesday at 18:48 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:48 39 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: I wish the reports would actually say what was said "The player, Dutch winger Enzio Boldewijn, was on the pitch playing when Ross is alleged to have told shocked substitutes: “He reminds me of one of those African players who is older than he says he is.” Boldewijn was made aware of the comments by his angry dressing room colleagues after the match. The 28-year-old went immediately to captain Michael Doyle to make his feelings clear.". https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/notts-county-assistant-maurice-ross-24038835 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newton51 Posted Tuesday at 18:54 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 18:54 3 minutes ago, been here before said: "The player, Dutch winger Enzio Boldewijn, was on the pitch playing when Ross is alleged to have told shocked substitutes: “He reminds me of one of those African players who is older than he says he is.” Boldewijn was made aware of the comments by his angry dressing room colleagues after the match. The 28-year-old went immediately to captain Michael Doyle to make his feelings clear.". https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/notts-county-assistant-maurice-ross-24038835 Ross always seems a bit of a know all as a pundit but shows he know nothing with a comment like this. Especially with all of the campaigns against racism and he uses a stereotype comment like this about one of his own players Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tazio Posted Tuesday at 19:34 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:34 Malky McKay will take him on as an assistant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Kdogg Posted Tuesday at 19:44 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:44 The real racists see racism everywhere. I really don’t understand how that is racist. The virtue signallers will be having an outrage competition though. As per usual. Way too many people desperate to be a victim these days. I don’t want people being called the N word or any of that stuff but that’s pathetic for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted Tuesday at 19:47 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:47 Is that really a sacking offence? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CostaJambo Posted Tuesday at 19:59 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:59 16 minutes ago, The Kdogg said: The real racists see racism everywhere. I really don’t understand how that is racist. The virtue signallers will be having an outrage competition though. As per usual. Way too many people desperate to be a victim these days. I don’t want people being called the N word or any of that stuff but that’s pathetic for me Agree. If he had said "Saudi" instead of "African" referring to the World U-17 fiasco years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlphonseCapone Posted Tuesday at 20:02 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:02 15 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Is that really a sacking offence? Well he got sacked for it so obviously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john thomas Posted Tuesday at 20:06 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:06 1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said: Well he got sacked for it so obviously. Maybe better question is 'should it be a sacking offence' . No it shouldn't Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShedBoy Posted Tuesday at 20:06 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:06 How is Laryea Kingston these days 🤔 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forever Hearts Posted Tuesday at 20:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:07 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Well he got sacked for it so obviously. I'm fully aware he got sacked for it, smart arse. My question was, was it justified for somebody to lose their job over? Edited Tuesday at 20:07 by Forever Hearts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Locky Posted Tuesday at 20:19 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:19 1 hour ago, been here before said: "The player, Dutch winger Enzio Boldewijn, was on the pitch playing when Ross is alleged to have told shocked substitutes: “He reminds me of one of those African players who is older than he says he is.” Boldewijn was made aware of the comments by his angry dressing room colleagues after the match. The 28-year-old went immediately to captain Michael Doyle to make his feelings clear.". https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/notts-county-assistant-maurice-ross-24038835 Didn't realise it was said about his own player. What a tit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Locky Posted Tuesday at 20:24 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:24 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Is that really a sacking offence? Certainly heard a lot worse, but Boldewijn was offended and that's enough surely. Especially seeing as it came from his own assistant manager. Very bizarre comment to make, even if only meant as a joke. Failure to deal with that might just lead to a revolt among the players who it seems were totally supportive of their team mate. 41 minutes ago, The Kdogg said: The real racists see racism everywhere. I really don’t understand how that is racist. The virtue signallers will be having an outrage competition though. As per usual. Way too many people desperate to be a victim these days. I don’t want people being called the N word or any of that stuff but that’s pathetic for me Not necessarily racist, more ill informed, ignorant and very insensitive, as the original headline alludes to. The only person who's the victim here is Enzio Boldewijn who was the butt of the joke. If he feels offended, then who are we to say different? Edited Tuesday at 20:25 by Locky Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlphonseCapone Posted Tuesday at 20:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:27 19 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: I'm fully aware he got sacked for it, smart arse. My question was, was it justified for somebody to lose their job over? Probably not in my book tbf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newton51 Posted Tuesday at 20:29 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 20:29 21 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: I'm fully aware he got sacked for it, smart arse. My question was, was it justified for somebody to lose their job over? He sounds like a smart arse on the radio and well up himself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigAlim Posted Tuesday at 20:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:30 No point in keeping a coach if the players don’t want him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted Tuesday at 20:32 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:32 28 minutes ago, The Kdogg said: The real racists see racism everywhere. I really don’t understand how that is racist. The virtue signallers will be having an outrage competition though. As per usual. Way too many people desperate to be a victim these days. I don’t want people being called the N word or any of that stuff but that’s pathetic for me Utter nonsense. "Real racists" wouldn't "see racism" at all, in fact they are more likely to dismiss it as "virtue signalling." Better to diminish and ridicule complainers as "over-sensitive" than ask the real questions. To be fair, I've heard worse behind the scenes in pro football but it's only now that racism is being outed rather than tolerated or ignored. There is a scale of outrageous to the unintentional but unless there is a zero tolerance, and real attempts to educate and understand within the game, it will continue as "it's only banter". Racism has to stop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ri Alban Posted Tuesday at 20:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:33 Pretty shite getting the sack for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackLadd Posted Tuesday at 20:36 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:36 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: Pretty shite getting the sack for that. Thought you'd be all for sacking him being a wee progressive snowflake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rave MacPherson Posted Tuesday at 20:57 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:57 31 minutes ago, Locky said: Certainly heard a lot worse, but Boldewijn was offended and that's enough surely. Especially seeing as it came from his own assistant manager. Very bizarre comment to make, even if only meant as a joke. Failure to deal with that might just lead to a revolt among the players who it seems were totally supportive of their team mate. Not necessarily racist, more ill informed, ignorant and very insensitive, as the original headline alludes to. The only person who's the victim here is Enzio Boldewijn who was the butt of the joke. If he feels offended, then who are we to say different? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been here before Posted Tuesday at 21:23 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:23 25 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: Likewise... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spellczech Posted Tuesday at 21:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:30 Offensive? Yup. Racist? That's a stretch - Is it because he's Dutch but being compared to Africans? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Debut 4 Posted Tuesday at 21:35 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:35 There really is no forgiveness in life now, even for the smallest, misguided thing. People are judged, hung, drawn and quartered no matter what. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Des Lynam Posted Tuesday at 21:37 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:37 1 minute ago, Debut 4 said: There really is no forgiveness in life now, even for the smallest, misguided thing. People are judged, hung, drawn and quartered no matter what. This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigAlim Posted Tuesday at 21:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:41 I don’t think this was a racist act personally Having said that I don’t think it’s acceptable in any job for management to slag off an employees appearance behind their back to the other employees. If you’re saying it while including the person you can gamble that they’ll take it as banter but being sly about it is poor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Morgan Posted Tuesday at 21:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:43 6 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: There really is no forgiveness in life now, even for the smallest, misguided thing. People are judged, hung, drawn and quartered no matter what. Correct. It’s almost wrong to breathe nowadays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James1874f Posted Tuesday at 21:51 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:51 1 hour ago, CostaJambo said: Agree. If he had said "Saudi" instead of "African" referring to the World U-17 fiasco years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid. Unfortunately you are correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Section Q Posted Tuesday at 21:55 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:55 2 hours ago, Forever Hearts said: Is that really a sacking offence? My thoughts too. We live in a very defensive world.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luckydug Posted Tuesday at 22:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:13 This sort of intolerance does the fight against actual racism no favours. I wouldn't be surprised if the players have ganged up to get rid of an unpopular coach. To brand someone as racist for something like this is wrong imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron78 Posted Tuesday at 22:29 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:29 1 hour ago, been here before said: Likewise... Agreed - people are so desperate to be seen to be morally and politically correct that they are the ones that cause the problems at times. Of course there are hugely offensive behaviours but there needs to be a balance and a genuine thought process rather than defaulting to hysterics... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smithee Posted Tuesday at 22:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:33 3 minutes ago, Aaron78 said: Agreed - people are so desperate to be seen to be morally and politically correct that they are the ones that cause the problems at times. Of course there are hugely offensive behaviours but there needs to be a balance and a genuine thought process rather than defaulting to hysterics... Saw him in Amsterdam, brilliant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Brown Posted Wednesday at 06:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:09 Well I am in the "come on, that's not racist" camp. But good old social media has firmly tagged the man with the racist tag for the rest of his days. Mildly offensive to the player involved. But let's play the Race Card and sack the honky. (sorry if I have offended anyone, not intended, was just my shit sarcastic black humour.) damn done it again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TypoonJambo Posted Wednesday at 07:27 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:27 No way is that racist. If he was offended then approaching the guy,informing him that it offended him should have been followed by an apology and a commitment to never doing so again and should suffice. In this modern world there's too many folk looking to be offended. So,whether you think their angst is correct or not,the fact that you've been made aware of the fact they find it offensive should make an apology in the first instance an acceptable end to it. Repeated or increased acts of the same nature should then be acted on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rave MacPherson Posted Wednesday at 07:43 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:43 12 hours ago, been here before said: "The player, Dutch winger Enzio Boldewijn, was on the pitch playing when Ross is alleged to have told shocked substitutes: “He reminds me of one of those African players who is older than he says he is.” Boldewijn was made aware of the comments by his angry dressing room colleagues after the match. The 28-year-old went immediately to captain Michael Doyle to make his feelings clear.". https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/notts-county-assistant-maurice-ross-24038835 Cheers, whichever report i read at first didn't mention it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shanks Posted Wednesday at 07:44 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:44 Shit like this takes away from actual racism. It’s an inappropriate comment but even then it’s pretty mild. Some people are walking around just desperate to be offended by something, hoping that they can be the next ‘victim’ and get attention. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DETTY29 Posted Wednesday at 07:57 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:57 (edited) Caucasians deciding what is deemed racist. Hetrosexuals deciding what is homophobic. Males deciding what is sexist. Seems a bit of a trend. (Could precursor even more with white, male....... Edited Wednesday at 07:58 by DETTY29 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sherbet Posted Wednesday at 08:07 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:07 1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said: Well I am in the "come on, that's not racist" camp. But good old social media has firmly tagged the man with the racist tag for the rest of his days. Mildly offensive to the player involved. But let's play the Race Card and sack the honky. (sorry if I have offended anyone, not intended, was just my shit sarcastic black humour.) damn done it again. black...humour of colour surely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cheetah Posted Wednesday at 08:12 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:12 He made fun of the guy based on his race so it is indeed racist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Brown Posted Wednesday at 08:23 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:23 15 minutes ago, Sherbet said: black...humour of colour surely steady!!! Alan Hansen got slaughtered for using coloured. It's so 80's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boris Posted Wednesday at 08:25 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:25 25 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: Caucasians deciding what is deemed racist. Hetrosexuals deciding what is homophobic. Males deciding what is sexist. Seems a bit of a trend. (Could precursor even more with white, male....... 10 minutes ago, cheetah said: He made fun of the guy based on his race so it is indeed racist. Two very good posts, imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
May one-six Posted Wednesday at 08:26 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:26 It's ironic how those who often accuse others of being 'easily offended snowflakes' start clutching their handbags and getting all outraged when they see an example of what they might dismissively call 'wokism in action'. The truth is that every case is different and it would be wrong to judge this incident and its outcome on a few lines in a news report. If Ross was sacked then his employers should have solid grounds for taking that action. If they didn't have those grounds then Ross should be pursuing a case of unfair dismissal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Burgundy Posted Wednesday at 08:26 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:26 13 minutes ago, cheetah said: He made fun of the guy based on his race so it is indeed racist. So if a coach stated a player was so white that he was invisible in the snow that would be racist? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boris Posted Wednesday at 08:27 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:27 Just now, Ron Burgundy said: So if a coach stated a player was so white that he was invisible in the snow that would be racist? If the coach wasn't white, then probably. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Burgundy Posted Wednesday at 08:29 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:29 1 minute ago, Boris said: If the coach wasn't white, then probably. Ok. I honestly don't understand it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cheetah Posted Wednesday at 08:32 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:32 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: So if a coach stated a player was so white that he was invisible in the snow that would be racist? Probably, depends on the coach's race. Edited Wednesday at 08:32 by cheetah Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Burgundy Posted Wednesday at 08:38 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:38 I'm not going to argue but to me that seems that something like humour can be deliberately hijacked. If someone is trying to be offensive then that should be called out but if someone is making a joke ( gingers , fatties and speccys will be rubbing their hands at the possible compo here) and quite obviously not trying to hurt or offend the other person then that's massively different. Simply being offended doesn't make you right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luckydug Posted Wednesday at 08:42 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:42 2 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: I'm not going to argue but to me that seems that something like humour can be deliberately hijacked. If someone is trying to be offensive then that should be called out but if someone is making a joke ( gingers , fatties and speccys will be rubbing their hands at the possible compo here) and quite obviously not trying to hurt or offend the other person then that's massively different. Simply being offended doesn't make you right. You forgot Baldies 😏 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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